Bonsoir Cathy, I am very interested; I am a frequent user of FB of "french villages" in Banat, looking for my cousins there (GRIFFATON, LEFORT, GUENARDE, HAMANT, LAURENT, ADAM, VILLER, REGNIER, DEHAND, etc...) But, as I don't speak german (and I do have a bad english), these abbreviations are always difficult for me. Thanks in advance, Daniel HILAIRE Bordeaux PS : Is your name with french origin ? PS2 : At the moment I am working in Bishkek where usually there is a lot of snow during winter; but nothing this year ! > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:54:17 -0800 > From: cjdeschu@yahoo.com > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BANAT-L] abbreviations and symbols > > Over the years, I've developed (with lots of help) a sort of glossary of Banat abbreviations and symbols. It's quite long, so rather than try to email it to the list in pieces, I'll email it in total to anyone interested. > > Cathy Deschu in eastern Pennsylvania - > waiting for 4th snowstorm this month - good thing I like snow > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail : une messagerie fiable avec la protection anti-spam performante de Microsoft https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Thanks Fran for this information ... especially about the danger for the storks when they nest in Electric line poles -- well, build their nests at the top of the poles. An interesting situation exists where I live on the Jersey Shore. Before the advent of satellites, etc. long distance telephone lines were laid on the floor of the ocean. Most of these Long Lines came into an area called Ocean Gate, New Jersey. Years ago, AT&T deeded the property to the town as they no longer needed it for telecommunication. However, they never removed the telephone poles. Some long time residents call it jokingly a telephone pole farm -- there are dozens of poles. It looks comical and some of us would like to remove the poles -- but the town does not want to pay for that removal. So the farm stands as it is ..... and these poles have become nesting areas for Ospreys. However, since these birds are territorial in nature they really don't need all those poles -- it would be sufficient to leave a reasonable number for their nesting purposes. It is too bad that in Europe the power companies do not erect poles that would attract the storks for nesting purposes .... that way it is more likely the electric line poles would not be disturbed and the birds would be safer. Probably would be less expensive for the power companies to do this too -- rather than have to repair any damage done by the storks .... and the people who love these birds would be happier too. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: Fran Matkovich To: Susan Williams ; Banat Mailing List Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: More Stork Info and Photo Stork nest on a roof: http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2159232470042192006LiKwla http://ciconia.bspb.org/linkowe/Bull1%20Serbia.pdf

Stork nest on a roof: http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2159232470042192006LiKwla http://ciconia.bspb.org/linkowe/Bull1%20Serbia.pdf

Hello Leah, I live in Mt Angel and have attended all of the Donauschwaben conferences held here. Give me phone call if you want more details on past conferences or the one for this year. I am in phone book. Ray Borschowa On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Rosina T Schmidt <rosinats@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hello Leah, > > Of course the best event at Mt. Angel for us Donauschwaben is our > conference! > > However, if your escort would rather enjoy the towns festivities, there is > much to do and see at Mt. Angel's Octoberfest besides the Beer Halls: > > Thursday: http://www.mtangel.org/ofestfiles/thursday.html > Friday: http://www.mtangel.org/ofestfiles/friday.html > Saturday: http://www.mtangel.org/ofestfiles/saturday.html > Sunday: http://www.mtangel.org/ofestfiles/sunday.html > > Hope you can join us! > > Rosina > www.hrastovac.net > > > > Rosina - > > Tell me a little about what goes on at Mt. Angel. I have lived here > for years and never knew that there was anything more to Octoberfest then > drinking - shame on me. I have just found that my relatives were part of > the danube-schwabe and want to learn more. > > Thanks > > Leah Ott > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Since no one else seems to have commented, it was customary for men to be the witnesses at a marriage rather than our current custom of a man and a woman. Many times the honor of being witness to the marriage was given to the godfathers of the groom and the bride. I have seen this happen often when I read the records for my family in Glogowatz. Further, when children were born to the marriage, it was also customary for the child to be named for the his/her godparent. If that child died, the name would be used again for another child if that person was the godparent again. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luci" <lkluth@roadrunner.com> To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:36 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Fw: abbreviations > According to the Molidorf Family Book TZ means witness of marriage... > Luci > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <hiriseguy@email.com> > To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:05 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] abbreviations > > >> >> In the new FB for Deutsch Zerne the list of abbreviations is almost >> complete. There are a few missing ones, but I have been able to decipher >> all but one. >> After the marriage info (vh) there is (led., led., TZ and 2 names) >> I know the 2 led means that both partners were never married before. >> >> What does TZ stand for? >> If they are witnesses, why are they always men? >> >> I figured that ab is the emigration date >> I use translation web pages to figure out occupations. >> All else is easy to understand. >> >> Dick Barak >> St Francis, MN >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Would any one be so kind as to tell me where ARADON is located? Is this the same as ARAD or is it a different location? Regards, Robyn

Can I please change my subscription from my email to my husbands which is jmohaupt@jetbroadband.com . Thank you, Anniemo -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:37 PM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 59 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Roll Call: KRAEMER from Jahrmarkt (Fran Matkovich) 2. info on Mt. Angel conference Sep. 16-19th (Rosina T Schmidt) 3. Reunion Software (Diane Lott) 4. Re: Ellmer Family (Dave Dreyer) 5. Re: Reunion Software (Daniel HILAIRE) 6. Re: Reunion Software (hiriseguy@email.com) 7. Appreciation of Danube Swabian's Contributors (Rosina T Schmidt) 8. abbreviations (hiriseguy@email.com) 9. Fw: abbreviations (Luci) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:23:10 -0500 From: "Fran Matkovich" <mjm1021@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Roll Call: KRAEMER from Jahrmarkt To: "Eric Benshetler" <Penn77@comcast.net>, <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Cc: 'Rick and Jeanette Bachmann' <bachmannfamily@att.net> Message-ID: <13B1A59AC77640FE89E72CCBE5BB59CF@FranPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original This is another possible email address for Laura McCollum: mccollumlaura@hotmail.com . KR?MER/KRAEMER/KREMER also appear in the Hatzfeld Familienbuch. The town of Hatzfeld was settled in 1766, earlier than some of the other villages. The names also exist in Deutsch Zerne. HENIKA also exists in Hatzfeld and Deutsch Zerne. Let me know if you would like a lookup in the Hatzfeld Familienbuch. Fran Matkovich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Benshetler" <Penn77@comcast.net> To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Cc: "'Rick and Jeanette Bachmann'" <bachmannfamily@att.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Roll Call: KRAEMER from Jahrmarkt > KRAEMER - Jahrmarkt, Warjasch Rick- Around 2005, Laura McCollum on this list was researching KRAEMER/KR?MER. Below is the information I saved from her e-mail. I'm not sure if the e-mail address is still current. The "I" in the text below is Laura, not me. You might see if you can reach her. (My paternal grandfather came from Jahrmarkt.) --- Eric >>>>>>> Laura McCollum peppermill@hdtinfo.com - 22 Mar 2005 HANNKER/HENNIKA, KRAEMER/KR?MER, BLASY I am researching this Village because of this entry: KRAEMER Peter -[K656]- Age: 41 -From: Jahrmarkt -DtAr: Thursday, 12 Sep 1907 - To: Baltimore, MD -Via: Bre/Bal -Ship: Rhein -Note: Accompanied by wife, Anna 39 and daughter, Anna 17, all born in Jahrmarkt. Bro-in-law, Christof Hannker, lives in Jahrmarkt. Going to join son-in-law, Johann Blasy. I know there are Kraemers who came to America that are related as my grandfather has talked to me regarding them. He is a HENNIKA - Christof Hannker must be one of his fathers (my G-Grandfathers) brothers. <<<<<<<< -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rick and Jeanette Bachmann Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 9:30 AM To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Roll Call Dear List Here is my roll call for the Banat: BACHUSZ / BACHUS / PAKACZ / BACKES / PACKES - Lenauheim, Warjasch FETER - Lowrin FREY / FREI - Lowrin, Warjasch GELLERT - Gottlob HENDLE - Lowrin KOENIG - Perjamosch, Warjasch KRATOCHVILL / KRATOFILL / GRADOVILL - Bogarosch, Lenauheim KRAEMER - Jahrmarkt, Warjasch MOOR - Warjasch SARTORIUS - Warjasch, Perjamosch, Jahrmarkt, Bachem SCHMID - Warjasch SCHREINER - Gottlob TITTENHOFER / TITTANHOFER / DIEDENHOFER - Gottlob, Warjasch If anyone is working any of those names and has information on any of them, please let me know! Thanks very much! Rick ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:31:43 -0800 From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> Subject: [BANAT-L] info on Mt. Angel conference Sep. 16-19th To: <Banat@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8FAC82A5CBE9446BB746DBBA4747DC08@odChrisi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Leah, Hello Dick, It will be a pleasure to meet you at Mt. Angel this September 16th-19th as well. Our Webmaster did not have the opportunity yet to update our www.dsheritage.com website, unfortunately, but the location will be the same and the program will have similar content. Go ahead and book your rooms at Keizer Renaissance Inn by mentioning the 'Danube Swabian' or 'Banat' Group. Our Danube Swabian conference is not a part of Mt. Angel's Oktoberfest celebrations, but our worthy 'fathers' chose this location for our yearly meeting, so we would have the opportunity to explore a real, old-fashioned German style fall festival at the same time. Am glad you are planning to attend. Rosina www.hrastovac.net ----- Original Message ----- From: hiriseguy@email.com I bet you can give me the details on the Mt Angel meeting this year. How, when, lodging etc. It would be nice to meet you, Dave Dreyer and all. Dick Barak St Francis, MN ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:42:42 -0800 From: Diane Lott <jefflott01@cox.net> Subject: [BANAT-L] Reunion Software To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5E3B4541-4815-4BE4-97BD-9F74FA9207BA@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Are you pc or Apple? I am Apple and use Reunion 9 and love it. Diane Lott ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:53:58 -0800 From: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Ellmer Family To: "Barbara" <piperbug3@cox.net> Cc: Banat List <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <ED03152C783E496B822C1BB72786C8D8@D99J3Q21> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Barbara; Pasted below is part of the Elmer data from the Josefsdorf records. ELMER Nikolaus, son of Josef ELMER and Margaretha KLEMM HN 306 *6 Dec 1859 Stanischitz/Batschka +25 Feb 1930 Josefsdorf oo 3 Jan 1883 Josefsdorf BICHLER(BUCHLER) Magdalena, dau of Martin BICHLER and Anna BECKER HN 52 *Setschan +13 Apr 1915 Josefsdorf HN 39 1 Anton *24 Jul 1884 Josefsdorf +14 Aug 1884 Josefsdorf HN 39 2 Anton *12 Sep 1885 Josefsdorf +30 Sep 1885 Josefsdorf HN 39 3 Friedrich *12 Sep 1885 Josefsdorf +22 Sep 1885 Josefsdorf 4 Veronika *22 Nov 1886 Josefsdorf oo Eduard STAUDINGER 5 Nikolaus *12 Oct 1888 Josefsdorf HN 39 +25 Nov 1888 Josefsdorf 6 Barbara *17 Oct 1889 Josefsdorf oo Josef SCHMITZ. 7 Magdalena *16 Jan 1891 Josefsdorf +2 Jul 1892 Josefsdorf HN 58 8 Katharina *12 Jan 1892 Josefsdorf oo Georg KESSELRING. 9 Anna *2 Oct 1893 Josefsdorf +1 Dec 1893 Josefsdorf 10 Nikolaus *17 Jan 1895 Josefsdorf oo Magdalena MEISSNER 11 Peter *12 Mar 1897 Josefsdorf oo Barbara BETSCHNER. To Canada 1925 12 Jakob *30 Sep 1898 Josefsdorf HN 39 oo Katharina ROOS 13 Magdalena *29 May 1901 Josefsdorf NH 39 oo Johann CESCHAN 14 Christina *1 May 1903 Gr Toplowetz oo Karl WENZEL 2oo 1 Jun 1916 Josefsdorf DICK Elisabeth, wd of Anton Georg LESSL *24 Jul 1857 Orzydorf 3oo 21 Jan 1930 Josefsdorf ANTON Franziska, widow of Heinrich WERTH *1877 Setschan, living at Josefsdorf HN 56 ELMER Peter, son of Nikolaus ELMER and Magdalena BICHLER To Canada 1925 *12 Mar 1897 Josefsdorf HN 56 +Edmonton AB Canada oo 16 May 1921 Josefsdorf BETSCHNER Barbara, dau of Josef BETSCHNER and Julianna WERTH *3 Jan 1903 Josefsdorf HN 182 Below is the entry for a Johann Elmer who was married in 1903 in Lefor. As you can see the data I have is very sketchy. Do you know who the parents are for this Johann Elmer or his wife? Do you have any other data which might tie him into the Elmers in Josefsdorf? There were Elmers living in Josefsdorf from the time of its founding until relatively recent times. ELMER Johann *1878 Hungary oo 12 Jun 1903 Lefor ND ANDOR Eva *1886 Hungary 1 Anna *1907 ND 2 Jakob *1908 ND 3 Theresia *1910 ND Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <piperbug3@cox.net> To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:49 AM Subject: Ellmer Family > > > Just saw your post on RootsWeb to a Pat Haley, June 2001 on information > for a John Ellmer. John Ellmer is my great grandfather. I emailed Pat > Haley also and hopefully the email is still current and I receive a > response. If you have any information on the Ellmer Family that you can > share, it would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you- > > B. Piper > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:06:28 +0000 From: Daniel HILAIRE <danielhilaire@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Reunion Software To: <jefflott01@cox.net>, List BANAT <banat@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <SNT123-W1EE2CE6525DBE06296F90B6410@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Same for me. Daniel HILAIRE Bordeaux, France > From: jefflott01@cox.net > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:42:42 -0800 > To: BANAT@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BANAT-L] Reunion Software > > Are you pc or Apple? > I am Apple and use Reunion 9 and love it. > Diane Lott > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail : un service de messagerie gratuit, fiable et complet https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:27:15 -0500 From: hiriseguy@email.com Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Reunion Software To: jefflott01@cox.net Cc: BANAT@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CC839E81637276-141C-92F2@web-mmc-d06.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am PC as the ads say. I found stashed away a purchased copy of Legacy, password and all. Getting old and forgetful I guess. When I moved to Windows 7 last Fall I only kept Family Origins. Going to give Legacy a try as long as I seem to have bought it already. Dick Barak St Francis, MN -----Original Message----- From: Diane Lott <jefflott01@cox.net> To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Feb 24, 2010 11:42 am Subject: [BANAT-L] Reunion Software Are you pc or Apple? am Apple and use Reunion 9 and love it. iane Lott ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:35:14 -0800 From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> Subject: [BANAT-L] Appreciation of Danube Swabian's Contributors To: <Banat@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <F0FC0ED8F9354A579FD2CF4D33C8EA94@odChrisi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" The Government of Baden-W?rttemberg gave out the culture prize for the year 2009 this past November to some great Donauschwaben for their various contributions. To: MONIKA AMBACH for her contributions to Theater, Film and Media; DR. VLADIMIR GEIGER for his uncovering of atrocities done to Danube Swabians in former Yugoslavia; STEFAN TEPPERT for his books 'Donausch?bische Anthologie'. Our congratulations to Monika, Vladimir and Stefan! Rosina www.hrastovac.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:05:54 -0500 From: hiriseguy@email.com Subject: [BANAT-L] abbreviations To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CC83B4AB7CCD6B-1B0-9ADF@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In the new FB for Deutsch Zerne the list of abbreviations is almost complete. There are a few missing ones, but I have been able to decipher all but one. After the marriage info (vh) there is (led., led., TZ and 2 names) I know the 2 led means that both partners were never married before. What does TZ stand for? If they are witnesses, why are they always men? I figured that ab is the emigration date I use translation web pages to figure out occupations. All else is easy to understand. Dick Barak St Francis, MN ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:36:46 -0500 From: "Luci" <lkluth@roadrunner.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] Fw: abbreviations To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BE21D50F037048328D63AA0D2740CE95@userbea6c6c7ba> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original According to the Molidorf Family Book TZ means witness of marriage... Luci ----- Original Message ----- From: <hiriseguy@email.com> To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] abbreviations > > In the new FB for Deutsch Zerne the list of abbreviations is almost > complete. There are a few missing ones, but I have been able to decipher > all but one. > After the marriage info (vh) there is (led., led., TZ and 2 names) > I know the 2 led means that both partners were never married before. > > What does TZ stand for? > If they are witnesses, why are they always men? > > I figured that ab is the emigration date > I use translation web pages to figure out occupations. > All else is easy to understand. > > Dick Barak > St Francis, MN > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Over the years, I've developed (with lots of help) a sort of glossary of Banat abbreviations and symbols.  It's quite long, so rather than try to email it to the list in pieces, I'll email it in total to anyone interested. Cathy Deschu in eastern Pennsylvania -      waiting for 4th snowstorm this month - good thing I like snow

Same for me. Daniel HILAIRE Bordeaux, France > From: jefflott01@cox.net > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:42:42 -0800 > To: BANAT@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BANAT-L] Reunion Software > > Are you pc or Apple? > I am Apple and use Reunion 9 and love it. > Diane Lott > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail : un service de messagerie gratuit, fiable et complet https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

According to the Molidorf Family Book TZ means witness of marriage... Luci ----- Original Message ----- From: <hiriseguy@email.com> To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] abbreviations > > In the new FB for Deutsch Zerne the list of abbreviations is almost > complete. There are a few missing ones, but I have been able to decipher > all but one. > After the marriage info (vh) there is (led., led., TZ and 2 names) > I know the 2 led means that both partners were never married before. > > What does TZ stand for? > If they are witnesses, why are they always men? > > I figured that ab is the emigration date > I use translation web pages to figure out occupations. > All else is easy to understand. > > Dick Barak > St Francis, MN > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

In the new FB for Deutsch Zerne the list of abbreviations is almost complete. There are a few missing ones, but I have been able to decipher all but one. After the marriage info (vh) there is (led., led., TZ and 2 names) I know the 2 led means that both partners were never married before. What does TZ stand for? If they are witnesses, why are they always men? I figured that ab is the emigration date I use translation web pages to figure out occupations. All else is easy to understand. Dick Barak St Francis, MN

Dick..   The marriage witnesses were usually the godfathers of the bride and groom if still living or in the area....at least that seems to be my experience in my research. Ken Christie (njgcards@yahoo.com) 112 Indigo Cove Kyle, TX 78640 --- On Wed, 2/24/10, hiriseguy@email.com <hiriseguy@email.com> wrote: From: hiriseguy@email.com <hiriseguy@email.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] abbreviations To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 4:05 PM In the new FB for Deutsch Zerne the list of abbreviations is almost complete. There are a few missing ones, but I have been able to decipher all but one. After the marriage info (vh) there is (led., led., TZ and 2 names) I know the 2 led means that both partners were never married before. What does TZ stand for? If they are witnesses, why are they always men? I figured that    ab   is the emigration date I use translation web pages to figure out occupations. All else is easy to understand. Dick Barak St Francis, MN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am PC as the ads say. I found stashed away a purchased copy of Legacy, password and all. Getting old and forgetful I guess. When I moved to Windows 7 last Fall I only kept Family Origins. Going to give Legacy a try as long as I seem to have bought it already. Dick Barak St Francis, MN -----Original Message----- From: Diane Lott <jefflott01@cox.net> To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Feb 24, 2010 11:42 am Subject: [BANAT-L] Reunion Software Are you pc or Apple? am Apple and use Reunion 9 and love it. iane Lott ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

The Government of Baden-Württemberg gave out the culture prize for the year 2009 this past November to some great Donauschwaben for their various contributions. To: MONIKA AMBACH for her contributions to Theater, Film and Media; DR. VLADIMIR GEIGER for his uncovering of atrocities done to Danube Swabians in former Yugoslavia; STEFAN TEPPERT for his books 'Donauschäbische Anthologie'. Our congratulations to Monika, Vladimir and Stefan! Rosina www.hrastovac.net

This is another possible email address for Laura McCollum: mccollumlaura@hotmail.com . KRÄMER/KRAEMER/KREMER also appear in the Hatzfeld Familienbuch. The town of Hatzfeld was settled in 1766, earlier than some of the other villages. The names also exist in Deutsch Zerne. HENIKA also exists in Hatzfeld and Deutsch Zerne. Let me know if you would like a lookup in the Hatzfeld Familienbuch. Fran Matkovich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Benshetler" <Penn77@comcast.net> To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Cc: "'Rick and Jeanette Bachmann'" <bachmannfamily@att.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Roll Call: KRAEMER from Jahrmarkt > KRAEMER - Jahrmarkt, Warjasch Rick- Around 2005, Laura McCollum on this list was researching KRAEMER/KRÄMER. Below is the information I saved from her e-mail. I'm not sure if the e-mail address is still current. The "I" in the text below is Laura, not me. You might see if you can reach her. (My paternal grandfather came from Jahrmarkt.) --- Eric >>>>>>> Laura McCollum peppermill@hdtinfo.com - 22 Mar 2005 HANNKER/HENNIKA, KRAEMER/KRÄMER, BLASY I am researching this Village because of this entry: KRAEMER Peter -[K656]- Age: 41 -From: Jahrmarkt -DtAr: Thursday, 12 Sep 1907 - To: Baltimore, MD -Via: Bre/Bal -Ship: Rhein -Note: Accompanied by wife, Anna 39 and daughter, Anna 17, all born in Jahrmarkt. Bro-in-law, Christof Hannker, lives in Jahrmarkt. Going to join son-in-law, Johann Blasy. I know there are Kraemers who came to America that are related as my grandfather has talked to me regarding them. He is a HENNIKA - Christof Hannker must be one of his fathers (my G-Grandfathers) brothers. <<<<<<<< -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rick and Jeanette Bachmann Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 9:30 AM To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Roll Call Dear List Here is my roll call for the Banat: BACHUSZ / BACHUS / PAKACZ / BACKES / PACKES - Lenauheim, Warjasch FETER - Lowrin FREY / FREI - Lowrin, Warjasch GELLERT - Gottlob HENDLE - Lowrin KOENIG - Perjamosch, Warjasch KRATOCHVILL / KRATOFILL / GRADOVILL - Bogarosch, Lenauheim KRAEMER - Jahrmarkt, Warjasch MOOR - Warjasch SARTORIUS - Warjasch, Perjamosch, Jahrmarkt, Bachem SCHMID - Warjasch SCHREINER - Gottlob TITTENHOFER / TITTANHOFER / DIEDENHOFER - Gottlob, Warjasch If anyone is working any of those names and has information on any of them, please let me know! Thanks very much! Rick ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara; Pasted below is part of the Elmer data from the Josefsdorf records. ELMER Nikolaus, son of Josef ELMER and Margaretha KLEMM HN 306 *6 Dec 1859 Stanischitz/Batschka +25 Feb 1930 Josefsdorf oo 3 Jan 1883 Josefsdorf BICHLER(BUCHLER) Magdalena, dau of Martin BICHLER and Anna BECKER HN 52 *Setschan +13 Apr 1915 Josefsdorf HN 39 1 Anton *24 Jul 1884 Josefsdorf +14 Aug 1884 Josefsdorf HN 39 2 Anton *12 Sep 1885 Josefsdorf +30 Sep 1885 Josefsdorf HN 39 3 Friedrich *12 Sep 1885 Josefsdorf +22 Sep 1885 Josefsdorf 4 Veronika *22 Nov 1886 Josefsdorf oo Eduard STAUDINGER 5 Nikolaus *12 Oct 1888 Josefsdorf HN 39 +25 Nov 1888 Josefsdorf 6 Barbara *17 Oct 1889 Josefsdorf oo Josef SCHMITZ. 7 Magdalena *16 Jan 1891 Josefsdorf +2 Jul 1892 Josefsdorf HN 58 8 Katharina *12 Jan 1892 Josefsdorf oo Georg KESSELRING. 9 Anna *2 Oct 1893 Josefsdorf +1 Dec 1893 Josefsdorf 10 Nikolaus *17 Jan 1895 Josefsdorf oo Magdalena MEISSNER 11 Peter *12 Mar 1897 Josefsdorf oo Barbara BETSCHNER. To Canada 1925 12 Jakob *30 Sep 1898 Josefsdorf HN 39 oo Katharina ROOS 13 Magdalena *29 May 1901 Josefsdorf NH 39 oo Johann CESCHAN 14 Christina *1 May 1903 Gr Toplowetz oo Karl WENZEL 2oo 1 Jun 1916 Josefsdorf DICK Elisabeth, wd of Anton Georg LESSL *24 Jul 1857 Orzydorf 3oo 21 Jan 1930 Josefsdorf ANTON Franziska, widow of Heinrich WERTH *1877 Setschan, living at Josefsdorf HN 56 ELMER Peter, son of Nikolaus ELMER and Magdalena BICHLER To Canada 1925 *12 Mar 1897 Josefsdorf HN 56 +Edmonton AB Canada oo 16 May 1921 Josefsdorf BETSCHNER Barbara, dau of Josef BETSCHNER and Julianna WERTH *3 Jan 1903 Josefsdorf HN 182 Below is the entry for a Johann Elmer who was married in 1903 in Lefor. As you can see the data I have is very sketchy. Do you know who the parents are for this Johann Elmer or his wife? Do you have any other data which might tie him into the Elmers in Josefsdorf? There were Elmers living in Josefsdorf from the time of its founding until relatively recent times. ELMER Johann *1878 Hungary oo 12 Jun 1903 Lefor ND ANDOR Eva *1886 Hungary 1 Anna *1907 ND 2 Jakob *1908 ND 3 Theresia *1910 ND Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <piperbug3@cox.net> To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:49 AM Subject: Ellmer Family > > > Just saw your post on RootsWeb to a Pat Haley, June 2001 on information > for a John Ellmer. John Ellmer is my great grandfather. I emailed Pat > Haley also and hopefully the email is still current and I receive a > response. If you have any information on the Ellmer Family that you can > share, it would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you- > > B. Piper >

Are you pc or Apple? I am Apple and use Reunion 9 and love it. Diane Lott

Hello Leah, Hello Dick, It will be a pleasure to meet you at Mt. Angel this September 16th-19th as well. Our Webmaster did not have the opportunity yet to update our www.dsheritage.com website, unfortunately, but the location will be the same and the program will have similar content. Go ahead and book your rooms at Keizer Renaissance Inn by mentioning the 'Danube Swabian' or 'Banat' Group. Our Danube Swabian conference is not a part of Mt. Angel's Oktoberfest celebrations, but our worthy 'fathers' chose this location for our yearly meeting, so we would have the opportunity to explore a real, old-fashioned German style fall festival at the same time. Am glad you are planning to attend. Rosina www.hrastovac.net ----- Original Message ----- From: hiriseguy@email.com I bet you can give me the details on the Mt Angel meeting this year. How, when, lodging etc. It would be nice to meet you, Dave Dreyer and all. Dick Barak St Francis, MN

> KRAEMER - Jahrmarkt, Warjasch Rick- Around 2005, Laura McCollum on this list was researching KRAEMER/KRÄMER. Below is the information I saved from her e-mail. I'm not sure if the e-mail address is still current. The "I" in the text below is Laura, not me. You might see if you can reach her. (My paternal grandfather came from Jahrmarkt.) --- Eric >>>>>>> Laura McCollum peppermill@hdtinfo.com - 22 Mar 2005 HANNKER/HENNIKA, KRAEMER/KRÄMER, BLASY I am researching this Village because of this entry: KRAEMER Peter -[K656]- Age: 41 -From: Jahrmarkt -DtAr: Thursday, 12 Sep 1907 - To: Baltimore, MD -Via: Bre/Bal -Ship: Rhein -Note: Accompanied by wife, Anna 39 and daughter, Anna 17, all born in Jahrmarkt. Bro-in-law, Christof Hannker, lives in Jahrmarkt. Going to join son-in-law, Johann Blasy. I know there are Kraemers who came to America that are related as my grandfather has talked to me regarding them. He is a HENNIKA - Christof Hannker must be one of his fathers (my G-Grandfathers) brothers. <<<<<<<< -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rick and Jeanette Bachmann Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 9:30 AM To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Roll Call Dear List Here is my roll call for the Banat: BACHUSZ / BACHUS / PAKACZ / BACKES / PACKES - Lenauheim, Warjasch FETER - Lowrin FREY / FREI - Lowrin, Warjasch GELLERT - Gottlob HENDLE - Lowrin KOENIG - Perjamosch, Warjasch KRATOCHVILL / KRATOFILL / GRADOVILL - Bogarosch, Lenauheim KRAEMER - Jahrmarkt, Warjasch MOOR - Warjasch SARTORIUS - Warjasch, Perjamosch, Jahrmarkt, Bachem SCHMID - Warjasch SCHREINER - Gottlob TITTENHOFER / TITTANHOFER / DIEDENHOFER - Gottlob, Warjasch If anyone is working any of those names and has information on any of them, please let me know! Thanks very much! Rick ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Leah, Of course the best event at Mt. Angel for us Donauschwaben is our conference! However, if your escort would rather enjoy the towns festivities, there is much to do and see at Mt. Angel's Octoberfest besides the Beer Halls: Thursday: http://www.mtangel.org/ofestfiles/thursday.html Friday: http://www.mtangel.org/ofestfiles/friday.html Saturday: http://www.mtangel.org/ofestfiles/saturday.html Sunday: http://www.mtangel.org/ofestfiles/sunday.html Hope you can join us! Rosina www.hrastovac.net Rosina - Tell me a little about what goes on at Mt. Angel. I have lived here for years and never knew that there was anything more to Octoberfest then drinking - shame on me. I have just found that my relatives were part of the danube-schwabe and want to learn more. Thanks Leah Ott