Good Morning to my Donauschwaben 'Cousins'! For all of you who will not be able to join us at our Mt. Angel's Treffen this September, our Anita Pare posted on the Molidorf Website a direct link where you can order 'The Forgotten Genocide' CD/DVD. http://molidorf.com/ForgottenGenocide.htm Thank you Anita!!! Many of us will appreciate it. Best regards, Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Brigitte U. Neary, the Associate Professor of Sociology Department of Social Sciences, Philosophy and History University of South Carolina Spartanburg, submitted for Presentation at the Annual Meeting of the American Sociological Association, San Francisco, CA, August 14-17, 2004: Recognition Stigma: On the Displacement of German Women from East Central Europe, 1944-1950 You can read her presentation at: http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/1/0/3/8/pages110380/p110380-1.php It is good to know that more and more 'swept under the carpets' stories come finily to light. Rosina www.hrastovac.net

I looked into my family tree records and do have a listing of a Peter Barak *15 06 1881 in Hatzfeld oo 04 02 1887 Katherine Hafler * 04 02 1887 One child is listed Nicholas Barak * 10 03 1901 Is this the family you are searching for? Laura McCollum Michigan > To: BANAT@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:01:42 -0500 > From: hiriseguy@email.com > Subject: [BANAT-L] FB Hatzfeld lookup > > > > > Peter Barak *15 06 1881 in Hatzfeld > looking for parents and siblings. > > Dick Barak > St Francis, MN > > > > = > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/

For more on Brigitte Neary, the recipient of 2009 Human rights award, whose father is from Indjija in Syrmia: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20091208/articles/912089972 Rosina www.hrastovac.net

But the Hatzfeld FB only has records through 1866, so his birth wouldn't be listed there! But possibly his parents could be listed there with a variant spelling? I took a quick look, but didn't see anything that fit. Have you seen any particular variants of the name? Bill K. In a message dated 3/4/2010 6:41:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, hiriseguy@email.com writes: Ah, the brick wall again. I know he had a brother Karl and they all emigrated and ended up in Chicago. But finding their parents has been a 20 year struggle. The new Deutch Zerne Familienbush at least lists Peter, his wife and my father. I thought perhaps the Hatzfeld Familienbush might have a listing as his birth is listed in that village. -----Original Message----- From: MarSen42@aol.com To: hiriseguy@email.com Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 8:00 pm Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] FB Hatzfeld lookup Dick -- I have the Hatzfeld cd, but there is not one Barak mentioned. Any other suggestion? Marilyn San Jose, CA In a message dated 3/3/2010 1:03:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hiriseguy@email.com writes: Peter Barak *15 06 1881 in Hatzfeld looking for parents and siblings. Dick Barak St Francis, MN = ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ah, the brick wall again. I know he had a brother Karl and they all emigrated and ended up in Chicago. But finding their parents has been a 20 year struggle. The new Deutch Zerne Familienbush at least lists Peter, his wife and my father. I thought perhaps the Hatzfeld Familienbush might have a listing as his birth is listed in that village. -----Original Message----- From: MarSen42@aol.com To: hiriseguy@email.com Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 8:00 pm Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] FB Hatzfeld lookup Dick -- I have the Hatzfeld cd, but there is not one Barak mentioned. Any other suggestion? Marilyn San Jose, CA In a message dated 3/3/2010 1:03:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hiriseguy@email.com writes: Peter Barak *15 06 1881 in Hatzfeld looking for parents and siblings. Dick Barak St Francis, MN = ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Human Rights Award 2009 by the Volksgruppe der Donauschwaben is awarded to Dr. Brigitte Neary of the University of South Carolina In Spartanburg, USA. Dr. Brigitte Neary is a German-American. Her father is a Donauschwab from Indjija in Syrmia. Donautal-Magazine wrote: "The Award Committee of the Volksgruppe der Donauschwaben e. V. has unanimously decided to honor Prof. Dr. Brigitte Neary of the University of South Carolina in Spartanburg USA with the Humans Rights Prize 2009 of the Volksgruppe der Donauschwaben e. V. The professor of Sociology and Women’s Studies is receiving the prize for her book “Women and the Expulsion”. The Donauschwaben Volksgruppe thereby acknowledges that in her book Dr. Brigitte Neary presents a fundamental work about the problems of women during and after the Second World War, as millions of people were expelled from their homeland. In this way she spotlights on both sides off the Atlantic the sociological, psychological, historical and legal aspects of this form of “ethnic cleansing” Her books “Frauen und Vertreibung” (Ares Verlag 200l8) and in the English language title ”Voices of Loss and Courage (Picton Press 2009) leads to further important questions and opens the way to further research into this subject area." Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Hello! Information on Susanne Beyer's book "Harrowing Memoir, German Woman Writes Ground-Breaking Account of WW2 Rape" can be gleaned at: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,680354,00.html Another inside of the story of our ethnic German Leidensweg. Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Peter Barak *15 06 1881 in Hatzfeld looking for parents and siblings. Dick Barak St Francis, MN =

An interesting book about our ethnic German Leidensweg: In 1945 They Were Children: Flight and Expulsion in the Life of a Generation. Author: Wagnerová, Alena. 2008. (Julie Winter, trans and ed). Picton Press. http://www.pictonpress.com/store/show/3359 or: http://www.pictonpress.com/downloads/2204-review.pdf Rosina Vancouver Island

Some info on a WWII documentary film sent to us by our Anita Pare. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1255059/Post-coloured-footage-allows-Germans-watch-war-colour-revolutionary-new-film.html Thanks Anita for sharing! Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Hi John, My Grandparents on my Fathers side came from Billed,Grossjetscha,Kathreinfeld in Romania. Nyergesujfalu in Hungary, all these towns and more had Bratsko's, Bratschko's, Pratsko's. Grandmothers maiden name was Weigang and came from Kleinsiedel in Romania. The other names I am researching are as follows Weigang Becker Kindl Buchheid Berg in Syrmia Travnek Preisinger

Hello Mt. Angel Travelers, You will be delighted to hear that at our upcoming Danube Swabian conference this September Ann Morison's "The forgotten Genocide" will be presented. There is also a possibility that Ann herself might join us, but we will know for sure closer to the date. This for sure would be a great honour to us. 'The forgotten Genocide' DVD's will also be available for purchase at our Treffen. Hope you can join us! Rosina www.hrastovac.net P.S. for room reservation: http://www.keizerrenaissanceinn.com/

Thank you for this. Although difficult to read, it is important for us as human beings to remember what we are capable of doing to one another, and to try to prevent similar horrors. But unfortunately it happens more often than we may want to admit. Consider also the so-called "comfort women" provided to Japanese soldiers during WWII, and rape of women during the Bosnian war. And while I would like to think it is not, sexual abuse of women is happening in current day wars as well. -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosina T Schmidt Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:45 PM To: Banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Gabriele Köp's Leidensweg This article is in the Spiegel magazine about an ethnic German 15 year old girl fleeing ahead of the Red Army towards West. - Not for faint of heart. Just one story of our ethnic German's Leidensweg. - Rosina http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,680354,00.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This article is in the Spiegel magazine about an ethnic German 15 year old girl fleeing ahead of the Red Army towards West. - Not for faint of heart. Just one story of our ethnic German's Leidensweg. - Rosina http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,680354,00.html

Congratulations to St. Louis Meramec College and Ann. Morison's successful film début: The forgotten Genocide! It was well received as the newspaper article confirms: http://www.calameo.com/books/00019035826304deafc3c then go to page 6 & 7 to see a full lay-out. Rosina www.hrastovac.net

At http://books.google.com/books?id=BuTVJLHi5IgC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Wanderings+of+a+journeyman+tailor+through+Europe+and+the+East&cd=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false is published Peter Diedrich HOLTHAUS's "Wanderings of a journeyman tailor through Europe and the East: during the years 1824 to 1840". Even if Holthaus was a simple tailor, his notes are most intresting [he was living in Banat from August 1829 to April 1830 and again in the autumn of 1831] /see at pages 34-50 and 59-66. S o r i n http://www.genealogy.ro/contributions.htm

At http://www.maproom.org/00/32/index.php are listed some nice maps done by HÁTSEK Ignácz, "A Magyar Szent Korona Országainak Megyei Térképei" [county maps of the Lands of the Holy Crown of Hungary], 1880. (XLVII) Torontál Megye / County (XLVIII) Temes Megye (XLIX) Krassó Megye (L) Szörény Megye S o r i n http://www.genealogy.ro/contributions.htm

Hello Ewe Elisabeth had a Daughter B-Jun.1920 she and John lived til.1939 he is on W.W.2 Reg.Form Did you know he had a Brother Jozef who came to U.S. before he did ? Good Luck George Adam(s)

The Chicago Banaters came through in a most impressive way with the necessary information to solve Uwe's problem. I am encouraged by these results to post several similar problems which have been sitting in my in-box for awhile. Perhaps, there are list subscribers who have some insight to a solution of these additional problems. First problem; Helwig Lowasz is looking for decendents of Halsdorfers who were from Mortizfeld/Banat and who settled in Buffalo NY. She would also be interested in any family trees of Halsdorfers which may have been compiled. Her message is posted below. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hedwig Lowasz To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:02 AM Subject: Halsdorfer Sehr geehrter Herr Dreyer. ich kenne die Dreyer lists- Publikationen und wende mich auf der Suche nach meinen Vorfahren" Michael Halsdorfer und Peter Halsdorfer( 1760- 1838 in Moritzfeld/ Banat und ( 1769- 1836 in Moritzfeld gestorben) an Sie. 1905 sind einige Halsdorfer nach Amerika ausgewandert. Einige befinden sich in Buffallo. Nun meine Frage an sie: gibt es in denn veröffentliche Stammbäume zu deren Vorfahren oder könnten Sie den Kontakt zu denen herstellen? Die Halsdorfer kommen aus dem Trierischen, aber ich suche vergeblich nach Spuren. Mit freundlichen Grüssen aus dem Westerwald im Rheinland- Hedwig Lowasz Second Problem Ruediger Langermann is looking for decendents of Christian Noxel, wife Mena, who are in the 1861 Canadian census, living in Welland Canada. He can be contacted at; Rüdiger Langermann. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dolores J. Barber" <djbarber@earthlink.net> To: <akdff-l@genealogy.net>; "BANAT-L BANAT-L" <banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:18 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: St. Michael's Church Chicago (was: Re: [Akdff-l]STEIN in Giseladorf und Chicago) Begin forwarded message: > From: "Dolores J. Barber" <djbarber@earthlink.net> > Date: March 1, 2010 6:15:49 AM CST > To: Uwe Detemple <u.detemple@gmail.com> > Subject: St. Michael's Church Chicago (was: Re: [BANAT-L] [Akdff-l] > STEIN in Giseladorf und Chicago) > > My apologies, Uwe. I did not know there were any others. I was > looking at the wrong one. The good news is that the FHL films for > the right one cover 1856-1973. My grandparents lived in that parish > in 1906 before later moving to St. Alphonsus parish (another German > parish). > > Here is the church's website: > > http://www.st-mikes.org/ > > The FHL entry for the church is: > Catholic Church. St. Michael (Cleveland Avenue, Chicago, Illinois) > > Google Maps may also be of some help to you in looking up addresses. > > All the best, > Dolores > > > On Feb 28, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Uwe Detemple wrote: > >> Dear Dolores, >> >> Thank you for this precious information. But which St. Michael is >> it? There is more than one in the Chicago church record list. >> >> Kind regards, >> Uwe >> >> >> 2010/2/28 Dolores J. Barber <djbarber@earthlink.net> >> 1638 Orchard St. is in St. Michael's parish. The FHL has films for >> the church records from 1903 to 1915. >> >> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlc/frameset_fhlc.asp >> >> Good luck with your research, Uwe! >> >> Dolores Jungheim Barber >> >> >> >> On Feb 27, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Dave Dreyer wrote: >> >> Uwe; >> Since Chicago was the destination of Elisabeth Stein on her >> passenger ship record I think you can assume that she lived there >> during the entire time of her arrival in 1904 until 1911 at the >> time of the birth of her kid