Hello I am from Algeria and I am looking for the first Banat comming to Algeria and where they comming from? the origine of Banat familly in algeria (North of africa) Thank you and best regards > Message du 21/09/10 09:24 > De : banat-request@rootsweb.com > A : banat@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 252 > > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Nothof family help? (Dave Dreyer) > 2. Re: Nothof in Rustodorf (Dave Dreyer) > 3. Banat Map (Denise Sproed) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:40:28 -0700 > From: "Dave Dreyer" > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Nothof family help? > To: > Cc: Banat List > Message-ID: <68F7B23D2863430BA055D07671887D8D@D99J3Q21> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Debbie; > Elisabeth and Magdalena came on the ship Koeln from Bremen to Baltimore arriving 1 Oct 1906. They were from Ruskodorf and their destination was to an uncle, Christof Sebastian in Chiago. That is the easy part. No one has the Ruskodorf church books(KBs)----that I know of. That means that the KBs will have to be consulted in what ever archives they are deposited in-----probably Gr Kikinda. This would require a trip to the archives or contact a researcher in Serbia to do it for a fee. > If you want to follow the latter option I can recomend a lady who lives in Gr Kikinda. She is frequently used by Banat List subscribers. Steve has probably recomended that you subscribe to the Banat List. If not, you should consider it. It is possible that you can find other Ruskodorf researchers on the list. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DaJoDane@aol.com > To: ddreyer@pacbell.net > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:17 PM > Subject: Nothof family help? > > > > Hello Dave, > > I am trying to research my family. I have gone as far back as my Great-Grandmother, Magdalena Nothof b: Aug. 9th 1887 - d: Oct. 14th, 1978 from Hungary coming by boat into America via Maryland. She came with her sister, Elizabeth. > > Their older brother, Anton, ( Born: May 3rd, 1884),came separately. > > Steve Herold said you might be able to help me. > > > Can you help at all? > > Thank you, > > Debbie > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:41:51 -0700 > From: "Dave Dreyer" > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Nothof in Rustodorf > To: > Cc: Banat List > Message-ID: <8A7366295E7148269303B8F04B5A471C@D99J3Q21> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Debbie; > Firstly I concur with John Walter. When I got your message the Ostern family book was the first place I looked to see if I could find your guys. > Your great grandmother was an ethnic German living in Hungary. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DaJoDane@aol.com > To: ddreyer@pacbell.net > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: Nothof family help? > > > > Thank you for your help Dave. I have joined the Banat list as of last week. > > Forgive my ignorance, I have tried looking on the internet for maps from 1900 > because I was always told Great-Grandma was from Germany, yet any info > I am receiving says she was from Hungary? In thinking I am of German descent maybe I am not and I am Hungarian? Just curious. > > Thank you, > > Debbie > > > In a message dated 9/20/2010 6:40:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ddreyer@pacbell.net writes: > Debbie; > Elisabeth and Magdalena came on the ship Koeln from Bremen to Baltimore arriving 1 Oct 1906. They were from Ruskodorf and their destination was to an uncle, Christof Sebastian in Chiago. That is the easy part. No one has the Ruskodorf church books(KBs)----that I know of. That means that the KBs will have to be consulted in what ever archives they are deposited in-----probably Gr Kikinda. This would require a trip to the archives or contact a researcher in Serbia to do it for a fee. > If you want to follow the latter option I can recomend a lady who lives in Gr Kikinda. She is frequently used by Banat List subscribers. Steve has probably recomended that you subscribe to the Banat List. If not, you should consider it. It is possible that you can find other Ruskodorf researchers on the list. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DaJoDane@aol.com > To: ddreyer@pacbell.net > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:17 PM > Subject: Nothof family help? > > > > Hello Dave, > > I am trying to research my family. I have gone as far back as my Great-Grandmother, Magdalena Nothof b: Aug. 9th 1887 - d: Oct. 14th, 1978 from Hungary coming by boat into America via Maryland. She came with her sister, Elizabeth. > > Their older brother, Anton, ( Born: May 3rd, 1884),came separately. > > Steve Herold said you might be able to help me. > > > Can you help at all? > > Thank you, > > Debbie > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:54:02 -0700 > From: "Denise Sproed" > Subject: [BANAT-L] Banat Map > To: > Cc: 'Banat List' > Message-ID: <004801cb5940$a21c3e10$e654ba30$@onlinenw.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Debbie, > I've enjoyed learning from the following map: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html > > It helped me understand how my ancestors were GERMAN but located in Hungary > - some of the townships were Hungarian, some German and some mixed. > > Denise > With ancestors from Neupanat and Pankota > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to > BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 252 > ************************************* > > Une messagerie gratuite, garantie à vie et des services en plus, ça vous tente ? 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Hello Danube Swabian ‘Cousins’! It was the prediction of the first snow that sent me down the mountain and home from Mt. Hood’s (11,240 feet) Timberline Lodge sooner than planed, and as I know you are all eager to hear about this year’s Mt. Angel Treffen, I have been thinking all those 700 km of driving home of the best word that describes it. It’s GEMÜTLICH! However it was not only very gemütlich but educational as well. RAY BORSCHOWA introduced us to Mt. Angel’s history and also the history of our DS’ Treffen in Mt. Angel, as this year it was our 10th get together. Imagine! As JERRY JACOBS came down with whooping cough at his tender age, he promised to give us his Gasko Research presentation next year instead. We are looking forwards to it, and Jerry, please don’t come down with measles at that time! Yours truly talked about the sad tale of the Danube Swabian Lost Children and she was not the only one close to tears. Our lovely ANN MORRISON, the producer of The Forgotten Genocide documentary talked about how and why she made the film. She is leaving at the time of this writing for Germany and Banat to film interviews for her next project. We are all looking forwards to it and are making her a honorary Danube Swabian. Ann is of Polish descent. While the presentation of the Danube Swabian Lost Children made us sad, luckily GLENN SCHWARTZ made us all laugh with his Banat slides presentation, which you will also be able to see soon again. It seams the Banat travelers went from one feast to another and the only DS research-based photo Glenn presented to us was a cemetery photo! MARCIA FAY very eagerly tried to teach us the Volkshymne der Deutschen in Ungarn on both days and we hope she still has some confidence left to make us ready for Metropolitan Opera any time soon. While the rest of the crowd left that Friday for Mt. Angel’s Oktoberfest festivities and I hope they had their umbrellas with them, a chosen few headed for LEAH OTT’S enchanting farmstead and her hands on Strudel class. And did we make Strudels! Cherry, Apple, Peach, Pumpkin, Cabbage, Poppy seed, and Nuts, if I remember them all. Of course the participants had to taste and compare which one was the best, but there was still tons of Strudel left to share with everyone at Saturday’s coffee break. Leah even made poppy seed yeast Strudel especially for us –bringing it still oven warm-, which just melted in our mouths. Now there is an example of a perfect Danube Swabian gal! Does her husband know what GEM he has for a wife? Saturday’s presentations were all earnest historical information relating to all things Donauschwaben. Our incomparable storyteller HENRY FISCHER talked about Post WWI Hungary and it was an eye opener just how a handful of government officials’ decision with their greed led to WWII. Extremely well researched and excellently presented. We all will be able to hear/see the presentation again soon. After the disbanding of Tito’s death camps was JOHN MICHELS topic. John was always a GREAT supporter of Mt. Angel’s DS Treffen, helping with the funds through U of Mary in Spokane, to cover the not-so-small costs of the meeting room rentals. Who would ever think that a spend book of St. Hubert’s museum would offer so much information on Danube Swabian history? Trust it to our most inspirational DAVE DRYER to find so much interesting things in those spend books to talk about. THE FORGOTTEN GENOCIDE documentary was shown thereafter. Quite a touching eye opener. Thank you Ann Morrison! Our computer guru DAVID PRESTON did make a video of all presentations and many of you did see it live already. Trust David to give us the opportunity to see the video of the presentations again soon. Is he not wonderful? It was also wonderful of KAREN DALTON PRESTON to look after the silent auction, of JEAN FISCHER to supervise the book sales, of DIANE BORSCHOWA to bring us lunch on both days and of all those KITCHEN ANGELS who in true Danube Swabian way jumped in to give a hand without even without being asked. What a great commuinity spirit! A GREAT THANK-YOU to all participants, especially those who donated books and CD’s for the silent auction. The proceeds were used to cover the meeting rooms rentals, as well as the Saturday night room rental. You will be pleased to know that the rooms at Keizer Renascence Inn and meeting hall at the Keizer Heritage Center are reserved for next year’s Treffen already, which will be 15TH TO 18TH of September 2011. Please circle that date in your 2011 calendar and I am looking forwards to see you all there! Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net

Denise, Great map! Thanks! John "We do not remember days, we remember moments." - Cesare Pavese On Sep 21, 2010, banat-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Nothof family help? (Dave Dreyer) 2. Re: Nothof in Rustodorf (Dave Dreyer) 3. Banat Map (Denise Sproed) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:40:28 -0700 From: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Nothof family help? To: <DaJoDane@aol.com> Cc: Banat List <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <68F7B23D2863430BA055D07671887D8D@D99J3Q21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Debbie; Elisabeth and Magdalena came on the ship Koeln from Bremen to Baltimore arriving 1 Oct 1906. They were from Ruskodorf and their destination was to an uncle, Christof Sebastian in Chiago. That is the easy part. No one has the Ruskodorf church books(KBs)----that I know of. That means that the KBs will have to be consulted in what ever archives they are deposited in-----probably Gr Kikinda. This would require a trip to the archives or contact a researcher in Serbia to do it for a fee. If you want to follow the latter option I can recomend a lady who lives in Gr Kikinda. She is frequently used by Banat List subscribers. Steve has probably recomended that you subscribe to the Banat List. If not, you should consider it. It is possible that you can find other Ruskodorf researchers on the list. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: DaJoDane@aol.com To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:17 PM Subject: Nothof family help? Hello Dave, I am trying to research my family. I have gone as far back as my Great-Grandmother, Magdalena Nothof b: Aug. 9th 1887 - d: Oct. 14th, 1978 from Hungary coming by boat into America via Maryland. She came with her sister, Elizabeth. Their older brother, Anton, ( Born: May 3rd, 1884),came separately. Steve Herold said you might be able to help me. Can you help at all? Thank you, Debbie ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:41:51 -0700 From: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Nothof in Rustodorf To: <DaJoDane@aol.com> Cc: Banat List <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8A7366295E7148269303B8F04B5A471C@D99J3Q21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Debbie; Firstly I concur with John Walter. When I got your message the Ostern family book was the first place I looked to see if I could find your guys. Your great grandmother was an ethnic German living in Hungary. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: DaJoDane@aol.com To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Nothof family help? Thank you for your help Dave. I have joined the Banat list as of last week. Forgive my ignorance, I have tried looking on the internet for maps from 1900 because I was always told Great-Grandma was from Germany, yet any info I am receiving says she was from Hungary? In thinking I am of German descent maybe I am not and I am Hungarian? Just curious. Thank you, Debbie In a message dated 9/20/2010 6:40:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ddreyer@pacbell.net writes: Debbie; Elisabeth and Magdalena came on the ship Koeln from Bremen to Baltimore arriving 1 Oct 1906. They were from Ruskodorf and their destination was to an uncle, Christof Sebastian in Chiago. That is the easy part. No one has the Ruskodorf church books(KBs)----that I know of. That means that the KBs will have to be consulted in what ever archives they are deposited in-----probably Gr Kikinda. This would require a trip to the archives or contact a researcher in Serbia to do it for a fee. If you want to follow the latter option I can recomend a lady who lives in Gr Kikinda. She is frequently used by Banat List subscribers. Steve has probably recomended that you subscribe to the Banat List. If not, you should consider it. It is possible that you can find other Ruskodorf researchers on the list. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: DaJoDane@aol.com To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:17 PM Subject: Nothof family help? Hello Dave, I am trying to research my family. I have gone as far back as my Great-Grandmother, Magdalena Nothof b: Aug. 9th 1887 - d: Oct. 14th, 1978 from Hungary coming by boat into America via Maryland. She came with her sister, Elizabeth. Their older brother, Anton, ( Born: May 3rd, 1884),came separately. Steve Herold said you might be able to help me. Can you help at all? Thank you, Debbie ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:54:02 -0700 From: "Denise Sproed" <DeniseSproed@onlinenw.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] Banat Map To: <DaJoDane@aol.com> Cc: 'Banat List' <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004801cb5940$a21c3e10$e654ba30$@onlinenw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Debbie, I've enjoyed learning from the following map: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html It helped me understand how my ancestors were GERMAN but located in Hungary - some of the townships were Hungarian, some German and some mixed. Denise With ancestors from Neupanat and Pankota ------------------------------ To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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The tenth Donauschwaeben Heritage Celebration at Mt Angel, Oregon this last weekend is now history. On this two day meeting there were a sprinkling of attendees who had been at the first meeting ten years ago when an informal group had met on the steps of the Mt Angel city hall. The program this year was as follows Ray Borschowa(Mt Angel) who gave a talk on the German element in Mt Angel and which included a number of photos of the group's previous meetings. Glenn Schwartz(Regina) lectured on the many personal contacts he and his co-travelers had made during their three trips to the Banat. Jerry Jakobs (Bloomfield Mich) scheduled to speak but unfortunately was unable to attend. Henry Fischer(Oshawa Ont Canada) discussed the complex series of events accompanying the fragmentation of Hungary following World War I and leading up to World War II. Rosina Schmidt (Nanaimo BC Canada)gave a talk about the fate of kids who lost their parents in Serbian concentration camps during the period 1944-1947. John Michels(Spokane)discussed the political situation in Serbia which followed from the disbanding of the Serbian concentrations camps. Dave Dreyer(San Mateo CA) discussed the founding of the St Hubert Heimat Museum. Anna Morrison(St Louis) discussed her program to interview and document survivors of the Serb concentration camps. The filming these interviews has resulted in a format more adapted to potentially reach a much wider audience than print alone. We will look forward to eventually seeing some of her films on our local PBS station. The film can be previewed at ; http://www.hectv.org:80/programs/spec/program.php?specialid=49 See also; http://www.501connect.com/non-profit-news/the-forgotten-genocide-from-shared-stories-to-service-project-to-a-documentary-project The book sales table of donated books was a roaring success this year and sold out most of the material which will offset some of the expenses associated with renting the venue. All the AVBF Banat family books which are on CD were also available for sale at the event. The audio visual support was provided by David Preston(Las Vegas) who arranged for a live broadcast of the talks from the meeting and which was viewed worldwide by 146 people. Dave Dreyer

----- Original Message ----- From: <davidk@camparkbooks.com> To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:44 AM Subject: Banater Literature Hello, My name is David Kesterson. I buy and sell used books, some rare and some mundane. I recently acquired a book entitled "Weiden biegen sich im Wind" by Hans Bohn. The subtitle is "Banater Lesebuch aus bewegten Zeiten." It is a hardcover book with a photo of a young child weaving baskets on the front cover. I don't know if this is of interest to you or not. I will eventually log it into Amazon.com. It is available on Amazon.de where it is priced at 79 EUR or about $103. I would be happy to sell it for $65 plus shipping prior to placing it on Amazon. The bottom corners of the book are slightly bumped but it is otherwise like new. Thanks for your time. Dave K Cameron Park Books

Hi Debbie, I've enjoyed learning from the following map: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~romban/map/xymap.html It helped me understand how my ancestors were GERMAN but located in Hungary - some of the townships were Hungarian, some German and some mixed. Denise With ancestors from Neupanat and Pankota

Debbie; Firstly I concur with John Walter. When I got your message the Ostern family book was the first place I looked to see if I could find your guys. Your great grandmother was an ethnic German living in Hungary. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: DaJoDane@aol.com To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Nothof family help? Thank you for your help Dave. I have joined the Banat list as of last week. Forgive my ignorance, I have tried looking on the internet for maps from 1900 because I was always told Great-Grandma was from Germany, yet any info I am receiving says she was from Hungary? In thinking I am of German descent maybe I am not and I am Hungarian? Just curious. Thank you, Debbie In a message dated 9/20/2010 6:40:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ddreyer@pacbell.net writes: Debbie; Elisabeth and Magdalena came on the ship Koeln from Bremen to Baltimore arriving 1 Oct 1906. They were from Ruskodorf and their destination was to an uncle, Christof Sebastian in Chiago. That is the easy part. No one has the Ruskodorf church books(KBs)----that I know of. That means that the KBs will have to be consulted in what ever archives they are deposited in-----probably Gr Kikinda. This would require a trip to the archives or contact a researcher in Serbia to do it for a fee. If you want to follow the latter option I can recomend a lady who lives in Gr Kikinda. She is frequently used by Banat List subscribers. Steve has probably recomended that you subscribe to the Banat List. If not, you should consider it. It is possible that you can find other Ruskodorf researchers on the list. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: DaJoDane@aol.com To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:17 PM Subject: Nothof family help? Hello Dave, I am trying to research my family. I have gone as far back as my Great-Grandmother, Magdalena Nothof b: Aug. 9th 1887 - d: Oct. 14th, 1978 from Hungary coming by boat into America via Maryland. She came with her sister, Elizabeth. Their older brother, Anton, ( Born: May 3rd, 1884),came separately. Steve Herold said you might be able to help me. Can you help at all? Thank you, Debbie

Debbie; Elisabeth and Magdalena came on the ship Koeln from Bremen to Baltimore arriving 1 Oct 1906. They were from Ruskodorf and their destination was to an uncle, Christof Sebastian in Chiago. That is the easy part. No one has the Ruskodorf church books(KBs)----that I know of. That means that the KBs will have to be consulted in what ever archives they are deposited in-----probably Gr Kikinda. This would require a trip to the archives or contact a researcher in Serbia to do it for a fee. If you want to follow the latter option I can recomend a lady who lives in Gr Kikinda. She is frequently used by Banat List subscribers. Steve has probably recomended that you subscribe to the Banat List. If not, you should consider it. It is possible that you can find other Ruskodorf researchers on the list. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: DaJoDane@aol.com To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:17 PM Subject: Nothof family help? Hello Dave, I am trying to research my family. I have gone as far back as my Great-Grandmother, Magdalena Nothof b: Aug. 9th 1887 - d: Oct. 14th, 1978 from Hungary coming by boat into America via Maryland. She came with her sister, Elizabeth. Their older brother, Anton, ( Born: May 3rd, 1884),came separately. Steve Herold said you might be able to help me. Can you help at all? Thank you, Debbie

The Karlsdorfer Vergnügungs Klub will host their 55th Kirchweih this November 20th, 2010 in Des Plaines, IL All are welcome! Please check the website for additional information www.karlsdorf.org

In case you need Ewald Spang's message translated, it reads as follows: Dear Messrs. Edward Lowe and Joe Morris, I have received your e-mails, but unfortunately I cannot reply to them as the e-mails came back with some kind of failure message which I don't understand. I tried from several servers, but without any luck. Mr. Morris, the money arrived, thank you - the books are on their way if you have not already received them. Mr. Lowe, Peter Dian sent you an e-mail on September 1st - did you receive it? Send us your postal address and then we will send you the books. Best wishes, Ewald Spang. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ewald Spang" <espang@freenet.de> To: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:22 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Edward Lowe - Joe Morris Geehrte Herrn Edward Lowe und Joe Morris, Ihre mails habe ich erhalten, leider kann ich Ihnen nicht antworten da die mails mit irgendwelchen Fehlermeldungen die ich nicht verstehe zurückkommen. Hab's von verschiedenen Servern versucht, ohne Erfolg. Herr Morris, das Geld ist angekommen, danke, die Bücher sind unterwegs wenn Sie sie nicht schon erhalten haben. Herr Lowe, Peter Dian hat ihnen am 01.September eine Mail geschrieben, haben Sie diese erhalten? Senden Sie uns Ihre Post Adresse und wir schicken ihnen die Bücher. Mit den besten Grüßen Ewald Spang ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Geehrte Herrn Edward Lowe und Joe Morris, Ihre mails habe ich erhalten, leider kann ich Ihnen nicht antworten da die mails mit irgendwelchen Fehlermeldungen die ich nicht verstehe zurückkommen. Hab's von verschiedenen Servern versucht, ohne Erfolg. Herr Morris, das Geld ist angekommen, danke, die Bücher sind unterwegs wenn Sie sie nicht schon erhalten haben. Herr Lowe, Peter Dian hat ihnen am 01.September eine Mail geschrieben, haben Sie diese erhalten? Senden Sie uns Ihre Post Adresse und wir schicken ihnen die Bücher. Mit den besten Grüßen Ewald Spang

Jennifer; There are lists in the front of the Hatzfeld family book which is available on a CD. See Banatbooks.com There are also extensive lists in the Hatzfeld Heimatbuch. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Chiaverini" <jen@elmcreek.net> To: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Hatzfeld original records > Is there somewhere we can obtain the lists of the original settlers? > > Thanks, > Jennifer > > On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Dave Dreyer wrote: > >> As the Hatzfeld family book indicates the >> records start in 1766. There are no Tillers in the various lists of the >> initial settlers Henz gives in the beginning of the book > >

Hello all, Despite several previous promises, I still have not received the full DILLER/TILLER entries from the Grabatz family book. It happens; I'm not upset. However, I'm getting to a point where I need that information for a project I'm working on. If anyone who has access to the Grabatz family bok can send those entries my way in the near future, I'd much appreciate it. Thank you, Charlie Tiller Charlie Tiller charlietiller@hotmail.com

Amy; I get an inquiry about Ernsthausen research and its records about every month or two. There are a fair number of researchers who are interested in these records. The information that Bruck gives about the location of the Ernsthausen records is essentially correct. I would differ on his comments about the archives. >From what I have heard over the years they are not user friendly and not well organized. It is my understanding that filming of the records with a digital camera is not permitted and that copies cost about a Euro/page. In spite of these obstacles it is likely a determined researcher could get copies of the records. It only makes sense for Ernsthausen researchers coordinate their efforts and attempt to obtain a complete set of the records so that eventually a family book could be written. The birth,marriage and death records 1860-1900 probably amount to ca 1000-1500 pages. Even at $1.00/page the total cost would be about $2000. If this cost were shared among all those interested in the records it would not be a prohibitive amount for any one individual. It only requires an individual who will do what it takes to organize this effort and do what it takes to acquire the records, which may require a trip to Neu Satz and sit in the archives until the records are forthcoming. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Nichols To: 'Dave Dreyer' Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 7:51 PM Subject: Ernsthausen Hi Dave, Since you seem to be so familiar with all the Familienbuchs in the works, I thought I would ask you a question about Ernsthausen, if you don't mind. Twelve years ago Nicholas Bruck sent out the following email to the list: The records for Ernsthausen from 1860 to 1900 are in the archives of the Vojvodina in Novi Sad. The address for these archives is as follows: Pavle Stanojevic, Director Archiv Vojvodine Dunavska Ulitza 35 Novi Sad, Yugoslavia Telephone (38121) 21-244 Fax (38121) 22-332 They have centralized in this archive the catholic church records from the towns where the catholic churches were closed and we really should undertake an effort perhaps via the Mormons to have all these records microfilmed or photocopied. This archive is located in the rear of the building of the Museum of Novi Sad, quite in the Center of this capital city for the Vojvodina. I visited the place last month and Marlog Miroslav, the officer in the archive, explained that we would need to contact the Minister of Culture of the Vojvodina in Novi Sad to get access to these records. The place seems to be well organized and administered and they have both microfilm equipment and photocopy machines. If you still have anybody in Ernsthausen or in other places in Yugoslavia, they can go to these archives and copy out of these books the data you need. Particularly of you know the name and the year of individuals, then this task is considerably simplified. I looked at the site that lists all the Familienbuchs that are being worked on, but did not see anything for Ernsthausen. So I was just curious if you might know if anyone ever was able to microfilm these records or if you've heard anything that might be in the works for this village? I know that the Sartscha book contains some information from Ernsthausen, but that only seems to be a small number of the actual records that seem to be floating somewhere out there. I hope you're having a good night! I know how busy you must be and I really do appreciate all the help you've given me! Amy

Charlie If Josef Tiller had been born in Hatzfeld then the exact birth date would have been given in the family book. The birth year of 1775 is likely a calculated value based on his age at the time of marriage. If he was born in the Banat it was likely in another locality. I would suggest that you have to search other localities especially those in which settlers were temperately located until either their houses were ready or they were assigned a permanent settlement. As the Hatzfeld family book indicates the records start in 1766. There are no Tillers in the various lists of the initial settlers Henz gives in the beginning of the book so obviously they came a bit later. As Philipp Lung indicated in a recent message to the Banat List the original records that Henz employed are now unusable. To access images from the original records it will be necessary to go to the archives in Temeswar and inspect them. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Tiller" <charlietiller@hotmail.com> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 6:14 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Hatzfeld original records > > Hello all again, > > I have a query about a brick wall I've encountered from the early days of > Hatzfeld. My xth great-grandfather Joseph TILLER is listed in the > Hatzfeld family book with just an approximate birth year of 1775 and no > location. My intuition derived from various bits of circumstantial > evidence says he was born in Hatzfeld, but the family book provides no > distinct illumination on the matter. > > This leads me to wonder about the compiling of the family book and the > availability of church records from Hatzfeld. Perhaps if I could read the > preface in German these questions would be answered, but I'll ask anyway. > In what year did the Hatzfeld birth/baptism registry begin? Since there > are many family book entries from pre-1780s with no birth reference, I > guess it was after that? If there is a registry from prior to the 1780s, > I'd appreciate learning how I can access images from the original record. > There may be helpful information recorded there and not carried over to > the family book which would help with some mysteries. The same goes for a > marriage registry. > > Thanks again, > Charlie Tiller > > Charlie Tiller > charlietiller@hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all again, I have a query about a brick wall I've encountered from the early days of Hatzfeld. My xth great-grandfather Joseph TILLER is listed in the Hatzfeld family book with just an approximate birth year of 1775 and no location. My intuition derived from various bits of circumstantial evidence says he was born in Hatzfeld, but the family book provides no distinct illumination on the matter. This leads me to wonder about the compiling of the family book and the availability of church records from Hatzfeld. Perhaps if I could read the preface in German these questions would be answered, but I'll ask anyway. In what year did the Hatzfeld birth/baptism registry begin? Since there are many family book entries from pre-1780s with no birth reference, I guess it was after that? If there is a registry from prior to the 1780s, I'd appreciate learning how I can access images from the original record. There may be helpful information recorded there and not carried over to the family book which would help with some mysteries. The same goes for a marriage registry. Thanks again, Charlie Tiller Charlie Tiller charlietiller@hotmail.com

Hello Bakowa researchers, Please note that Father Reinholdt Lovasz will have the Bakowa Family Book printed in 2011. This is a transcription of all Bakowa church registers, it also extends to marriages into other Banat villages. If anyone would be interested in purchasing such a book, Father Reinholdt would need to know how many people would be interested, so that he gets an approximate amount of books he will have printed. Please respond to Father REINHOLDT LOVASZ, Schwetzinger Str. 32, 68723 - PLANKSTADT E-Mail: lovaszrm@web.de

Thanks Dave Eve On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: > Dave do you know if there are any Sklena or Halas listings in the > Oppova/Koenigsdorf book? > > Eve > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> wrote: >> Jerry; >> Oppowa and Koenigsdorf are the same place.  Koenigsdorf is the German name >> for Oppowa.  And yes, Oppowa and Oppova are spelling varients of the same >> place.  I assume Oppowa is the prefered German version. >> Keep in mind that the family book only goes to 1872 so that your guy could >> have lived there after this time. >> Dave Dreyer >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Remillong" <jerrymandering@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 11:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 238 >> >> >>> Dave, >>> A belated thank you for checking for Remillong entries in the Koenigsdorf >>> FB for >>> me.  I meant to originally verify that FB does include the town of Oppowa >>> as I >>> have seen referenced? >>> >>> Also that my gg-uncle spelled it "Oppova" in several places but I assumed >>> that >>> was the same place?  Please correct me if I am mistaken. >>> Thanks again, >>> Jerry Remillong >>> >>> >> > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Eve; These two surnames are widely distributed among the Banat Frontier localities including Koenigsdorf. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve" <evebrown@gmail.com> To: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Cc: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Koenigsdorf-Oppowa Dave do you know if there are any Sklena or Halas listings in the Oppova/Koenigsdorf book? Eve On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> wrote: > Jerry; > Oppowa and Koenigsdorf are the same place. Koenigsdorf is the German name > for Oppowa. And yes, Oppowa and Oppova are spelling varients of the same > place. I assume Oppowa is the prefered German version. > Keep in mind that the family book only goes to 1872 so that your guy could > have lived there after this time. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Remillong" <jerrymandering@sbcglobal.net> > To: <banat@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 11:14 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 238 > > >> Dave, >> A belated thank you for checking for Remillong entries in the Koenigsdorf >> FB for >> me. I meant to originally verify that FB does include the town of Oppowa >> as I >> have seen referenced? >> >> Also that my gg-uncle spelled it "Oppova" in several places but I assumed >> that >> was the same place? Please correct me if I am mistaken. >> Thanks again, >> Jerry Remillong >> >> >

Dave do you know if there are any Sklena or Halas listings in the Oppova/Koenigsdorf book? Eve On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> wrote: > Jerry; > Oppowa and Koenigsdorf are the same place.  Koenigsdorf is the German name > for Oppowa.  And yes, Oppowa and Oppova are spelling varients of the same > place.  I assume Oppowa is the prefered German version. > Keep in mind that the family book only goes to 1872 so that your guy could > have lived there after this time. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Remillong" <jerrymandering@sbcglobal.net> > To: <banat@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 11:14 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 5, Issue 238 > > >> Dave, >> A belated thank you for checking for Remillong entries in the Koenigsdorf >> FB for >> me.  I meant to originally verify that FB does include the town of Oppowa >> as I >> have seen referenced? >> >> Also that my gg-uncle spelled it "Oppova" in several places but I assumed >> that >> was the same place?  Please correct me if I am mistaken. >> Thanks again, >> Jerry Remillong >> >> >