Hi Kira, I've just looked up the SPRINGARDT name (and variations) in the Lenauheim book - I am sending you scans of the relevant pages. Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "kira springart" <mkiras@yahoo.com> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] SPRINGART Hello, I have been researching my family and have recently been unable to continue without a little additional help. I am researching the name SPRINGART. I have traced my direct family back to Neusidel and have information on SPRINGARTs in Bogarosch from the late 1700's to the early 1800's . However, I am missing the link in between. The last person I have in my tree is PETER SPRINGART in Neusidel (1810-1952). I have done some research online and have found references to SPRINGARTs in Treibswetter, Hatzfeld, Lenauheim, and Horbach. Does anyone have the family books for these villages that might be able to help me out? Of course, any additional information would be helpful too! The variations I have found include SPRINGARDT, SPRENGART, SPRENCKART, and SPRENGARD. I am also looking into the possiblity that the name SPEICHERT is a variation of SPRINGART. Thanks, Kira Springart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I have been researching my family and have recently been unable to continue without a little additional help.  I am researching the name SPRINGART.  I have traced my direct family back to Neusidel and have information on SPRINGARTs in Bogarosch from the late 1700's to the early 1800's .  However, I am missing the link in between.  The last person I have in my tree is PETER SPRINGART in Neusidel (1810-1952).  I have done some research online and have found references to SPRINGARTs in Treibswetter, Hatzfeld, Lenauheim, and Horbach.  Does anyone have the family books for these villages that might be able to help me out?  Of course, any additional information would be helpful too! The variations I have found include SPRINGARDT, SPRENGART, SPRENCKART, and SPRENGARD. I am also looking into the possiblity that the name SPEICHERT is a variation of SPRINGART. Thanks, Kira Springart

John, Those are sad news indeed. Wilfried Kniesel was born in Beschka, Syrmia and his contributions to Danube Swabian research was quite numerous. Rosina www.hrastovac.net > Just received word from a cousin of Wilfried Kniesel that Wilfried, one of > the founders of AKdFF passed away in Germany. > John Walter >

Just received word from a cousin of Wilfried Kniesel that Wilfried, one of the founders of AKdFF passed away in Germany. John Walter

Dave Dreyer, My ignorance is showing. What's a W and K? Why/how would I use it? And where do I find it? Thank you, Charlie Tiller > From: banat-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 202 > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 01:02:40 -0600 > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:51:05 -0700 > From: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILK message from Harold Bratsko > To: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <74096D149FC34EFCB0AB7AC37C0C7507@D99J3Q21> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Charle; > Aside from some transit families which had a relatively short tenure in > Hatzfeld there was little internal migration from other Banat localities > into Hatzfeld. This was true of other Banat localities settled in this > period 1768-1778. Actually, Hatzfeld, as the population expanded, was the > source of many families who settled the daughter villages along the lower > Thiess. > As to your other point. There are a variety of reasons why the place of > origin on many of the original settlers is obscure. First of all, record > keeping was not all that exact. If you look at KBs for German localities in > the 18th century you find the same problem. This is an old problem in > German research. One finds that the family one is studying suddenly stops > as you work backwards and there is no indication of where they came from. > To solve this problem one usually starts looking in the adjacent villages > and starts to pay attention to the flow of populations. If it was not for W > and K Banat research would be much more difficult, but not everyone was > registered in Wien or some registration record did not survive. Some > settlers to the Banat came overland and did not travel through Wien. Place > of origin may seem an obvious piece of information to record for us but > really how important would it be on the part of the church? If you have > ever looked at any church records here in the U. S., good luck if you can > find a place of origin indicated. > Back to W and K. W and K was compiled by students from the original > records. Apparently, these students would come to an entry from time to > time which was unreadable or at least difficult to read and they would skip > such entries. Apparently this was discovered much later when someone sat > down and compared W and K with the original records. > Dave Dreyer

Hello Mt. Angel Travelers, Just heard that our wonderful Mt. Angel speaker-presenter HENRY A. FISCHER will donate a copy of his book CHILDREN OF THE DANUBE for the silent auction. Thank you, Henry for you generosity and we hope you will also bring with you some of your other most interesting Danube Swabian topic books. Only 46 days to Mt. Angel! www.dsheritage.com See you all there, Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Charle; Aside from some transit families which had a relatively short tenure in Hatzfeld there was little internal migration from other Banat localities into Hatzfeld. This was true of other Banat localities settled in this period 1768-1778. Actually, Hatzfeld, as the population expanded, was the source of many families who settled the daughter villages along the lower Thiess. As to your other point. There are a variety of reasons why the place of origin on many of the original settlers is obscure. First of all, record keeping was not all that exact. If you look at KBs for German localities in the 18th century you find the same problem. This is an old problem in German research. One finds that the family one is studying suddenly stops as you work backwards and there is no indication of where they came from. To solve this problem one usually starts looking in the adjacent villages and starts to pay attention to the flow of populations. If it was not for W and K Banat research would be much more difficult, but not everyone was registered in Wien or some registration record did not survive. Some settlers to the Banat came overland and did not travel through Wien. Place of origin may seem an obvious piece of information to record for us but really how important would it be on the part of the church? If you have ever looked at any church records here in the U. S., good luck if you can find a place of origin indicated. Back to W and K. W and K was compiled by students from the original records. Apparently, these students would come to an entry from time to time which was unreadable or at least difficult to read and they would skip such entries. Apparently this was discovered much later when someone sat down and compared W and K with the original records. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Tiller" <charlietiller@hotmail.com> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILK message from Harold Bratsko > > Mr. Bratsko (and everyone else too), > > I do not know of Dilk, but I have been trying to sort out the > Tiller/Diller/Till/Dill/Thil/Deil names in the 18th-Century Hatzfeld > vicinity. It's not clear if these names are related or not, but I > continue to ponder the notion in hopes of a breakthrough. Dilk sounds > similar; perhaps that could be connnected as well... or not. It's a > frustrating conundrum that I may never truly answer. > > This does raise some fresh questions that have been lurking beneath the > surface for me. The introductory part of the Hatzfeld family book lists > the original settlers who came from Germany, but in its family pages there > are many others identified who apparently arrived about the same time from > unidentified locales. Does anyone have a clear notion if Hatzfeld was > settled totally by immigrants (per the street-name tale), or if there may > have been a sizable number of in-country settlers relocating there as > well? I've not heard a satisfactory answer why many family book entries > (thus church book entries) from the 18th-Century do not identify the > person's place of origin. It would seem an obvious piece of information > to record. > > Any feedback is appreciated. > > All the best to you in your searches, > Charlie Tiller > > Charlie Tiller > charlietiller@hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:18:10 -0600 > From: "Harold Bratsko" <bhbrat24@msn.com> > Subject: [BANAT-L] DILK > To: "Banat_List" <banat@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL121-DS251F2595DFE4BFB99557DCCCBB0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > At one time there was someone looking for the name Dilk. If they are still > on the list, please contact me. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Charlie, I forgot to mention I also found the lack of origin to be quite common also. I found that they didn't know or they give a general area rather then a town, such as Mahren in my case. It is very frustrating to say the least ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Tiller<mailto:charlietiller@hotmail.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com<mailto:banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILK message from Harold Bratsko Mr. Bratsko (and everyone else too), I do not know of Dilk, but I have been trying to sort out the Tiller/Diller/Till/Dill/Thil/Deil names in the 18th-Century Hatzfeld vicinity. It's not clear if these names are related or not, but I continue to ponder the notion in hopes of a breakthrough. Dilk sounds similar; perhaps that could be connnected as well... or not. It's a frustrating conundrum that I may never truly answer. This does raise some fresh questions that have been lurking beneath the surface for me. The introductory part of the Hatzfeld family book lists the original settlers who came from Germany, but in its family pages there are many others identified who apparently arrived about the same time from unidentified locales. Does anyone have a clear notion if Hatzfeld was settled totally by immigrants (per the street-name tale), or if there may have been a sizable number of in-country settlers relocating there as well? I've not heard a satisfactory answer why many family book entries (thus church book entries) from the 18th-Century do not identify the person's place of origin. It would seem an obvious piece of information to record. Any feedback is appreciated. All the best to you in your searches, Charlie Tiller Charlie Tiller charlietiller@hotmail.com<mailto:charlietiller@hotmail.com> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:18:10 -0600 From: "Harold Bratsko" <bhbrat24@msn.com<mailto:bhbrat24@msn.com>> Subject: [BANAT-L] DILK To: "Banat_List" <banat@rootsweb.com<mailto:banat@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <COL121-DS251F2595DFE4BFB99557DCCCBB0@phx.gbl<mailto:COL121-DS251F2595DFE4BFB99557DCCCBB0@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" At one time there was someone looking for the name Dilk. If they are still on the list, please contact me. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Charlie, Thank you for your response. I posted this question because I remember some one asking about the name Dilk at some time. In my research I discovered my Great Grandfather married a second time to a woman with this name. I thought maybe I could help with info on this name. I discovered a shirt tail relative related to this name living in Trenton NJ where I grew up. I have seen the names your are researching in different FB's. If I can remember where, I will let you know. Thanks again, good luck to you too ! Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Tiller<mailto:charlietiller@hotmail.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com<mailto:banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] DILK message from Harold Bratsko Mr. Bratsko (and everyone else too), I do not know of Dilk, but I have been trying to sort out the Tiller/Diller/Till/Dill/Thil/Deil names in the 18th-Century Hatzfeld vicinity. It's not clear if these names are related or not, but I continue to ponder the notion in hopes of a breakthrough. Dilk sounds similar; perhaps that could be connnected as well... or not. It's a frustrating conundrum that I may never truly answer. This does raise some fresh questions that have been lurking beneath the surface for me. The introductory part of the Hatzfeld family book lists the original settlers who came from Germany, but in its family pages there are many others identified who apparently arrived about the same time from unidentified locales. Does anyone have a clear notion if Hatzfeld was settled totally by immigrants (per the street-name tale), or if there may have been a sizable number of in-country settlers relocating there as well? I've not heard a satisfactory answer why many family book entries (thus church book entries) from the 18th-Century do not identify the person's place of origin. It would seem an obvious piece of information to record. Any feedback is appreciated. All the best to you in your searches, Charlie Tiller Charlie Tiller charlietiller@hotmail.com<mailto:charlietiller@hotmail.com> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:18:10 -0600 From: "Harold Bratsko" <bhbrat24@msn.com<mailto:bhbrat24@msn.com>> Subject: [BANAT-L] DILK To: "Banat_List" <banat@rootsweb.com<mailto:banat@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <COL121-DS251F2595DFE4BFB99557DCCCBB0@phx.gbl<mailto:COL121-DS251F2595DFE4BFB99557DCCCBB0@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" At one time there was someone looking for the name Dilk. If they are still on the list, please contact me. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mr. Bratsko (and everyone else too), I do not know of Dilk, but I have been trying to sort out the Tiller/Diller/Till/Dill/Thil/Deil names in the 18th-Century Hatzfeld vicinity. It's not clear if these names are related or not, but I continue to ponder the notion in hopes of a breakthrough. Dilk sounds similar; perhaps that could be connnected as well... or not. It's a frustrating conundrum that I may never truly answer. This does raise some fresh questions that have been lurking beneath the surface for me. The introductory part of the Hatzfeld family book lists the original settlers who came from Germany, but in its family pages there are many others identified who apparently arrived about the same time from unidentified locales. Does anyone have a clear notion if Hatzfeld was settled totally by immigrants (per the street-name tale), or if there may have been a sizable number of in-country settlers relocating there as well? I've not heard a satisfactory answer why many family book entries (thus church book entries) from the 18th-Century do not identify the person's place of origin. It would seem an obvious piece of information to record. Any feedback is appreciated. All the best to you in your searches, Charlie Tiller Charlie Tiller charlietiller@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:18:10 -0600 From: "Harold Bratsko" <bhbrat24@msn.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] DILK To: "Banat_List" <banat@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <COL121-DS251F2595DFE4BFB99557DCCCBB0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" At one time there was someone looking for the name Dilk. If they are still on the list, please contact me.

hello: This message is for Eileen and George. Note what Denise says about Lorenz Horvath. Dave Weinfurtner

Hello Rose, Some of us booked the rooms at Red Lion Inn, in Salem: http://redlion.rdln.com/HotelLocator/HotelOverview.aspx?metaID=42 Looking forwards to see you in Mt. Angel soon, Rosina www.hrastovac.net Hello Rosina, I'm sorry to bother you again. I booked 2 rooms at the Keizer Renaissance Inn for us and our friends, but could only get accommodation for Sept. 17, 18 and 19. I would like to book rooms close by for the 16th as well, but I'm not familiar with the area. In your experience over the years with these celebrations, do you know of any reasonably-priced motels close by that I could contact? I would very much appreciate any leads or suggestions you could offer. Thank you, Rose Vetter

John and Henry; Up to ca 1880 it was standard practice for the government to change garrison stations of regiments every year. This prevented the troops from establishing close contacts with the local population. Many Hungarian regiments were stationed at various localities in Northern Italy. Two battalions of the regiment were usually stationed in a garrison station while the third training battalion was stationed in the recruiting district. According to Blodgett(FEEFHS Journal IX (2001)) the 37th IR recruited continuously from 1781 to 1883 in Bihar-Sued. To determine the location of the 37th IR you might consult the regimental history of the regiment. Other sources which may be useful are Ramming, "Der Feldzug in Ungarn und Siebenbuergen im Sommer des Jahres 1849", Pest 1850 Ruestow, "Geschichte des Ungarischen Insurrectionskrieges in den Jahren 1848 und 1849", Zurich 1861 Kiszling, "Die Revolution im Kaisertum Oesterreich 1848-1849", Wien 1948 Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Fischer" <hjfischer@rogers.com> To: "John Walter" <walt31wil2003@yahoo.com>; <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] 37th Infantry Regiment > Dear John, > > This might be a bit off course but in the Military Archives I found that > the > 37th Infantry Regigment did garrison duty at Lemberg in 1866 as few years > after 1848. Lemberg was located in Galicia and known as Lvov by the > Ukrainians and the Poles had another name for it that escapes me at the > moment. > > Henry Fischer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walter" <walt31wil2003@yahoo.com> > To: <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:18 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] 37th Infantry Regiment > > > Would anybody know where the 37th Infantry Regiment was garisoned in, or > had > action 1848? > John Walter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List: I am researching a microfilm from Family Search for one of the cities in the Banat, and I find that the Mother's maiden name is not listed in the Birth (Baptismal)records. Only the mother's first name (Maria, Anna, Margaretha or whatever) is listed. What is the reason for this? do one of the godparents have the same surname? Thank you once again in advance for answering my questions. Dave Weinfurtner

Hi, ? Would anyone happen to know if there were troops of Bohemians in Hungary around the middle to late seventeenth century, and if so any information on?why? ? -Christina Roxin

Dear John, This might be a bit off course but in the Military Archives I found that the 37th Infantry Regigment did garrison duty at Lemberg in 1866 as few years after 1848. Lemberg was located in Galicia and known as Lvov by the Ukrainians and the Poles had another name for it that escapes me at the moment. Henry Fischer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walter" <walt31wil2003@yahoo.com> To: <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:18 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] 37th Infantry Regiment Would anybody know where the 37th Infantry Regiment was garisoned in, or had action 1848? John Walter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would anybody know where the 37th Infantry Regiment was garisoned in, or had action 1848? John Walter

Amy; The Lazarfeld family book by Hans Repp only covers records 1895-1943. The only event in the book on this family is the death of a son Johann on 15 Jul 1897 in Lazarfeld. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:48 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Lazarfeld lookup - Massong > Hello All, > > > > I am wondering if someone would be so kind to look up a name in the > Lazarfeld Familienbuch? I'm not sure what dates it covers and I think I > read somewhere that there were two different books? > > > > The family I'm searching for information on is the Massongs. Fredrick > (Frigyes) Massong (born about 1847) and Maria Filips (born abt 1850 in > Katherinefeld) had a son, Stefan Massong, on 15 Feb 1884 and all records > indicate that he was born in Lazarfeld. This family moved to Setschanfeld > before 1889, as they had another daughter born there. > > > > I was hoping there was some listing for this family in the book. > > > > I would very much appreciate the help! Thanks so much! > > Amy Nichols > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Cathy, Thank you for the follow-up on my request. As I mentioned, I have very little information on my ggm Amalia KOCSI. Having these additional names may help me make a connection in time. Each is another piece of the puzzle. Best regards, Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Teufel" <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:26 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Kocsi in Darowa Hi Charles, Since Buzias is not far from Darowa, I checked the Darowa family book for your surname. I found a few entries, which probably will eventually be linked to your family: KOCSI Johann *1875 oo NOVAK Maria *1875 KOCSI Mathias Fassbinder *1890 Lebensort: Bol oo BOLEN Katalin *1890 Lebensort: Bol 1. Gertrud * 15.10.1919 Bol *"Szalay-Puszta" Tp 1. Gertrud Zwurtschek KOTSY Elisabeth *1835 Bol +04.10.1837 Bol +als Tv. Josef K. - Eva Horvath KOCZI Rosalia aus Jam-Weisskirchen oo TOTOK Peter Good luck in your search. Cathy Teufel O'Neill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have, Anna Lenhard born 1864 in Mollydorf, was the daughter of Franz Lenhard and Theresia Massong. Anna Lenhard married Josef Tulwich (Dulvich, Dulvick) in Dueutsch Etschka in 1880. Josef and Anna would be my great grandparents. Pat Haley . > From: anichols@att.net > To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:48:53 -0400 > Subject: [BANAT-L] Lazarfeld lookup - Massong > > Hello All, > > > > I am wondering if someone would be so kind to look up a name in the > Lazarfeld Familienbuch? I'm not sure what dates it covers and I think I > read somewhere that there were two different books? > > > > The family I'm searching for information on is the Massongs. Fredrick > (Frigyes) Massong (born about 1847) and Maria Filips (born abt 1850 in > Katherinefeld) had a son, Stefan Massong, on 15 Feb 1884 and all records > indicate that he was born in Lazarfeld. This family moved to Setschanfeld > before 1889, as they had another daughter born there. > > > > I was hoping there was some listing for this family in the book. > > > > I would very much appreciate the help! Thanks so much! > > Amy Nichols > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message