in 1911. If the birth of the first >> kid was registered then it should be in the pilot database. As you >> well know there are almost unlimited ways to spell the surname >> Detemple. I assume you have tried all possibilities but if not you >> must exhaust this approach in the pilot database. The usual >> strategy in such cases is the following. You know the street >> address from the birth record of the second kid. In addition, you >> can get conformation of the street address from the 1910 census. >> One then finds this street, 1638 Orchard St, on a detailed street >> map of Chicago and identifies the Catholic churches in the >> neighborhood. Hopefully there is only one. Then one checks the >> FHL catalogue to see if the records of this church are on microfilm >> in Salt Lake. >> I am no expert on Chicago and undoubtly there are many Banat LIst >> subscribers who know the city well and there would be some who >> could pinpoint the church off the top of their head since the >> Banaters tended to all live in the same neighborhood. >> If the church records are not in Salt Lake then it is a big problem >> and again there may be some Banat list subscribers who have some >> insight on how to access them. >> Dave Dreyer >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Uwe Detemple >> To: Dave Dreyer >> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:00 AM >> Subject: Re: [Akdff-l] STEIN in Giseladorf und Chicago >> >> Dave; >> >> Thank your for your information. I am interested in Elisabeth * 26 >> Jan 1884, in Giseladorf?. She is imigrated 1904 in the U.S. She >> married John Ditambel from Billed. When, where? Her second child is >> born on 28.02.1911 in Cook County: >> http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#searchType >> =standard;surname=Ditambel;p=recordResults. But in which place? And >> the first child? >> >> Maybe you know where to search for more information about this >> familiy? >> >> Thank you. >> Uwe >> >> >> 2010/2/24 Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> >> >> Uwe; >> There are only a few minor differences from the Giseladorf family >> book. I include these in blue below; >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Detemple@web.de> >> To: <akdff-l@genealogy.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:43 AM >> Subject: [Akdff-l] STEIN in Giseladorf und Chicago >> >> >> Bitte um Entschuldigung für den Datensalat. Hier nun meine >> Anfrage nochmal: >> >> Im Josefsdorf Giseladorf Family Register 1882-1897 von Dave >> Dreyer wird im Teil Giseladorf folgende Familie aufgeführt: >> >> STEIN Josef HN 166 ex Tolvadia >> *1850 +19 Sep 1925 Giseladorf >> oo >> FRANZ Anna ex D Zerne >> *1856 +26 Sep 1914 Giseladorf >> >> 1 Katharine * 1881 + 2 Oct 1891 ex Giselahain >> 2 Elisabeth * 26 Jan 1884 >> 3 Marianna * 22 Jan 1887 >> 4 Anna * 29 Nov 1889 >> 5 Jakob * 6 Aug 1895 HN 151 oo Katharina Krauter *Nitzkydorf >> >> Even though the Giseladorf records says that Anna Franz was born >> in D Zerne she is not listed in the newly published D Zerne >> Familienbuch by H and A Hornung. >> Josef Michels is working on a new edition of the Giseladorf >> family book-----perhaps he will have additional data in it when it >> is published. >> Dave Dreyer >> >> >> Elisabeth wandert 1904 in die USA aus: STEIN Elisabeth [S350]- >> Age: 19 -From: Giseladorf -DtAr: Sunday, 17 Jul 1904 - To: >> Chicago, IL -Via: Ham/NY -Ship: Graf Waldersee -Note: [*26 Jan >> 1884, dau of Josef Stein and Anna Franz] (Dave Dreyer >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~banatdata/DDB/ByVillage/Giseladorf.htm) >> . >> >> Dem Ehepaar Elisabeth Stein aus Gisellafalva und John Ditambel >> aus Billet, wird am 28.02.1911 im Cook County (wahrscheinlich in >> Chicago) ein Kind geboren (es ist das zweite Kind). Das Alter der >> Mutter wird mit 26 angegeben. Das würde zu Elisabeth aus obiger >> Familie passen. >> >> Lassen sich diese Angaben aus dem später erschienenen >> Familienbuch der katholischen Pfarrgemeinde Giseladorf und Panjowa >> von Nikolaus Schramm ergänzen? >> >> Danke für eure Hilfe. >> >> Uwe (Detemple) >> >> > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message