Looking for a Jakob Braska born in Grabatz,01.07. 1805. Could also be Bratsko. Possibly in Kathreinfeld. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also looking for a Weigang family from Kistelep( Kleinsiedel ) around 1890's. Harold

Hello to all, Our Anita Pare received today a note from Marta Istvan in Banat that Banat is flooded. Too much raining, and Novi Kozarci, Rusko Selo, Banatska Topola are standing in the water. Many houses collapsed and most fields are flooded. The Oldtimers can't remember such flooding ever. Thank you Marta and Anita for letting us know. Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Hello to all, Our Anita Pare received today a note from Marta Istvan in Banat that Banat is flooded. Too much raining, and Novi Kozarci, Rusko Selo, Banatska Topola are standing in the water. Many houses collapsed and most fields are flooded. The Oldtimers can't remember such flooding ever. Thank you Marta and Anita for letting us know. Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Hi, Does anyone know for sure if we can still order from Martha Connor? The 1828 census for Torontal County. If you do can I just send her a check for 19.99 plus 6.00 for shipping? Evelyn in Michigan

Paul Fromm of cafe@canadafirst.net wrote the following article about Ann Morrison, the producer of The Forgotten Genocide documentary, which will be screened at Mt. Angel September 18th 2010. - Rosina TORONTO. June 25, 2010. American film maker Ann Morrison was in Toronto, June 24-25, filming interviews for an ambitious seven-film series to tell the story of the 16-million Germans ethnically cleansed from their traditional homelands (the Sudetenland, East Prussia, Memeland, Silesia, parts of the Ukraine, parts of Russia, northern Yugoslavia, southern Hungary and western Romania) from 1944 to 1950. Three million of the expellees were murdered; hundreds of thousands were gang raped, a matter of policy by communist Russian soldiers. Mrs. Morrison points out that she's not of German descent but actually grew up in a Polish family and community. Her film making began as a school project at St. Louis Community College. A communications assignment asked her to do an interview with someone in the community with an interesting life story. Chance led her to a Danube Schwabian (Donauschwaben) woman. Mrs. Morrison had never heard of these people who had settled in northern Yugoslavia, southern Hungary and western Romania in the middle of the 18 century after the Turkish invaders had been driven out. Austrian Empress Maria Theresa recruited German farmers to settle and develop the devastated and near empty land. Over the next two centuries, the Danube Schwabians became prosperous farmers and tradesmen. Tito's communists began a mass ethnic cleansing in 1945, killing or expelling nearly half a million ethnic Germans. One woman's story hooked Ann Morrison. Now, she was on an mission. One interview led to another, she told the monthly meeting of the Alternative Forum Friday night.. About 20 per cent of the surviving Danube Schwabians live in the U.S. Midwest, she said. She soon had interviews with 14 survivors and two historians. These interviews were woven together to produce her first film The Forgotten Genocide, which was first screened in St. Louis in February, 2010." It has since been seen in 26 states and 9 foreign countries," she explained. The film's premier screening occurred at the "Forgotten Genocide" conference hosted at St. Louis College in February. Now, Ann Morrison is expanding her focus from the Danube Schwabians to the larger issue of the 16 million German expellees. She visited Toronto to conduct interviews with eight expellees from the Toronto area and a prominent historian. More interviews will follow in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Connecticutt later this year. "College students are not shocked that this ethnic cleansing happened," she said of reaction to her film, " but that they had not been told about it. This was the largest expulsion in human history. Yet, I've been to college history departments and they've never heard of it," she explained. 'I developed a booklist of 285 titles on the expulsions. It's now grown to 678 titles. My college, St. Louis Community College (Meramec) now has one of the largest libraries on the hidden genocide." Ann Morrison hopes to have this film finished by March, 2011. Telling the story of the expellees, she says, "is all consuming. It will probably be my life's work for the next 10-15 years," she told her packed Toronto audience.

Rose; I must echo Rosina's comments. Although we get Deutsche Welle on our local TV I apparently missed the episode your refer to. I also appreciate the lead on You tube which I had never looked at. By putting Banat into the search slot I found videos already up on the 2010 Heimattag in Ulm. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Ransom Paid for Freedom of Romania's Ethnic Germans > > > Thank you Rose, > > For putting our attention to "Money for Freedom" and the Exodus of > Romania's > German-speaking Minority where through the Lawyer Heinz Guenther Huesch > Germany paid some 40 years ago around 500 million Euros to the Romanian > dictator Nicolae Ceausescu for the privilege of extracting most of 220,000 > ethnic Germans still residing in Romania. > > Not quite 10 years ago there were still 11,000 ethnic Germans > (Siebenbuerger > Sachsen and Danube Swabians) living there. Many managed later to reach the > West via a visit to Budapest, where they applied for immigration visas to > who ever wanted them. Some reached the Canadian shores in the last few > years, most of them highly educated professionals. > > Just another part of our Danube Swabian history. > > See you all in Mt. Angel come September! > > Rosina > www.hrastovac.net > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rose Vetter" <rosevetter@gmail.com> > To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:24 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Ransom Paid for Freedom of Romania's Ethnic Germans > > >> Yesterday, DW-TV, the German world news network, featured a story about >> the >> Ceausescu regime's release of about 220,000 ethnic Germans. This was by >> far >> not an act of charity, but a huge money-making scheme, at the same time >> an >> ethnic cleansing operation. >> >> Listen to the video for the full sordid story. In the "People & >> Politics" >> box click on the title "Money for Freedom - the Exodus of Romania's >> German-speaking minority" >> . >> http://www.dw-world.de/dw/episode/0,,5647235,00.html >> >> Werner Salm, who escaped from Lindenfeld, Banat as a young man, is also >> interviewed in this story. He went back to his hometown years later and >> found that it had turned into a ghost town. Below is a link to the towns >> of >> Reschitza and Lindenfeld - a tragedy. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBN74AC_xlA >> >> Rose Vetter >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Amy; I have spent a couple of hours this evening puzzling over this problem. It appears clear that there are two Johann Diniers, one born in Wiseschdia and one in Bogarosch. I think the simplest explanation is that the Johann Dinier in Alexanderhausen(e.g. the one born in Wiseschdia) had only one marriage----to Margaret Berwanger. Note that the data on Katharina Speicher in the Alexanderhausen family book is rather vague and there are no actual events which ties Katharina Speicher with the Johann Dignier of Alexanderhausenin. One doesn't know what evidence Helene Schuch had to list Kath Speicher as a second wife. The Wiseschdia family book wasn't published at the time that the Alexanderhausen family book came out but she may have based it on Wiseschdia data and since there is no marriage date given it probably came from a note in the comments column of the KB birth record of Johann Dinier which may have been misinterpreted or miss recorded. Unfortunately Katharina Frank died shortly after her Wiseschdia work was published so she can hardly be consulted in this matter Microfilm of the Wiseschdia KBs up to 1852 are available from the FHL. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> To: <banat-l@rootsweb.com>; <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] ? regarding Lenauheim and Alexanderhausen records > Hello All, > > I was wondering if someone might be able to tell me if any of the original > records for Lenauheim and Alexanderhausen are available to look at or if > anyone might have access to them? > > I think I have a bit of a mess, but I'm not sure and don't know any other > way to figure it out without seeing the original records. > > There were two Johann Dinier's (one born 1828 in Wiseschdia, the son of > Kasper Dinier and Katharina Feiler; and the other born 1832 in Bogarosch, > son of Johann Dinier and Katharina Wilhelm) that both married women named > Katharina Speicher. > > The Bogarosch Familienbuch gives the marriage date for Johann Dinier, son > of > Johann Dinier and Katharina Wilhelm, and Katharina Speicher as 13 Sept > 1858 > in Lenauheim, but gives no other information on them. Johann's first > marriage was to Barbara Krupitza. > > The online versions of the Lenauheim and Alexanderhausen Familienbuchs > both > give information on Johann Dinier, son of Kasper Dinier and Katharina > Feiler. The Alexanderhausen page shows that this Johann was first married > to Margaretha Berwanger, and then married second Katharina Speicher. It > does not give a specific date for this marriage, but shows it was around > 1873 (source?). There is one child, Kasper (born abt. 1860 in Lenauheim), > listed for this Johann and Katharina in the Alexanderhausen book and > another > daughter, Katharina (born abt. 1862 in Lenauheim), in the Lenauheim online > book. > > Because these two Johann's information is so close (both born within 4 > years > of each other and married women with the same name), it makes me think > that > maybe some assumptions were made. While I know it was not unheard of for > couples to have children before they were married, these two children seem > to fit with the first Johann's marriage date and place more so than the > second Johann's. > > I'm really trying to figure out exactly who Kasper Dinier's (abt. 1860) > parents actually were. If anyone can tell me if it's possible to access > the > original records or if there is anyone who has access to them that can > check > them, I would so appreciate knowing about it! > > Thank you so much! > Amy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Rose, For putting our attention to "Money for Freedom" and the Exodus of Romania's German-speaking Minority where through the Lawyer Heinz Guenther Huesch Germany paid some 40 years ago around 500 million Euros to the Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu for the privilege of extracting most of 220,000 ethnic Germans still residing in Romania. Not quite 10 years ago there were still 11,000 ethnic Germans (Siebenbuerger Sachsen and Danube Swabians) living there. Many managed later to reach the West via a visit to Budapest, where they applied for immigration visas to who ever wanted them. Some reached the Canadian shores in the last few years, most of them highly educated professionals. Just another part of our Danube Swabian history. See you all in Mt. Angel come September! Rosina www.hrastovac.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Vetter" <rosevetter@gmail.com> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:24 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Ransom Paid for Freedom of Romania's Ethnic Germans > Yesterday, DW-TV, the German world news network, featured a story about > the > Ceausescu regime's release of about 220,000 ethnic Germans. This was by > far > not an act of charity, but a huge money-making scheme, at the same time an > ethnic cleansing operation. > > Listen to the video for the full sordid story. In the "People & Politics" > box click on the title "Money for Freedom - the Exodus of Romania's > German-speaking minority" > . > http://www.dw-world.de/dw/episode/0,,5647235,00.html > > Werner Salm, who escaped from Lindenfeld, Banat as a young man, is also > interviewed in this story. He went back to his hometown years later and > found that it had turned into a ghost town. Below is a link to the towns > of > Reschitza and Lindenfeld - a tragedy. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBN74AC_xlA > > Rose Vetter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, I was wondering if someone might be able to tell me if any of the original records for Lenauheim and Alexanderhausen are available to look at or if anyone might have access to them? I think I have a bit of a mess, but I'm not sure and don't know any other way to figure it out without seeing the original records. There were two Johann Dinier's (one born 1828 in Wiseschdia, the son of Kasper Dinier and Katharina Feiler; and the other born 1832 in Bogarosch, son of Johann Dinier and Katharina Wilhelm) that both married women named Katharina Speicher. The Bogarosch Familienbuch gives the marriage date for Johann Dinier, son of Johann Dinier and Katharina Wilhelm, and Katharina Speicher as 13 Sept 1858 in Lenauheim, but gives no other information on them. Johann's first marriage was to Barbara Krupitza. The online versions of the Lenauheim and Alexanderhausen Familienbuchs both give information on Johann Dinier, son of Kasper Dinier and Katharina Feiler. The Alexanderhausen page shows that this Johann was first married to Margaretha Berwanger, and then married second Katharina Speicher. It does not give a specific date for this marriage, but shows it was around 1873 (source?). There is one child, Kasper (born abt. 1860 in Lenauheim), listed for this Johann and Katharina in the Alexanderhausen book and another daughter, Katharina (born abt. 1862 in Lenauheim), in the Lenauheim online book. Because these two Johann's information is so close (both born within 4 years of each other and married women with the same name), it makes me think that maybe some assumptions were made. While I know it was not unheard of for couples to have children before they were married, these two children seem to fit with the first Johann's marriage date and place more so than the second Johann's. I'm really trying to figure out exactly who Kasper Dinier's (abt. 1860) parents actually were. If anyone can tell me if it's possible to access the original records or if there is anyone who has access to them that can check them, I would so appreciate knowing about it! Thank you so much! Amy

Yesterday, DW-TV, the German world news network, featured a story about the Ceausescu regime's release of about 220,000 ethnic Germans. This was by far not an act of charity, but a huge money-making scheme, at the same time an ethnic cleansing operation. Listen to the video for the full sordid story. In the "People & Politics" box click on the title "Money for Freedom - the Exodus of Romania's German-speaking minority" . http://www.dw-world.de/dw/episode/0,,5647235,00.html Werner Salm, who escaped from Lindenfeld, Banat as a young man, is also interviewed in this story. He went back to his hometown years later and found that it had turned into a ghost town. Below is a link to the towns of Reschitza and Lindenfeld - a tragedy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBN74AC_xlA Rose Vetter

Hello Mt. Angel Travelers, Only 83 days to our Conference! The time is for sure flying.... Some of are having difficulty with registration at our nifty www.dsheritage.com pages. Hopefully by now our Webmaster guru Steve Herold is all settled down after his moving and will be able to help you with it: steveh@heroldtech.com See you all in Mt. Angel Sept. 16-19th! Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Reinholdt; One finds this family in the 1920 Milwaukee census Name Age Birthplace Kleinmaus Johann 27 Hungary Mary 26 Hungary Johann 7 Wisconsin Mary 5 Wisconsin Josef 4 Wisconsin Elisabeth 10/12 Wisconsin Katharina 18 Sister Temes Hungary One also finds another family in the 1920 Milwaukee census which may be of interest. Klein Lukacs 25 Hungary Maria 23 Hungary Maria 3 Wisconsin Kleinmaus Josef 60 father-in-law Hungary Klein Josef 28 brother Hungary The birth date of the father-in-law, fits that of the father of Johann Kleinmaus Three members of the Johann Kleinmaus family can be found in the Social Security Death Index. Kleinmaus Johann *11 Jan 1891 +Jun 1970 Vallejo California John *21 Feb 1912 +13 Mar 2001 San Francisco Calif Hermann *14 Nov 1919 +May 1983 San Leandro Calif This family obviously moved out from Milwaukee to California sometime after 1920. Karen Preston searched the California death index for Kleinmaus and finds the following data. Kleinmaus Johann *11 Jan 1891 + 21 Jun 1970 Vallejo California John *21 Feb 1912 +13 Mar 2001 San Francisco Calif Hermann *14 Nov 1919 + 23 May 1983 San Leandro Calif - mother's maiden name Fischer Also listed are: John Thomas Ambrose *23 Sep 1911 in Wisconsin, + 19 Mar 1996 San Francisco; mother's maiden name Kleinmaus Marianna F. Kleinmaus *2 Feb 1893 Hungary, +1 Feb 1971 Solano County Josef Kleinmaus *22 Nov 1915 Wisconsin, +30 Nov 1949 Alameda County, mother's maiden name Fischer Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reinholdt Lovasz" <lovaszrm@web.de> To: <akdff-l@genealogy.net> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: [Akdff-l] Bitte um Ergänzung Auswanderer USA J. A. KLEINMAUS oo M.A. FISCHER > Liebe Listenmitglieder, vielleicht kann bitte jemand die Daten aus der > USA ergnzen. > Danke, > Reinholdt Lovasz > Familienblatt fr: Johann /Andreas/ KLEINMAUS und Maria Anna FISCHER > [2284] > Erstellt am 20.06.2010 von Reinholdt Lovasz mit Gen_Plus aus Mandant: > C:\GEN_PLUSWIN\BAKOWA OFB 06.06.2010\ > Vater: > < 4506> Johann /Andreas/ KLEINMAUS, rk > * am 11.01.1891 HNr.349 in Bakowa. > ~ am 13.01.1891 in Bakowa. Quellen: TB. IV. Ba 1882-1893 Seite: > 1891/169/10. > Paten: Johann PETLA; Magdalena MLLER. > {Im Taufmatrikel ist nur Johann eingetragen !!} > Eltern: > < 4482> Josef KLEINMAUS (Kleinmausz), rk > * am 19.06.1859 in Nitzkydorf. > Wohnungen: 1884 HNr.170 in Bakowa. > 1896 HNr.372 in Bakowa. > oo [ 2089] 05.02.1884 in Bakowa mit > < 4481> Katharina KLUPP, rk > * am 27.12.1860 HNr.101 in Bakowa. > ~ am 28.12.1860 in Bakowa. Quellen: TB. II. Ba, Seite: 224/83 Paten: > Franz VEROSZTA; Marianna FLOHR. > + am 24.04.1910. > Wohnungen: 1884 HNr.169 in Bakowa. > 1896 HNr.372 in Bakowa. > [ 2284] > oo 02.05.1911 St. Joseph-church in Milwaukee Wisconsin USA. > mit > Mutter: > < 4811> Maria Anna FISCHER, rk > * am 02.02.1893 HNr.22 in Bakowa. > ~ am 02.02.1893 in Bakowa. Quellen: TB. IV. Ba 1882-1893 Seite: > 1893/211/26. > Paten: Josepha FISCHER; Anton MERINGER; > + am 01.02.1971 USA. > {FISCHER Marianna -[F260]- Age: 16 -From: Bakowa -DtAr: Wednesday, 12 > May 1909 - To: Milwaukee, WI -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Carpathia -Note: Born > in Bakowa. Father, Josef Fischer, lives in Bakowa. Going to join > bro-in-law, Johann Kuhn(?).} > Eltern: > < 4355> Josef FISCHER, rk > * am 16.10.1855 HNr.61 in Bakowa. > ~ am 17.10.1855 in Bakowa. Quellen: TB. II. Ba, Seite: 181/100 Paten: > Elisabeth WENDLING; Dominik KLUPP. > Beruf: 1880 Taglhner, Arbeiter in Bakowa. > oo [ 1140] 30.11.1880 in Bakowa mit > < 4354> Maria(nna) SZEP (Szp; Szepp, Szep), rk > * am 17.11.1855 in Bakowa HNr.109. > ~ am 17.11.1855 in Bakowa. Quellen: TB. II. Ba, Seite: 182/6 Paten: > Johann SIROKY; Maria (Anna) Anna Maria PECHTL. > + 1937 ?. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Akdff-l mailing list Akdff-l@genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/akdff-l

Dear Steve, I am also very interested in the map of Banat. I'm not sure how to pay you. Please let me know at [1]jkburnham@yahoo.com. Thanks! Best, John "We do not remember days, we remember moments." - Cesare Pavese On Jun 20, 2010, banat-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Map of Banat (Steve Herold) 2. Re: Map of Banat (Kathy Schwab) 3. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 169 (Roy Wayne Shiflet) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 07:45:46 -0700 From: "Steve Herold" <SteveDS@heroldtech.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] Map of Banat To: "Ann Hearin" <ayhearin@hotmail.com>, <banat@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5f4a9244$3101a4b1$5a186e89$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I still have around 40 maps for sale. The detail of the map is very similar to what you can see at http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp I am in the process of moving and I expect it will be a week before I provide an actual photo of the map. I've sold over 100 of these maps to a number of people on the list and I believe are quite happy with it. I know of several cases where people have framed them. They come in a mailing tube so they have not been bent, folded, etc. I also will need to re-check the sale price since the postal rates have increased in the last year.... Steve -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Ann Hearin" > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:45 AM > To: steveds@heroldtech.com > Subject: Map of Banat > > Hi Steve, > > > > Last year you offered the map of Banat for sale. Do you still have any of them? If so, would you be willing to send one to me? If you can estimate the postage to Miami, FL I would send money in advance. If it's more, I'll send whatever is needed. > > Hoping to hear from you soon. > > > > Ann Hearin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON :W L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:15:48 -0700 From: "Kathy Schwab" <wateriris@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Map of Banat To: <SteveDS@heroldtech.com>, "'Ann Hearin'" <ayhearin@hotmail.com>, <banat@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004c01cb0fd3$0fbb7290$2f3257b0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Save one for me, I am most interested in a map of the Banat. Let me know how much you want for it w/shipping. My email is wateriris@sbcglobal.net. Thank you and easy moving. Blessing, Kathy Schwab -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Herold Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 7:46 AM To: Ann Hearin; banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Map of Banat I still have around 40 maps for sale. The detail of the map is very similar to what you can see at http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp I am in the process of moving and I expect it will be a week before I provide an actual photo of the map. I've sold over 100 of these maps to a number of people on the list and I believe are quite happy with it. I know of several cases where people have framed them. They come in a mailing tube so they have not been bent, folded, etc. I also will need to re-check the sale price since the postal rates have increased in the last year.... Steve -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Ann Hearin" > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:45 AM > To: steveds@heroldtech.com > Subject: Map of Banat > > Hi Steve, > > > > Last year you offered the map of Banat for sale. Do you still have any of them? If so, would you be willing to send one to me? If you can estimate the postage to Miami, FL I would send money in advance. If it's more, I'll send whatever is needed. > > Hoping to hear from you soon. > > > > Ann Hearin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON :W L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:27:49 -0400 From: "Roy Wayne Shiflet" <rwayne724@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 169 To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001501cb0fe5$81775540$8465ffc0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I know we are have experiences in looking up shipping manifests into US ports to trace our ancestors. My great grandparent returned to their home town of Kudritz 3 times. Do anyone have an information on how to trace passenger list from the US? Neither were US citizens, so I have no passport information Roy w Shiflet -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 3:01 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 169 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Degen in Novi Banovci, Syrmia (Robin Grube) 2. Re: Good map of the Banat (Nick Tullius) 3. Re: Good map of the Banat (Glenn Schwartz) 4. Fwd: Northern Banat Map (Glenn Schwartz) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:09:36 -0700 From: Robin Grube <robinquilter@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Degen in Novi Banovci, Syrmia To: banat@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <AANLkTikX2vY8wMdPMcFFOUS_8jr2RpJkn4rqR_ps0XT-@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:23 PM, <banat-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rosina and Lydia- > Just wanted to let you know there are a lot of Degen notations from the towns of Sidski Banovci, Nijemci, and Fancovci, including Philip.The actual parish records I have, are newer, 1914-44, with these earlier mentions being in an index. Since these are jpeg "photos", I will send them to Lydia, off-list. I could look for anyone else also researching these Syrmian places, including Neudorf and Vincovci, just let me know. Robin Grube Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:58:03 -0700 > From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Degen in Novi Banovci, Syrmia & Zier in Franzfeld > To: <Banat@rootsweb.com> > Cc: tango3301@att.net > Message-ID: <5CA40994E2F14354837F6B63728586AD@odChrisi> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello Novi Banovci and Franzfeld Researchers, > > Would you be able to help Lydia Decker tango3301@att.net with her search > for: > > Philipp Degen, * 1848 in Novi Banovci, > daughter Elisabeth Degen, *31 Oct 1879 in Novi Banovci. > > Johann Zier, *24 Jul 1878 in Franzfeld, + WWI > > Many thanks, > > Rosina > www.hrastovac.net > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:29:24 -0400 From: "Nick Tullius" <ntullius@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat To: "'Peggy Miller'" <milpegg@centurytel.net>, <mpkausch@sbcglobal.net> Cc: BANAT@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP138FDA11B72B1171A69FCAB1C00@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Peggy, I have a paper version of the map shown at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html hanging on the wall. I remember buying it in 2000 at the Heimattag der Banater Schwaben. There is a beautiful map entitled "Rum?nien N?rdliches Banat und Arader Land" with bilingual (Romanian & German) names for the once German-populated localities. It was published by the H?fer Verlag (www.hoeferverlag.de) and carries ISBN 978-3-931103-4. I believe that it is also available from landsmannschaft@banater-schwaben.de in Munich for 10.90 Euros (plus packing & shipping). A simpler way of purchasing it was from Mr. Rainer Kapp in the USA. Unfortunately, I changed computers and cannot locate Rainer's address. Best regards, Nick Tullius -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Miller Sent: 17-Jun-10 18:52 To: mpkausch@sbcglobal.net Cc: BANAT@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat I appreciate the responses that I have been getting, regarding a good Banat map. I am aware of the dvhh map and I use it constantly. What I neglected to mention is that I am looking for a 'real' map. One that I can hang on my wall or use anytime. One that I can purchase. If there are others of you that know, please let me know. Thank you for all of the responses that I have received so far. Peggy mpkausch@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Denise - Thank you so much. These are excellent. > Michael Kausch > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise Sproed" <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> > To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:44 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat > > > >> My favorite map is at >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html >> >> Another site linked to that with Village Index is at >> http://www.dvhh.org/banat/village/index.htm >> >> Denise in Oregon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peggy Miller" <milpegg@centurytel.net> >> To: "DVHH Mailing List" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com>; "Banat >> Mailing list" <BANAT@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:02 PM >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat >> >> >> >>> I think this topic has been addresses in the past, but I can not seem to >>> find it. I am looking for someone who can recommend a good map of the >>> Banat area that might use both the German and Hungarian names of the >>> villages. And perhaps the current day name too? >>> Thanks, >>> Peggy Miller >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:05:54 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat To: banat@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4C1BC392.5040301@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am familiar with the yellow map that others have recommended. I bought a copy from Steve Herold a few years ago. I had it laminated and it hangs beside my desk. It is very handy. I suspect this is the one Rosina refers to that will be for sale at Mt. Angel. I also have the Northern Banat map referred to by Nick below. It is a 1:200,000 scale, so it is pretty detailed. It is also pretty large (abt 39" x 25"), so you would need a little more wall space. I am a map guy, so I love this map for the detail it shows, but not everyone is that interested in these details. It has the current names and German names of villages. Unfortunately, it only covers the northern Banat down to a Detta/Moritzfeld line. I had the pleasure to meet Guenther Philipp, the man behind this map, in Ulm this past May. He is a charming young gentleman dedicated to preserving his DS heritage. He told me that he hoped to have the southern Banat map ready this autumn. I don't have the contact info for Rainer Kapp either, but you can contact Guenther at guenther_e_philipp@yahoo.de The map was for sale for 10.90 Euros at the Ulm Treffen, but he is charging $22USD or $25 CAD to mail from Germany. I will I will forward a couple of emails to the list that add a little more detail. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 6/18/2010 9:29 AM, Nick Tullius wrote: > Peggy, > > I have a paper version of the map shown at > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html > hanging on the wall. I remember buying it in 2000 at the Heimattag der > Banater Schwaben. > There is a beautiful map entitled "Rum?nien N?rdliches Banat und > Arader Land" with bilingual (Romanian& German) names for the once > German-populated localities. It was published by the H?fer Verlag > (www.hoeferverlag.de) and carries ISBN 978-3-931103-4. > I believe that it is also available from > landsmannschaft@banater-schwaben.de in Munich for 10.90 Euros (plus packing > & shipping). > A simpler way of purchasing it was from Mr. Rainer Kapp in the USA. > Unfortunately, I changed computers and cannot locate Rainer's address. > > Best regards, > Nick Tullius > > -----Original Message----- > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Peggy Miller > Sent: 17-Jun-10 18:52 > To: mpkausch@sbcglobal.net > Cc: BANAT@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat > > I appreciate the responses that I have been getting, regarding a good > Banat map. I am aware of the dvhh map and I use it constantly. What I > neglected to mention is that I am looking for a 'real' map. One that I > can hang on my wall or use anytime. One that I can purchase. > If there are others of you that know, please let me know. > > Thank you for all of the responses that I have received so far. > Peggy > > mpkausch@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> Denise - Thank you so much. These are excellent. >> Michael Kausch >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Denise Sproed"<denisesproed@onlinenw.com> >> To:<BANAT@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:44 PM >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat >> >> >> >>> My favorite map is at >>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html >>> >>> Another site linked to that with Village Index is at >>> http://www.dvhh.org/banat/village/index.htm >>> >>> Denise in Oregon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peggy Miller"<milpegg@centurytel.net> >>> To: "DVHH Mailing List"<donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com>; "Banat >>> Mailing list"<BANAT@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:02 PM >>> Subject: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat >>> >>> >>> >>>> I think this topic has been addresses in the past, but I can not seem to >>>> find it. I am looking for someone who can recommend a good map of the >>>> Banat area that might use both the German and Hungarian names of the >>>> villages. And perhaps the current day name too? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Peggy Miller >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:06:24 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Northern Banat Map To: Banat email list <banat@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <4C1BC3B0.3050005@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed More about map. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [BANAT-L] Northern Banat Map Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:29:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Guenther Philipp <guenther_e_philipp@yahoo.de> To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Dear Banaters, please note that the Hoefer Verlag in Germany (www.hoeferverlag.de) has recently published a tourist roadmap of the Northern Banat containing all Banat villages names in the official language of the respective country (Romania, Hungary and Serbia) and in German! This is the really great feature of this map. It also has, of course, uptodate roads, railways, rivers and so on. It also shows the historic borders of the Banat. Any of you who have roots from the BANAT and would like to get one of these maps please let me know your adress and I will send you one (US$ 22 or Can$ 25, including postage). Kind regards, G?nther ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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I know we are have experiences in looking up shipping manifests into US ports to trace our ancestors. My great grandparent returned to their home town of Kudritz 3 times. Do anyone have an information on how to trace passenger list from the US? Neither were US citizens, so I have no passport information Roy w Shiflet -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 3:01 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 169 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Degen in Novi Banovci, Syrmia (Robin Grube) 2. Re: Good map of the Banat (Nick Tullius) 3. Re: Good map of the Banat (Glenn Schwartz) 4. Fwd: Northern Banat Map (Glenn Schwartz) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:09:36 -0700 From: Robin Grube <robinquilter@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Degen in Novi Banovci, Syrmia To: banat@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <AANLkTikX2vY8wMdPMcFFOUS_8jr2RpJkn4rqR_ps0XT-@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:23 PM, <banat-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rosina and Lydia- > Just wanted to let you know there are a lot of Degen notations from the towns of Sidski Banovci, Nijemci, and Fancovci, including Philip.The actual parish records I have, are newer, 1914-44, with these earlier mentions being in an index. Since these are jpeg "photos", I will send them to Lydia, off-list. I could look for anyone else also researching these Syrmian places, including Neudorf and Vincovci, just let me know. Robin Grube Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:58:03 -0700 > From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Degen in Novi Banovci, Syrmia & Zier in Franzfeld > To: <Banat@rootsweb.com> > Cc: tango3301@att.net > Message-ID: <5CA40994E2F14354837F6B63728586AD@odChrisi> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello Novi Banovci and Franzfeld Researchers, > > Would you be able to help Lydia Decker tango3301@att.net with her search > for: > > Philipp Degen, * 1848 in Novi Banovci, > daughter Elisabeth Degen, *31 Oct 1879 in Novi Banovci. > > Johann Zier, *24 Jul 1878 in Franzfeld, + WWI > > Many thanks, > > Rosina > www.hrastovac.net > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:29:24 -0400 From: "Nick Tullius" <ntullius@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat To: "'Peggy Miller'" <milpegg@centurytel.net>, <mpkausch@sbcglobal.net> Cc: BANAT@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP138FDA11B72B1171A69FCAB1C00@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Peggy, I have a paper version of the map shown at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html hanging on the wall. I remember buying it in 2000 at the Heimattag der Banater Schwaben. There is a beautiful map entitled "Rum?nien N?rdliches Banat und Arader Land" with bilingual (Romanian & German) names for the once German-populated localities. It was published by the H?fer Verlag (www.hoeferverlag.de) and carries ISBN 978-3-931103-4. I believe that it is also available from landsmannschaft@banater-schwaben.de in Munich for 10.90 Euros (plus packing & shipping). A simpler way of purchasing it was from Mr. Rainer Kapp in the USA. Unfortunately, I changed computers and cannot locate Rainer's address. Best regards, Nick Tullius -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Miller Sent: 17-Jun-10 18:52 To: mpkausch@sbcglobal.net Cc: BANAT@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat I appreciate the responses that I have been getting, regarding a good Banat map. I am aware of the dvhh map and I use it constantly. What I neglected to mention is that I am looking for a 'real' map. One that I can hang on my wall or use anytime. One that I can purchase. If there are others of you that know, please let me know. Thank you for all of the responses that I have received so far. Peggy mpkausch@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Denise - Thank you so much. These are excellent. > Michael Kausch > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise Sproed" <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> > To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:44 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat > > > >> My favorite map is at >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html >> >> Another site linked to that with Village Index is at >> http://www.dvhh.org/banat/village/index.htm >> >> Denise in Oregon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peggy Miller" <milpegg@centurytel.net> >> To: "DVHH Mailing List" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com>; "Banat >> Mailing list" <BANAT@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:02 PM >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat >> >> >> >>> I think this topic has been addresses in the past, but I can not seem to >>> find it. I am looking for someone who can recommend a good map of the >>> Banat area that might use both the German and Hungarian names of the >>> villages. And perhaps the current day name too? >>> Thanks, >>> Peggy Miller >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:05:54 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat To: banat@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4C1BC392.5040301@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am familiar with the yellow map that others have recommended. I bought a copy from Steve Herold a few years ago. I had it laminated and it hangs beside my desk. It is very handy. I suspect this is the one Rosina refers to that will be for sale at Mt. Angel. I also have the Northern Banat map referred to by Nick below. It is a 1:200,000 scale, so it is pretty detailed. It is also pretty large (abt 39" x 25"), so you would need a little more wall space. I am a map guy, so I love this map for the detail it shows, but not everyone is that interested in these details. It has the current names and German names of villages. Unfortunately, it only covers the northern Banat down to a Detta/Moritzfeld line. I had the pleasure to meet Guenther Philipp, the man behind this map, in Ulm this past May. He is a charming young gentleman dedicated to preserving his DS heritage. He told me that he hoped to have the southern Banat map ready this autumn. I don't have the contact info for Rainer Kapp either, but you can contact Guenther at guenther_e_philipp@yahoo.de The map was for sale for 10.90 Euros at the Ulm Treffen, but he is charging $22USD or $25 CAD to mail from Germany. I will I will forward a couple of emails to the list that add a little more detail. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 6/18/2010 9:29 AM, Nick Tullius wrote: > Peggy, > > I have a paper version of the map shown at > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html > hanging on the wall. I remember buying it in 2000 at the Heimattag der > Banater Schwaben. > There is a beautiful map entitled "Rum?nien N?rdliches Banat und > Arader Land" with bilingual (Romanian& German) names for the once > German-populated localities. It was published by the H?fer Verlag > (www.hoeferverlag.de) and carries ISBN 978-3-931103-4. > I believe that it is also available from > landsmannschaft@banater-schwaben.de in Munich for 10.90 Euros (plus packing > & shipping). > A simpler way of purchasing it was from Mr. Rainer Kapp in the USA. > Unfortunately, I changed computers and cannot locate Rainer's address. > > Best regards, > Nick Tullius > > -----Original Message----- > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Peggy Miller > Sent: 17-Jun-10 18:52 > To: mpkausch@sbcglobal.net > Cc: BANAT@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat > > I appreciate the responses that I have been getting, regarding a good > Banat map. I am aware of the dvhh map and I use it constantly. What I > neglected to mention is that I am looking for a 'real' map. One that I > can hang on my wall or use anytime. One that I can purchase. > If there are others of you that know, please let me know. > > Thank you for all of the responses that I have received so far. > Peggy > > mpkausch@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> Denise - Thank you so much. These are excellent. >> Michael Kausch >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Denise Sproed"<denisesproed@onlinenw.com> >> To:<BANAT@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:44 PM >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat >> >> >> >>> My favorite map is at >>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html >>> >>> Another site linked to that with Village Index is at >>> http://www.dvhh.org/banat/village/index.htm >>> >>> Denise in Oregon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peggy Miller"<milpegg@centurytel.net> >>> To: "DVHH Mailing List"<donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com>; "Banat >>> Mailing list"<BANAT@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:02 PM >>> Subject: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat >>> >>> >>> >>>> I think this topic has been addresses in the past, but I can not seem to >>>> find it. I am looking for someone who can recommend a good map of the >>>> Banat area that might use both the German and Hungarian names of the >>>> villages. And perhaps the current day name too? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Peggy Miller >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:06:24 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Northern Banat Map To: Banat email list <banat@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <4C1BC3B0.3050005@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed More about map. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [BANAT-L] Northern Banat Map Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:29:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Guenther Philipp <guenther_e_philipp@yahoo.de> To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Dear Banaters, please note that the Hoefer Verlag in Germany (www.hoeferverlag.de) has recently published a tourist roadmap of the Northern Banat containing all Banat villages names in the official language of the respective country (Romania, Hungary and Serbia) and in German! This is the really great feature of this map. It also has, of course, uptodate roads, railways, rivers and so on. It also shows the historic borders of the Banat. Any of you who have roots from the BANAT and would like to get one of these maps please let me know your adress and I will send you one (US$ 22 or Can$ 25, including postage). Kind regards, G?nther ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 169 *************************************

Save one for me, I am most interested in a map of the Banat. Let me know how much you want for it w/shipping. My email is wateriris@sbcglobal.net. Thank you and easy moving. Blessing, Kathy Schwab -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Herold Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 7:46 AM To: Ann Hearin; banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Map of Banat I still have around 40 maps for sale. The detail of the map is very similar to what you can see at http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp I am in the process of moving and I expect it will be a week before I provide an actual photo of the map. I've sold over 100 of these maps to a number of people on the list and I believe are quite happy with it. I know of several cases where people have framed them. They come in a mailing tube so they have not been bent, folded, etc. I also will need to re-check the sale price since the postal rates have increased in the last year.... Steve -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Ann Hearin" > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:45 AM > To: steveds@heroldtech.com > Subject: Map of Banat > > Hi Steve, > > > > Last year you offered the map of Banat for sale. Do you still have any of them? If so, would you be willing to send one to me? If you can estimate the postage to Miami, FL I would send money in advance. If it's more, I'll send whatever is needed. > > Hoping to hear from you soon. > > > > Ann Hearin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I still have around 40 maps for sale. The detail of the map is very similar to what you can see at http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp I am in the process of moving and I expect it will be a week before I provide an actual photo of the map. I've sold over 100 of these maps to a number of people on the list and I believe are quite happy with it. I know of several cases where people have framed them. They come in a mailing tube so they have not been bent, folded, etc. I also will need to re-check the sale price since the postal rates have increased in the last year.... Steve -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Ann Hearin" > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:45 AM > To: steveds@heroldtech.com > Subject: Map of Banat > > Hi Steve, > > > > Last year you offered the map of Banat for sale. Do you still have any of them? If so, would you be willing to send one to me? If you can estimate the postage to Miami, FL I would send money in advance. If it's more, I'll send whatever is needed. > > Hoping to hear from you soon. > > > > Ann Hearin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

More about map. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Schönherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Schüssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [BANAT-L] Northern Banat Map Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:29:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Guenther Philipp <guenther_e_philipp@yahoo.de> To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Dear Banaters, please note that the Hoefer Verlag in Germany (www.hoeferverlag.de) has recently published a tourist roadmap of the Northern Banat containing all Banat villages names in the official language of the respective country (Romania, Hungary and Serbia) and in German! This is the really great feature of this map. It also has, of course, uptodate roads, railways, rivers and so on. It also shows the historic borders of the Banat. Any of you who have roots from the BANAT and would like to get one of these maps please let me know your adress and I will send you one (US$ 22 or Can$ 25, including postage). Kind regards, Günther ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am familiar with the yellow map that others have recommended. I bought a copy from Steve Herold a few years ago. I had it laminated and it hangs beside my desk. It is very handy. I suspect this is the one Rosina refers to that will be for sale at Mt. Angel. I also have the Northern Banat map referred to by Nick below. It is a 1:200,000 scale, so it is pretty detailed. It is also pretty large (abt 39" x 25"), so you would need a little more wall space. I am a map guy, so I love this map for the detail it shows, but not everyone is that interested in these details. It has the current names and German names of villages. Unfortunately, it only covers the northern Banat down to a Detta/Moritzfeld line. I had the pleasure to meet Guenther Philipp, the man behind this map, in Ulm this past May. He is a charming young gentleman dedicated to preserving his DS heritage. He told me that he hoped to have the southern Banat map ready this autumn. I don't have the contact info for Rainer Kapp either, but you can contact Guenther at guenther_e_philipp@yahoo.de The map was for sale for 10.90 Euros at the Ulm Treffen, but he is charging $22USD or $25 CAD to mail from Germany. I will I will forward a couple of emails to the list that add a little more detail. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Schönherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Schüssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 6/18/2010 9:29 AM, Nick Tullius wrote: > Peggy, > > I have a paper version of the map shown at > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html > hanging on the wall. I remember buying it in 2000 at the Heimattag der > Banater Schwaben. > There is a beautiful map entitled "Rumänien Nördliches Banat und > Arader Land" with bilingual (Romanian& German) names for the once > German-populated localities. It was published by the Höfer Verlag > (www.hoeferverlag.de) and carries ISBN 978-3-931103-4. > I believe that it is also available from > landsmannschaft@banater-schwaben.de in Munich for 10.90 Euros (plus packing > & shipping). > A simpler way of purchasing it was from Mr. Rainer Kapp in the USA. > Unfortunately, I changed computers and cannot locate Rainer's address. > > Best regards, > Nick Tullius > > -----Original Message----- > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Peggy Miller > Sent: 17-Jun-10 18:52 > To: mpkausch@sbcglobal.net > Cc: BANAT@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat > > I appreciate the responses that I have been getting, regarding a good > Banat map. I am aware of the dvhh map and I use it constantly. What I > neglected to mention is that I am looking for a 'real' map. One that I > can hang on my wall or use anytime. One that I can purchase. > If there are others of you that know, please let me know. > > Thank you for all of the responses that I have received so far. > Peggy > > mpkausch@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> Denise - Thank you so much. These are excellent. >> Michael Kausch >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Denise Sproed"<denisesproed@onlinenw.com> >> To:<BANAT@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:44 PM >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat >> >> >> >>> My favorite map is at >>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html >>> >>> Another site linked to that with Village Index is at >>> http://www.dvhh.org/banat/village/index.htm >>> >>> Denise in Oregon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peggy Miller"<milpegg@centurytel.net> >>> To: "DVHH Mailing List"<donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com>; "Banat >>> Mailing list"<BANAT@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:02 PM >>> Subject: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat >>> >>> >>> >>>> I think this topic has been addresses in the past, but I can not seem to >>>> find it. I am looking for someone who can recommend a good map of the >>>> Banat area that might use both the German and Hungarian names of the >>>> villages. And perhaps the current day name too? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Peggy Miller >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Peggy, I have a paper version of the map shown at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html hanging on the wall. I remember buying it in 2000 at the Heimattag der Banater Schwaben. There is a beautiful map entitled "Rumänien Nördliches Banat und Arader Land" with bilingual (Romanian & German) names for the once German-populated localities. It was published by the Höfer Verlag (www.hoeferverlag.de) and carries ISBN 978-3-931103-4. I believe that it is also available from landsmannschaft@banater-schwaben.de in Munich for 10.90 Euros (plus packing & shipping). A simpler way of purchasing it was from Mr. Rainer Kapp in the USA. Unfortunately, I changed computers and cannot locate Rainer's address. Best regards, Nick Tullius -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Miller Sent: 17-Jun-10 18:52 To: mpkausch@sbcglobal.net Cc: BANAT@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat I appreciate the responses that I have been getting, regarding a good Banat map. I am aware of the dvhh map and I use it constantly. What I neglected to mention is that I am looking for a 'real' map. One that I can hang on my wall or use anytime. One that I can purchase. If there are others of you that know, please let me know. Thank you for all of the responses that I have received so far. Peggy mpkausch@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Denise - Thank you so much. These are excellent. > Michael Kausch > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise Sproed" <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> > To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:44 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat > > > >> My favorite map is at >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html >> >> Another site linked to that with Village Index is at >> http://www.dvhh.org/banat/village/index.htm >> >> Denise in Oregon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peggy Miller" <milpegg@centurytel.net> >> To: "DVHH Mailing List" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com>; "Banat >> Mailing list" <BANAT@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:02 PM >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Good map of the Banat >> >> >> >>> I think this topic has been addresses in the past, but I can not seem to >>> find it. I am looking for someone who can recommend a good map of the >>> Banat area that might use both the German and Hungarian names of the >>> villages. And perhaps the current day name too? >>> Thanks, >>> Peggy Miller >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:23 PM, <banat-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rosina and Lydia- > Just wanted to let you know there are a lot of Degen notations from the towns of Sidski Banovci, Nijemci, and Fancovci, including Philip.The actual parish records I have, are newer, 1914-44, with these earlier mentions being in an index. Since these are jpeg "photos", I will send them to Lydia, off-list. I could look for anyone else also researching these Syrmian places, including Neudorf and Vincovci, just let me know. Robin Grube Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:58:03 -0700 > From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Degen in Novi Banovci, Syrmia & Zier in Franzfeld > To: <Banat@rootsweb.com> > Cc: tango3301@att.net > Message-ID: <5CA40994E2F14354837F6B63728586AD@odChrisi> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello Novi Banovci and Franzfeld Researchers, > > Would you be able to help Lydia Decker tango3301@att.net with her search > for: > > Philipp Degen, * 1848 in Novi Banovci, > daughter Elisabeth Degen, *31 Oct 1879 in Novi Banovci. > > Johann Zier, *24 Jul 1878 in Franzfeld, + WWI > > Many thanks, > > Rosina > www.hrastovac.net > >