Dear Fellow DS Researchers, Here is what I know and underlined is what I am searching. Any help greatly appreciated. My great grandfather Friedrich BAUTZ/PAUTZ/PAUCZ was born 16 April 1855 in Kowatschi to Andreas PENZER/PAUTZ/PANCZ (b 9 Nov 1828 in Saderlach) and Maria MATHIS (b 1829 place unk) . He had two older sisters Rosalia b 22 Aug 1850 and Margaret born 15 Feb. 1852 both in Kowatschi. Other children Unknown His parents were married in St. Andreas on 9 Feb 1847. Parents of Andreas are Johann PAUTZ and Anna HAUSENSTEIN. birthdates and places unknown. Their family moved to Kowatschi from Saderlach in 1844 I do not know where his mother Maria MATHIS was born,? nor anything about her parents: Wilhelm MATHIS and Eva ANGELE who moved their family from Saderlach to Kowatschi in 1844. Looking for personal info on Wilhelm or Eva Friedrich BAUTZ/PAUTZ/PAUCZ married Emilia KIRSCHNER (or variant sp). marriage date and place unknown. Emilia was born 1864; place unknown. Friedrich had a daughter previous to this marriage by the name of Barbara...details unknown. Emilia may have had a son previous to this marriage by the name of Stefan BREDRECHECZ (or variant spelling), details unknown. together Friedrich and Emilia BAUTZ had these known children all born in Kowatschi: Maria 1884 Peter 1887 Johan 1889 Josefa 1893 Konrad 1896 d 1916 W.W.I but do not know where Louisa or Luise b, unk Married Stefan Horvath/Horwath, date and place unk; son Stefan, details unk. possibly a Friedrich...details unk. Again, thank you for any help. Linda Bautz McKenna

Thanks Jane. Yes, I did have this information. My experience is early marriage records are rather brief with not much information. But you never know. I'll check it out. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Moore" <jmoore@cmcpc.net> To: "Robert Evensen" <revensen@comcast.net>; "Banat List" <banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] John Leks Robert, Do you have the marriage information for John & Elisabeth (29 May 1913 in Lake County, Indiana)? If not, do a search for John Lekz on ancestry.com, and it will come up. I don't know whether the original record would have a birth place for John. Jane Moore At 05:37 PM 1/12/2010, Robert Evensen wrote: >Hi Cathy, > >Thanks for all the sites and help. The name Robtbach is very clear on the >registration record. In fact it is printed in block letters, so there is >no >mistaking a European or Gothic script. I went to Dave's site on Banaters >to >the US and found no one with the name Leks. Now this is very strange. >Even >in Ancestry.com it is a rather unusual name as spelled. There are several >families with the name from Poland, but his record says Romania and he is >married to a woman from Großjetscha. I can only assume the spelling is >some >variant of the original German. > >To make the problem more interesting. John Leks's wife is Elisabetha Ott, >daughter of Michael Ott and Barbara Lambing of Großjetscha. In the FB >Großjetscha, Hans Wikete does not know what happened to Elisabetha, so >there >is only a birth date. I found her emigration record from Hamburg on 14 Sep >1906. I don't believe she is listed yet on Dave's list. As soon as I find >her American landing, I will report it to him. So I am feeling comfortable >that John Leks is from Romania. What village is still the question! > >Robert > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cathy Deschu" <cjdeschu@yahoo.com> >To: "Banat List" <banat@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:31 PM >Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] John Leks > > >I thought I'd mention 3 sites which are helpful finding village names. >Sadly >in Robert's case, I found no Robtbach. There is a family name similar .. >Rohrbach. Perhaps it is something like that. Transcribing from old >handwriting can be very tough. While searching Ellis Island for my >grandparents, there was no one on the list with the village I knew they >came >from in the sites initial search results. But when I actually looked at the >real transcript, I could see the Ellis Island transcriber had mistaken the >2 >first letters for something totally different. Another thing I learned is >if >something "sounds" the same it often is the same, despite their spelling >variation. I've found at least 10 different speilings for Deschu. So give >yourself a little flexibility when searching. > >Here are the links for the 3 sites that might help others .. and even >Robert. > > >There is an online resource for finding villages. It identifies itself as >being for Jewish researchers, but most villages were not only Jewish. It >will find villages with similar spellings or sound throughout eastern >Europe. I found my grandmothers Ukrainian village on it, when no other >resource had. It's worth a try, so I thought I'd mention it. > >http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp > >This is also a handy village name resource. > >http://www.feefhs.org/links/banat/townban.html > >One other resource is > >http://www.dvhh.org/banat/village/index.htm > > >Cathy Deschu in dark, windy 27º Pennsylvania (we're having a heat wave) > >--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Robert Evensen <revensen@comcast.net> wrote: > >From: Robert Evensen <revensen@comcast.net> >Subject: [BANAT-L] John Leks >To: "'Banat List'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:02 PM > >In a 1942 US Draft registration, John Leks lists his birth place as >Robtbach, Romania. Any guess as to where that is? His wife is born in >Großjetscha. > >Robert Evensen > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

Robert, Do you have the marriage information for John & Elisabeth (29 May 1913 in Lake County, Indiana)? If not, do a search for John Lekz on ancestry.com, and it will come up. I don't know whether the original record would have a birth place for John. Jane Moore At 05:37 PM 1/12/2010, Robert Evensen wrote: >Hi Cathy, > >Thanks for all the sites and help. The name Robtbach is very clear on the >registration record. In fact it is printed in block letters, so there is no >mistaking a European or Gothic script. I went to Dave's site on Banaters to >the US and found no one with the name Leks. Now this is very strange. Even >in Ancestry.com it is a rather unusual name as spelled. There are several >families with the name from Poland, but his record says Romania and he is >married to a woman from Großjetscha. I can only assume the spelling is some >variant of the original German. > >To make the problem more interesting. John Leks's wife is Elisabetha Ott, >daughter of Michael Ott and Barbara Lambing of Großjetscha. In the FB >Großjetscha, Hans Wikete does not know what happened to Elisabetha, so there >is only a birth date. I found her emigration record from Hamburg on 14 Sep >1906. I don't believe she is listed yet on Dave's list. As soon as I find >her American landing, I will report it to him. So I am feeling comfortable >that John Leks is from Romania. What village is still the question! > >Robert > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cathy Deschu" <cjdeschu@yahoo.com> >To: "Banat List" <banat@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:31 PM >Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] John Leks > > >I thought I'd mention 3 sites which are helpful finding village names. Sadly >in Robert's case, I found no Robtbach. There is a family name similar .. >Rohrbach. Perhaps it is something like that. Transcribing from old >handwriting can be very tough. While searching Ellis Island for my >grandparents, there was no one on the list with the village I knew they came >from in the sites initial search results. But when I actually looked at the >real transcript, I could see the Ellis Island transcriber had mistaken the 2 >first letters for something totally different. Another thing I learned is if >something "sounds" the same it often is the same, despite their spelling >variation. I've found at least 10 different speilings for Deschu. So give >yourself a little flexibility when searching. > >Here are the links for the 3 sites that might help others .. and even >Robert. > > >There is an online resource for finding villages. It identifies itself as >being for Jewish researchers, but most villages were not only Jewish. It >will find villages with similar spellings or sound throughout eastern >Europe. I found my grandmothers Ukrainian village on it, when no other >resource had. It's worth a try, so I thought I'd mention it. > >http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp > >This is also a handy village name resource. > >http://www.feefhs.org/links/banat/townban.html > >One other resource is > >http://www.dvhh.org/banat/village/index.htm > > >Cathy Deschu in dark, windy 27º Pennsylvania (we're having a heat wave) > >--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Robert Evensen <revensen@comcast.net> wrote: > >From: Robert Evensen <revensen@comcast.net> >Subject: [BANAT-L] John Leks >To: "'Banat List'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:02 PM > >In a 1942 US Draft registration, John Leks lists his birth place as >Robtbach, Romania. Any guess as to where that is? His wife is born in >Großjetscha. > >Robert Evensen > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message

Robert: Definitely a rapid response. I'm dashing out the door now to my local FHC library. I'll look for these records which would include the same time frame as my family. I'm noticing most Hungarians attended St. Emeric, Holy Trinity, St. Hedwig and Holy Rosary churches. My grandparents lived in the Glen Park neighborhood of Gary which had a large concentration of Hungarians, Poles and Russians. I'll give you a status of my findings later today or tomorrow. Regards, Mark in Tampa

Robert: I haven't closely followed most recent details of your Leks family search until I noticed Gary, Indiana. My family has lived in the area since 1917, my grandmother was from the Nagy Kikinda/KisOrosz region, and grandfather from Bokod, Komarom county. I'm currently viewing most of the Gary church films finding all my relatives. If you have names (with possible variations) and time frames, I'll be glad to watch for them. Your quick response would be appreciated, a couple films are due for return soon. The films include records from a couple church in East Chicago. Regards, Mark in Tampa, Florida

They were living in Gary, Lake, Indiana. I found Elisabetha Ott arriving in America on 25 Sept 1905 on the boat Hamburg. I haven't been able to find John Leks arriving, although the 1920 census shows him arriving in 1903. I found the name Lech in Großjetscha, but I can't find Johann born 5 Jan 1886. Another interesting fact is Elisabetha is visiting her brother Friedrich Ott in St. Louis. According to the Ortssippenbuch Großjetcha she doesn't have a brother Friedrich. However, there are two major gaps in years, so perhaps another brother was born that is not listed. Two other brothers emigrate to St. Louis and Chicago. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Bratsko To: 'Banat List' ; Robert Evensen Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] John Leks Robert, Where were they living in the USA ? Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Evensen To: 'Banat List' Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:02 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] John Leks In a 1942 US Draft registration, John Leks lists his birth place as Robtbach, Romania. Any guess as to where that is? His wife is born in Großjetscha. Robert Evensen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert, Where were they living in the USA ? Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Evensen<mailto:revensen@comcast.net> To: 'Banat List'<mailto:BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:02 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] John Leks In a 1942 US Draft registration, John Leks lists his birth place as Robtbach, Romania. Any guess as to where that is? His wife is born in Großjetscha. Robert Evensen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cathy, Thanks for all the sites and help. The name Robtbach is very clear on the registration record. In fact it is printed in block letters, so there is no mistaking a European or Gothic script. I went to Dave's site on Banaters to the US and found no one with the name Leks. Now this is very strange. Even in Ancestry.com it is a rather unusual name as spelled. There are several families with the name from Poland, but his record says Romania and he is married to a woman from Großjetscha. I can only assume the spelling is some variant of the original German. To make the problem more interesting. John Leks's wife is Elisabetha Ott, daughter of Michael Ott and Barbara Lambing of Großjetscha. In the FB Großjetscha, Hans Wikete does not know what happened to Elisabetha, so there is only a birth date. I found her emigration record from Hamburg on 14 Sep 1906. I don't believe she is listed yet on Dave's list. As soon as I find her American landing, I will report it to him. So I am feeling comfortable that John Leks is from Romania. What village is still the question! Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Deschu" <cjdeschu@yahoo.com> To: "Banat List" <banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] John Leks I thought I'd mention 3 sites which are helpful finding village names. Sadly in Robert's case, I found no Robtbach. There is a family name similar .. Rohrbach. Perhaps it is something like that. Transcribing from old handwriting can be very tough. While searching Ellis Island for my grandparents, there was no one on the list with the village I knew they came from in the sites initial search results. But when I actually looked at the real transcript, I could see the Ellis Island transcriber had mistaken the 2 first letters for something totally different. Another thing I learned is if something "sounds" the same it often is the same, despite their spelling variation. I've found at least 10 different speilings for Deschu. So give yourself a little flexibility when searching. Here are the links for the 3 sites that might help others .. and even Robert. There is an online resource for finding villages. It identifies itself as being for Jewish researchers, but most villages were not only Jewish. It will find villages with similar spellings or sound throughout eastern Europe. I found my grandmothers Ukrainian village on it, when no other resource had. It's worth a try, so I thought I'd mention it. http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp This is also a handy village name resource. http://www.feefhs.org/links/banat/townban.html One other resource is http://www.dvhh.org/banat/village/index.htm Cathy Deschu in dark, windy 27º Pennsylvania (we're having a heat wave) --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Robert Evensen <revensen@comcast.net> wrote: From: Robert Evensen <revensen@comcast.net> Subject: [BANAT-L] John Leks To: "'Banat List'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:02 PM In a 1942 US Draft registration, John Leks lists his birth place as Robtbach, Romania. Any guess as to where that is? His wife is born in Großjetscha. Robert Evensen

In a 1942 US Draft registration, John Leks lists his birth place as Robtbach, Romania. Any guess as to where that is? His wife is born in Großjetscha. Robert Evensen

I thought I'd mention 3 sites which are helpful finding village names.  Sadly in Robert's case, I found no Robtbach.  There is a family name similar .. Rohrbach.  Perhaps it is something like that.  Transcribing from old handwriting can be very tough.  While searching Ellis Island for my grandparents, there was no one on the list with the village I knew they came from in the sites initial search results.  But when I actually looked at the real transcript, I could see the Ellis Island transcriber had mistaken the 2 first letters for something totally different.  Another thing I learned is if something "sounds" the same it often is the same, despite their spelling variation.  I've found at least 10 different speilings for Deschu.  So give yourself a little flexibility when searching. Here are the links for the 3 sites that might help others .. and even Robert. There is an online resource for finding villages.  It identifies itself as being for Jewish researchers, but most villages were not only Jewish.  It will find villages with similar spellings or sound throughout eastern Europe.  I found my grandmothers Ukrainian village on it, when no other resource had.  It's worth a try, so I thought I'd mention it.       http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp This is also a handy village name resource.        http://www.feefhs.org/links/banat/townban.html One other resource is       http://www.dvhh.org/banat/village/index.htm Cathy Deschu in dark, windy 27º Pennsylvania (we're having a heat wave) --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Robert Evensen <revensen@comcast.net> wrote: From: Robert Evensen <revensen@comcast.net> Subject: [BANAT-L] John Leks To: "'Banat List'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:02 PM In a 1942 US Draft registration, John Leks lists his birth place as Robtbach, Romania.  Any guess as to where that is?  His wife is born in Großjetscha. Robert Evensen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dave, you said there was no heimatbuch for Nokovo ..Nakodorf Sellesch is the same village (reportedly the name the residents used themselves).  There is an online Familenbuch for Sellesch. http://www.banaterheide.de/fambuch/sellesch/NAMREG.HTM I don't recall who you were responding to, but this might help them. Cathy Deschu in eastern cold but warming up Pennsylvania

Dear Banat, My email address changed about 3 years ago from KenMargaretBures@aol.com to Bures@att.net Anyway, please take me off of your mailing list at this time. Margaret Bures -----Original Message----- From: banat-request@rootsweb.com To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Jan 12, 2010 3:02 am Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 17 Today's Topics: 1. The Forgotten Genocide Documentary - Hotel reservation, St. Louis, MO (Rosina T Schmidt) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:52:13 -0800 rom: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> ubject: [BANAT-L] The Forgotten Genocide Documentary - Hotel reservation, St. Louis, MO o: <Banat@rootsweb.com> essage-ID: <11A14A48D64F447FA7352F68BA71129E@odChrisi> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings Friends of "The Forgotten Genocide" Documentary, If you have not already recieved this information, attached are three important ocuments about the weekend of the conference. One is the main itinerary and asic schedule for the weekend of February 25-27. The other two are booking nstructions for the hotel rooms that we have reserved for that weekend. We ope to see you all in February! dam Groerich and "The Forgotten Genocide" Documentary film group. Booking Instructions: Re: St. Louis Community College/The Lost Genocide 11333 Big Bend Kirkwood, MO 63122 A block of rooms has been reserved at the Holiday Inn Southwest/Viking. Reservations can me made by calling the hotel directly at (800) 682-6338. Please sk for the in-house reservations department & identify yourself as part of St. ouis Community College Meramec to receive the group rate of $94.00. T Cut-off date for reservations is January 27, 2010. Holiday Inn Southwest & Viking Conference Center 0709 Watson Road St. Louis, MO 63127 (314) 821-6600 or (800) 682-6338 Complimentary Shuttle is offered between the college campus and the hotel during a.m. and 10 p.m. Arrangements must be made no later than 2 weeks before date f transportation needed. Outside of regular hours will be offered at nominal ee to be determined. ----------------------------- To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to ANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to ANAT@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com ith the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of he mail with no additional text. nd of BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 17 ***********************************

Jean; Typically such lists are found in the villagae Heimatbuch. However, so far as I can determine, there is no Heimatbuch for Nakodorf. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean F. Stoeber" <Ocedar1@bellsouth.net> To: "'Dave Dreyer'" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:38 AM Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] World War I deaths in Heufeld/Massdorf > Dave - does a list exist for Nakovo, Hungary? Jean Stoeber > > -----Original Message----- > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:43 PM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] World War I deaths in Heufeld/Massdorf > > > > The Heufeld/Massdorf Heimatbuch, by Gerhardt et al. does NOT contain a > list > of those from these two villages who died in World War I > Does anyone have a list of these casualties? > Dave Dreyer > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > >

Greetings Friends of "The Forgotten Genocide" Documentary, If you have not already recieved this information, attached are three important documents about the weekend of the conference. One is the main itinerary and basic schedule for the weekend of February 25-27. The other two are booking instructions for the hotel rooms that we have reserved for that weekend. We hope to see you all in February! Adam Groerich and "The Forgotten Genocide" Documentary film group. Booking Instructions: Re: St. Louis Community College/The Lost Genocide 11333 Big Bend Kirkwood, MO 63122 A block of rooms has been reserved at the Holiday Inn Southwest/Viking. Reservations can me made by calling the hotel directly at (800) 682-6338. Please ask for the in-house reservations department & identify yourself as part of St. Louis Community College Meramec to receive the group rate of $94.00. T Cut-off date for reservations is January 27, 2010. Holiday Inn Southwest & Viking Conference Center 10709 Watson Road St. Louis, MO 63127 (314) 821-6600 or (800) 682-6338 Complimentary Shuttle is offered between the college campus and the hotel during 7 a.m. and 10 p.m. Arrangements must be made no later than 2 weeks before date of transportation needed. Outside of regular hours will be offered at nominal fee to be determined.

Hello, In regards to the Till name, my father mentions a Till family in the Baltimore area in his autobiography. Don't know if this information is of use to you, but the Tills had a small farm in English Counsel (near Baltimore, Severn, MD) about 1920. My father's father hired John Till, age 16, to work in his grocery in Locust Pt., Baltimore, MD. My father visited the farm and had these comments: "I got well acquainted with John’s folks, especially his brother, Martin, and sister Anna. I spent a good part of that summer at their place. I liked to help harness and hitch the horse to the buggy. They drove the buggy to deliver milk to their customers in English Counsel. The mother milked the cow and strained the milk. Anna’s job was to clean bottles and help fill them. Martin’s job was delivering. We picked a bushel basket of cherries and took them to my father’s store and he sold them. It was at the Till’s farm where I spent a good deal of my time swimming in the pond nearby." (The Till father worked as a machinist in West Port, MD. He was a friend of my grandfather's and was from the same province in the "old country". My grandfather, John Hovaker, was from Gyarmata, Temes. Temesvar. He came to Baltimore about 1904.) Please contact me if anyone has knowledge of these folks living in the Baltimore area in the early 1900's: Hovaker, Holzinger, Schwiegerath, Kraushaar, Szendef, Kruger, Krieger _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/

Rosina, Many thanks for this information. Though so much was destroyed, yet there is hope. Deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> To: <Banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] passport for nonBanaters & emigration > Deborah, > > All the official documentations older than 100 years are to be found in > the > archives of the individual province, state, etc. > > When dealing with Europe, please remember that during the WWI and WWII > many > archives have been bombed, burned or such and much of the history of the > land and people was destroyed for ever. > > The main archives of Hungary are in Budapest. Each province has also its > own > archives. > > Rosina > www.hrastovac.net > > > > >> Hello Dave and Louisa, >> >> Who has the Hungarian government's passport documentation at present? >> Our >> family does not have any of the passports so does an archives in Europe >> have >> them? Are the health examination records at the ports of departure still >> extant? >> >> Deborah >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Deborah - I'm sorry but I don't know anything about that. I happened to know from a rumor in my family that my grandfather had no passport or papers. Louisa On Jan 10, 2010, at 11:08 AM, flaowens wrote: Hello Dave and Louisa, Who has the Hungarian government's passport documentation at present? Our family does not have any of the passports so does an archives in Europe have them? Are the health examination records at the ports of departure still extant? Deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louisa Livingston" <l-livingston@nyc.rr.com > To: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Cc: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] question about passport for nonBanaters & emigration > Thank you, Dave. I really appreciate your comprehensive and quick > response. Louisa > On Jan 4, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Dave Dreyer wrote: > > Louisa; > It is my understanding that passports were not required for > departures from Antwerp, Rotterdam or North Sea ports prior to World > War I. This is not to say that there were not other restrictions. > In order to leave legality from Hungary, especially for men of > military age a passport was required. Moreover, there were health > checks for immigrants traveling through Germany. The authorities did > not want a lot of people piling up at ports of departure who had > gotten that far and then couldn't pass the health examination just > before boarding the ship. Many of these would have been destitute > without money to return home and then have become a problem for the > local authorities. This was certainly a complaint on the part of > the Hungarian government who had to deal with some of their > nationals who were destitute in Hamburg or Bremen. The health > examination was fairly strict at the port of departure by the > shipping lines since if immigrants were rejected at Ellis Island the > shippi! > ng line had to return them to the port of departure at the expense > of the shipper. Of course, if you were Hungarian or Russian then > you were on your own when you were returned to Hamburg or Bremen and > if without funds a unwelcome problem for the respective governments. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louisa Livingston" <l-livingston@nyc.rr.com > > > To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:23 PM > Subject: question about passport for nonBanaters & emigration > > >> Hello David. I was interested in what you wrote in your >> extractions for the Banaters traveling in the early 1900's from >> Antwerp. My grandfather travelled on the Kroonland from Antwerp >> in 1903 to NYC. However, he was from Warsaw and came without >> papers or passport. Notwithstanding difficulties he probably had >> getting out of Warsaw (especially since he was Jewish and declared >> it at customs), my question is: At that time, could anyone who >> could pay for their passage from Antwerp then board the ship? Or >> was it only the Banaters and perhaps other more local people able >> to travel without papers? >> >> Thank you for any information. I'm very curious about the whole >> process and have not seen this particular part written up. >> >> Louisa R. Livingston >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello Dave and Louisa, Who has the Hungarian government's passport documentation at present? Our family does not have any of the passports so does an archives in Europe have them? Are the health examination records at the ports of departure still extant? Deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louisa Livingston" <l-livingston@nyc.rr.com> To: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Cc: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] question about passport for nonBanaters & emigration > Thank you, Dave. I really appreciate your comprehensive and quick > response. Louisa > On Jan 4, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Dave Dreyer wrote: > > Louisa; > It is my understanding that passports were not required for departures > from Antwerp, Rotterdam or North Sea ports prior to World War I. This is > not to say that there were not other restrictions. In order to leave > legality from Hungary, especially for men of military age a passport was > required. Moreover, there were health checks for immigrants traveling > through Germany. The authorities did not want a lot of people piling up at > ports of departure who had gotten that far and then couldn't pass the > health examination just before boarding the ship. Many of these would > have been destitute without money to return home and then have become a > problem for the local authorities. This was certainly a complaint on the > part of the Hungarian government who had to deal with some of their > nationals who were destitute in Hamburg or Bremen. The health > examination was fairly strict at the port of departure by the shipping > lines since if immigrants were rejected at Ellis Island the shippi! > ng line had to return them to the port of departure at the expense of the > shipper. Of course, if you were Hungarian or Russian then you were on > your own when you were returned to Hamburg or Bremen and if without funds > a unwelcome problem for the respective governments. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louisa Livingston" > <l-livingston@nyc.rr.com> > To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:23 PM > Subject: question about passport for nonBanaters & emigration > > >> Hello David. I was interested in what you wrote in your extractions for >> the Banaters traveling in the early 1900's from Antwerp. My grandfather >> travelled on the Kroonland from Antwerp in 1903 to NYC. However, he was >> from Warsaw and came without papers or passport. Notwithstanding >> difficulties he probably had getting out of Warsaw (especially since he >> was Jewish and declared it at customs), my question is: At that time, >> could anyone who could pay for their passage from Antwerp then board the >> ship? Or was it only the Banaters and perhaps other more local people >> able to travel without papers? >> >> Thank you for any information. I'm very curious about the whole process >> and have not seen this particular part written up. >> >> Louisa R. Livingston >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Günter, I checked to see if there was microfilm for Tevel, but you will note that the microfilm begins in 1743, and the church was in operation since the 1720's.  The missing records are from the 1720's - 1742, and this is the time period my Leonhard/Johann Leonhard was born.  Henry Fischer thinks that these very early records are being held somewhere for sake keeping, but he does not know where.  I agree that I should consider the background of Leonhard’s first wife, but there is no surname for her.  She is mentioned only once in a death record.  From this record I learned that she was a much older woman.  I suspect that Leonhard married her on the way to the Banat or in another place in the Banat.   Thank you for the look-up.  Both you and Hans Grimm Jr. have been very helpful to me. Günter, would you know if Franz Teufel is still alive?  I have found information he posted online a while ago.  There is a mailing address listed, but I do not know if it is current.  I think he might have a son.  I would like to write to Franz or his son directly.   Sincerely, Cathy Teufel O’Neill

Helen...   I should have mentioned that the Gimpl in question (g220) is Karl who is my gggg-grandfather.....I have a ton of Gimpl/Gimpel/Gimbel descendant information on my Tree Ken Christie (njgcards@yahoo.com) 112 Indigo Cove Kyle, TX 78640 --- On Sat, 1/9/10, helen <helen@dubas.org> wrote: From: helen <helen@dubas.org> Subject: [BANAT-L] Roll Call To: banat@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 10:01 AM Roll Call  2010 Remich, Uivar/ Gross Jetscha/Szollos need parents of Antonio Remich 1816-1820- died 1896 GJ Römich, Gross Jetscha – my line descends from Michael Romich who was son of Antonio Mutter, Gross Jetscha – Jacobus Mutter 1738-1810  need his father, Joseph Ott, Gross Jetscha – have back to Ruppertus Ott 1729-1789GJ – need his father Wingeron/Vingero, GJ –gggrandfather Mathias 1817-1866 need back to Pierre Vignoron Gimpel, Jochem, Hu,– Gross Jetscha - Maier - Perjamosch Schneider, – Mercidorf – Jacob 1864-1932 – need his parents Berg – Mercidorf – Magdalena 1876-1961 – need father, Jacob? Stahl– Bogarosch/Lowrin – Mathias 1807 (lowrin) 1865+ Bogarosch – need his parents Bucher –Bogarosch/Lenauheim Christian 1790 (Lenauheim) 1859+ Bo, need father Mathias Laub – Bogarosch – Peter 1804-1857 – need his parents Beringer/Biringer/Piringer, – Bogarosch Johan 1745-1828 – need his parents Nischbach, Neubeschnowa/Niederkahl –Mathias 1716 (Niederkahl)–1786+Neu need his father Joh.Peter Nischbach Gille/Giele, Mary/Marianna abt.1877 –my ggrandmother – need further back to father of Johan Gill 1812-1856 Weber, Wersching, Kurtz, Lang, Ludwig, Neubeschowna Dubas, Philip and Eva Bida from the Ukraine but spent some time in Germany Regards, Helen Remich Dubas helen@dubas.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message