Hi.Carol there is an Immigraton Record for Eva KARL B-1863 came thru.Ellisisland in 1909 on the Manifest was a LEBER and a ZENSER . Don""t know if you have this. Bye George Adam(s)

I found this on facebook.  It is all about the Banat.  The photos are interesting.  They include Kikinda as well as other places.  There are also photos of clothing and embroidery.  If you speak the language, it will be even more meaningful.  It has over 1000 members. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10315399953&ref=search&sid=1025779885.239887803..1#/group.php?gid=10315399953&v=info This group is smaller.  It is about geography of Banat http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=245254880446&v=info&ref=search

Congratulations to our German friends, co-workers and relatives on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Wall and the reunification of Germany. Dave Dreyer

I haven't looked at the church books from Sannicolau-Mare, but others in my family have. I have record of one KARL: Eva KARL who married Anton HOLCZ/HOLZ, but no dates. To give you a timeframe, we know of one son, Anton HOLCZ/HOLZ born 18 Apr 1893, in GrossSanktNikolaus. He married Elisabeta LEBER in GrossSanktNikolaus 18 Feb 1919. Carol LEBER DREIER Descendant of Banaters: Leber, Roosz/Roos, Czenser, Jagdenteufel Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 303 > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:00:47 -0600 > From: VW <mail2vw@gmail.com> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Sannicolau Mare-Karl family > To: BANAT@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <627804d0911022100x4933e522ub459b72f6e0ce920@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Has anyone looked at the Catholic churchbooks from this town in Romania? I > am going to order the films from the Mormons and am looking for the Karl > family. Was wondering if anyone here has Karls in their line from this > town. > vera > > > ------------------------------

Hello, In the Darowa family book you find members of the Pap family who were originally from Sin. You also find the surname Papai. Giseladorf and Darowa are not far from each other, and I know that some of my own ancestors moved from Darowa to Giseladorf.  If you eventually find a link to the Pap family of Darowa, I would be happy to send you the information in the Darowa book. Cathy Teufel O'Neill

Hi,      The World Vital Records database has some of the Connor census information online for members.  Here is a link that shows which records are available at this point: http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/contentsearch.aspx?sb=c&p=Hungary                                                       If you are not a member, you still can enter your surnames to see if you get any hits.   Cathy Teufel O'Neill                        

Hi Tamas, i am also researching in the former banat area, especially now serbian territory. I have only little experience but i had already success in ordering single records concerning relatives. But it's really hard to get these informations. There is often also a problem with using english to communicate. Additional to my research with these rare church book records i am now trying to get data from census records about 1900 and before. Do you or someone other on the forum know something about such census records and how to access these data? I am especially interested in records from St. Georgen (Begaszentgyörgi) at the moment. Next year i will travel to serbia and try my best. Best regards Reinhold Tamas Cserfalvi schrieb: > What Terry Corbet observed in the census original forms is very interesting for us here in Hungary. I am especially curious what is the LC coding in that papers? > > > > The date has a deeper meaning in Central Europe than an average year does: > > 1920 is a very painful year for all Hungarians due to the Peace Dictate of WWI which was cutting 30-40% of Hungarians from their homeland either to the newborn countries around like Chekoslovakia, Yugoslavia or to the inflated Romania and Ukrain... > > Since that year strong processes have been going in those territories to clear the Hungarians (and the Germans too!) both from the history of that lands and from the living population. Common experience of the family searchers operating in this Carpathian Basin (the historical Hungarian Kingdom between 1000 - 1920) that the widely accepted microfilming conservation of the church records, which is offered -free of fee- by the Mormons (LDS), was and is equally rejected by the ruling authorities in Romania, Yugoslavia, Chekoslovakia and Ukrain! Tracing family lines back in the centuries is basically blocked by this negative action for the German and Hungarian researchers. A further step on this bad route was the locally(?) organized destroying of many original rom.cath. curch records during and after the WWII in some places, especially in Yugoslavia! > > For example you should remember the travel report by a German student in Temesvár few years ago (posted to this BANAT-L forum too!!!!) when he observed that 250 years documents from the Theresian times were used for wrapping sausages on the market. > > Later even the rom. cath. church buildings were removed (1950-1960) in many places in the former Hungarian Territories (Banat and Bacska).... You should know that the Serbians and Romanians are Greek Orthodox and the Russins in the historical Karpatalja region (now West Ukrain: the Transcarpatian Land) are Greek Catholic. > > I think it is enough for the first glance on the case. > > Tamas Cserfalvi > Budapest > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Reinhold Benedik Kolpingstr. 2 72250 Freudenstadt Tel 07441 88117 Fax 07441 88118 Mobil 0173 3010192

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Reinhold; The 1828 census of the Civil Banat is widely available in book form from Margaret Conner. The original census is available on microfilm from the FHL in Salt Lake. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reinhold Benedik" <Reinhold.Benedik@t-online.de> To: <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fw: 1920 Census Mother Tongue Hi Tamas, i am also researching in the former banat area, especially now serbian territory. I have only little experience but i had already success in ordering single records concerning relatives. But it's really hard to get these informations. There is often also a problem with using english to communicate. Additional to my research with these rare church book records i am now trying to get data from census records about 1900 and before. Do you or someone other on the forum know something about such census records and how to access these data? I am especially interested in records from St. Georgen (Begaszentgyörgi) at the moment. Next year i will travel to serbia and try my best. Best regards Reinhold Tamas Cserfalvi schrieb: > What Terry Corbet observed in the census original forms is very > interesting for us here in Hungary. I am especially curious what is the LC > coding in that papers? > > > > The date has a deeper meaning in Central Europe than an average year does: > > 1920 is a very painful year for all Hungarians due to the Peace Dictate of > WWI which was cutting 30-40% of Hungarians from their homeland either to > the newborn countries around like Chekoslovakia, Yugoslavia or to the > inflated Romania and Ukrain... > > Since that year strong processes have been going in those territories to > clear the Hungarians (and the Germans too!) both from the history of that > lands and from the living population. Common experience of the family > searchers operating in this Carpathian Basin (the historical Hungarian > Kingdom between 1000 - 1920) that the widely accepted microfilming > conservation of the church records, which is offered -free of fee- by the > Mormons (LDS), was and is equally rejected by the ruling authorities in > Romania, Yugoslavia, Chekoslovakia and Ukrain! Tracing family lines back > in the centuries is basically blocked by this negative action for the > German and Hungarian researchers. A further step on this bad route was > the locally(?) organized destroying of many original rom.cath. curch > records during and after the WWII in some places, especially in > Yugoslavia! > > For example you should remember the travel report by a German student in > Temesvár few years ago (posted to this BANAT-L forum too!!!!) when he > observed that 250 years documents from the Theresian times were used for > wrapping sausages on the market. > > Later even the rom. cath. church buildings were removed (1950-1960) in > many places in the former Hungarian Territories (Banat and Bacska).... You > should know that the Serbians and Romanians are Greek Orthodox and the > Russins in the historical Karpatalja region (now West Ukrain: the > Transcarpatian Land) are Greek Catholic. > > I think it is enough for the first glance on the case. > > Tamas Cserfalvi > Budapest > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Reinhold Benedik Kolpingstr. 2 72250 Freudenstadt Tel 07441 88117 Fax 07441 88118 Mobil 0173 3010192 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, At the following site, another person makes reference to the LC census abbreviation. http://genealogygems.tv/Pages/Newsletter/July.htm The author notes that "In 1920 there was a definite emphasis placed on clarifying nativity (where a person was born) and mother tongue (the language of customary speech before coming to the U. S.) " This person believes that LC stands for "Language of Customary." I hope this helps. Sincerely, Cathy Teufel O'Neill

What  Terry Corbet  observed in the census original forms is very interesting for us here in Hungary. I am especially curious what is the LC  coding in that papers? The date has a deeper meaning in Central Europe than an average year does: 1920 is a very painful year for all Hungarians due to the Peace Dictate of WWI which was cutting 30-40% of Hungarians from their homeland  either to the newborn countries around like Chekoslovakia, Yugoslavia or to the inflated Romania and Ukrain... Since that year strong processes have been going in those territories to clear the Hungarians (and the Germans too!) both from the history of that lands and from the living population. Common experience of the family searchers operating in this Carpathian Basin (the historical Hungarian Kingdom between 1000 - 1920) that the  widely accepted microfilming conservation of the church records, which is offered -free of fee- by the Mormons (LDS), was and is  equally rejected by the ruling authorities in Romania, Yugoslavia, Chekoslovakia and Ukrain!   Tracing family lines back in the centuries is basically blocked by this negative action for the German and Hungarian researchers. A  further step on this bad route was the locally(?) organized destroying of many original rom.cath. curch records during and after the WWII in some places, especially in Yugoslavia!  For example you should  remember the travel report by a German student in Temesvár few years ago (posted to this BANAT-L  forum too!!!!) when he observed that 250 years documents from the Theresian times were used for wrapping sausages on the market.   Later even the rom. cath. church buildings were removed (1950-1960) in many places in the former Hungarian Territories (Banat and Bacska).... You should know that the Serbians and Romanians are Greek Orthodox  and the Russins in the historical Karpatalja region (now West Ukrain:   the Transcarpatian Land) are Greek Catholic.      I think it is enough for the first glance on the case. Tamas Cserfalvi Budapest

It has been several years since I was on the Banat list. I am back to working on my family and believe I have found at least shirt tail connections if not blood relations in many of the other immigrants from Pankota to Oregon. Would enjoy sharing information with others who are interested in the Pankota immigrants. Descendant of Anton PFAU and his mother Mary SCHMIDT PFAU HACK WOELKE with blood relations to DITCHEN, HAUPTMAN, REZNICSEK, SCHMIDT and probably to a few others with a bit more research. Also descend from Eva PLENNERT of Ujpanat (Neupanat) in the Banat. Her parents were Christian PLENNERT & Julianna SCHMIDT PLENNERT BECKER. Eva's grandparents were Andreas SCHMIDT and Katherina NOZAK (married in Neupanat) and Ignatz PLENNERT & Eva LEPTICH. Eva's aunt was Elizabeth SCHMIDT FREISINGER, also an immigrant to Oregon Denise of Oregon A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists The web page I made for my parents is at: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/

Look for Pape or alternate spelling Babe in Hatzfeld for a possible link to Franz or his father Mathias Pape.    Susan Clarkson. --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> wrote: From: Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Subject: [BANAT-L] Pape in Giseladorf To: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:40 PM Bobby; There is a family book for Giseladorf which is out of print but still available on a CD. There were a bunch of Papes in Giseladorf most of which came from Tschestereg.  Anyone born before 1882 had to come from another locality since Giseladorf was founded in 1882. The book gives(if I have the right guy); Pape Franz, son of Mathias Pape and Barbara Jung *1860 Tschestereg oo 6 Feb 1887 Giseladorf Molling Barbara *1859 Barbara               *28 Dec 1887 Giseladorf    Barbara Molling was also married to Johann Schmidt but I don't know if it was a first or a second marriage. The Giseladorf family book leaves a lot to be desired. Josef Michels is working on a new edition of the Giseladorf family book which will overcome these shortcomings.  Further, Roswith Egert is working on a family book for Tschestereg which should have details on the parents of Franz Pape.  Since Tschestereg is a daughter village the Papes had to come from another (Banat)locality.    Dave Dreyer              ----- Original Message -----   From: Barbara Hubert-Nelson   To: ddreyer@pacbell.net   Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:35 AM   Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat   This has been interesting to follow. I was told by my mother.s cousin that my mother,s paternal ancestors came from Alsace. I do not know that for a fact. I am new to this site and have much to learn. His name was Franz Pape and was born in Gisella Falva so I am told. again, no documentation. I do believe that his parents lived in Gisella Falva and if so that is where he was born.   BOBBY NELSON   > From: ddreyer@pacbell.net   > To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com   > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:11:16 -0800   > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat   >   > K;   > Some travelers likely went the way you suggest however the overland portion   > of the trip was over considerable rougher country. Similar comments apply   > to travel from Alsace around Strassburg to head of navagation on the Danube   > at Ulm which would require travel through an area of the Black Forest   > involving many up and down grades. Nevertheless, those from Alsace would   > have had fewer options. For those on foot this may have been of lesser   > consequence but for those traveling by wagon it would have been an important   > consideration.   > Dave Dreyer   >   > ----- Original Message -----   > From: "K" <hobee@rogers.com>   > To: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>   > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:39 AM   > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat   >   >   > > Is it also possible that once the ancestors traveled up the Rein they also   > > could have continued to Mannheim and used the Necker river to Tubingen,   > > then overland to Ulm. This seems a shorter route but shore travel may be   > > more difficult.   > >   >   >   >   > -------------------------------   > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bobby; There is a family book for Giseladorf which is out of print but still available on a CD. There were a bunch of Papes in Giseladorf most of which came from Tschestereg. Anyone born before 1882 had to come from another locality since Giseladorf was founded in 1882. The book gives(if I have the right guy); Pape Franz, son of Mathias Pape and Barbara Jung *1860 Tschestereg oo 6 Feb 1887 Giseladorf Molling Barbara *1859 Barbara *28 Dec 1887 Giseladorf Barbara Molling was also married to Johann Schmidt but I don't know if it was a first or a second marriage. The Giseladorf family book leaves a lot to be desired. Josef Michels is working on a new edition of the Giseladorf family book which will overcome these shortcomings. Further, Roswith Egert is working on a family book for Tschestereg which should have details on the parents of Franz Pape. Since Tschestereg is a daughter village the Papes had to come from another (Banat)locality. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Hubert-Nelson To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat This has been interesting to follow. I was told by my mother.s cousin that my mother,s paternal ancestors came from Alsace. I do not know that for a fact. I am new to this site and have much to learn. His name was Franz Pape and was born in Gisella Falva so I am told. again, no documentation. I do believe that his parents lived in Gisella Falva and if so that is where he was born. BOBBY NELSON > From: ddreyer@pacbell.net > To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:11:16 -0800 > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat > > K; > Some travelers likely went the way you suggest however the overland portion > of the trip was over considerable rougher country. Similar comments apply > to travel from Alsace around Strassburg to head of navagation on the Danube > at Ulm which would require travel through an area of the Black Forest > involving many up and down grades. Nevertheless, those from Alsace would > have had fewer options. For those on foot this may have been of lesser > consequence but for those traveling by wagon it would have been an important > consideration. > Dave Dreyer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K" <hobee@rogers.com> > To: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:39 AM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat > > > > Is it also possible that once the ancestors traveled up the Rein they also > > could have continued to Mannheim and used the Necker river to Tubingen, > > then overland to Ulm. This seems a shorter route but shore travel may be > > more difficult. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Terry, if your question is, "what's the meaning of the abbreviation LC?" then I would also love to know the answer. -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Corbet Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 4:19 PM To: Banat-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Fw: 1920 Census Mother Tongue I am accustomed to all sorts of ambiguous statements on passenger lists and census reports which asked the question of my Banaters "Where was your place of birth?", or "Where was your last residence?", but this one is a bit different and I could use some help. On the 1920 census my grandparents were asked for the Native Tongue of: a. themselves, b. their father, and c. their mother. It looks like either my grandfather or my grandmother, or perhaps the poor census taker, was about drained for the day -- They wrote Hungaria or Hungarian into the grid about thirty places. But, before the report was finalized, someone patiently crossed out the Mother Tongue entries and wrote the big black capital letters "LC". Scanning forwards and backwards for a couple of pages, it looks like 'ex post facto' some statistician belatedly got involved and recognized that no one would be able to analyze the mishmash of entries, so they were codified in some manner. You can see GER and CZECH over-writes of the same nature, but I did not find and other LC codes. I hope someone here will tell me what tongue someone believed came out of such well-known villages as Szakalhasa and Pardany -- or at least what the 1920 version of the history was intending to convey. Thank you, Terry Corbet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am accustomed to all sorts of ambiguous statements on passenger lists and census reports which asked the question of my Banaters "Where was your place of birth?", or "Where was your last residence?", but this one is a bit different and I could use some help. On the 1920 census my grandparents were asked for the Native Tongue of: a. themselves, b. their father, and c. their mother. It looks like either my grandfather or my grandmother, or perhaps the poor census taker, was about drained for the day -- They wrote Hungaria or Hungarian into the grid about thirty places. But, before the report was finalized, someone patiently crossed out the Mother Tongue entries and wrote the big black capital letters "LC". Scanning forwards and backwards for a couple of pages, it looks like 'ex post facto' some statistician belatedly got involved and recognized that no one would be able to analyze the mishmash of entries, so they were codified in some manner. You can see GER and CZECH over-writes of the same nature, but I did not find and other LC codes. I hope someone here will tell me what tongue someone believed came out of such well-known villages as Szakalhasa and Pardany -- or at least what the 1920 version of the history was intending to convey. Thank you, Terry Corbet

K; Some travelers likely went the way you suggest however the overland portion of the trip was over considerable rougher country. Similar comments apply to travel from Alsace around Strassburg to head of navagation on the Danube at Ulm which would require travel through an area of the Black Forest involving many up and down grades. Nevertheless, those from Alsace would have had fewer options. For those on foot this may have been of lesser consequence but for those traveling by wagon it would have been an important consideration. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "K" <hobee@rogers.com> To: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat > Is it also possible that once the ancestors traveled up the Rein they also > could have continued to Mannheim and used the Necker river to Tubingen, > then overland to Ulm. This seems a shorter route but shore travel may be > more difficult. >

Thank you, Dave, For this interesting travel route description. Most likely one can retrace this traveling route by river and inland canals today also, alas minutes the tows by horses. Rosina www.hrastovac.net > Brenda; > For the most part those traveling to Southeastern Europe from Luxemburg, > Lorraine and the area of present day Saarland took a boat down the Mosel > to > Koblenz. For this leg they were traveling with the current. From Koblenz > they had to travel against the current up the Rhein until they reached the > juncture with the Main. There they traveled upstream on the Main until > about Wuerzburg. They then traveled overland south to Ulm or even a bit > closer to Guenzburg on the Danube. The route once they entered the Main > was > against the current so that the boat had to be pulled by horses from a tow > path which parralled the river. > The overland route from Wuerzburg to the Danube was either by foot or if > well off by wagon. > Dave Dreyer

Hallo Betty hier liegt der der Fehler: c = k kontakt@cardamina.de Gruß Liane (Falzboden) -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von BWagner Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. November 2009 23:30 An: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: [BANAT-L] [Fwd: Marienfeld/Banat Familienbuch] I have tried to send email to kontact@cardamina.de. It does not seem to be a valid email address. Thanks Betty Wagner -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [BANAT-L] Marienfeld/Banat Familienbuch Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:18:51 -0800 From: Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Banat List <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> CC: BroderickTL@familysearch.org Willi Krisch has now published his Marienfeld family book 1769-1991. The book includes the Filialen Albrechtsflor and Mokrin 1770-1783, Nero 1770-1806 and 1819-1837 Triebswetter 1771-1773, Gr Komosch and Nakodorf 1790-1792. The work, in two volumes, has 1780 pages and is priced at 80 Euro plus postage. Copies must be ordered directly from the publisher. Cardamina-Verlag Willibrordstr 11a 56637 Plaidt Germany kontact@cardamina.de Dave Dreyer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brenda; For the most part those traveling to Southeastern Europe from Luxemburg, Lorraine and the area of present day Saarland took a boat down the Mosel to Koblenz. For this leg they were traveling with the current. From Koblenz they had to travel against the current up the Rhein until they reached the juncture with the Main. There they traveled upstream on the Main until about Wuerzburg. They then traveled overland south to Ulm or even a bit closer to Guenzburg on the Danube. The route once they entered the Main was against the current so that the boat had to be pulled by horses from a tow path which parralled the river. The overland route from Wuerzburg to the Danube was either by foot or if well off by wagon. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Linkeman" <blink@fidnet.com> To: "AMANN Charles" <amann.charles@wanadoo.fr>; "Reinhold Benedik" <Reinhold.Benedik@t-online.de>; "Norman Ernst" <schnitzellover@yahoo.com> Cc: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat >I have the ancestors Purger from Lotharingia (Lorraine?), Scharnell from > Alsace/Lorraine, and Riser from Luxemburg who travelled to Tschanad to > live. > The route they took is also of interest to me. > Brenda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AMANN Charles" <amann.charles@wanadoo.fr> > To: "Reinhold Benedik" <Reinhold.Benedik@t-online.de>; "Norman Ernst" > <schnitzellover@yahoo.com> > Cc: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat > > >> hi >> from the Moselle area, the road was >> >> Sarreguemines, Phillipsbourg and to Ulm to ake a boat to Wien >> >> Charles >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Reinhold Benedik" <Reinhold.Benedik@t-online.de> >> To: "Norman Ernst" <schnitzellover@yahoo.com> >> Cc: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat >> >> >>> >>> Hi Norman, >>> >>> my ancestors are also from Alsace Lorraine and the area around South >>> Belgium, province Luxemburg and the french Ardennes. I am also >>> interested to know these routes. As far as i know the stations on the >>> river Donau are known in general, also the proceeding when the settlers >>> arrived at Vienna. Less known or unknown are the routes and procedures >>> from the settlers origin up to the places of embarkation. For better >>> tracing back the settlers it would be very helpfull to know these >>> details. Same problem with the settlers final destination after >>> registration at Vienna. If someone knows details or literature >>> concerning these questions please publish this knowledge for us. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Reinhold Benedik >>> >>> Norman Ernst schrieb: >>>> Dear listers, >>>> >>>> Several of you, like myself, have ancestors who migrated to Hungary >>>> from the Alsace/Lorraine area. What I would like to find out is if >>>> anyone knows what route they took to get to the Banat and other areas >>>> of >>>> settlement in the kingdom of Hungary during the 18th century? Thank >>>> you >>>> for your help. >>>> >>>> Norm Ernst >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Reinhold Benedik >>> Kolpingstr. 2 >>> >>> 72250 Freudenstadt >>> >>> Tel 07441 88117 >>> Fax 07441 88118 >>> >>> Mobil 0173 3010192 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >