I will translate it too you later this afternoon. Staša On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:20 PM, June Meyer via <[email protected]> wrote: > Rosina, I read through the document through Google Translate, and found it > was most readable. It sickens the stomach. Over 200,000 people slaughtered, > men, women and children. Hitler had a rival. Why was the world not > watching! These are the stories my mother told. My mother, born in Batscka > in 1905 hated the Serbs with a vengeance. There was no reconciliation for > her. It is a long article, but worth the time translating. > > June Meyer > > > On Nov 26, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Rosina via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hello Danube Swabian Researchers, > > > > Stasa Cvetkovic kindly sent me the article about discovery of the DS and > Hungarian mass-graves on the territory of Vojvodina, that includes parts of > Batchka and Banat: > http://www.pressonline.rs/info/drustvo/270482/komisija-do-sada-popisala-25000-zrtava-komunistickog-terora-44-45.html > . > > > > A must to read. Unfortunately I just can't find the time to translate it > for you now. We all know that in 1944 Tito ordered all those DS, that he > called "State Enemy" to be eliminated. > > > > On 18th of May 1945 another order was implemented that all those > unmarked graves are to stay a secret. > > > > Fortunately times changed. 60 years later, on 9th of July 2009 a > commission was formed, but only on 29th of April 2010 implemented to search > in the archives for documentation of those atrocities. They found them! > Behind the names of murdered women as a reason it was written: "spy or > prostitute". And behind the names of the children it was written > "sympathizing with the enemy." > > > > So far 25,000 names of the victims were found in the archives but the > search is still ongoing. > > > > > > Rosina T. Schmidt > > www.hrastovac.net > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Stasa Cvetkovic* *http://www.synergia.rs/ <http://www.synergia.rs/>* *Tel/fax: +381 21 553 265* *Mobile: +381 62 598 517* *Novi Sad, Serbia* *Visit our webpage <http://www.synergia.rs/>*

Rosina, I read through the document through Google Translate, and found it was most readable. It sickens the stomach. Over 200,000 people slaughtered, men, women and children. Hitler had a rival. Why was the world not watching! These are the stories my mother told. My mother, born in Batscka in 1905 hated the Serbs with a vengeance. There was no reconciliation for her. It is a long article, but worth the time translating. June Meyer On Nov 26, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Rosina via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Danube Swabian Researchers, > > Stasa Cvetkovic kindly sent me the article about discovery of the DS and Hungarian mass-graves on the territory of Vojvodina, that includes parts of Batchka and Banat: http://www.pressonline.rs/info/drustvo/270482/komisija-do-sada-popisala-25000-zrtava-komunistickog-terora-44-45.html. > > A must to read. Unfortunately I just can't find the time to translate it for you now. We all know that in 1944 Tito ordered all those DS, that he called "State Enemy" to be eliminated. > > On 18th of May 1945 another order was implemented that all those unmarked graves are to stay a secret. > > Fortunately times changed. 60 years later, on 9th of July 2009 a commission was formed, but only on 29th of April 2010 implemented to search in the archives for documentation of those atrocities. They found them! Behind the names of murdered women as a reason it was written: "spy or prostitute". And behind the names of the children it was written "sympathizing with the enemy." > > So far 25,000 names of the victims were found in the archives but the search is still ongoing. > > > Rosina T. Schmidt > www.hrastovac.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, The Baptism, Marriage and Death/Burial record images for the village of Hellburg (Schiria, Siria, Vilagos) have just been added to http://www.village-records.org <http://www.village-records.org/> Baptisms: 1879-1902 Marriages: 1952-1912 Deaths/Burials: 1819-1896 Happy researching! David Preston Banat List Administrator

Hello Danube Swabian Researchers, Stasa Cvetkovic kindly sent me the article about discovery of the DS and Hungarian mass-graves on the territory of Vojvodina, that includes parts of Batchka and Banat: http://www.pressonline.rs/info/drustvo/270482/komisija-do-sada-popisala-25000-zrtava-komunistickog-terora-44-45.html. A must to read. Unfortunately I just can't find the time to translate it for you now. We all know that in 1944 Tito ordered all those DS, that he called "State Enemy" to be eliminated. On 18th of May 1945 another order was implemented that all those unmarked graves are to stay a secret. Fortunately times changed. 60 years later, on 9th of July 2009 a commission was formed, but only on 29th of April 2010 implemented to search in the archives for documentation of those atrocities. They found them! Behind the names of murdered women as a reason it was written: "spy or prostitute". And behind the names of the children it was written "sympathizing with the enemy." So far 25,000 names of the victims were found in the archives but the search is still ongoing. Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net

Barbara Schnetter's parents are not given. The reason her birth is approximate is because she was not born there. -----Original Message----- From: John Niesz via <[email protected]> To: banat-l <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Nov 25, 2014 2:15 pm Subject: [BANAT-L] Request for Stader Sammelwerk Look-up Dear List Members, I would like to thank those members who responded to my recent request for a look-up in the Glogowatz Family Book for Peter Niess and Barbara Schnetter. They either provided corroborating information for what I had already developed from other sources or new information and possible areas to proceed in. This leads me to request a new look-up, from the Stefan Stader Sammelwerk Donauschwäbischer Kolonisten, Volumes V (M – O) and VII (Sche – Sz). I would greatly appreciate a look-up for the following (with names, dates, places of origin) : Barbara Schnetter, or her parents or grandparents, in Glogowatz circa 1772, Peter Niess, or his parents or grandparents, in Glogowatz circa 1769 – 1775 Anton Niess born about 1733, died 19 August 1786 Glogowatz Peter Niess born about 1740, died 26 May 1787 Glogowatz, married Magdalena No Name, born about 1746 Neupanat , died Glogowatz. One daughter: Anna Maria about 1765 - 1770. Other possible connections, arriving in the Banat according to Wilhelm and Kallbrunner: 23 September 1763 Johann Christian Niess - occupation: Schneider, from Sachsen, settled in St. Peter. (Could be either Deutsch St. Peter or Klein St. Peter) 24 April 1764 Johann Nisen, Wünchringen, aus dem Luxemburgischen (Winchringen, Kr. Saarburg), settled in Guttenbrunn and then Neudorf bei Lippa 10. May 1765 Johann Nisl, von Serch, aus dem Trierischen (Serrig, Kr. Saarburg), no information on settlement. Since there are numerous variants in the spelling of the Niess surname (e.g., Nis, Niss, Nies, Niess, Niesz, Nieß, Nisl, Niesl, Niesel, Nisen, Niessen), I would appreciate the Stader entries for any of these variants. (If it’s a long list – which is probably unlikely—maybe it can be scanned and sent to me off-list.) As I’ve seen with my previous look-up request, List members often go out of their way to help a fellow researcher. I do greatly appreciate everyone’s help. Thanks again in advance. Best Regards, John Niesz --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List Members, I would like to thank those members who responded to my recent request for a look-up in the Glogowatz Family Book for Peter Niess and Barbara Schnetter. They either provided corroborating information for what I had already developed from other sources or new information and possible areas to proceed in. This leads me to request a new look-up, from the Stefan Stader Sammelwerk Donauschwäbischer Kolonisten, Volumes V (M – O) and VII (Sche – Sz). I would greatly appreciate a look-up for the following (with names, dates, places of origin) : Barbara Schnetter, or her parents or grandparents, in Glogowatz circa 1772, Peter Niess, or his parents or grandparents, in Glogowatz circa 1769 – 1775 Anton Niess born about 1733, died 19 August 1786 Glogowatz Peter Niess born about 1740, died 26 May 1787 Glogowatz, married Magdalena No Name, born about 1746 Neupanat , died Glogowatz. One daughter: Anna Maria about 1765 - 1770. Other possible