Louisa; It is my understanding that passports were not required for departures from Antwerp, Rotterdam or North Sea ports prior to World War I. This is not to say that there were not other restrictions. In order to leave legality from Hungary, especially for men of military age a passport was required. Moreover, there were health checks for immigrants traveling through Germany. The authorities did not want a lot of people piling up at ports of departure who had gotten that far and then couldn't pass the health examination just before boarding the ship. Many of these would have been destitute without money to return home and then have become a problem for the local authorities. This was certainly a complaint on the part of the Hungarian government who had to deal with some of their nationals who were destitute in Hamburg or Bremen. The health examination was fairly strict at the port of departure by the shipping lines since if immigrants were rejected at Ellis Island the shipping line had to return them to the port of departure at the expense of the shipper. Of course, if you were Hungarian or Russian then you were on your own when you were returned to Hamburg or Bremen and if without funds a unwelcome problem for the respective governments. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louisa Livingston" <l-livingston@nyc.rr.com> To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:23 PM Subject: question about passport for nonBanaters & emigration > Hello David. I was interested in what you wrote in your extractions for > the Banaters traveling in the early 1900's from Antwerp. My grandfather > travelled on the Kroonland from Antwerp in 1903 to NYC. However, he was > from Warsaw and came without papers or passport. Notwithstanding > difficulties he probably had getting out of Warsaw (especially since he > was Jewish and declared it at customs), my question is: At that time, > could anyone who could pay for their passage from Antwerp then board the > ship? Or was it only the Banaters and perhaps other more local people > able to travel without papers? > > Thank you for any information. I'm very curious about the whole process > and have not seen this particular part written up. > > Louisa R. Livingston > > >

Hello, Has anyone on this list ever used Die mainfrankische Auswanderung nach Ungarn und den österr. Erbländern im 18. Jahrhundert Stmnt.Resp. von Alfons Prenzinger? According the bibliography in the Klugesherz Mercydorf book that I have, the work of researcher Georg Reiser can be found in this publication, specifically in Die Mercydorfer Feldbesitzer in Jahr 1774, In: Deutsche Forschungen in Ungarn Jg. 6, 1941, H. 1, S. 36-46. It appears that the list of field owners Reiser found in the Hungarian archives also included places of origin.  I know that my Leonhard Teufel/Teuffel is on the list in House # 55, however, the Mercydorf book I have does not indicate what other information was listed for Leonhard, if any.   Are the original documents available for study now?  I understand that Herr Reiser did his research 70 years ago. Were the original documents he used on microfilm then or have they since been placed on microfilm?  I am sure that they would be of great interest to researchers.  I know the Prenzinger work is on microfilm, but that is not a primary source. I am interested in learning how Reiser organized his own presentation of the land owner information.  Is it in chart form?  If so, what are the column headings? Reiser's work really was a major undertaking, and it has benefitted many Banat researchers.  It is clear that Petri incorporated what he found in Reiser's work into his own Mercydorf Original Settlers List. I How the former soldier Leonhard Teufel's place of origin has managed to slip under the radar for so long is still quite a mystery to me. Thank you for any help you can give me. Sincerely, Cathy Teufel O'Neill

John; Your message has been sitting in my inbox for awhile. By this time you have probably worked out the information yourself. Anyway, for what it is worth, I post the data below taken rom the Heufeld/Massdorf KBs. Dave Dreyer MUELLER Peter, son of Peter MUELLER and Susanna TIDES *20 Feb 1877 D Zerne living in Heufeld oo 4 Feb 1902 Heufeld REP Maria, dau of Susanna REP *7 Jul 1877 Neu Betsche, living in Heufeld Johann *19 Dec 1898 Heufeld oo Katharina SCHULD Magdalena *27 Jul 1902 Kikinda Puszta MUELLER Josef , son of Peter MUELLER and Susanna TIDES *2 Jun 1883 D Zerne, living at Massdorf 133 +20 Oct 1926 Massdorf 130 oo 21 Nov 1907 Heufeld BRAMMERHAST Anna, wid of Josef BEIERLE *21 Nov 1873 Massdorf 133 Katharina *19 Jul 1908 Massdorf oo Mathias BOCKMUELLER Josef *12 May 1911 Massdorf 130 MUELLER Josef, son of Josef MUELLER and Anna BRAMMERHAST *11 May 1911 Massdorf +missing WW II oo ULI(UHLI, ULLI) Elisabeth *20 Aug 1912 St Nikolaus To Detroit Johann *20 Feb 1937 Massdorf 12 ` to Detroit Johann Josef *19 Apr 1940 Massdorf 12 to Detroit Anna *16 Nov 1942 Massdorf 14 to Detroit BEIERLE Josef *1867 Massdorf +17 May 1904 Massdorf oo BRAUMMERHAST Anna Susanna *10 Aug 1895 Massdorf oo Anton KALTSCHAN OTT Franz *1871 Massdorf 123 +19 May 1946 Lager Mollydorf 1oo LEITNER Magdalena *1876 Heufeld +18 Jun 1937 Massdorf 123 Franz *24 Feb 1896 Massdorf 106 Nikolaus *31 Nov 1898 Massdorf 106 Nikolaus Mathias *11 Jun 1905 Massdorf 106 2oo 22 Dec 1938 Heufeld BRAMMERHAST Anna, wid of Josef MUELLER *1873 Massdorf +1946 Lager Mollydorf ----- Original Message ----- From: <Muellerjohnf@aol.com> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Can you help me? > Hello, all you good people. > > I am a newcomer to the List and would be most pleased if any of you could > offer me some guidance on how best to get started on finding, getting more > information about my Banater family roots. > > I was born in Mastort, as was my father, Josef Muller (with Umlaut), and > his > mother, Anna (nee Bramerhast) Muller. She was married once before she wed > my > paternal grandfather Muller, and her last name then was Bayerle (or > Beuerle or > Bauerle (with Umlaut a). Her son, Johann Bayerle (spelling?), from that > first > marriage lived in Heufeld and owned and operated a flour mill there until > 1944. I believe Johann Bayerle had a sister named Susanna, possibly > married to an > Anton (?) Kalatschan of Mastort. After my grandfather Muller died (don't > know > when and how), grandmother Anna was married for the third and last time, > to > Franz Ott, of Heufeld. Anna and Franz Ott died in the Molidorf death camp > in > 1946 at the age of 73 and 75, respectively. > > Some of this information is in the Heimatbuch for Mastort-Heufeld (now > Novi > Kozarci) and Russkodorf, but I am interested in finding more genealogical > detail. > > My mother, a sister, a brother and I were in the Mastort and Molidorf > (Molin) > concentration camps and escaped to Hungary from the Gakovo death camp in > 1947, lived in refugee camp Feffernitz, Austria, for a while and arrived > in New > York on Nov. 2 or 3, 1951, from Bremen aboard the American troop ship Gen. > M. B. > Stewart. > > My mother, Elisabeta Muller, was born in 1912 in Klein Nikolaus as > Elisabeta > Uhli. I think her father's name was Georg. I don't remember (if I ever > even > knew) my maternal grandmother's first name although I am tempted to assume > it > was either Anna or Elisabeta because those were the names of her two > daughters. > My maternal grandmother's maiden name was Schafnitz or Schafschnitzl or a > variation thereof. Most, if not all. of her several siblings, including > her > brother, Frank (aka Ferenc in Hungarian, Franz in German) Schafnitz, came > to the US > via Ellis Island in 1907 as a 19-year-old "from Hungary." Other > Schafnitzes/Schafschnitzls, male and female, settled in Cincinnati (the > name Elmer > Doggendorf sounds familiar) and the Saginaw Valley of Michigan and perhaps > elsewhere > in the US. My mother had a brother, Georg Uhli, who died during in the > early > 1940s, as did grandmother Uhli. My mother's only sister, Anna, died at > age 8 of > some (unknown to me) illness. Uncle Georg Uhli and his wife, who married a > Serbian doctor after Georg's death, lived in St. Hubert. > > Family lore has it that the Muller/Bramerhast side (Roman Catholic) > probably > came from Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen) and settled in Mastort ca. > 1770. > The Schafschnitzls also were Catholic but the Uhlis were Protestants > (Evangelisch) and that would suggest that their forefathers possibly came > to the Banat > in the third Schwabenzug from somewhere in Germany. > > Sorry to bother you all with this detail but I thought that perhaps it > might > generate some thoughts on how I might go about learning more about the > Mullers, Bayerles, Schafschnitzls and Uhlis in the Banat region. > > Thanks a lot for any suggestions on how to proceed that you may be able to > offer this beginner. > > John Mueller > Rochester Hills, Michigan > > > > > ==== BANAT Mailing List ==== > Please keep your messages to the subject of our list. 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I wonder if the ancestor who played in the Kaiser's band was in the Austro-Hungarian military? I have a photo of band members with instruments wearing military uniforms among my Hungarian ancestor's photos. That would have been circa 1900. Vicki Albu --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> wrote: From: Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration & The Kaiser's Band To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:38 PM (first part of message snipped) I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the age of 24.  I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in the Kaiser's band.  How would a man living in the Banat come to play in the Kaiser's band?  Does anyone know of a resource where I could find information on this fact? Thank you, Denise in Oregon

Denise,  the reasons for emigrating to the US (or Canada) are several:   There were recruiters from US factories visiting towns in the Banat to sign up workers   If one young man or family went to the US, they would write about land and job opportunities available, they would sponsor other family members or friends   Land was in short supply in the Banat - large tracts of land were owned by the church, the government or by large landowners, it was getting harder and harder for a young man to get land   The inheritance practices gave a man's land to his oldest son.  The other sons had to seek work in other ways, either by working as a day laborer on someone else's land, by learning a trade, or moving to city to look for work in a factory   Susan Clarkson --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> wrote: From: Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration & The Kaiser's Band To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:38 PM My father was asking me if I knew what had motivated his ancestors to emigrate from the Banat to America.   I do not know the economic conditions or if there was something specific.  My families emigrated from Pankota and Ujpanat (Neupanat) in 1903-1908  (Pfau, Plennert, Schmidt, Freisinger, Hauptman, Reznicsek, Doran, Engel, et al).  What were the reasons others have found that their ancestors left for America. I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the age of 24.  I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in the Kaiser's band.  How would a man living in the Banat come to play in the Kaiser's band?  Does anyone know of a resource where I could find information on this fact? Thank you, Denise in Oregon My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Liebe List Hoping to make a connection. These are all from Bogarosch. Becker, Mangel, Coinger, Martin, Ebinger, Michael, Essinger, Pfeiffauf, Fuchs, Prunkl, Goschy, Schang, Henrik, Schaus, Holtz, Schmidt Jilinger, Schneider, Klein, Thierjung, Klos, Volk, Kohl, Wetcer Kotzian, Wichner, Kuhn, Laub and Lind. Betty Phila Pa

Betty, The Gross Jetscha book and Ujvar,Uiwar book have Kotzian, but no Valentin. Regards, Helen Dubas -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:02 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1 Today's Topics: 1. Re: DILL in Hatzfeld book (steve remsing) 2. Familienbuch Deutsch Zerne (CG Junkers) 3. Kotzian (Betty Mauro) 4. Need help with Roszler/Roesler Family (Wai057@aol.com) 5. Re: Kotzian (Harold Bratsko) 6. Re: Kotzian (Dave Dreyer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: steve remsing <jsremsing@att.net> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book To: banat@rootsweb.com, Charlie Tiller <charlietiller@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <534214.63443.qm@web180215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I feel exactlhy the same way Charlie ! ? Steve Remsing --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Charlie Tiller <charlietiller@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Charlie Tiller <charlietiller@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book To: banat@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:09 PM Marilyn et al, I am very delinquent in following up on the post below about Dill.? I have long wondered if there is any connection between my Tiller ancestors and the various Dill, Till, and Thiel families in the Hatzfeld and Zerne area.? I'm hoping the new Deutsch-Zerne family book will help clarify some of the missing connections in about 1850-1880.? The excitement of waiting for this make-or-break resource to arrive is not quite keeping me up at night, but it's not far off.? All will be revealed in due course - if it's at all revealable. Regards, Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:38:53 -0500 > From: Marilyn Fedewa <mhfedewa@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <d69565560911251538u6e0b96ceo73f927cbf30b25f7@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It was heartening to see the Dill references for Hatzfeld! Might Fran or > another kind soul be able to tell me if there is a Mary DILL / Till / Thiel, > etc there? She is my great grandmother, married to Konrad HEH / Hoh / Hob > and based on the age of their eldest child she may have been born in the > 1860 range, give or take. Their family ultimately wound up in Ernsthausen, > as told by my grandfather, but I have been unable to find them in any Banat > records. > > Many many thanks! > Marilyn > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:01 AM, <banat-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:22:42 +0100 From: CG Junkers <CGJunkers@web.de> Subject: [BANAT-L] Familienbuch Deutsch Zerne To: akdff-L@genealogy.net, banat-L@rootsweb.com, nikhorn@gmx.de Message-ID: <1276161548@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Weitergeleitet von Nikolaus Horn <nikhorn@gmx.de> Verehrte Listenteilnehmerinnen, ehrenwerte Listenteilnehmer! Der guten Freunde und der guten W?nsche kann man nie genug haben. Deshalb w?nsche ich allen einen guten Rutsch in ein gutes, gl?ckliches Jahr, jeden Tag eine kleine Freude und ab und zu ein gr??res Gl?ck. Der Familienforscher, der Suchende, braucht eine gl?ckliche Hand und zutreffende Hinweise. Wie w?re es mit dem Familienbuch der katholischen Pfarrgemeinde DEUTSCH ZERNE im BANAT Deutsch Cernya, Nemet-Czernya, Nemetczernya, Nemacka-Crnja, 1808-1918/1946 auf der Grundlage der Kirchenb?cher von Deutsch Zerne mit Serbisch Zerne und Tomsdorf-Hettin, Schriftenreihe zur donauschw?bischen Herkunftsforschung, Deutsche Ortssippenb?cher Band B 470, von Helge und Anton Hornung, hrsg. von der Arbeitsgemeinschaft f?r Ver?ffentlichung Banater Familienb?cher - AVBF Villingen-Schwenningen 2009, 2 Bde., 878 + 808 Seiten, Hardcover, farbig, Format: 148 x 210 mm, 2 Karten, eine mehrfarbig, Ortsplan, Preis ? 65.- zzgl. Versandkosten. Bemerkung. Zur Pfarrgemeinde geh?rten die Meierh?fe (Csekonics-Dom?nen): Julia-Major, Endre-Major, Constancia-Major, Sziget-Mii|oi. Sz?ll?s-Major, Klein-Rokus-Major, Leona-Major, Sandor-Major, Margithaza, Klein-Julia-Major, Fasanenhof. Bezug in Europa ab 04.01.2010: Philipp Lung, Schwarzaweg 18, D-78054 Villingen-Schweningen, Tel: (07720) 3 38 90, E-Mail: philipp.lung@t-online.de Bezug in den USA ab Jan. 2010: Dave Dreyer, 808 N Claremont, San Mateo, California 94401, Tel: 650 348 6518, E-Mail: ddreyer@pacbell.net Nikolaus Horn ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:17:59 -0500 From: fmauro@webtv.net (Betty Mauro) Subject: [BANAT-L] Kotzian To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <10290-4B3CDCC7-47@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII I am trying to locate the name of the town for a Valentin Kotzian. He was born about 1843??? This is all the information I have on him. I would appreciate anyone with a family book. PLEASE do a look up for me. Thank you in advance. Betty ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:49:35 EST From: Wai057@aol.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Need help with Roszler/Roesler Family To: banat-l@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <beb.59085da1.386e685f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I am trying to help someone find their family. Listed below is the pertinent information I have found. I would appreciate any help anyone can give. Katalin Roszler , age 33 (maiden name was Urich) (probably born in 1869) (with children Valentin and Istvan) arrived 21 May, 1906 on the Pannonia from Fiume to Ellis Island. Joined husband, Ignatz Roszler in Steelton, PA (couldn't find immigration record of Ignatz Roszler). Josef Roszler, age 30 (probably born in 1883) arrived 30 Sep, 1912 on the Lapland from Antwerp to Ellis Island. Came with wife Anna, age 28. Pretty sure Josef is the brother of Ignatz Roszler. Josef is living with Katalin Roszler (listed as brother-in-law) in the 1920 census, likely soon after the death of Ignatz. In 1930 census, he is listed as Joseph Roessler. I believe this immigration record says that Josef's mother was Anna Roszler, destined for Cincinnati, OH. Josef gives last residence as Versecs, Hungary, which could be the one in the Banat. Josef gave home of mother as O. Moldove or something similar. Katalin gave last place of residence also as O. Moldove. I don't think this was Moldavia, as Josef gave his home as Hungary. Also, in some census records, the mother tongue was given as German. Thank you, Willy Istvan ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:43:54 -0700 From: "Harold Bratsko" <bhbrat24@msn.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kotzian To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com>, "Betty Mauro" <fmauro@webtv.net> Message-ID: <COL121-DS280AEA914FBBF17A0AACECC780@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Betty, I have looked up Kotzian in the following villages but found no Valentin. Lenauheim, Alexanderhausen, Klein Betschkerek . Also there are Kotzian from these other villages but I cannot look up. Johannisfeld, Bogarosch, and Gross Kikinda. There seems to be a lot of them from Bogarosch, so if you can find someone with this book you might find him. Good luck, Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Mauro<mailto:fmauro@webtv.net> To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Kotzian I am trying to locate the name of the town for a Valentin Kotzian. He was born about 1843??? This is all the information I have on him. I would appreciate anyone with a family book. PLEASE do a look up for me. Thank you in advance. Betty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:45:59 -0800 From: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kotzian To: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C3762EA3EBF74EB99468A395562E5C72@D99J3Q21> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Harold; You can add Ostern, Kl Betschkerek and Hodon/Baratzhausen to the places containing Kotzians according to their family books, all without a Valentin . The Kotzians in these places all appear to come from Bogarosch. In the Grabatz family book is a series of families with the name Kotsisan(initial place of origin not given). Among these is a Valentin Kotsisan *21 Nov 1829 Grabatz, +ca 1853 Ostern, son of Josef Kotsisan and Klara Mess, oo Elisabeth Karolini. It you can stretch the birth date this appears to be the guy. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Bratsko" <bhbrat24@msn.com> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com>; "Betty Mauro" <fmauro@webtv.net> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kotzian > Betty, > > I have looked up Kotzian in the following villages but found no > Valentin. Lenauheim, Alexanderhausen, > Klein Betschkerek . Also there are Kotzian from these other villages but I > cannot look up. Johannisfeld, > Bogarosch, and Gross Kikinda. There seems to be a lot of them from > Bogarosch, so if you can find someone with this book you might find him. > > Good luck, > Harold > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Betty Mauro<mailto:fmauro@webtv.net> > To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:17 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Kotzian > > > > I am trying to locate the name of the town for a Valentin Kotzian. He > was born about 1843??? This is all the information I have on him. > > I would appreciate anyone with a family book. PLEASE do a look up for > me. 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Charlie; Dill, Till and occasionally Thill are just spelling varients of the same name but is different from Thiel and Tiller. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Tiller" <charlietiller@hotmail.com> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book Marilyn et al, I am very delinquent in following up on the post below about Dill. I have long wondered if there is any connection between my Tiller ancestors and the various Dill, Till, and Thiel families in the Hatzfeld and Zerne area. I'm hoping the new Deutsch-Zerne family book will help clarify some of the missing connections in about 1850-1880. The excitement of waiting for this make-or-break resource to arrive is not quite keeping me up at night, but it's not far off. All will be revealed in due course - if it's at all revealable. Regards, Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:38:53 -0500 > From: Marilyn Fedewa <mhfedewa@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <d69565560911251538u6e0b96ceo73f927cbf30b25f7@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It was heartening to see the Dill references for Hatzfeld! Might Fran or > another kind soul be able to tell me if there is a Mary DILL / Till / > Thiel, > etc there? She is my great grandmother, married to Konrad HEH / Hoh / Hob > and based on the age of their eldest child she may have been born in the > 1860 range, give or take. Their family ultimately wound up in Ernsthausen, > as told by my grandfather, but I have been unable to find them in any > Banat > records. > > Many many thanks! > Marilyn > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:01 AM, <banat-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Software called PHPGEDVIEW has been recommended to me by a very competent researcher. http://www.familywebhost.com/index.html Is anyone here using that software; and if so, I'd appreciate pros & cons. I am overdue to "pick a system" and begin the task of entering TONS of info I have on my own family and that of my wife's Donauschwaben family. It is my new years resolution to do so in 2010! Vielen Dank! Dan Drew

Happy New Year, everyone! May 2010 be good to you all! Mona

Denise -- I'm sure that my family who came in 1911 from Glogowatz (very near to Neupanat where my great grandmother was born - Magdalena Szander) came for better lives. They didn't own property. My grandfather tended the horses; granny worked at the farm; Her boss told her to leave before she was "attached" to anything. He loaned her the money for their travels -- and they paid him back. They came to New York City -- a little section in Queens called College Point where there were factories springing up. Many people got jobs. The area was already well settled from the 1890's and was a German town - language, customs, church, etc. They had friends there - some family members came a year or two earlier. I think that is what you will find when you receive more answers -- after the holidays are over. Hope you hear more. My family names in Neupanat are Szander/Lump/Hackert/Herzog to name a few -- more at roll call when it starts. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Sproed" <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:38 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration & The Kaiser's Band > My father was asking me if I knew what had motivated his ancestors to > emigrate from the Banat to America. I do not know the economic > conditions > or if there was something specific. My families emigrated from Pankota > and > Ujpanat (Neupanat) in 1903-1908 (Pfau, Plennert, Schmidt, Freisinger, > Hauptman, Reznicsek, Doran, Engel, et al). What were the reasons others > have found that their ancestors left for America. > > I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the > age of 24. I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in > the Kaiser's band. How would a man living in the Banat come to play in > the > Kaiser's band? Does anyone know of a resource where I could find > information on this fact? > > Thank you, > > Denise in Oregon > My genealogy related pages are at: > http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ > and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ > The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I post this message knowing that I will probably have a lot of people upset with me. The D Zerne family book has not yet been delivered from the publisher. The printing ran up against the holidays in Germany and this has delayed matters. Business in Germany tends to slow with the extended holidays. Certainly the books should be in the mail shortly after the new year. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Tiller" <charlietiller@hotmail.com> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book Marilyn et al, I am very delinquent in following up on the post below about Dill. I have long wondered if there is any connection between my Tiller ancestors and the various Dill, Till, and Thiel families in the Hatzfeld and Zerne area. I'm hoping the new Deutsch-Zerne family book will help clarify some of the missing connections in about 1850-1880. The excitement of waiting for this make-or-break resource to arrive is not quite keeping me up at night, but it's not far off. All will be revealed in due course - if it's at all revealable. Regards, Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:38:53 -0500 > From: Marilyn Fedewa <mhfedewa@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <d69565560911251538u6e0b96ceo73f927cbf30b25f7@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It was heartening to see the Dill references for Hatzfeld! Might Fran or > another kind soul be able to tell me if there is a Mary DILL / Till / > Thiel, > etc there? She is my great grandmother, married to Konrad HEH / Hoh / Hob > and based on the age of their eldest child she may have been born in the > 1860 range, give or take. Their family ultimately wound up in Ernsthausen, > as told by my grandfather, but I have been unable to find them in any > Banat > records. > > Many many thanks! > Marilyn > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:01 AM, <banat-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Following up on the Till question. My relative, Elizabeth Reck, born in 1878 in Billed, married Bernard Till in 1898. The Till couple, plus my great grandfather, left Billed and came to America in the early 1900s. I found the three living in an apartment in Cincinnati at the time of the 1910 census but I can not find any other reference to the Tills in America after that. I believe that they returned to Europe (my gr. Grandfather remained, but no relative remembers ever meeting the Tills in Cincinnati). Elizabeth is listed as dying in 1960 in Kn. I don't know if this Till is connected in any way to the Tills in Hatzfeld or Zerne, but if anyone has info on Bernard/Elizabeth Reck Till I would appreciate filling in some blanks! And just to complicate things further, I have some Tolls in my Hatzfeld tree. Kat Lang -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of steve remsing Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:46 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com; Charlie Tiller Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book I feel exactlhy the same way Charlie !   Steve Remsing --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Charlie Tiller <charlietiller@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Charlie Tiller <charlietiller@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book To: banat@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:09 PM Marilyn et al, I am very delinquent in following up on the post below about Dill.  I have long wondered if there is any connection between my Tiller ancestors and the various Dill, Till, and Thiel families in the Hatzfeld and Zerne area.  I'm hoping the new Deutsch-Zerne family book will help clarify some of the missing connections in about 1850-1880.  The excitement of waiting for this make-or-break resource to arrive is not quite keeping me up at night, but it's not far off.  All will be revealed in due course - if it's at all revealable. Regards, Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:38:53 -0500 > From: Marilyn Fedewa <mhfedewa@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <d69565560911251538u6e0b96ceo73f927cbf30b25f7@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It was heartening to see the Dill references for Hatzfeld! Might Fran > or another kind soul be able to tell me if there is a Mary DILL / Till > / Thiel, etc there? She is my great grandmother, married to Konrad HEH > / Hoh / Hob and based on the age of their eldest child she may have > been born in the 1860 range, give or take. Their family ultimately > wound up in Ernsthausen, as told by my grandfather, but I have been > unable to find them in any Banat records. > > Many many thanks! > Marilyn > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:01 AM, <banat-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: >                           _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Betty, >From the Ostern family book: #2587 KOTSISAN Valentin, Beisitzer, Eltern: Kotsisan Josef und Mesz Klara *21.11.1829 Grabatz + er. 1853 1.oo 30.06.1850 Grabatz KAROLINI Elisabeth *20.05.1833 Grabatz 1. Anna *25.04.1853 Ostern Bemerk. Vater: Son of: Kocsisan, Kotschischan, Kotsison, Kotsissan: Q.Fb.Grabatz The Ostern book also has a Franz (* 1848 Bogarosch) and Michael KOTZIAN (* 1867 Batatzhausen) Michael's parents were Mathias Kotzian and Theresia Gehl. Author's note: Father (Mathias) is the son of Koczian (Geel) Q. FB Lenauheim 680/3419 and 3432. Spellings varied considerably so the above may contain some clues for you. Frank D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Mauro" <fmauro@webtv.net> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Kotzian > > I am trying to locate the name of the town for a Valentin Kotzian. He > was born about 1843??? This is all the information I have on him. > > I would appreciate anyone with a family book. PLEASE do a look up for > me. Thank you in advance. > > Betty > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Denise, Those questions were answered so many times on these pages, but an overview over Danube Swabian history (Banat was only one of the 6 Danube Swabian areas), you can find on www.hrastovac.net pages, specifically under 'historical information'. Starting chronologically more or less from the history of when and why the future Donauschwaben left the Germanic lands after they were invited by the Emperor of Holy Roman Empire to resettle the lands devastated by the Turk's occupation prior to 1688 and all the way to the end of WWII when all those by now 5,000 million of Danube Swabians were expelled from their ancestral lands. Happy reading, Rosina T. Schmidt Vancouver Island > My father was asking me if I knew what had motivated his ancestors to > emigrate from the Banat to America. I do not know the economic > conditions > or if there was something specific. My families emigrated from Pankota > and > Ujpanat (Neupanat) in 1903-1908 (Pfau, Plennert, Schmidt, Freisinger, > Hauptman, Reznicsek, Doran, Engel, et al). What were the reasons others > have found that their ancestors left for America. > > I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the > age of 24. I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in > the Kaiser's band. How would a man living in the Banat come to play in > the > Kaiser's band? Does anyone know of a resource where I could find > information on this fact? > > Thank you, > > Denise in Oregon > My genealogy related pages are at: > http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ > and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ > The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site >

My father was asking me if I knew what had motivated his ancestors to emigrate from the Banat to America. I do not know the economic conditions or if there was something specific. My families emigrated from Pankota and Ujpanat (Neupanat) in 1903-1908 (Pfau, Plennert, Schmidt, Freisinger, Hauptman, Reznicsek, Doran, Engel, et al). What were the reasons others have found that their ancestors left for America. I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the age of 24. I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in the Kaiser's band. How would a man living in the Banat come to play in the Kaiser's band? Does anyone know of a resource where I could find information on this fact? Thank you, Denise in Oregon My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site

All Till researchers, i wonder if you already discovered the Till family branches in St. Georgen (Bega Szent György) and Kathreinfeld (Katalinfalva). The Till family was present in St. Georgen up to about 1940. I don't know if Dill Till and Tiller are variants. The expert for Kathreinfeld families is Mrs. Roswitha Egert roswithaegert@t-online.de. I have a distant relation to this Till family branch via the Michel family. Happy new yearr! Reinhold Benedik, Germany Charlie Tiller schrieb: > Marilyn et al, > > > > I am very delinquent in following up on the post below about Dill. I have long wondered if there is any connection between my Tiller ancestors and the various Dill, Till, and Thiel families in the Hatzfeld and Zerne area. I'm hoping the new Deutsch-Zerne family book will help clarify some of the missing connections in about 1850-1880. The excitement of waiting for this make-or-break resource to arrive is not quite keeping me up at night, but it's not far off. All will be revealed in due course - if it's at all revealable. > > > > Regards, > > Charlie Tiller > > St. Paul, MN > > > > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:38:53 -0500 >> From: Marilyn Fedewa <mhfedewa@comcast.net> >> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book >> To: banat@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <d69565560911251538u6e0b96ceo73f927cbf30b25f7@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> It was heartening to see the Dill references for Hatzfeld! Might Fran or >> another kind soul be able to tell me if there is a Mary DILL / Till / Thiel, >> etc there? She is my great grandmother, married to Konrad HEH / Hoh / Hob >> and based on the age of their eldest child she may have been born in the >> 1860 range, give or take. Their family ultimately wound up in Ernsthausen, >> as told by my grandfather, but I have been unable to find them in any Banat >> records. >> >> Many many thanks! >> Marilyn >> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:01 AM, <banat-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Reinhold Benedik Kolpingstr. 2 72250 Freudenstadt Tel 07441 88117 Fax 07441 88118 Mobil 0173 3010192

Has anyone heard any new information about just when the book will be available yet ? Thanks. Steve Remsing ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve remsing" <jsremsing@att.net> To: <banat@rootsweb.com>; "Charlie Tiller" <charlietiller@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book >I feel exactlhy the same way Charlie ! > > Steve Remsing > > --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Charlie Tiller <charlietiller@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Charlie Tiller <charlietiller@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:09 PM > > > > Marilyn et al, > > > > I am very delinquent in following up on the post below about Dill. I have > long wondered if there is any connection between my Tiller ancestors and > the various Dill, Till, and Thiel families in the Hatzfeld and Zerne area. > I'm hoping the new Deutsch-Zerne family book will help clarify some of the > missing connections in about 1850-1880. The excitement of waiting for this > make-or-break resource to arrive is not quite keeping me up at night, but > it's not far off. All will be revealed in due course - if it's at all > revealable. > > > > Regards, > > Charlie Tiller > > St. Paul, MN > > > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:38:53 -0500 >> From: Marilyn Fedewa <mhfedewa@comcast.net> >> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILL in Hatzfeld book >> To: banat@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <d69565560911251538u6e0b96ceo73f927cbf30b25f7@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> It was heartening to see the Dill references for Hatzfeld! Might Fran or >> another kind soul be able to tell me if there is a Mary DILL / Till / >> Thiel, >> etc there? She is my great grandmother, married to Konrad HEH / Hoh / Hob >> and based on the age of their eldest child she may have been born in the >> 1860 range, give or take. Their family ultimately wound up in >> Ernsthausen, >> as told by my grandfather, but I have been unable to find them in any >> Banat >> records. >> >> Many many thanks! >> Marilyn >> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:01 AM, <banat-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I found a Koczian in the Mercydorf records, but he was from the Hodony line.. Johann K. married Elisabetha Anna Moutard on 30 Jan 1900 in Mercydorf.  They had at least two sons. Happy New Year to all. Cathy Teufel O'Neill

Harold; You can add Ostern, Kl Betschkerek and Hodon/Baratzhausen to the places containing Kotzians according to their family books, all without a Valentin . The Kotzians in these places all appear to come from Bogarosch. In the Grabatz family book is a series of families with the name Kotsisan(initial place of origin not given). Among these is a Valentin Kotsisan *21 Nov 1829 Grabatz, +ca 1853 Ostern, son of Josef Kotsisan and Klara Mess, oo Elisabeth Karolini. It you can stretch the birth date this appears to be the guy. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Bratsko" <bhbrat24@msn.com> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com>; "Betty Mauro" <fmauro@webtv.net> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kotzian > Betty, > > I have looked up Kotzian in the following villages but found no > Valentin. Lenauheim, Alexanderhausen, > Klein Betschkerek . Also there are Kotzian from these other villages but I > cannot look up. Johannisfeld, > Bogarosch, and Gross Kikinda. There seems to be a lot of them from > Bogarosch, so if you can find someone with this book you might find him. > > Good luck, > Harold > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Betty Mauro<mailto:fmauro@webtv.net> > To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:17 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Kotzian > > > > I am trying to locate the name of the town for a Valentin Kotzian. He > was born about 1843??? This is all the information I have on him. > > I would appreciate anyone with a family book. PLEASE do a look up for > me. Thank you in advance. > > Betty > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT-request@rootsweb.com> with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >