John; No, the Stader series is a AKdFF publication. One will have to order directly from the AKdFF. I hope to attend the Fall AKdFF meeting and when I return will post to the list any available details on the Volume. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: john busch To: Dave Dreyer Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Stader books Hi Dave Are you going to be the representative to disburse this Stader book as you have with other books? If so, will you order one for me. I have all the other previous books and would like to get them all. Thanks Dave, John --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> wrote: From: Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Stader books To: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:15 PM Robert; It is my understanding that volume VI of Stader which covers surnames starting with S will be published in time for the October AKdFF meeting. We have seen slippage in the past on the publication date so we will have to wait and see if it comes to pass on time. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Evensen" <revensen@comcast.net> To: "Banat" <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:27 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Stader books > Is there any word when the next volume of Stader will appear? I thought I > remembered that the "S" names will be finished in the next tome. > > Robert > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Mt. Angel Travelers, Our Webmaster Steve Herold promised to look into the problems with the www.dsheritage.com registration pages, and I trust he did so by now. Steve is under great time pressure at the moment. While you are packing your Mt. Angel suitcase -those related books you like to donate- please do not forget an apron for the Strudel making class. DAVID PRESTON will make a video of our splendid efforts, so we would like to look our professional best! Am looking forwards to see you all in Mt. Angel! Rosina www.hrastovac.net P.S Still a few spots available for Strudel making. From: rosinats@shaw.ca To: Banat@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:18:11 -0700 Subject: [BANAT-L] Mt. Angel DS Conference Hello Mt. Angel Travelers, Its great to have the splendid www.dsheritage.com pages updated now, so we can not only register, but also see who is coming.... To register for Leah's STRUDEL MAKING CLASS at her gemuetlich home, please do so directly with me. There is a limited number of spots available. Leah intends to teach us how to make it ourselves. Each of us will do one Strudel! Just like Oma made it! WOW! I will collect your contribution of $10.00 to cover the costs of ingredients that Friday, Sept. 17th before the class. We will car pool to Leah's country place leaving at 15.30h and rejoin the others at Weingarten's Oktoberfest hall after our Strudel is baked. I can't wait! Thank you Leah for suggesting! Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Hello Dave, Looks like computer translation did all this: "Honor", Honorary", "Tribute" seem to be attempts to translate "Ehre(n)"! This reminds me of another computer translation that made me laugh: The name of the village of "Gottlob" was courageously translated as "Praise God". It shows that we still need humans to establish context in translations. Best wishes, Nick Tullius -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of davey1947@suddenlink.net Sent: 14-Jul-10 06:10 To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Variations of Ehrenreich Surname Hello: I am researching the Ehrenreich surname and I found in my family genealogy that this name shows up as Honorary Reich, Honour Reich and Reich Tribute in the Lenauheim website on Genealogy.net. I was wondering why this is, what these names mean and also why the Variations. Peter Tarnai is the man listed on the site. Dave Weinfurtner ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

EHRENREICH = is a compound word consisting of EHRE = HONOUR (n for plural, as in many honours) REICH = RICH, WEALTHY (reich as adj. in this case and not as a noun) Therefore the meaning of EHRENREICH would translate as someone who accumulated many honours. WOW, what a splendid family name! See you all in Mt. Angel come September - see www.dsheritage.com Rosina www.hrastovac.net > Hello: > I am researching the Ehrenreich surname and I found in my family genealogy > that this name shows up as Honorary Reich, Honour Reich and Reich Tribute > in the Lenauheim website on Genealogy.net. I was wondering why this is, > what these names mean and also why the Variations. Peter Tarnai is the > man listed on the site. > Dave Weinfurtner >

Hello: I am researching the Ehrenreich surname and I found in my family genealogy that this name shows up as Honorary Reich, Honour Reich and Reich Tribute in the Lenauheim website on Genealogy.net. I was wondering why this is, what these names mean and also why the Variations. Peter Tarnai is the man listed on the site. Dave Weinfurtner

Hermann; There is a family book for D Etschka by Philipp Lung. It is now out of print but available from the AVBF on a CD. I note that there are several Sellinger families listed in it. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hermann Sellinger" <st.leger1@bigpond.com> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 184 >I Hermann Sellinger living in melbourne australia born on the20 Th. may >1942 in etchka banat really enjoy reading about the donauschwaben if >anybody knows anything about etchka please contact me as i am interested >to know more i lost my father in the war in sackelhausen my mother never >talked much about back home please keep in touch > On 11/07/2010, at 5:02 PM, banat-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: [DVHH] Ethnicity (Frank Jakob) >> 2. Emmigration Lists (Rosina T Schmidt) >> 3. Swiss Family names (Rosina T Schmidt) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:59:41 -0400 >> From: "Frank Jakob" <capehatreal@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] [DVHH] Ethnicity >> To: "'Michael Rauschenberger'" <michael@rauschenberger.dk> >> Cc: Banat-L@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <004301cb2051$4a3f3fd0$debdbf70$@com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Thank You Michael, >> >> As a German American born here in the United States in 1944 we did not >> study >> much of European History in school >> . >> My parents came here in the 1930's from Gertinosch, Romania (Banat) and >> had >> limited education and did not speak a lot about their history during my >> growing up since it was during WW11 and being German was not popular when >> they worked at the Philadelphia Naval Yard. Only now, that I am retired >> am I >> looking into my ancestry and thanks to a great bunch of people (DS) and >> the >> internet have I been able to trace my mother's family back to 1525 in >> Allace >> Lorraine, now Saarland, Deutschland. >> >> Please keep up the great replies. I am getting a new education in >> European >> history. >> >> >> Thanks and Have a Great Day!! >> >> >> Frank A. Jakob, President/Broker/Auctioneer >> Cape Hatteras Realty & Construction Corp >> P.O. Box 249 >> Salvo, NC 27972 >> >> Office:252-987-2799 >> Cell: 252-305-1184 >> Fax: 252-987-2012 >> >> Web: www.capehatterasrealty.com >> E-mail: capehatreal@yahoo.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael >> Rauschenberger >> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:15 AM >> To: 'SusanM'; 'Anne Dreer' >> Cc: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Ethnicity >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> As for Germany, and how it's history has changed it into what it is >> today, >> Wikipedia has a fair lesson: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany >> >> As a European it's strange to read how so many of you originating from >> Europe have scant knowledge of what Europe is and was. The countries you >> see >> today were not all there just 100 years ago >> >> Learning European geography today is not very helpful in understanding >> what >> Europe was like in 1740 to 1850 >> >> Czechoslovakia only ever existed from 1918 (1921 actually, the Trianon >> Agreement) and then split in 2 after 1990, Germany up to the Unification >> in >> 1871 mostly consisted of what is today Poland, Belaruss and the 3 Baltic >> states (they've only had about 100 years of sovereignty since Denmark >> owned >> most of it in 1215), Austria is only half of what it was, as is Hungary. >> Poland to which many Schwaben also moved is under half its glorious >> size - >> the rest was annexed in 1939 and never returned. >> >> One thing which to me was funny, was to read about "Frankreich" - a word >> I >> thought everyone of German descent would understand, as well as >> Deutschland, >> ?sterreich and Schwartzwald. Also you may like to know that Elsass and >> Alsace is the same, as is Lothringen and Lorraine. >> >> I for one have just had a fun experience with "where are you from AND >> where >> are you from". My gggggg-grandad said to the archdiocese in Kalocsa that >> he >> came from N?meth-Bolly and Raczpeter. How come 2 towns? Found out N-Bolly >> is >> where he was born, and Raczpeter is where he last lived. >> >> So where are you from can take on many shapes >> >> No offence was meant in the above, it's just interesting - that which is >> obvious to one may be completely unknown to others. >> >> /Michael - my 2cents worth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SusanM >> Sent: 10. juli 2010 5:27 >> To: Anne Dreer >> Cc: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Ethnicity >> >> Actually Anne, that clears up quite a bit for me. I knew that during the >> 15th and 16th centuries there was no Germany, but literally that's all I >> knew. I still don't understand the difference between the Austrian Empire >> other...empires? There was an elected emperor at one time, and I am also >> ignorant about that. >> ? >> I have a lot of reading to do, and it seems like the farther I get, the >> more >> I find lacking in what I know. >> ? >> Susan M >> --- On Fri, 7/9/10, Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >> >> From: Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> >> Subject: [DVHH] Ethnicity >> To: Donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:54 PM >> >> >> There was no GERMANY in the 1600's and 1700's. There were however German >> speaking kingdoms, principalities, dukedoms, principalities? and areas >> rule >> by? noble families. Present day Germany consisted of states that were >> individually governed and always spoke German. There was Baden, >> Wuerttemberg >> (=formerly the kingdom of Schwaben), >> Bavaria, Franconia (Franken) Hessen, the Rheinland, Westfalen, >> Preussen(Prussia),? Mecklenburg, Sachsen, Schleswig and Holstein. >> Thuringen. >> There could have been a few more. >> >> Elsass and Lothringen, which now belongs to France, also had a large >> number >> of German speaking residents with German names.The people who spoke >> German >> were considered of the? Germanic race, as are some other northern >> European >> nations, including the English. >> >> Anne D. >> >> -------------------------- >> Weistum . >> record of rights handed down in a parish . >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------- >> Weistum . >> record of rights handed down in a parish . >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -------------------------- >> Weistum . >> record of rights handed down in a parish . >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:00:32 -0700 >> From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Emmigration Lists >> To: <Banat@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <11A9C092BA1A460A8B3C3C5CE81E4BB9@odChrisi> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> >> Hello Danube Swabian Researchers, >> >> The Swiss research group put some emigration from Europe lists. Perhaps >> it might be of help to you also. >> >> See you all in Mt. Angel! www.dsheritage.com >> >> Rosina >> www.hrastovac.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:07:21 -0700 >> From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Swiss Family names >> To: <Banat@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <B01EF4023C49499FA2A953A45E3167A9@odChrisi> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> >> Hello to Everyone! >> >> After the 30 year war ended in 1648 quite a few Swiss settlers from >> overpopulated Switzerland spread all over devastated areas of the Holly >> Roman Empire. Some of those family names still live in Switzerland, and >> perhaps your roots go via Danube Swabian areas, Germany & France all the >> way to Switzerland. Here is the list of Swiss names: >> http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/famnam-m.htm >> >> See you all in Mt. Angel! >> >> Rosina >> www.hrastovac.net >> >> P.S. Did you register yet at www.dsheritage.com? >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to >> BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to >> BANAT@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 184 >> ************************************* > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Andy; As you probably know Istvan is the Hungarian name for the German Stefan. That aside, so far as I know, no one has copies of the Topolya church books(KBs) in the West. Either you go to whatever archives in which the Topoly KB are deposited. On the whole a not a very practical option. Or you find a local knowledgable family history researchers to do the work for you. Such research rates tend to be reasonable in the Banat. Nikolaus Horn, a well respected Banat researcher, is interested in the Buschbacher surname. You might consider contacting him with your problem. His address is; NikHorn@gmx.de Your guy was probably in the 29th Infantry regiment since Ban Topolya was situtat3d in the recruiting district of this regiment, but unless he was an officer there probably no records available. In any event you would have to contact the Kriegs archive in Wien to see if they have anything on him. . Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Buschbacher To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:27 PM Subject: Research Buschbacher & Graf Hello David, Thank you for replying. A little background first, when I was a teenager (1960's) I interviewed my Grandmother about our ancestry and only recently rediscovered my notes. What i am trying to find are the birth records and any other records for my Donauschwaben Grandparents. I supply the following information hoping it will help. Grandfather: Name: Stefan (aka Istvan, Stephen, Steve) Buschbacher Istvan is used on the ship passenger list to Ellis Island in 1908 and Stefan is used on his grave marker (1961) in Cincinnati, Ohio. He said he was from Banat Toploya, Hungary born 1882. My question is, any record that he was born in Banat Topolya or in another village? He also said he served in the Hungarian Army in 1900 - 1902 stationed on the Croatian coast. Are Austro-Hungarian military records available? He also had a brother named Michael who i think came over in 1906. Parent names are not known. Grandmother: Name: Anna Graf Siblings: Suzanna, Elizabeth, Matthew (aka Mathias), Andrew (aka Andy, Andreas) Parents: Michael and Catharina (nee Burkhardt, sp)? She said she was born in Hatzfeld, Hungary in 1893 Any record of her birth and were her parents born in Hatzfeld or someplace else? Also, any infornation on Buschbacher's born in or living in Chesterlek (sp). I know members of this branch of the family that left during the diaspora and now live in Germany. Thank you so very much for any information you can provide. Andy Buschbacher BuschTek Gas Turbine Consulting 3817 Phaffle Drive Bakersfield, CA 93309 Ph: (661) 301-2961 Fax: (661) 836-8626 Email: buschtek@sbcglobal.net

Robert; It is my understanding that volume VI of Stader which covers surnames starting with S will be published in time for the October AKdFF meeting. We have seen slippage in the past on the publication date so we will have to wait and see if it comes to pass on time. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Evensen" <revensen@comcast.net> To: "Banat" <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:27 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Stader books > Is there any word when the next volume of Stader will appear? I thought I > remembered that the "S" names will be finished in the next tome. > > Robert > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Is there any word when the next volume of Stader will appear? I thought I remembered that the "S" names will be finished in the next tome. Robert

Andy; The message below came from Kathy Lara who is a Grenzland expert. In addition, if you put Stumphauser and Stumpfhauser into Google you will find a couple of interesting items although nothing which bears directly on your family history. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: larakathy@aol.com To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Stumphauser in the Grenz Gebiet I have a Stumphauser family in Glogon Stumphauser, Sebastian, led *err 1822, Markovac/B, oo 18.05.1851 Jahraus, Barbara *err 1821 Ww.Engler, Josef von Franzfeld/B Trz D Ring, Johann, Fuchs, Emil Ortssippenbuch Jabuka (Apfeldorf)/Banat -Michael Adelhardt und Elfriede Adelhardt, geb.Kern Sebastian Stumphauser 24 Jul 1858 ? Glogon or Jabuka + 1 Feb 1922 Los Angeles, Ca oo Magdalena Binder 20 Apr 1863 + 7 Nov 1910 Los Angeles, Ca Children Barbara 15 Dec 1882 Glogon oo Frank Hirnschall John 15 Dec 1884 Glogon oo Anna Szora Christina * 1886 Glogon Frank 13 Mar 1892 Franzfeld -oo Anna Tirheimer Anton 22 Sep 1895 Glogon Elisabeth oo Peter Kötterer/Ketterer There may be more I haven't found yet. Kathy Lara -----Original Message----- From: Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Banat List <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:17 pm Subject: [BANAT-L] Stumphauser in the Grenz Gebiet John; I looked through all the familybooks of Grenzregiment localities published by the Adelhardts as well as for Kubin. I only find Strumphausers in the Apfeldorf family book. I don't know how you missed them. There are two Strumphauser families in the Apfeldorf family book. 1. Stumphauser Sebastian *1822 Markovac oo 18 May 1851 Apfeldorf Jahraus Barbara, wid of Josef Engler von Franzfeld/Banat *1821 2. Stumphauser Anton *1847 From Franzfeld/Banat oo 31 Jan 1867 Apfeldorf. Hittinger Anna, Luth *1845 So this establishes that your guys were married in Apfeldorf. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walter" <walt31wil2003@yahoo.com> To: <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:05 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] (no subject) Greetings to all subscribers, Can anybody help me or has suggestions on my wife's geat-grandfather Anton Stumpfhauser fom Franzfeld. As indicated below, Anton Stumpfhauser was a catholic in a protestant town so there are no church records on him. I checked the Apfeldorf (Jabuka) church records to no avail. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appriciated. Bellow is what I have found on Anton as written for my children. JohnWalter 2nd Great-Grandparents STUMPFHAUSER, Anton I (24) * 1850 + in Franzfeld, Banat oo Anna HITTINGER (25) * 1851 + Children, all born in Franzfeld, Banat, Hungary 1. Anton (12) * 6-6-1868 in Franzfeld, Banat, Hungary, + 1946 in Yugoslavian detention camp, oo Julianna STIER (13) * 1869 in Franzfeld, + 1946 in Yugoslavian detention camp, daughter of Adam STIER (26) and Julianna EBERLE (27). 2. Karl 3. Franz Anton STUMPFHAUSER I (24) was an inn keeper (Gastwirt). Anton's religion was Roman Catholic and the church of Franzfeld, which was a Protestant town, has no records of his birth or other data that are normally listed in church records. We don't know his birth date nor where he was born but family records indicate that he was born in 1850. The book "Geschichte von Franzfeld" (History of Franzfeld) indicates that soon after the occupation of Bosnia by Austria-Hungary in 1878 Anton a inn keeper took a business trip to Bosnia and there met a Bosnian Beg who told him about the opportunity the land offers and upon his return to Franzfeld Anton tried to recruit some people for a Bosnian venture, however, he was not successful in getting people interested. Geschichte von Franzfeld also indicates that when a the town library was opened in 1883, Anton Stumpfhauser donated two books to the library. No other donations were recorded so it must have been significant. The 1892 census of property owners lists Anton and his family living in house #97, (this house had the number 197 in later years) in the town square. The property had two structures on it and he owned 44 Joch farm land (about 68 acres) 5 horses, 9 cows, 17 hogs, various farm machinery and 34 bee hives. He also owned a Gasthaus (inn) at address #230 with three structures on the property. This indicates that Anton and his wife, Anna, were a prosperous couple. The census indicates that house #197 had eight residents, four male including himself, three female and a servant. The male residents were very likely himself, his three sons Anton II, Franz, and Karl and the three females, his wife Anna, daughter in-law Juliana the wife of son Anton and their daughter Anna born in 1891 and a male servant living with them. About 1895 or 1896 the town of Franzfeld opened a Kindergarten and the town rented house #198 from Anton Stumpfhauser, an indication that he bought this property after 1892 since it was not owned by him in the 1892 census of property owners. Sons Franz and Karl became professional officers in the Austro-Hungarian army and were supposedly stationed near Vienna while son Anton and his family helped to run the family enterprises. Rosalia (Rosl) Stumpfhauser (a great-granddaughter of Anton and Anna) told the author that her grandmother Juliana STIER told her that Franz and Karl lost a lot of money, gambling, and that their father, Anton I, had to sell most of his property to settle their debts. The Franzfeld chronicles indicate that the Gasthaus at address # 230 was sold to the Farmers Association prior to world war I. The sale of other property is not in the chronicles, however his son Anton still owned property #97 (now #197 in 1944) and some 24 acres of farmland and (4 Joch) about 5.5 acres vineyard. We don't know if the vineyard or the farmland was left to the son or if the son bought it. The son Anton also leased and run the Gasthaus, which had been sold to the Farmers Association, until about 1933. Son Franz was a first Lieutenant and died before world war I from pneumonia after some military exercises with his unit. Son Karl, a captain or major was badly wounded in 1916 on the Italian front and was crippled by the wound. He committed suicide with his own revolver because he did not want to live as an invalid. There is no record of when Anton and his wife Anna died, however, none of the grand-children remember them so they very likely died before 1928. Sources: "Die Geschichte von Franzfeld" and Family records STIER, Adam (26) son of Johann STIER (52) and Theresia FEHNER (53) * 4-1-1831 in Franzfeld, Banat, Hungary + oo 29-10-1868 in Franzfeld to Julianna EBERLE (27) daughter of Andreas EBERLE (54) and Theresia BRENDLE (55) * 17-2-1830 in Franzfeld, Banat, Hungary + Children, all born in Franzfeld 1. Julianna (13) * 1-11-1869, + 1945 in a Yugoslavian detention camp, oo to Anton STUMPFHAUSER (12) son of Anton STUMPFHAUSER (24) 2. Andreas * 23-4-1871, oo to Gisella SALZMANN Sources: Church records of Hungary, Banat, Franzfeld LDS film 1190287 and family records ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John; I looked through all the familybooks of Grenzregiment localities published by the Adelhardts as well as for Kubin. I only find Strumphausers in the Apfeldorf family book. I don't know how you missed them. There are two Strumphauser families in the Apfeldorf family book. 1. Stumphauser Sebastian *1822 Markovac oo 18 May 1851 Apfeldorf Jahraus Barbara, wid of Josef Engler von Franzfeld/Banat *1821 2. Stumphauser Anton *1847 From Franzfeld/Banat oo 31 Jan 1867 Apfeldorf. Hittinger Anna, Luth *1845 So this establishes that your guys were married in Apfeldorf. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walter" <walt31wil2003@yahoo.com> To: <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:05 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] (no subject) Greetings to all subscribers, Can anybody help me or has suggestions on my wife's geat-grandfather Anton Stumpfhauser fom Franzfeld. As indicated below, Anton Stumpfhauser was a catholic in a protestant town so there are no church records on him. I checked the Apfeldorf (Jabuka) church records to no avail. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appriciated. Bellow is what I have found on Anton as written for my children. JohnWalter 2nd Great-Grandparents STUMPFHAUSER, Anton I (24) * 1850 + in Franzfeld, Banat oo Anna HITTINGER (25) * 1851 + Children, all born in Franzfeld, Banat, Hungary 1. Anton (12) * 6-6-1868 in Franzfeld, Banat, Hungary, + 1946 in Yugoslavian detention camp, oo Julianna STIER (13) * 1869 in Franzfeld, + 1946 in Yugoslavian detention camp, daughter of Adam STIER (26) and Julianna EBERLE (27). 2. Karl 3. Franz Anton STUMPFHAUSER I (24) was an inn keeper (Gastwirt). Anton's religion was Roman Catholic and the church of Franzfeld, which was a Protestant town, has no records of his birth or other data that are normally listed in church records. We don't know his birth date nor where he was born but family records indicate that he was born in 1850. The book "Geschichte von Franzfeld" (History of Franzfeld) indicates that soon after the occupation of Bosnia by Austria-Hungary in 1878 Anton a inn keeper took a business trip to Bosnia and there met a Bosnian Beg who told him about the opportunity the land offers and upon his return to Franzfeld Anton tried to recruit some people for a Bosnian venture, however, he was not successful in getting people interested. Geschichte von Franzfeld also indicates that when a the town library was opened in 1883, Anton Stumpfhauser donated two books to the library. No other donations were recorded so it must have been significant. The 1892 census of property owners lists Anton and his family living in house #97, (this house had the number 197 in later years) in the town square. The property had two structures on it and he owned 44 Joch farm land (about 68 acres) 5 horses, 9 cows, 17 hogs, various farm machinery and 34 bee hives. He also owned a Gasthaus (inn) at address #230 with three structures on the property. This indicates that Anton and his wife, Anna, were a prosperous couple. The census indicates that house #197 had eight residents, four male including himself, three female and a servant. The male residents were very likely himself, his three sons Anton II, Franz, and Karl and the three females, his wife Anna, daughter in-law Juliana the wife of son Anton and their daughter Anna born in 1891 and a male servant living with them. About 1895 or 1896 the town of Franzfeld opened a Kindergarten and the town rented house #198 from Anton Stumpfhauser, an indication that he bought this property after 1892 since it was not owned by him in the 1892 census of property owners. Sons Franz and Karl became professional officers in the Austro-Hungarian army and were supposedly stationed near Vienna while son Anton and his family helped to run the family enterprises. Rosalia (Rosl) Stumpfhauser (a great-granddaughter of Anton and Anna) told the author that her grandmother Juliana STIER told her that Franz and Karl lost a lot of money, gambling, and that their father, Anton I, had to sell most of his property to settle their debts. The Franzfeld chronicles indicate that the Gasthaus at address # 230 was sold to the Farmers Association prior to world war I. The sale of other property is not in the chronicles, however his son Anton still owned property #97 (now #197 in 1944) and some 24 acres of farmland and (4 Joch) about 5.5 acres vineyard. We don't know if the vineyard or the farmland was left to the son or if the son bought it. The son Anton also leased and run the Gasthaus, which had been sold to the Farmers Association, until about 1933. Son Franz was a first Lieutenant and died before world war I from pneumonia after some military exercises with his unit. Son Karl, a captain or major was badly wounded in 1916 on the Italian front and was crippled by the wound. He committed suicide with his own revolver because he did not want to live as an invalid. There is no record of when Anton and his wife Anna died, however, none of the grand-children remember them so they very likely died before 1928. Sources: "Die Geschichte von Franzfeld" and Family records STIER, Adam (26) son of Johann STIER (52) and Theresia FEHNER (53) * 4-1-1831 in Franzfeld, Banat, Hungary + oo 29-10-1868 in Franzfeld to Julianna EBERLE (27) daughter of Andreas EBERLE (54) and Theresia BRENDLE (55) * 17-2-1830 in Franzfeld, Banat, Hungary + Children, all born in Franzfeld 1. Julianna (13) * 1-11-1869, + 1945 in a Yugoslavian detention camp, oo to Anton STUMPFHAUSER (12) son of Anton STUMPFHAUSER (24) 2. Andreas * 23-4-1871, oo to Gisella SALZMANN Sources: Church records of Hungary, Banat, Franzfeld LDS film 1190287 and family records ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings to all subscribers, Can anybody help me or has suggestions on my wife's geat-grandfather Anton Stumpfhauser fom Franzfeld. As indicated below, Anton Stumpfhauser was a catholic in a protestant town so there are no church records on him. I checked the Apfeldorf (Jabuka) church records to no avail. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appriciated. Bellow is what I have found on Anton as written for my children. JohnWalter      2nd Great-Grandparents     STUMPFHAUSER, Anton I (24) *          1850 +          in Franzfeld, Banat oo        Anna HITTINGER (25) *          1851 +   Children, all born in Franzfeld, Banat, Hungary   1.   Anton (12) * 6-6-1868 in Franzfeld, Banat, Hungary, + 1946 in Yugoslavian detention camp, oo Julianna STIER (13) * 1869 in Franzfeld, + 1946 in Yugoslavian detention camp, daughter of  Adam STIER (26) and Julianna EBERLE (27). 2.   Karl 3.   Franz     Anton STUMPFHAUSER I (24) was an inn keeper (Gastwirt). Anton's religion was Roman Catholic and the church of Franzfeld, which was a Protestant town, has no records of his birth or other data that are normally listed in church records. We don't know his birth date nor where he was born but family records indicate that he was born in 1850. The book "Geschichte von Franzfeld" (History of Franzfeld) indicates that soon after the occupation of Bosnia by Austria-Hungary in 1878 Anton a inn keeper took a business trip to Bosnia and there met a Bosnian Beg who told him about the opportunity the land offers and upon his return to Franzfeld Anton tried to recruit some people for a Bosnian venture, however, he was not successful in getting people interested. Geschichte von Franzfeld also indicates that when a the town library was opened in 1883, Anton Stumpfhauser donated two books to the library. No other donations were recorded so it must have been significant.   The 1892 census of property owners lists Anton and his family living in house #97, (this house had the number 197 in later years) in the town square. The property had two structures on it and he owned 44 Joch farm land (about 68 acres) 5 horses, 9 cows, 17 hogs, various farm machinery and 34 bee hives. He also owned a Gasthaus (inn) at address #230 with three structures on the property. This indicates that Anton and his wife, Anna, were a prosperous couple. The census indicates that house #197 had eight residents, four male including himself, three female and a servant. The male residents were very likely himself, his three sons Anton II, Franz, and Karl and the three females, his wife Anna, daughter in-law Juliana the wife of son Anton and their daughter Anna born in 1891 and a male servant living with them. About 1895 or 1896 the town of Franzfeld opened a Kindergarten and the town rented house #198 from Anton Stumpfhauser, an indication that he bought this property after 1892 since it was not owned by him in the  1892 census of property owners. Sons Franz and Karl became professional officers in the Austro-Hungarian army and were supposedly stationed near Vienna while son Anton and his family helped to run the family enterprises. Rosalia (Rosl) Stumpfhauser (a great-granddaughter of Anton and Anna) told the author that her grandmother Juliana STIER told her that Franz and Karl lost a lot of money, gambling, and that their father, Anton I, had to sell most of his property to settle their debts. The Franzfeld chronicles indicate that the Gasthaus at address # 230 was sold to the Farmers Association prior to world war I. The sale of other property is not in the chronicles, however his son Anton still owned property #97 (now #197 in 1944) and some 24 acres of farmland and (4 Joch) about 5.5 acres vineyard. We don't know if the vineyard or the farmland was left to the son or if the son bought it. The son Anton also leased and run the Gasthaus, which had been sold to the Farmers Association, until about 1933. Son Franz was a first Lieutenant and died before world war I from pneumonia after some military exercises with his unit. Son Karl, a captain or major was badly wounded in 1916 on the Italian front and was crippled by the wound. He committed suicide with his own revolver because he did not want to live as an invalid. There is no record of when Anton and his wife Anna died, however, none of the grand-children remember them so they very likely died before 1928.   Sources: "Die Geschichte von Franzfeld" and Family records   STIER, Adam (26) son of Johann STIER (52) and Theresia FEHNER (53) *          4-1-1831 in Franzfeld, Banat, Hungary + oo        29-10-1868 in Franzfeld to Julianna EBERLE (27) daughter of Andreas     EBERLE (54) and Theresia BRENDLE (55) *          17-2-1830 in Franzfeld, Banat, Hungary +   Children, all born in Franzfeld 1.   Julianna (13) * 1-11-1869, + 1945 in a Yugoslavian detention camp, oo        to Anton STUMPFHAUSER (12) son of Anton STUMPFHAUSER (24)  2.   Andreas * 23-4-1871, oo to Gisella SALZMANN   Sources: Church records of Hungary, Banat, Franzfeld  LDS film 1190287 and family records

Hi Andy, The Buschbachers in my family tree are from Darowa.  I see that one of the early Buschbachers was born in Marienfeld, and others come from Wet.  If your line is from Darowa, I do have the family book with quite a bit of information on the family. Cathy Teufel O'Neill

Andy; Both of the surnames, Graf and Buschbacher occur in the St Hubert records that Karen Preston and I are working with. Can you supply us with more detail on what you are looking for? Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Buschbacher" <buschtek@sbcglobal.net> To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:53 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Research > If anyone is researching the names BUSCHBACHER or GRAF in general or in > particular from Torontal or Temes counties please contact me. Thank you. > > > Andy Buschbacher > BuschTek Gas Turbine Consulting > 6007 Pine Canyon Drive > Bakersfield, CA 93313 > Ph: (661) 301-2961 > Fax: (661) 836-8626 > Email: buschtek@sbcglobal.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I Hermann Sellinger living in melbourne australia born on the20 Th. may 1942 in etchka banat really enjoy reading about the donauschwaben if anybody knows anything about etchka please contact me as i am interested to know more i lost my father in the war in sackelhausen my mother never talked much about back home please keep in touch On 11/07/2010, at 5:02 PM, banat-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [DVHH] Ethnicity (Frank Jakob) > 2. Emmigration Lists (Rosina T Schmidt) > 3. Swiss Family names (Rosina T Schmidt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:59:41 -0400 > From: "Frank Jakob" <capehatreal@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] [DVHH] Ethnicity > To: "'Michael Rauschenberger'" <michael@rauschenberger.dk> > Cc: Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <004301cb2051$4a3f3fd0$debdbf70$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank You Michael, > > As a German American born here in the United States in 1944 we did not study > much of European History in school > . > My parents came here in the 1930's from Gertinosch, Romania (Banat) and had > limited education and did not speak a lot about their history during my > growing up since it was during WW11 and being German was not popular when > they worked at the Philadelphia Naval Yard. Only now, that I am retired am I > looking into my ancestry and thanks to a great bunch of people (DS) and the > internet have I been able to trace my mother's family back to 1525 in Allace > Lorraine, now Saarland, Deutschland. > > Please keep up the great replies. I am getting a new education in European > history. > > > Thanks and Have a Great Day!! > > > Frank A. Jakob, President/Broker/Auctioneer > Cape Hatteras Realty & Construction Corp > P.O. Box 249 > Salvo, NC 27972 > > Office:252-987-2799 > Cell: 252-305-1184 > Fax: 252-987-2012 > > Web: www.capehatterasrealty.com > E-mail: capehatreal@yahoo.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Rauschenberger > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:15 AM > To: 'SusanM'; 'Anne Dreer' > Cc: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Ethnicity > > Hi Everyone, > > As for Germany, and how it's history has changed it into what it is today, > Wikipedia has a fair lesson: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany > > As a European it's strange to read how so many of you originating from > Europe have scant knowledge of what Europe is and was. The countries you see > today were not all there just 100 years ago > > Learning European geography today is not very helpful in understanding what > Europe was like in 1740 to 1850 > > Czechoslovakia only ever existed from 1918 (1921 actually, the Trianon > Agreement) and then split in 2 after 1990, Germany up to the Unification in > 1871 mostly consisted of what is today Poland, Belaruss and the 3 Baltic > states (they've only had about 100 years of sovereignty since Denmark owned > most of it in 1215), Austria is only half of what it was, as is Hungary. > Poland to which many Schwaben also moved is under half its glorious size - > the rest was annexed in 1939 and never returned. > > One thing which to me was funny, was to read about "Frankreich" - a word I > thought everyone of German descent would understand, as well as Deutschland, > ?sterreich and Schwartzwald. Also you may like to know that Elsass and > Alsace is the same, as is Lothringen and Lorraine. > > I for one have just had a fun experience with "where are you from AND where > are you from". My gggggg-grandad said to the archdiocese in Kalocsa that he > came from N?meth-Bolly and Raczpeter. How come 2 towns? Found out N-Bolly is > where he was born, and Raczpeter is where he last lived. > > So where are you from can take on many shapes > > No offence was meant in the above, it's just interesting - that which is > obvious to one may be completely unknown to others. > > /Michael - my 2cents worth > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SusanM > Sent: 10. juli 2010 5:27 > To: Anne Dreer > Cc: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Ethnicity > > Actually Anne, that clears up quite a bit for me. I knew that during the > 15th and 16th centuries there was no Germany, but literally that's all I > knew. I still don't understand the difference between the Austrian Empire > other...empires? There was an elected emperor at one time, and I am also > ignorant about that. > ? > I have a lot of reading to do, and it seems like the farther I get, the more > I find lacking in what I know. > ? > Susan M > --- On Fri, 7/9/10, Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > From: Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> > Subject: [DVHH] Ethnicity > To: Donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:54 PM > > > There was no GERMANY in the 1600's and 1700's. There were however German > speaking kingdoms, principalities, dukedoms, principalities? and areas rule > by? noble families. Present day Germany consisted of states that were > individually governed and always spoke German. There was Baden, Wuerttemberg > (=formerly the kingdom of Schwaben), > Bavaria, Franconia (Franken) Hessen, the Rheinland, Westfalen, > Preussen(Prussia),? Mecklenburg, Sachsen, Schleswig and Holstein. Thuringen. > There could have been a few more. > > Elsass and Lothringen, which now belongs to France, also had a large number > of German speaking residents with German names.The people who spoke German > were considered of the? Germanic race, as are some other northern European > nations, including the English. > > Anne D. > > -------------------------- > Weistum . > record of rights handed down in a parish . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -------------------------- > Weistum . > record of rights handed down in a parish . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------- > Weistum . > record of rights handed down in a parish . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:00:32 -0700 > From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Emmigration Lists > To: <Banat@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <11A9C092BA1A460A8B3C3C5CE81E4BB9@odChrisi> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > Hello Danube Swabian Researchers, > > The Swiss research group put some emigration from Europe lists. Perhaps it might be of help to you also. > > See you all in Mt. Angel! www.dsheritage.com > > Rosina > www.hrastovac.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:07:21 -0700 > From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Swiss Family names > To: <Banat@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B01EF4023C49499FA2A953A45E3167A9@odChrisi> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > Hello to Everyone! > > After the 30 year war ended in 1648 quite a few Swiss settlers from overpopulated Switzerland spread all over devastated areas of the Holly Roman Empire. Some of those family names still live in Switzerland, and perhaps your roots go via Danube Swabian areas, Germany & France all the way to Switzerland. Here is the list of Swiss names: http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/famnam-m.htm > > See you all in Mt. Angel! > > Rosina > www.hrastovac.net > > P.S. Did you register yet at www.dsheritage.com? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to > BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 184 > *************************************

Georg Kirth Was married to A. M. Kellner. They were the parents of  Jakob Kirth born 3dec1798 in Jahrmarkt who was married to Katherine Schuer both of whom died in Jahrmarkt. Any information relating to Georg Kirth or A. M. Kellner origins would be most appreciated. Jim Kirth

If anyone is researching the names BUSCHBACHER or GRAF in general or in particular from Torontal or Temes counties please contact me. Thank you. Andy Buschbacher BuschTek Gas Turbine Consulting 6007 Pine Canyon Drive Bakersfield, CA 93313 Ph: (661) 301-2961 Fax: (661) 836-8626 Email: buschtek@sbcglobal.net

Hello Danube Swabian Researchers, If your Donauschwaben roots go back to Bohemia you might be able to follow your ancestry line back in time. There are two volumes of a census taken by the Kingdom of Bohemia in 1651 to establish who was still alive after the 30 years war. This census is called BERNI RULA. You can go to the library and request these volumes on interlibrary loans (one of these copies are in Atlanta), Ask for the Version by Czerny, they are listed in alphabetical name listing. Some of it is phonetic, so look under all possibilities of spelling. There, under the name should be the family name and the place, their possessions and professions. In the 30 years war (1618-1648) 80% of all Bohemian population was wiped out due to the Plague brought by the Swedes who helped the Protestants, but then King Gustav Adolf got killed, or died of plague, so the Catholics won anyway. This Berni Rula may be the best source to find out where your ancestors came from, and THEN go into the church registers of these towns to find them. There is another list at the LDS called "Ansiedlerliste" where some of the inner Monarchial transfers of people are listed, like from Bohemia to...... Romania, Hungary, Galicia, Ukraine, etc. Those suggestions are from Aida Kraus, of the German Bohemian List. Hope to see you all in Mt. Angel! www.dsheritage.com Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Thank You Michael, As a German American born here in the United States in 1944 we did not study much of European History in school . My parents came here in the 1930's from Gertinosch, Romania (Banat) and had limited education and did not speak a lot about their history during my growing up since it was during WW11 and being German was not popular when they worked at the Philadelphia Naval Yard. Only now, that I am retired am I looking into my ancestry and thanks to a great bunch of people (DS) and the internet have I been able to trace my mother's family back to 1525 in Allace Lorraine, now Saarland, Deutschland. Please keep up the great replies. I am getting a new education in European history. Thanks and Have a Great Day!! Frank A. Jakob, President/Broker/Auctioneer Cape Hatteras Realty & Construction Corp P.O. Box 249 Salvo, NC 27972 Office:252-987-2799 Cell: 252-305-1184 Fax: 252-987-2012 Web: www.capehatterasrealty.com E-mail: capehatreal@yahoo.com -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Rauschenberger Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:15 AM To: 'SusanM'; 'Anne Dreer' Cc: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Ethnicity Hi Everyone, As for Germany, and how it's history has changed it into what it is today, Wikipedia has a fair lesson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany As a European it's strange to read how so many of you originating from Europe have scant knowledge of what Europe is and was. The countries you see today were not all there just 100 years ago Learning European geography today is not very helpful in understanding what Europe was like in 1740 to 1850 Czechoslovakia only ever existed from 1918 (1921 actually, the Trianon Agreement) and then split in 2 after 1990, Germany up to the Unification in 1871 mostly consisted of what is today Poland, Belaruss and the 3 Baltic states (they've only had about 100 years of sovereignty since Denmark owned most of it in 1215), Austria is only half of what it was, as is Hungary. Poland to which many Schwaben also moved is under half its glorious size - the rest was annexed in 1939 and never returned. One thing which to me was funny, was to read about "Frankreich" - a word I thought everyone of German descent would understand, as well as Deutschland, Österreich and Schwartzwald. Also you may like to know that Elsass and Alsace is the same, as is Lothringen and Lorraine. I for one have just had a fun experience with "where are you from AND where are you from". My gggggg-grandad said to the archdiocese in Kalocsa that he came from Németh-Bolly and Raczpeter. How come 2 towns? Found out N-Bolly is where he was born, and Raczpeter is where he last lived. So where are you from can take on many shapes No offence was meant in the above, it's just interesting - that which is obvious to one may be completely unknown to others. /Michael - my 2cents worth -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SusanM Sent: 10. juli 2010 5:27 To: Anne Dreer Cc: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Ethnicity Actually Anne, that clears up quite a bit for me. I knew that during the 15th and 16th centuries there was no Germany, but literally that's all I knew. I still don't understand the difference between the Austrian Empire other...empires? There was an elected emperor at one time, and I am also ignorant about that.   I have a lot of reading to do, and it seems like the farther I get, the more I find lacking in what I know.   Susan M --- On Fri, 7/9/10, Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> wrote: From: Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> Subject: [DVHH] Ethnicity To: Donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:54 PM There was no GERMANY in the 1600's and 1700's. There were however German speaking kingdoms, principalities, dukedoms, principalities  and areas rule by  noble families. Present day Germany consisted of states that were individually governed and always spoke German. There was Baden, Wuerttemberg (=formerly the kingdom of Schwaben), Bavaria, Franconia (Franken) Hessen, the Rheinland, Westfalen, Preussen(Prussia),  Mecklenburg, Sachsen, Schleswig and Holstein. Thuringen. There could have been a few more. Elsass and Lothringen, which now belongs to France, also had a large number of German speaking residents with German names.The people who spoke German were considered of the  Germanic race, as are some other northern European nations, including the English. Anne D. -------------------------- Weistum . record of rights handed down in a parish . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------- Weistum . record of rights handed down in a parish . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------- Weistum . record of rights handed down in a parish . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello to Everyone! After the 30 year war ended in 1648 quite a few Swiss settlers from overpopulated Switzerland spread all over devastated areas of the Holly Roman Empire. Some of those family names still live in Switzerland, and perhaps your roots go via Danube Swabian areas, Germany & France all the way to Switzerland. Here is the list of Swiss names: http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/famnam-m.htm See you all in Mt. Angel! Rosina www.hrastovac.net P.S. Did you register yet at www.dsheritage.com?