connections, arriving in the Banat according to Wilhelm and Kallbrunner: 23 September 1763 Johann Christian Niess - occupation: Schneider, from Sachsen, settled in St. Peter. (Could be either Deutsch St. Peter or Klein St. Peter) 24 April 1764 Johann Nisen, Wünchringen, aus dem Luxemburgischen (Winchringen, Kr. Saarburg), settled in Guttenbrunn and then Neudorf bei Lippa 10. May 1765 Johann Nisl, von Serch, aus dem Trierischen (Serrig, Kr. Saarburg), no information on settlement. Since there are numerous variants in the spelling of the Niess surname (e.g., Nis, Niss, Nies, Niess, Niesz, Nieß, Nisl, Niesl, Niesel, Nisen, Niessen), I would appreciate the Stader entries for any of these variants. (If it’s a long list – which is probably unlikely—maybe it can be scanned and sent to me off-list.) As I’ve seen with my previous look-up request, List members often go out of their way to help a fellow researcher. I do greatly appreciate everyone’s help. Thanks again in advance. Best Regards, John Niesz --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

>From Klek familienuebersichten are listed parents for Maria Pfendt 0277 Giljum,Josef, verm.Sv.* Klek 30.01.1907, Wo: Klek 58b oo Pfendt,Maria, Tv. Johann P.und Elisabeth Philipps( FB Lazarfeld T.2 1680/5 )* Lazarfeld 15.05.1911 1. Maria * Klek 02.04.1931 - Klek 12.04.1931, Tp: Josef Brem/Elisabeth Pfendt 2. Barbara * Klek 10.11.1932 + Klek 02.01.1933 - Klek 20.11.1932, Tp: Franz Pfendt/Barbara Brem 3. Josef * Klek 27.09.1934 - Klek 14.10.1934, Tp: Josef Brem/Rosalia Pfendt (Lorenz Lang S. 158) I'm not seeing the reference in my Lazerfeld books, but looked very quickly. Paul Quentin Clark On Monday, November 24, 2014 6:10 PM, ERDMAN via <[email protected]> wrote: Charles: I will e-mail you the information that I have. Shirley-ann Erdman -----Original Message----- From: Charles Smith via Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:46 PM To: BANAT Subject: [BANAT-L] Lazarfeld Familienbuch Lookup I would like to know if someone can do a lookup on the Lazarfeld Familienbuch Vol. 2 for the family of Josef Giljum, born 30.01.1907 in Klek, He married Maria Pfendt who was born 14.05.1911 in Lazarfeld. I will be very glad if you colud fin out who were their parents and when they got married. I'll be patiently waiting for your answer. Best Regards, Charles Smith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Members of my own family in O'Ker, Batscka also suffered this fate. Ripped from the only home they knew and loved for over two hundred years. Luckily, most were eventually admitted to the United States in the early 50's and made another life for themselves and their families. Today, they all prosper! I wish all my friends a most Happy Thanksgiving Day. June Meyer > I too remember that night when we were driven from our home - into the cold night and ended up in the air plane hangars at the edge of Karlsdorf in April of 1945. It's almost 70 years and I was only four years old, but it is still vivid in my memory, How blessed we the survivors and our families are, that we can celebrate Thanksgiving on Thursday the 27th. We have a lot to be thankful for. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you and your families. Elizabeth (Elsa) Walter, > > > On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:15 AM, Monica Ellis via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > My mother and her family are from Karlsdorf. My great grandparents perished in Rudolfsgnad. I have a book in German that lists town by town all the casualties in the area. And have heard all the horrors of how our people were treated. I am glad to have found this group as growing up no one outside our circle understood what happened. Many did not believe. Thank you for posting. Let us not forget. > Monica Heiberger Ellis > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:51 AM, kflotz via <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Today, November 25th, it is the 70th anniversary of the incarceration of all the townspeople in Gakowa, Yugoslavia. I can picture it clearly as we walked in the cold to the town hall to be told that we are prisoners, have been disowned of our property, our rights and our citizenship. Only by the grace of God am I still alive. >> Katherine Flotz >> "A Pebble in my Shoe" >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "donauschwaben-villages" <[email protected]> >> To: "donauschwaben-villages" <[email protected]>, "List, Banat" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:52:30 PM >> Subject: [DVHH] Rudolfsgnad >> >> I am looking for old pictures of the Teletschka outside of Rudolfsgnad that show images of the original mass grave. This is for an important research project. Thank you in advance for any assistance. Ich suche alte Bilder von des Teletschka außerhalb Rudolfsgnad, die Bilder der ursprünglichen Massengrab zu zeigen. Dies ist für ein wichtiges Forschungsprojekt. Vielen Dank im Voraus für jede Hilfe. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

June, On this page you will find recollection of those death camp experiences, like the two on Krndija: http://hrastovac.net/recollections/Recollections.htm Its wonderful that so many not only survived but succeeded greatly in their lives! That's Danube Swabian mentality for you; you just can't bring them under! Happy Thanksgiving to our American cousins! Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net On 11252014AD--, at 8:48 36000AM, June Meyer via wrote: > Members of my own family in O'Ker, Batscka also suffered this fate. Ripped from the only home they knew and loved for over two hundred years. Luckily, most were eventually admitted to the United States in the early 50's and made another life for themselves and their families. Today, they all prosper! > I wish all my friends a most Happy Thanksgiving Day. June Meyer > >> I too remember that night when we were driven from our home - into the cold night and ended up in the air plane hangars at the edge of Karlsdorf in April of 1945. It's almost 70 years and I was only four years old, but it is still vivid in my memory, How blessed we the survivors and our families are, that we can celebrate Thanksgiving on Thursday the 27th. We have a lot to be thankful for. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you and your families. Elizabeth (Elsa) Walter, >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:15 AM, Monica Ellis via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> My mother and her family are from Karlsdorf. My great grandparents perished in Rudolfsgnad. I have a book in German that lists town by town all the casualties in the area. And have heard all the horrors of how our people were treated. I am glad to have found this group as growing up no one outside our circle understood what happened. Many did not believe. Thank you for posting. Let us not forget. >> Monica Heiberger Ellis >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:51 AM, kflotz via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Today, November 25th, it is the 70th anniversary of the incarceration of all the townspeople in Gakowa, Yugoslavia. I can picture it clearly as we walked in the cold to the town hall to be told that we are prisoners, have been disowned of our property, our rights and our citizenship. Only by the grace of God am I still alive. >>> Katherine Flotz >>> "A Pebble in my Shoe" >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "donauschwaben-villages" <[email protected]> >>> To: "donauschwaben-villages" <[email protected]>, "List, Banat" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:52:30 PM >>> Subject: [DVHH] Rudolfsgnad >>> >>> I am looking for old pictures of the Teletschka outside of Rudolfsgnad that show images of the original mass grave. This is for an important research project. Thank you in advance for any assistance. Ich suche alte Bilder von des Teletschka außerhalb Rudolfsgnad, die Bilder der ursprünglichen Massengrab zu zeigen. Dies ist für ein wichtiges Forschungsprojekt. Vielen Dank im Voraus für jede Hilfe. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike, Here is a page with more information on ordering and contacting Marko if you have any questions: http://www.danube-swabians.org/MarkoCvejic.htm You wil see that Marko is offering a special “Christmas holidays price” for ordering both his DVD and the book. Cheers, David Preston Banat List Administrator > On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Mike Hess <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Marko. I look forward to reading this > > Mike Hess > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 25, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Mt Angel via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> From Marko Cvejic >> I'm writing you with the news about my work on the subject of Danube Swabians. This month we published second, upgraded edition of the book About Danube Swabians. There was a lot of interest in it, and I decided to make reprint of 600 copies. This time there are two new essays, and a foreword to the second edition, aswell as the new graphic and visuals. One essay is written by Vesna Pesic, famous Serbian sociologist and key figure in democratic changes in Serbia. She was speaking on the book promotion in Belgrade, on 12th of December 2012. Second text is written by Susanne Paulus, dramatist from Vienna. Her participation was very precious for me because she gave personal viewpoint as a member of Danube Swabian community. I wrote foreword to the second edition, from the distance and the experience of past two years. This time a book doesn't have DVD at the end, and it has soft cover. We decided this way because it will be cheaper, and it will be easier to carry it in the b! ag ! >> or in the pocket. First edition is more like "special limited edition", and this one is more like "user friendly edition". I'm preparing book promotion for the beginning of December, most probably again on the international day of human rights, on 12th of December. >> >> >> Please find attached information about the book, an extract of the second edition and few photos. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> Marko Cvejic >> >> -- >> Mandragora film >> +386 70 467426; +381 69 1391085 >> www.mandragorafilm.com <http://www.mandragorafilm.com/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From Marko Cvejic I'm writing you with the news about my work on the subject of Danube Swabians. This month we published second, upgraded edition of the book About Danube Swabians. There was a lot of interest in it, and I decided to make reprint of 600 copies. This time there are two new essays, and a foreword to the second edition, aswell as the new graphic and visuals. One essay is written by Vesna Pesic, famous Serbian sociologist and key figure in democratic changes in Serbia. She was speaking on the book promotion in Belgrade, on 12th of December 2012. Second text is written by Susanne Paulus, dramatist from Vienna. Her participation was very precious for me because she gave personal viewpoint as a member of Danube Swabian community. I wrote foreword to the second edition, from the distance and the experience of past two years. This time a book doesn't have DVD at the end, and it has soft cover. We decided this way because it will be cheaper, and it will be easier to carry it in the bag or in the pocket. First edition is more like "special limited edition", and this one is more like "user friendly edition". I'm preparing book promotion for the beginning of December, most probably again on the international day of human rights, on 12th of December. Please find attached information about the book, an extract of the second edition and few photos. Kind regards, Marko Cvejic -- Mandragora film +386 70 467426; +381 69 1391085 www.mandragorafilm.com <http://www.mandragorafilm.com/>

I would like to know if someone can do a lookup on the Lazarfeld Familienbuch Vol. 2 for the family of Josef Giljum, born 30.01.1907 in Klek, He married Maria Pfendt who was born 14.05.1911 in Lazarfeld. I will be very glad if you colud fin out who were their parents and when they got married. I'll be patiently waiting for your answer. Best Regards, Charles Smith

My mom is a Rudolfsgnad survivor. I will ask her what she knows about this. Mike Hess Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:52 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am looking for old pictures of the Teletschka outside of Rudolfsgnad that show images of the original mass grave. This is for an important research project. Thank you in advance for any assistance. Ich suche alte Bilder von des Teletschka außerhalb Rudolfsgnad, die Bilder der ursprünglichen Massengrab zu zeigen. Dies ist für ein wichtiges Forschungsprojekt. Vielen Dank im Voraus für jede Hilfe. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for old pictures of the Teletschka outside of Rudolfsgnad that show images of the original mass grave. This is for an important research project. Thank you in advance for any assistance. Ich suche alte Bilder von des Teletschka außerhalb Rudolfsgnad, die Bilder der ursprünglichen Massengrab zu zeigen. Dies ist für ein wichtiges Forschungsprojekt. Vielen Dank im Voraus für jede Hilfe.

Charles: I will e-mail you the information that I have. Shirley-ann Erdman -----Original Message----- From: Charles Smith via Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:46 PM To: BANAT Subject: [BANAT-L] Lazarfeld Familienbuch Lookup I would like to know if someone can do a lookup on the Lazarfeld Familienbuch Vol. 2 for the family of Josef Giljum, born 30.01.1907 in Klek, He married Maria Pfendt who was born 14.05.1911 in Lazarfeld. I will be very glad if you colud fin out who were their parents and when they got married. I'll be patiently waiting for your answer. Best Regards, Charles Smith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John -- I did a further look-up to see what else is available. I have the Wilhelm & Kalbrunner CD which list many people who registered in Vienna on their way to settle the Banat et al. Since you are working on such an early settler I took a look. Could not find an Anton or a Peter ... but when people came through, only one person in the party registered. Here is what I found: 23 September 1763 Johann Christian Niess - occupation: Schneider anges. in St. Peter ... I believe this means he was meant to be a settler in the village of St. Peter ... the only one I could find was Klein St. Peter ... perhaps someone else knows if I am reading this abbreviation correctly. Did not indicate where he was coming from. 11 October 1784 Johann Niess 8 persons in his paty out of Deutsch Lorraine 17 August 1786 Lucas Niess 5 persons in his party Schwaben -- this could mean Schwabia Your Peter Niess married in Glogowatz in 1796 with daughters Katharina b. 1796 Neupanat and Anna Maria b. 1797 Neupanat Hard to tell if your Peter was part of either of these groups. Next suggestion is to ask for a Stader Look-up .... Stader tended to give more information regarding early settlers and where they came from. Good luck. Susan > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:44:12 -0500 > Subject: [BANAT-L] Glogowatz Look-up Request > From: [email protected] > > Dear List Members, > > If anyone has access to the Glogowatz Family Books, I would greatly > appreciate a look-up of any pertinent information related to the following: > > Peter (or sometimes Pheder or Petrus) Niess (or sometimes Nis, Niss, Nisz, > Niesel, Nieß, or Niesz), > > Barbara Schnetter > > Elisabetha Erhardt > > Listed below is the information I’ve gleaned from the Neu Panat Church > books; digital copies of the original Church books for Neu Panat (as well as > several other Banat villages) are posted on the Village-Records Resources > website: http://www.village-records.org/ > > > > Since there seem to be some inconsistencies in birth dates for Peter Niess, > I would like to be able to resolve those inconsistencies with a specific > birth date. I would also like to know who his parents were and where they > came from. The same is true for Barbara Schnetter. I have noted that there > is a Michael Schnetter, listed in Glogowatz as being born in 1768, > presumably Barbara’s brother, but no information on parents, grandparents or > other ancestors. > > > > Any help anyone can offer will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for > taking the time to perform the look-up. > > > > Regards to all, > > John Niesz > > > > Niess, Petrus > > * 1775 in Glogowatz +1/21/1820 in Lippa > > I.oo 2/1/1796 in Glogowatz > > Schnetter, Barbara > > * 1772 in Glogowatz +5/6/1812 in Neu Panat > > Children: (all born in Neu Panat) > > Catharina, * Nov. 16, 1796 +Dec. > 22, 1796 > > Anna Maria *Nov. 11, 1797 > > Joannes *Dec. 15, 1799 > > Eva *Oct. 27, 1801 + Nov. 7, 1801 > > Petrus *Feb. 20, 1803 + Feb. 24, > 1803 > > Eva *Nov. 5, 1804 + Feb 11, 1805 > > Stephanus Martin *Dec. 26, 1805 > > Petrus *May 19, 1808 > > Anna Maria *Dec. 10, 1811 + Nov. 2, 1812 > > > > II.oo 1/12/1813 in Neu Panat > > Erhardt, Elisabetha, d. of Michael Erhardt and Regina Heschung > > *8/27/1795 in Glogowatz > > Children: > > Jakob * 12/15/1813 in Neu Panat > > Andreas * 3/9/1816 in Neu Panat > > Anna * 1819 in Lippa + > 2/7/1821 in Lippa > > > > > > Nissel, Johann, s. of Petrus Niess and Barbara Schnetter > > * 12/15/1799 in Neu Panat > > oo 11/5/1826 in Lippa > > Kleibner, Magdalena > > * abt.1805 > > Children: (all born in Lippa) > > Georg * 4/5/1833 > > Eva * 1/2/1829 – > > Eva * 2/20/1827 > + 4/28/1828 > > > > > > Nisz, Petrus, s. of Petrus Niess and Barbara Schnetter > > * 5/19/1808 in Neu Panat > > oo 1/31/1832 in Lippa > > Speckner, Elisabetha > > Children:-(born in Lippa) > > Petrus * 11/22/1833 > > Franz * 11/19/1832 > > > > > > Niess, Anna Maria, d. of Petrus Niess and Barbara Schnetter > > * 11/11/1797 in Neu Panat > > oo 1/29/1826 in Lippa > > Greidel, Franz > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John -- What George sent you about Peter Niess is exactly what is in the Familienbuch. When a birth date is listed as *errech ... this means the date of birth is usually derived from the age at the date of death. Glogowatz books only started in the 1770's ... There are two earlier entries for the Niess surname ... neither gives a place of origin. One entry: Anton Niess b. errech 1733 d. 19 August 1786 Glogowatz Second entry: Peter Niess b. errech 1747 d. 26 May 1787 Glogowatz married Magdalena NoName b. errech 1746 Neupanat d. Glogowatz One daughter: Anna Maria b. errech 1770 d. 16 September 1765 Glogowatz. I know how disappointing it can be when you hit this kind of "brick wall" .. I just wanted you to know that George gave you all the information that is available. Susan > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:44:12 -0500 > Subject: [BANAT-L] Glogowatz Look-up Request > From: [email protected] > > Dear List Members, > > If anyone has access to the Glogowatz Family Books, I would greatly > appreciate a look-up of any pertinent information related to the following: > > Peter (or sometimes Pheder or Petrus) Niess (or sometimes Nis, Niss, Nisz, > Niesel, Nieß, or Niesz), > > Barbara Schnetter > > Elisabetha Erhardt > > Listed below is the information I’ve gleaned from the Neu Panat Church > books; digital copies of the original Church books for Neu Panat (as well as > several other Banat villages) are posted on the Village-Records Resources > website: http://www.village-records.org/ > > > > Since there seem to be some inconsistencies in birth dates for Peter Niess, > I would like to be able to resolve those inconsistencies with a specific > birth date. I would also like to know who his parents were and where they > came from. The same is true for Barbara Schnetter. I have noted that there > is a Michael Schnetter, listed in Glogowatz as being born in 1768, > presumably Barbara’s brother, but no information on parents, grandparents or > other ancestors. > > > > Any help anyone can offer will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for > taking the time to perform the look-up. > > > > Regards to all, > > John Niesz > > > > Niess, Petrus > > * 1775 in Glogowatz +1/21/1820 in Lippa > > I.oo 2/1/1796 in Glogowatz > > Schnetter, Barbara > > * 1772 in Glogowatz +5/6/1812 in Neu Panat > > Children: (all born in Neu Panat) > > Catharina, * Nov. 16, 1796 +Dec. > 22, 1796 > > Anna Maria *Nov. 11, 1797 > > Joannes *Dec. 15, 1799 > > Eva *Oct. 27, 1801 + Nov. 7, 1801 > > Petrus *Feb. 20, 1803 + Feb. 24, > 1803 > > Eva *Nov. 5, 1804 + Feb 11, 1805 > > Stephanus Martin *Dec. 26, 1805 > > Petrus *May 19, 1808 > > Anna Maria *Dec. 10, 1811 + Nov. 2, 1812 > > > > II.oo 1/12/1813 in Neu Panat > > Erhardt, Elisabetha, d. of Michael Erhardt and Regina Heschung > > *8/27/1795 in Glogowatz > > Children: > > Jakob * 12/15/1813 in Neu Panat > > Andreas * 3/9/1816 in Neu Panat > > Anna * 1819 in Lippa + > 2/7/1821 in Lippa > > > > > > Nissel, Johann, s. of Petrus Niess and Barbara Schnetter > > * 12/15/1799 in Neu Panat > > oo 11/5/1826 in Lippa > > Kleibner, Magdalena > > * abt.1805 > > Children: (all born in Lippa) > > Georg * 4/5/1833 > > Eva * 1/2/1829 – > > Eva * 2/20/1827 > + 4/28/1828 > > > > > > Nisz, Petrus, s. of Petrus Niess and Barbara Schnetter > > * 5/19/1808 in Neu Panat > > oo 1/31/1832 in Lippa > > Speckner, Elisabetha > > Children:-(born in Lippa) > > Petrus * 11/22/1833 > > Franz * 11/19/1832 > > > > > > Niess, Anna Maria, d. of Petrus Niess and Barbara Schnetter > > * 11/11/1797 in Neu Panat > > oo 1/29/1826 in Lippa > > Greidel, Franz > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear researchers, does anyone have the Nakodorf (Sellesch) family book from Mr. Horn published in 2004? I need a lookup of the Düpong entries. Variants are Dippong, Dipong, Typong, Dupont. Thank you very much! -- Reinhold Benedik Kolpingstr. 2 D-72250 Freudenstadt

Dear Reinhold, Here is a list of the DIPPONG entries in Nakodorf. I will send all the info for these entries to you privately, off-list. Best regards, —Karen Namensregister Dippong Dippong Anna * er.1887 2948 <file:///Documents/Oracle/Nakodorf/Nakodorf/FAM2948.HTM> Dippong Johann * er.1850 Bikatsch 840 <file:///Documents/Oracle/Nakodorf/Nakodorf/FAM840.HTM> Dippong Johann * er.1913 Kikinda 842 <file:///Documents/Oracle/Nakodorf/Nakodorf/FAM842.HTM> Dippong Nikolaus * er.1883 Kikinda 840 <file:///Documents/Oracle/Nakodorf/Nakodorf/FAM840.HTM> Dippong Oskar * 25.11.1944 Kikinda 842 <file:///Documents/Oracle/Nakodorf/Nakodorf/FAM842.HTM> Dippong Peter * 27.10.1912 Sankt Hubert 841 <file:///Documents/Oracle/Nakodorf/Nakodorf/FAM841.HTM> > On Nov 23, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Reinhold Benedik via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear researchers, > > does anyone have the Nakodorf (Sellesch) family book from Mr. Horn > published in 2004? I need a lookup of the Düpong entries. Variants are > Dippong, Dipong, Typong, Dupont. > > Thank you very much! > > -- > Reinhold Benedik > Kolpingstr. 2 > D-72250 Freudenstadt > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ptr Niess * ~ 1775; + 21 Jan 1820 Lippa; oo Barb Schnetter 1 Feb 1796 Ggw (* ~ 1772; + 6 May 1812 Npn) oo Elis Erhard 12 Feb 1813 Npn (*27 Feb 1795 Ggw; + ?) George -----Original Message----- From: John Niesz via <[email protected]> To: banat-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Nov 22, 2014 8:52 pm Subject: [BANAT-L] Glogowatz Look-up Request Dear List Members, If anyone has access to the Glogowatz Family Books, I would greatly appreciate a look-up of any pertinent information related to the following: Peter (or sometimes Pheder or Petrus) Niess (or sometimes Nis, Niss, Nisz, Niesel, Nieß, or Niesz), Barbara Schnetter Elisabetha Erhardt Listed below is the information I’ve gleaned from the Neu Panat Church books; digital copies of the original Church books for Neu Panat (as well as several other Banat villages) are posted on the Village-Records Resources website: http://www.village-records.org/ Since there seem to be some inconsistencies in birth dates for Peter Niess, I would like to be able to resolve those inconsistencies with a specific birth date. I would also like to know who his parents were and where they came from. The same is true for Barbara Schnetter. I have noted that there is a Michael Schnetter, listed in Glogowatz as being born in 1768, presumably Barbara’s brother, but no information on parents, grandparents or other ancestors. Any help anyone can offer will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for taking the time to perform the look-up. Regards to all, John Niesz Niess, Petrus * 1775 in Glogowatz +1/21/1820 in Lippa I.oo 2/1/1796 in Glogowatz Schnetter, Barbara * 1772 in Glogowatz +5/6/1812 in Neu Panat Children: (all born in Neu Panat) Catharina, * Nov. 16, 1796 +Dec. 22, 1796 Anna Maria *Nov. 11, 1797 Joannes *Dec. 15, 1799 Eva *Oct. 27, 1801 + Nov. 7, 1801 Petrus *Feb. 20, 1803 + Feb. 24, 1803 Eva *Nov. 5, 1804 + Feb 11, 1805 Stephanus Martin *Dec. 26, 1805 Petrus *May 19, 1808 Anna Maria *Dec. 10, 1811 + Nov. 2, 1812 II.oo 1/12/1813 in Neu Panat Erhardt, Elisabetha, d. of Michael Erhardt and Regina Heschung *8/27/1795 in Glogowatz Children: Jakob * 12/15/1813 in Neu Panat Andreas * 3/9/1816 in Neu Panat Anna * 1819 in Lippa + 2/7/1821 in Lippa Nissel, Johann, s. of Petrus Niess and Barbara Schnetter * 12/15/1799 in Neu Panat oo 11/5/1826 in Lippa Kleibner, Magdalena * abt.1805 Children: (all born in Lippa) Georg * 4/5/1833 Eva * 1/2/1829 – Eva * 2/20/1827 + 4/28/1828 Nisz, Petrus, s. of Petrus Niess and Barbara Schnetter * 5/19/1808 in Neu Panat oo 1/31/1832 in Lippa Speckner, Elisabetha Children:-(born in Lippa) Petrus * 11/22/1833 Franz * 11/19/1832 Niess, Anna Maria, d. of Petrus Niess and Barbara Schnetter * 11/11/1797 in Neu Panat oo 1/29/1826 in Lippa Greidel, Franz --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message