I am trying to help someone find their family. Listed below is the pertinent information I have found. I would appreciate any help anyone can give. Katalin Roszler , age 33 (maiden name was Urich) (probably born in 1869) (with children Valentin and Istvan) arrived 21 May, 1906 on the Pannonia from Fiume to Ellis Island. Joined husband, Ignatz Roszler in Steelton, PA (couldn't find immigration record of Ignatz Roszler). Josef Roszler, age 30 (probably born in 1883) arrived 30 Sep, 1912 on the Lapland from Antwerp to Ellis Island. Came with wife Anna, age 28. Pretty sure Josef is the brother of Ignatz Roszler. Josef is living with Katalin Roszler (listed as brother-in-law) in the 1920 census, likely soon after the death of Ignatz. In 1930 census, he is listed as Joseph Roessler. I believe this immigration record says that Josef's mother was Anna Roszler, destined for Cincinnati, OH. Josef gives last residence as Versecs, Hungary, which could be the one in the Banat. Josef gave home of mother as O. Moldove or something similar. Katalin gave last place of residence also as O. Moldove. I don't think this was Moldavia, as Josef gave his home as Hungary. Also, in some census records, the mother tongue was given as German. Thank you, Willy Istvan
Betty, I have looked up Kotzian in the following villages but found no Valentin. Lenauheim, Alexanderhausen, Klein Betschkerek . Also there are Kotzian from these other villages but I cannot look up. Johannisfeld, Bogarosch, and Gross Kikinda. There seems to be a lot of them from Bogarosch, so if you can find someone with this book you might find him. Good luck, Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Mauro<mailto:fmauro@webtv.net> To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Kotzian I am trying to locate the name of the town for a Valentin Kotzian. He was born about 1843??? This is all the information I have on him. I would appreciate anyone with a family book. PLEASE do a look up for me. Thank you in advance. Betty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Weitergeleitet von Nikolaus Horn <nikhorn@gmx.de> Verehrte Listenteilnehmerinnen, ehrenwerte Listenteilnehmer! Der guten Freunde und der guten Wünsche kann man nie genug haben. Deshalb wünsche ich allen einen guten Rutsch in ein gutes, glückliches Jahr, jeden Tag eine kleine Freude und ab und zu ein größres Glück. Der Familienforscher, der Suchende, braucht eine glückliche Hand und zutreffende Hinweise. Wie wäre es mit dem Familienbuch der katholischen Pfarrgemeinde DEUTSCH ZERNE im BANAT Deutsch Cernya, Nemet-Czernya, Nemetczernya, Nemacka-Crnja, 1808-1918/1946 auf der Grundlage der Kirchenbücher von Deutsch Zerne mit Serbisch Zerne und Tomsdorf-Hettin, Schriftenreihe zur donauschwäbischen Herkunftsforschung, Deutsche Ortssippenbücher Band B 470, von Helge und Anton Hornung, hrsg. von der Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Veröffentlichung Banater Familienbücher - AVBF Villingen-Schwenningen 2009, 2 Bde., 878 + 808 Seiten, Hardcover, farbig, Format: 148 x 210 mm, 2 Karten, eine mehrfarbig, Ortsplan, Preis 65.- zzgl. Versandkosten. Bemerkung. Zur Pfarrgemeinde gehörten die Meierhöfe (Csekonics-Domänen): Julia-Major, Endre-Major, Constancia-Major, Sziget-Mii|oi. Szöllös-Major, Klein-Rokus-Major, Leona-Major, Sandor-Major, Margithaza, Klein-Julia-Major, Fasanenhof. Bezug in Europa ab 04.01.2010: Philipp Lung, Schwarzaweg 18, D-78054 Villingen-Schweningen, Tel: (07720) 3 38 90, E-Mail: philipp.lung@t-online.de Bezug in den USA ab Jan. 2010: Dave Dreyer, 808 N Claremont, San Mateo, California 94401, Tel: 650 348 6518, E-Mail: ddreyer@pacbell.net Nikolaus Horn
I am trying to locate the name of the town for a Valentin Kotzian. He was born about 1843??? This is all the information I have on him. I would appreciate anyone with a family book. PLEASE do a look up for me. Thank you in advance. Betty
I feel exactlhy the same way Charlie ! Steve Remsing --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Charlie Tiller <charlietiller@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Charlie Tiller <charlietiller@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book To: banat@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:09 PM Marilyn et al, I am very delinquent in following up on the post below about Dill. I have long wondered if there is any connection between my Tiller ancestors and the various Dill, Till, and Thiel families in the Hatzfeld and Zerne area. I'm hoping the new Deutsch-Zerne family book will help clarify some of the missing connections in about 1850-1880. The excitement of waiting for this make-or-break resource to arrive is not quite keeping me up at night, but it's not far off. All will be revealed in due course - if it's at all revealable. Regards, Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:38:53 -0500 > From: Marilyn Fedewa <mhfedewa@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <d69565560911251538u6e0b96ceo73f927cbf30b25f7@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It was heartening to see the Dill references for Hatzfeld! Might Fran or > another kind soul be able to tell me if there is a Mary DILL / Till / Thiel, > etc there? She is my great grandmother, married to Konrad HEH / Hoh / Hob > and based on the age of their eldest child she may have been born in the > 1860 range, give or take. Their family ultimately wound up in Ernsthausen, > as told by my grandfather, but I have been unable to find them in any Banat > records. > > Many many thanks! > Marilyn > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:01 AM, <banat-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Marilyn et al, I am very delinquent in following up on the post below about Dill. I have long wondered if there is any connection between my Tiller ancestors and the various Dill, Till, and Thiel families in the Hatzfeld and Zerne area. I'm hoping the new Deutsch-Zerne family book will help clarify some of the missing connections in about 1850-1880. The excitement of waiting for this make-or-break resource to arrive is not quite keeping me up at night, but it's not far off. All will be revealed in due course - if it's at all revealable. Regards, Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:38:53 -0500 > From: Marilyn Fedewa <mhfedewa@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <d69565560911251538u6e0b96ceo73f927cbf30b25f7@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It was heartening to see the Dill references for Hatzfeld! Might Fran or > another kind soul be able to tell me if there is a Mary DILL / Till / Thiel, > etc there? She is my great grandmother, married to Konrad HEH / Hoh / Hob > and based on the age of their eldest child she may have been born in the > 1860 range, give or take. Their family ultimately wound up in Ernsthausen, > as told by my grandfather, but I have been unable to find them in any Banat > records. > > Many many thanks! > Marilyn > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:01 AM, <banat-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
>From Anita Pare: Thanks to John Michels efforts, here is a lovely tribute translation of the Gakowa/Gakovo Memorial. So many of the Molidorf residents died in Gakowa after the Molidorf camp was shut down. "Memorial for the survivors of the Death Camp Gakowo. We can forgive but not forget. May this symbol of the faith and peace dwell in our hearts, because the strength to bear our pain comes only from within. HERE REST OUR FELLOW DONAUSCHWABEN CITIZENS. THEY WILL FOREVER BE IN OUR HEARTS. WITH THE ERECTION OF THIS CROSS WE REMEMBER THEM WITH DIGNITY AND REVERENCE! THE DONAUSCHWABEN ARE DESCENDED FROM THE COLONISTS WHO WERE SETTLED IN THE PANNONIAN BASIN BY THE HABSBURGS IN THE 18TH CENTURY. THE GAKOWO DEATH CAMP EXISTED FROM MARCH 1945 UNTIL JANUARY 1948"
NEUERSCHEINUNG .-. NEUERSCHEINUNG .-. NEUERSCHEINUNG Helga und Anton Hornung: Familienbuch der katholischen Pfarrgemeinde DEUTSCH ZERNE im BANAT Deutsch Cernya, Nemet-Czernya, Nemetczernya, Nemacka-Crnja, 1808-1918/1946 auf der Grundlage der Kirchenbücher von Deutsch Zerne mit Serbisch Zerne und Tomsdorf-Hettin, Schriftenreihe zur donauschwäbischen Herkunftsforschung, Deutsche Ortssippenbücher Band B 470, hrsg. von der Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Veröffentlichung Banater Familienbücher - AVBF Villingen-Schwenningen 2009, 2 Bde., 878 + 808 Seiten, Hardcover, farbig, Format: 148 x 210 mm, 2 Karten, eine mehrfarbig, Ortsplan, Preis € 65.- zzgl. Versandkosten. Bem. Zur Pfarrgemeinde gehörten die Meierhöfe (Csekonics-Domänen): Julia-Major, Endre-Major, Constancia-Major, Sziget-Mii|oi. Szöllös-Major, Klein-Rokus-Major, Leona-Major, Sandor-Major, Margithaza, Klein-Julia-Major, Fasanenhof. Bezug in Europa ab 04.01.2010: Philipp Lung, Schwarzaweg 18, D-78054 Villingen-Schweningen, Tel: (07720) 3 38 90, E-Mail: philipp.lung@t-online.de Bezug in den USA ab Jan. 2010: Dave Dreyer, 808 N Claremont, San Mateo, California 94401, Tel: 650 348 6518, E-Mail: ddreyer@pacbell.net Nikolaus Horn
Gedenk- und Ehrenmal für unsere Toten Eva Petto Memorial and Cenotaph for our Departed Translated by John Michels Twenty-five years ago the Home Village Association (HOG) of India (Indjija) had a monument erected in the cemetery of Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen to commemorate and honor their departed. On July 7, 1984 it was dedicated by Rev. Martin Robert Botz and Rev. Lukas, the pastor of Stuttgart-Rot. Dr Valentine Oberkersch (†2004), the first chairman of the India HOG at that time, was able to welcome to the dedication celebration honored guests from the State Ministry Helmut Haun, the Landtag Assembly Member Dr. Marianne Schultz-Hector, the first mayor of the regional capital city Stuttgart Dr. Rolf Thieringer, the District Director of Zuffenhausen Wolfgang Meyle, the mayor of the Gerlingen Albrecht Sellner, the town council members Ruth Bockmann and Werner Frech, the district advisors fellow countrymen Adam Krämer und Otto Ziegler, the current president of the Landsmannschaft der Donauschwaben aus Jugoslawien Christian Brücker, the representatives of the associated Home Village Groups and about 400 India (Indjija) countrymen from Germany, Austria, France, Switzerland and also from Australia, overseas and Yugoslavia. Regional Chairman Wolfgang Meyle said”The Honor and Memorial monument that we dedicate today calls to memory the deceased members in the old Homeland and all of their dead, those who will not be forgotten, and those who should not be forgotten. May this be a place where former members of the community of India will gladly and often find their way.” The president of the Landsmannschaft Christian Brücker stated: “I know well what moves you in these serious times, here in this cemetery, where the greatest son or your homeland community Dr. Stefan Kraft, and more than 300 India (Indjija) countrymen have found their last resting place.” He asked: “What should the stone mean? It has much to say to us of the present time and to our descendents; as this monument is a sign of the fidelity to our dead, exactly like those in the place where they have died. It is a commitment to the history of the Donauschwaben, a sign of solidarity with our ancestors, who established the civilization there in the Danube region. And if cemeteries are destroyed, as in India, the trace of this achievement will not be erased from history.” To conclude the ceremonies, the first wreath was laid on the Memorial by Dr. Valentin Oberkersch (†2004), Fritz Eichinger (†2005) und Ignatz Stabl (†2007) to the music of ”Ich hatt’ einen Kameraden.” The design for this Memorial Monument done by our fellow India Countryman Dipl.- Ing. Walter Speer (†2007). THE DEAD IN THE OLD HOMELAND HERE AND IN ALL THE WORLD LORD, EVERYTHING IS YOURS, IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH EMIGRATED FROM THE GERMAN SOUTHWEST IN THE 18TH CENTURY SINCE 1825 THE GERMAN COMMUNITY FOUNDED ♦ INDIA 1944/1945 BANISHED ♦ IN GERMANY, AUSTRIA AND THE WHOLE WORLD A NEW BEGINNING Erected 1984 – The survivors – the descendents – the Patron City Stuttgart ............................ > From: johnmmichels@msn.com > To: parea5o7@live.ca > Subject: RE: INDJIJA: Gedenk- und Ehrenmal für unsere Toten, by Eva Petto [Nov. 2009] > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:29:22 -0800 > > > > Anita: > > Here is my try at the Indija monument. > > (The monument is a cenotaph -- a monument for people buried elsewhere. > > I will leave it to others to decide whether to change the village name from India to Indija to be less confusing.) > > JMM > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get Windows 7 for only $39.99—CDN College or University students only. This offer ends Jan 3—upgrade now! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get Windows 7 for only $39.99—CDN College or University students only. This offer ends Jan 3—upgrade now!
Stephanie Benjamin: It is so interesting to read your email and fascinating to see that you live in Syndey Australia. A person doesn't realize just how many places the people from the Banat area moved to when they left their homeland. I too have ancestors who came from the Banat area and settled in the state of North Dakota, USA. Nancy Dorrheim Mandan, ND USA -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 343 Today's Topics: 1. AUTO: John McClellan/ADMISSIONS/Staff/CSU is out of the office. (returning Mon 01/04/2010) (John A McClellan) 2. Banat Christmas (Stephanie Benjamin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:01:10 -0500 From: John A McClellan <j.a.mcclellan@csuohio.edu> Subject: [BANAT-L] AUTO: John McClellan/ADMISSIONS/Staff/CSU is out of the office. (returning Mon 01/04/2010) To: banat@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <OF5FE17046.10D0AE80-ON85257699.00318B9E-85257699.00318B9E@csuohio.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I am out of the office from Thu 12/24/2009 until Mon 01/04/2010. I will respond to your message when I return. Note: This is an automated response to your message "BANAT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 342" sent on 12/27/09 3:01:34. This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:20:30 +1100 From: "Stephanie Benjamin" <benjaminsax@optusnet.com.au> Subject: [BANAT-L] Banat Christmas To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <739A3C35CE134459A99AC01298068B82@UserPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I share the sentiments of all who have posted over the Christmas period. I too have Banat Grandparents who are so deeply missed at Christmas. They loved Christmas and devoted themselves to preserving a very special tradition for us kids. Now I do this with my own adult children--and try to explain why we do what we do and where these traditions came from. This year I decided to dedicate a special christmas tree decoration to each of our missing family members. My grandfather's decoration was a girl riding on a flying swan because it reminded me of Opa's bedtime story ... "Der grosse vogel" How do others carry on these precious traditions with the new generatons? Best Wishes and a Wonderful Banat Christmas and New Year to all. Stephanie Benjamin Sydney Australia ------------------------------ To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BANAT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 343 *************************************
I share the sentiments of all who have posted over the Christmas period. I too have Banat Grandparents who are so deeply missed at Christmas. They loved Christmas and devoted themselves to preserving a very special tradition for us kids. Now I do this with my own adult children--and try to explain why we do what we do and where these traditions came from. This year I decided to dedicate a special christmas tree decoration to each of our missing family members. My grandfather's decoration was a girl riding on a flying swan because it reminded me of Opa's bedtime story ... "Der grosse vogel" How do others carry on these precious traditions with the new generatons? Best Wishes and a Wonderful Banat Christmas and New Year to all. Stephanie Benjamin Sydney Australia
I am out of the office from Thu 12/24/2009 until Mon 01/04/2010. I will respond to your message when I return. Note: This is an automated response to your message "BANAT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 342" sent on 12/27/09 3:01:34. This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away.
I have the same thoughts all year. My grandparents had a very positive influence on my entire life. It is their life lessons that I remember vividly and most of all. I hope I have passed on the same outlook to my children and grandchildren. I cannot get over missing them. Thomas C. Thornton, M.D. Webmaster, Landesverband der Donauschwabeh, USA http://www.donauschwaben-usa.org/
Merry Christmas to all! Mona
Frohes Fest und ein Gesundes neues Jahr 2010 wünscht allen Banater Helmut Loch ( Kikinda )
Wishing you a blessed Christmas and a great New Year! Rosina
A very Merry Christmas to my friends on the list.....today more than most others I miss sharing with my grandparents who taught me that this Season was far more than material gifts......I miss them dearly. Ken Christie (njgcards@yahoo.com) 112 Indigo Cove Kyle, TX 78640
The Gr Jetscha family book by Hans Wikete has been out of print for some years. The Gr Jetscha HOG has now made the family book available on a CD. The price is 20 Euro. In addition the HOG has made available of a CD prepared by Franz Muth which contains photos of all houses in Gr Jetscha. To order, contact the HOG chairman, Norbert Neidenbach at; nneidenbach@t-online.de Dave Dreyer
A family book for Lowrin by Nikolaus Schauermann has now been published. The book covers the period 1772-1840. The price of the book is 20 Euro plus postage. While the author is now deceased copies can be ordered from his wife; Erika Schauermann Erzbergerstrasse 92 76133 Karlsruhe Germany Dave Dreyer
HI Everyone - We wish all of your and your families the Peace and Blessings of Christmas and all the best in the New Year of 2010, especially good health. Dave Dreyer mentioned the records of Deutsch Zerne Familienbuch will be available. If it is, I would appreciate it if someone could look up my great-great grandmotherand/or family if they are there. Barbara Hergath born about 1804. Married - Nikolaus Arnusch in Deutsch Stamora on Nov. 6, 1827. Died - Georgshausen on Apr. 19, 1867. I believe Nikolaus Arnusch was born in Stefansfeld. I have no other information about his family or where they came from. Thanks for your help. - Betty (Hasenfratz) Harle