Maria MATHIS was the daughter of Wilhelm MATHIS & Eva ANGELE [she was not B/C in Saderlach!][the whole family moved to Covaci in 1844] Andreas PAUTZ, B 9.11.1828, Saderlach, son of Johann PAUTZ & Anna HAUSENSTEIN [the whole family moved to Covaci in 1844] S o r i n http://www.genealogy.ro/contributions.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda McKenna" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 Subject: [BANAT-L] searching following: PENZER, PANCZ, BAUTZ, MATHIS,KIRSCHNER, more > Dear fellow searchers: I am looking for any info on the following. I > have recently found my great grandfather's (Friedrich BAUTZ) birth 16 Apr > 1855 in kowatschi/kovaci. HIs parents: Andreas PENZER / PANCZ... b 1828 > in Saderlach/Kow and Maria MATHIS b 1829 b in Saderlach/Kow. two sisters > Margaret and Rosalia. > > Any one with Saderlach records.??....interested in where Penzer/Pancz > originated. > > Any possible Kowatschi records...?? looking for origin of Emalie > Kirschner wife of Friedrich BAUTZ??? > > BAUTZ / PAUTZ / BAUCZ / PAUCZ/ + variants: > from Kowatschi / Covaci / Kovacsi; Saderlach > > PENZER / PANCZ / PAUCZ / BENZER / BANCZ / BAUCZ > + variants from Saderlach (before 1855) > > MATHIS + variants Saderlach ; Kowatschi > Maria Mathis married Andreas Penzer > > KIRSCHNER / KIRCHNER / KERSCHNER + variants: > From Kowatschi by 1884 unknown before this date > Emalie Kirschner married Friedrich Bautz they raised > family in Kowatschi/ Covaci/Kovacsi > > HORVATH / HORWATH Stefan > marr: Luise/ aloysia BAUTZ of Kowatschi /Kovaci > > TITSCHINGER /DITSCHINGER of Kowatschi / Kovaci > > REITER of Ersthausen Lebensort Eic. (Eichental) > Nikolaus Reiter b. 1877 > marr. Catharina Beiszer Mayer > (she was born Grossjetscha ) > > MAYER / MAJER , Mathias b 1753 of Grossjetscha. > (looking for his wife and their ancestors) > > thank you in advance for any hints/info. > > Linda Bautz McKenna

Dear Hans and Gunter, Thank you so much for taking the time to do the look-up for me.  It is interesting to learn that the places of origin in Reiser’s work only come from W&K and the early church book records.  I find that some of the settlers on the 1774 list are never mentioned in the early churchbook records, and I wondered if the settler himself told the person who created the list where he came from, as was done in a census.  Now I know the information came from W&K.  So, I am back to square one.  It is hard for me to believe that there is no record - even a military one - showing Leonhard’s assignment to Mercydorf.  Looking through a 100 rolls of military microfilm for a Seven Years War enlistment record without so much as a clue is too daunting a task. Thank you, again, for your responses. Cathy Teufel O'Neill

Great addition to the site guys! I also like how you can sort the data by clicking on the column headers. --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Karen Dalton Preston <karen@golden-hills.com> wrote: > From: Karen Dalton Preston <karen@golden-hills.com> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Molidorf arrivals database > To: "Banat List" <banat@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Anita Pare" <parea5o7@live.ca>, "David Preston" <dpreston@golden-hills.com> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:28 PM > A new database has recently been > added to the Molidorf.com web site. > > Using the Ship's List extractions created by Dave Dreyer, > we have  > selected all the entries for immigrants who were born in > Molidorf, or  > who resided there at the time of their emigration.  > These entries have  > been updated to include any additional info available, and > even a few  > new entries have been added.  In total there are > nearly 500 entries,  > covering the period from 1899 to 1955. > > The data has been converted to a fully-searchable database > format, and  > is available now at http://www.molidorf.com/ships/user/ships_list.php > > Best regards, > --Karen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

A new database has recently been added to the Molidorf.com web site. Using the Ship's List extractions created by Dave Dreyer, we have selected all the entries for immigrants who were born in Molidorf, or who resided there at the time of their emigration. These entries have been updated to include any additional info available, and even a few new entries have been added. In total there are nearly 500 entries, covering the period from 1899 to 1955. The data has been converted to a fully-searchable database format, and is available now at http://www.molidorf.com/ships/user/ships_list.php Best regards, --Karen

I have a few questions for your group. I have asked if anyone has information on my grandparents. My grandfather was born in the Banat area (Jabuka, Joguslavia) and his name was George Subin, American spelling. The last name was originally spelled Szubin. No one seems to have any information, however my great grandmother Katalin Pruv got married in September 1920 in Romania to a Larzus Groza, in the US his name was Lasa Grosa. If anyone of you have any information I would love to know. I can find all sorts of information in the US but nothing before they came here. Sandy Subin Boeshart -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of GenealogyRO Group Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:06 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] [GenRoG] --RE: searching following: PENZER, PANCZ, BAUTZ,MATHIS, KIRSCHNER, more Maria MATHIS was the daughter of Wilhelm MATHIS & Eva ANGELE [she was not B/C in Saderlach!][the whole family moved to Covaci in 1844] Andreas PAUTZ, B 9.11.1828, Saderlach, son of Johann PAUTZ & Anna HAUSENSTEIN [the whole family moved to Covaci in 1844] S o r i n http://www.genealogy.ro/contributions.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda McKenna" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 Subject: [BANAT-L] searching following: PENZER, PANCZ, BAUTZ, MATHIS,KIRSCHNER, more > Dear fellow searchers: I am looking for any info on the following. I > have recently found my great grandfather's (Friedrich BAUTZ) birth 16 Apr > 1855 in kowatschi/kovaci. HIs parents: Andreas PENZER / PANCZ... b 1828 > in Saderlach/Kow and Maria MATHIS b 1829 b in Saderlach/Kow. two sisters > Margaret and Rosalia. > > Any one with Saderlach records.??....interested in where Penzer/Pancz > originated. > > Any possible Kowatschi records...?? looking for origin of Emalie > Kirschner wife of Friedrich BAUTZ??? > > BAUTZ / PAUTZ / BAUCZ / PAUCZ/ + variants: > from Kowatschi / Covaci / Kovacsi; Saderlach > > PENZER / PANCZ / PAUCZ / BENZER / BANCZ / BAUCZ > + variants from Saderlach (before 1855) > > MATHIS + variants Saderlach ; Kowatschi > Maria Mathis married Andreas Penzer > > KIRSCHNER / KIRCHNER / KERSCHNER + variants: > From Kowatschi by 1884 unknown before this date > Emalie Kirschner married Friedrich Bautz they raised > family in Kowatschi/ Covaci/Kovacsi > > HORVATH / HORWATH Stefan > marr: Luise/ aloysia BAUTZ of Kowatschi /Kovaci > > TITSCHINGER /DITSCHINGER of Kowatschi / Kovaci > > REITER of Ersthausen Lebensort Eic. (Eichental) > Nikolaus Reiter b. 1877 > marr. Catharina Beiszer Mayer > (she was born Grossjetscha ) > > MAYER / MAJER , Mathias b 1753 of Grossjetscha. > (looking for his wife and their ancestors) > > thank you in advance for any hints/info. > > Linda Bautz McKenna ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda...   Here's the entry for Mathias Majer from the GJ OSB....note that there is no place of birth included for him or wife Catharina     m27. 4. Majer Mathias juvenis †Majer Mathias *1753 †16.03.1840 Gj (87j)<Viduus oo01.02.1785 Gj Z:Theod.Bettendorf,Joan.Wilh.Achem Ludi Magister (Lehrer) Jochem M,ia Cath.vir. †Majer Cath. *1766 †25.03.1829 Gj (63j)< nr154 1.Joannes *19.01.1786 Gj<Marg. †24.01.1786 Gj (6t)<Mathias 2.Michael *21.03.1787 Gj<Anna C †05.10.1788 Gj(1j)<Mathias 3.Michael *15.02.1789 Gj †20.02.1789 Gj(5t)<Mathias oo 4.Catharina *16.03.1790 Gj†27.11.1843 oo1810.4a.Gautzi Ludovic. g29. oo 5.Margaretha Mayer *06.04.1792 Gj oo17.10.1813 Kj Kald Pet. k50. oo 6.Mathias *07.06.1794 Gj†22.08.1829 oo17.10.1820 Kj Kaldi Marg. m34. oo 7.Jacobus *21.09.1796 Gj oo16.04.1815 Sz Lauth AM m35. 8.Eva *06.01.1799 Gj †10.01.1799 Gj (5t)<Mathias 9.Anna Maria *18.02.1800 Gj †24.05.1800 Gj (0,25j)<Mathias oo 10.Josephus *18.05.1801 Gj†31.08.1857 oo27.10.1822 Kj Palmer Bar. m36. ooMayer-w Josephus oo20.11.1830 Gj Schmidt Md oo 11.Eva *19.02.1804 Gj†31.08.1836 oo19.01.1823 Gj Sturm Jac. s634. 12.Anna *05.05.1805 Gj* †18.07.1805 Gj (2m13t)<Josephi oo 13.Konrad Mayer *06.09.1806 Gj oo07.10.1827 Gj Vikete Sus. m37. 14.Georgius Meyer *28.05.1809 Gj †02.06.1809 Gj (5t)<Mathia&Maria 15.Ottilia Meyer zw *23.06.1810 Gj †12.07.1810 Gj (19t)<M&C Jochem 15.Maria Sidonia zw *23.06.1810 Gj †04.01.1811 Gj (6m)<M.&Cath. Ken Christie (njgcards@yahoo.com) 112 Indigo Cove Kyle, TX 78640 --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Linda McKenna <famline@embarqmail.com> wrote: From: Linda McKenna <famline@embarqmail.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] searching following: PENZER, PANCZ, BAUTZ, MATHIS, KIRSCHNER, more To: banat@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 10:40 PM Dear fellow searchers:  I am looking for any info on the following.  I have recently found my great grandfather's (Friedrich BAUTZ)  birth 16 Apr 1855 in kowatschi/kovaci.  HIs parents:  Andreas PENZER / PANCZ... b 1828 in Saderlach/Kow and Maria MATHIS  b 1829 b in Saderlach/Kow.  two sisters Margaret and Rosalia. Any one with Saderlach records.??....interested in where Penzer/Pancz originated. Any possible Kowatschi records...??  looking for origin of Emalie Kirschner wife of Friedrich BAUTZ??? BAUTZ / PAUTZ / BAUCZ / PAUCZ/  + variants:              from  Kowatschi / Covaci / Kovacsi;  Saderlach PENZER / PANCZ / PAUCZ / BENZER / BANCZ / BAUCZ                 + variants from Saderlach   (before 1855)    MATHIS  + variants    Saderlach ;  Kowatschi                   Maria Mathis married Andreas Penzer KIRSCHNER / KIRCHNER / KERSCHNER + variants:             From Kowatschi  by 1884  unknown before this date         Emalie Kirschner married Friedrich Bautz  they raised           family in Kowatschi/ Covaci/Kovacsi HORVATH / HORWATH   Stefan                marr:  Luise/ aloysia BAUTZ of Kowatschi /Kovaci    TITSCHINGER /DITSCHINGER  of Kowatschi / Kovaci    REITER   of Ersthausen Lebensort Eic.  (Eichental)                 Nikolaus Reiter  b.  1877                marr. Catharina Beiszer   Mayer                 (she was born Grossjetscha )    MAYER / MAJER , Mathias  b 1753  of Grossjetscha.                           (looking   for his wife and their ancestors) thank you in advance for any hints/info. Linda Bautz McKenna ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Valerie, if I'm not mistaken, Klek is now a municipality of Zrenjanin (Großbetschkerek), Serbia. Is your family from Klek? John ----- Original Message ----- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:28:15 -0600 From: "Barbie, Valerie J." <vbarbie@nd.gov> Subject: [BANAT-L] (no subject) To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B2139C8A358B3046A3CAD1A24BFE2D7B02582F00B5@ITDMBX3.nd.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can someone please tell me the modern names of the following Banat towns: Gross Betschkerek Kathreinfeld Klek Ostern Ernsthausen Valerie Barbie Bismarck, North Dakota

Hi Cathy I have the book Auswanderung nach Ungarn und den österr. Erbländern im 18. Jahrhundert in my library. The originally book was printed in Vienna 1941, but I have a reprinted version from the year 1984 ... The first 50 pages give informations about the situations in the Mainfränkische region, and ca 150 pages name listings. I think: Deutsche Forschungen in Ungarn Jg. 6, 1941, H. 1, S. 36-46. is a other book?- I dont have this. Kind regards Hans Grimm Jr. Am 04.01.2010 20:45, schrieb Catherine Teufel: > Hello, > > Has anyone on this list ever used > Die mainfrankische Auswanderung nach Ungarn und den österr. Erbländern im 18. Jahrhundert > Stmnt.Resp. > von Alfons Prenzinger? > > According the bibliography in the Klugesherz Mercydorf book that I have, the work of researcher Georg Reiser can be found in this publication, specifically in > > Die Mercydorfer Feldbesitzer in Jahr 1774, In: Deutsche Forschungen in Ungarn Jg. 6, 1941, H. 1, S. 36-46. > > It appears that the list of field owners Reiser found in the Hungarian archives also included places of origin. I know that my Leonhard Teufel/Teuffel is on the list in House # 55, however, the Mercydorf book I have does not indicate what other information was listed for Leonhard, if any. > > Are the original documents available for study now? I understand that Herr Reiser did his research 70 years ago. Were the original documents he used on microfilm then or have they since been placed on microfilm? I am sure that they would be of great interest to researchers. I know the Prenzinger work is on microfilm, but that is not a primary source. > > I am interested in learning how Reiser organized his own presentation of the land owner information. Is it in chart form? If so, what are the column headings? > > Reiser's work really was a major undertaking, and it has benefitted many Banat researchers. It is clear that Petri incorporated what he found in Reiser's work into his own Mercydorf Original Settlers List. > I > How the former soldier Leonhard Teufel's place of origin has managed to slip under the radar for so long is still quite a mystery to me. > > Thank you for any help you can give me. > > Sincerely, > Cathy Teufel O'Neill > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear fellow searchers: I am looking for any info on the following. I have recently found my great grandfather's (Friedrich BAUTZ) birth 16 Apr 1855 in kowatschi/kovaci. HIs parents: Andreas PENZER / PANCZ... b 1828 in Saderlach/Kow and Maria MATHIS b 1829 b in Saderlach/Kow. two sisters Margaret and Rosalia. Any one with Saderlach records.??....interested in where Penzer/Pancz originated. Any possible Kowatschi records...?? looking for origin of Emalie Kirschner wife of Friedrich BAUTZ??? BAUTZ / PAUTZ / BAUCZ / PAUCZ/ + variants: from Kowatschi / Covaci / Kovacsi; Saderlach PENZER / PANCZ / PAUCZ / BENZER / BANCZ / BAUCZ + variants from Saderlach (before 1855) MATHIS + variants Saderlach ; Kowatschi Maria Mathis married Andreas Penzer KIRSCHNER / KIRCHNER / KERSCHNER + variants: From Kowatschi by 1884 unknown before this date Emalie Kirschner married Friedrich Bautz they raised family in Kowatschi/ Covaci/Kovacsi HORVATH / HORWATH Stefan marr: Luise/ aloysia BAUTZ of Kowatschi /Kovaci TITSCHINGER /DITSCHINGER of Kowatschi / Kovaci REITER of Ersthausen Lebensort Eic. (Eichental) Nikolaus Reiter b. 1877 marr. Catharina Beiszer Mayer (she was born Grossjetscha ) MAYER / MAJER , Mathias b 1753 of Grossjetscha. (looking for his wife and their ancestors) thank you in advance for any hints/info. Linda Bautz McKenna

John; I don't have copies of the KBs for Kl St Nikolaus but with your clue that Elisabeth Uhli died in Massdorf was what I needed to find her in the Massdorf KBs. I paste the entry below. The last deaths recorded in Massdorf/Heufeld were in Aug and one in Sept before the Serbs and Russians took over and essentially wiped out that part of the population which had not fled. The cause of death, as well as I can read it is"carcinomia eoteri" Dave Dreyer UHLI Johann oo SCHAFSCHNITZEL Elisabeth *1884 St Nikolaus +24 Jan 1944 Massdorf 12 There is a death of a Georg Uhli listed in the Totenbuch der Donauschwaben who died in 1942 which appears to be your guy. See; http://www.totenbuch-donauschwaben.at/en/index.php Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Muellerjohnf@aol.com To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Mueller in Massdorf/Heufeld Oh, wow, David, what a pleasant surprise to get your message of today. I had forgotten all about having sent that to you six years ago. But very pleased that you did not forget about it. Those certainly are all my Mueller relatives, every one of them, and your message gives me information that I did not have before. Meanwhile, I wonder if I could prevail on your generosity for one more thing. Do you perhaps have access to a KB for Klein Nicholaus an der Theiss where my mother, nee Elisabeta Uhli, was born August 20, 1912? I would dearly love to know the first name of her mother and father. I know widowed Grandma Uhli died at our house in Mastort in early 1944 but I don't know what happened to Grandpa Uhli. Any way, forgive me if I'm asking for too much of it. Besides my mother, the Uhlis had two other children -- Anna Uhli, who died at age 8, and Georg Uhli, who died of pneumonia or a fall of a horse (not sure which) as a German soldier circa 1942 or '43. Wishing you a healthy and happy New Year! Respectfully, John Mueller

Ken; You can contact Metz via his website at; http://www.edition-musik-suedost.de/index.html Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Christie To: Dave Dreyer Cc: Banat-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Music in the Banat Dave.... Do you have an email address for Herr Metz?....I have some questions concerning names of the Billed village band members from the late 1800's and early 1900's that he may be able to provide input on. Ken Christie (njgcards@yahoo.com) 112 Indigo Cove Kyle, TX 78640 --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> wrote: From: Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Subject: [BANAT-L] Music in the Banat To: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Dawn Marshall" <dawnmarshall73@gmail.com> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 2:15 PM Dawn; There is much interest (on the part of others) on Banat music matters. It is not clear from your message if the picture you have is taken in America or in the Banat. The big expert on Banat music is Franz Metz who writes articles, appearing from time to time in the Banater Post. Almost every Heimatbuch will have a chapter on the local music Kapella and choir. Some Banat localities were especially know for their Music Kapella and if memory serves the ones from Billed and Kl Betschkerek and perhaps others made tours about Europe and North America. These were relatively wealthy villages and could afford instruments and moreover, had one or more directors which devoted their time to fostering music in the locality. In your case, I would recommend gathering up as much background information on your photo as possible and send it off to Franz Metz. You might check the Baltimore newspapers for the week following 4 Jul 1914 , especially the German language ones, for articles on the Saengerfest. If you can identify the village that is associated with the people in your photos then certainly the respective HOG would like to have a copy that they might publish in their Heimatblatt. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Dawn Marshall To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:35 PM Subject: Banat family History Dear Mr. Dryer, My name is Dawn Marshall. I have been researching my family history for some years now and have only recently tried to untangle the German side of the family. When we sold my gram's house two summers ago, we cleaned out the attic and found many items from the past that we did not know even existed. Apparently, when my grandfather first married my grandmom, all this stuff was put up there and left that way as his parents had passed on and sadly, he would pass on in about 12 years time. This was in the 1940's. When I think how we almost sold the house without going in the crawl space! Thank you for all your work, it has helped immensely. The reason I am writing to you is that we seem to have large portraits of a mens choirs called the Banater Maennerchor. We think we can pick out a few of our relatives. We also have a large portrait of what looks like a huge banquet picture taken, but we can't tell what it is. Since we found them together, we think they are of the same people and time frame. I was wondering if you knew of anything with this. My mom has the pictures, but I would be glad to get a copy of them and email them for you. I do know one was taken at Vereinigte Arbeiter Gesangvereinen von Nord-Ost Staaten Sängerfest in Baltimore, MD. on July 4th, 1914 as its written on the picture in the white pencil they used back then. -- Dawn Marshall DawnMarshall73@gmail.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good evening Valerie: > Can someone please tell me the modern names of the following Banat towns: > Gross Betschkerek Zrenjanin > Kathreinfeld Ravni Topolovac or Banatski Topolovac > Klek Klek > Ostern Comlosu Mic or Comlosul Mic > Ernsthausen Banatski Despotovac Hope this information is helpful. Dr. Cornell Frank

Vicki - Is there any way you could e-mail the photo? My grandfather was a musician and may have been in the Austro-Hungarian military. Thank you, Mike Kausch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki Albu" <VAlbu@comcast.net> To: "'Susan Clarkson'" <clark1se@sbcglobal.net>; "'Denise Sproed'" <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> Cc: "'Banat List'" <banat-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration and playing in Kaiser's band I wonder if the ancestor who played in the Kaiser's band was in the Austro-Hungarian military? I have a photo of band members with instruments wearing military uniforms among my Hungarian ancestor's photos. That would have been circa 1900. Vicki Albu --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> wrote: From: Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration & The Kaiser's Band To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:38 PM (first part of message snipped) I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the age of 24. I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in the Kaiser's band. How would a man living in the Banat come to play in the Kaiser's band? Does anyone know of a resource where I could find information on this fact? Thank you, Denise in Oregon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Dave. I really appreciate your comprehensive and quick response. Louisa On Jan 4, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Dave Dreyer wrote: Louisa; It is my understanding that passports were not required for departures from Antwerp, Rotterdam or North Sea ports prior to World War I. This is not to say that there were not other restrictions. In order to leave legality from Hungary, especially for men of military age a passport was required. Moreover, there were health checks for immigrants traveling through Germany. The authorities did not want a lot of people piling up at ports of departure who had gotten that far and then couldn't pass the health examination just before boarding the ship. Many of these would have been destitute without money to return home and then have become a problem for the local authorities. This was certainly a complaint on the part of the Hungarian government who had to deal with some of their nationals who were destitute in Hamburg or Bremen. The health examination was fairly strict at the port of departure by the shipping lines since if immigrants were rejected at Ellis Island the shippi! ng line had to return them to the port of departure at the expense of the shipper. Of course, if you were Hungarian or Russian then you were on your own when you were returned to Hamburg or Bremen and if without funds a unwelcome problem for the respective governments. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louisa Livingston" <l-livingston@nyc.rr.com> To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:23 PM Subject: question about passport for nonBanaters & emigration > Hello David. I was interested in what you wrote in your extractions for the Banaters traveling in the early 1900's from Antwerp. My grandfather travelled on the Kroonland from Antwerp in 1903 to NYC. However, he was from Warsaw and came without papers or passport. Notwithstanding difficulties he probably had getting out of Warsaw (especially since he was Jewish and declared it at customs), my question is: At that time, could anyone who could pay for their passage from Antwerp then board the ship? Or was it only the Banaters and perhaps other more local people able to travel without papers? > > Thank you for any information. I'm very curious about the whole process and have not seen this particular part written up. > > Louisa R. Livingston > >

Can someone please tell me the modern names of the following Banat towns: Gross Betschkerek Kathreinfeld Klek Ostern Ernsthausen Valerie Barbie Bismarck, North Dakota

http://www.dvhh.org/banat/village/index.htm --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Barbie, Valerie J. <vbarbie@nd.gov> wrote: From: Barbie, Valerie J. <vbarbie@nd.gov> Subject: [BANAT-L] (no subject) To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 5:28 PM Can someone please tell me the modern names of the following Banat towns: Gross Betschkerek Kathreinfeld Klek Ostern Ernsthausen Valerie Barbie Bismarck, North Dakota ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dave....   Do you have an email address for Herr Metz?....I have some questions concerning names of the Billed village band members from the late 1800's and early 1900's that he may be able to provide input on. Ken Christie (njgcards@yahoo.com) 112 Indigo Cove Kyle, TX 78640 --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> wrote: From: Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Subject: [BANAT-L] Music in the Banat To: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Dawn Marshall" <dawnmarshall73@gmail.com> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 2:15 PM Dawn; There is much interest (on the part of others) on Banat music matters.  It is not clear from your message if the picture you have is taken in America or in the Banat. The big expert on Banat music is Franz Metz who writes articles, appearing from time to time in the Banater Post.  Almost every Heimatbuch will have a chapter on the local music Kapella and choir.  Some Banat localities were especially know for their Music Kapella and if memory serves the ones from Billed and Kl Betschkerek and perhaps others made tours about Europe and North America.  These were relatively wealthy villages and could afford instruments and moreover, had one or more directors which devoted their time to fostering music in the locality. In your case, I would recommend gathering up as much background information on your photo as possible and send it off to Franz Metz.    You might check the Baltimore newspapers for the week following 4 Jul 1914 , especially the German language ones, for articles on the Saengerfest.  If you can identify the village that is associated with the people in your photos then certainly the respective HOG would like to have a copy that they might publish in their Heimatblatt. Dave Dreyer   ----- Original Message -----   From: Dawn Marshall   To: ddreyer@pacbell.net   Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:35 PM   Subject: Banat family History   Dear Mr. Dryer,   My name is Dawn Marshall. I have been researching my family history for some years now and have only recently tried to untangle the German side of the family. When we sold my gram's house two summers ago, we cleaned out the attic and found many items from the past that we did not know even existed. Apparently, when my grandfather first married my grandmom, all this stuff was put up there and left that way as his parents had passed on and sadly, he would pass on in about 12 years time. This was in the 1940's. When I think how we almost sold the house without going in the crawl space!  Thank you for all your work, it has helped immensely.   The reason I am writing to you is that we seem to have large portraits of a mens choirs called the Banater Maennerchor. We think we can pick out a few of our relatives. We also have a large portrait of what looks like a huge banquet picture taken, but we can't tell what it is. Since we found them together, we think they are of the same people and time frame. I was wondering if you knew of anything with this. My mom has the pictures, but I would be glad to get a copy of them and email them for you. I do know one was taken at Vereinigte Arbeiter Gesangvereinen von Nord-Ost Staaten Sängerfest in Baltimore, MD. on July 4th, 1914    as its written on the picture in the white pencil they used back then.   --   Dawn Marshall   DawnMarshall73@gmail.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I asked my grandparents why the Barbie's left Hungary and I was told that my great-great grandfather was concerned about war and didn't want his children to have to go to war or be forced to join the military. My family left Hungary in the 1890's and mandatory service of 2 years was implemented in 1903. I heard that either my great grandfather or great-great grandfather had been called to serve in the military after they had moved to the United States. I was told that the request had been thrown away. I'm also not sure if that request came as a result of the mandatory 2 years of service or if it was for WWI. I'm not sure if there is any information to back up the reason I was given but I would be interested to hear if anyone knows anything more on the subject. Does anyone know if it is possible to locate a copy of the letter sent by the military? Valerie Barbie Bismarck, North Dakota From: Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration & The Kaiser's Band To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:38 PM My father was asking me if I knew what had motivated his ancestors to emigrate from the Banat to America.???I do not know the economic conditions or if there was something specific.? My families emigrated from Pankota and Ujpanat (Neupanat) in 1903-1908? (Pfau, Plennert, Schmidt, Freisinger, Hauptman, Reznicsek, Doran, Engel, et al).? What were the reasons others have found that their ancestors left for America. I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the age of 24.? I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in the Kaiser's band.? How would a man living in the Banat come to play in the Kaiser's band?? Does anyone know of a resource where I could find information on this fact? Thank you, Denise in Oregon My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site

Vicki; Since the band uniforms tended to look like military unifomrs I suspect, unless you know differently, that your photo is a village band. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki Albu" <VAlbu@comcast.net> To: "'Susan Clarkson'" <clark1se@sbcglobal.net>; "'Denise Sproed'" <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> Cc: "'Banat List'" <banat-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration and playing in Kaiser's band I wonder if the ancestor who played in the Kaiser's band was in the Austro-Hungarian military? I have a photo of band members with instruments wearing military uniforms among my Hungarian ancestor's photos. That would have been circa 1900. Vicki Albu --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> wrote: From: Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration & The Kaiser's Band To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:38 PM (first part of message snipped) I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the age of 24. I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in the Kaiser's band. How would a man living in the Banat come to play in the Kaiser's band? Does anyone know of a resource where I could find information on this fact? Thank you, Denise in Oregon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dawn; There is much interest (on the part of others) on Banat music matters. It is not clear from your message if the picture you have is taken in America or in the Banat. The big expert on Banat music is Franz Metz who writes articles, appearing from time to time in the Banater Post. Almost every Heimatbuch will have a chapter on the local music Kapella and choir. Some Banat localities were especially know for their Music Kapella and if memory serves the ones from Billed and Kl Betschkerek and perhaps others made tours about Europe and North America. These were relatively wealthy villages and could afford instruments and moreover, had one or more directors which devoted their time to fostering music in the locality. In your case, I would recommend gathering up as much background information on your photo as possible and send it off to Franz Metz. You might check the Baltimore newspapers for the week following 4 Jul 1914 , especially the German language ones, for articles on the Saengerfest. If you can identify the village that is associated with the people in your photos then certainly the respective HOG would like to have a copy that they might publish in their Heimatblatt. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Dawn Marshall To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:35 PM Subject: Banat family History Dear Mr. Dryer, My name is Dawn Marshall. I have been researching my family history for some years now and have only recently tried to untangle the German side of the family. When we sold my gram's house two summers ago, we cleaned out the attic and found many items from the past that we did not know even existed. Apparently, when my grandfather first married my grandmom, all this stuff was put up there and left that way as his parents had passed on and sadly, he would pass on in about 12 years time. This was in the 1940's. When I think how we almost sold the house without going in the crawl space! Thank you for all your work, it has helped immensely. The reason I am writing to you is that we seem to have large portraits of a mens choirs called the Banater Maennerchor. We think we can pick out a few of our relatives. We also have a large portrait of what looks like a huge banquet picture taken, but we can't tell what it is. Since we found them together, we think they are of the same people and time frame. I was wondering if you knew of anything with this. My mom has the pictures, but I would be glad to get a copy of them and email them for you. I do know one was taken at Vereinigte Arbeiter Gesangvereinen von Nord-Ost Staaten Sängerfest in Baltimore, MD. on July 4th, 1914 as its written on the picture in the white pencil they used back then. -- Dawn Marshall DawnMarshall73@gmail.com