I want to thank all of you who worked so hard on the Mt. Angel presentations. Thank you so much for posting the videos. The presentations were superb and so helpful, and the videos are treasures. Thank you so much for sharing the hard work and research! I am learning a lot from them! To Pete Modreski- I have Toma/ Thoma/ Dama/ and possibly Damas ancestors in Triebswetter. The names seem to be interchangeable, even within the same documents. "My" Maria Dama was married to Fransciscus Oberding/ Obertin 20/5/1858. Her parents are Nicholas Thoma and Maria Elizabeth Marcaire, also of Triebswetter, however her Thoma grandparents were from Geisselbach or Geisenbach. I can send you the information on those families from Lothar Renard's Triebswetter Familienbuch if it is of interest to you. Best regards, Christine Lines

Peter -- I'm not sure of which maps you have seen but this one seems to be the best one I have used for the Banat. It is a map on a grid -- look on the left side to locate a village which will lead you to the exact location. http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp The other good thing is that it can be easily printed for a hands-on reference. My ancestors came from Glogowatz. Prior to that some were in Neupanat/Ujpanat and Sankt Anna. And a few I have found in Arad. If you do a search on the Banat List, you may find other postings about Schag. Or just do a Google Search on the village name, Schag, and any mention of the town will show up. Good luck in finding other Schag descendents. I know that Simon, Michel, and possibly Toma/Thoma show up in Glogowatz. Michel is Joseph b. about 1744 d. 26 September 1826 in Glogowatz Johan Michel married to Katharina Muehlin about 1765; she died 13 May 1827 Glogowatz then he married Elisabeth Schubert. Keep in mind that many lists do a Roll Call at the beginning of the year where people list where their ancestors hailed. You can do a search on the list to see if this has been done. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <pmodreski@aol.com> To: <Banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] a question - locations of family origin of people on theBanat listserv? > > > Hi, all, and perhaps I will think in terms of directing this message > particularly to Rosina, who seems to be somewhat the "organizer" of both > this listserv and of the Mt. Angel conference about which we've read so > much, As a relatively new person on this listserv (less than a year), I > have been curious as to whether anyone has ever attempted to compile any > sort of list or map showing just where within the Banat region, the family > origins of the members of this listserv, or the attendees at one or more > of the past Mt. Angel conferences, are from. > > Although this listserv has made me aware of one or more good online maps > in which Banat towns can be located, as well as the passenger lists of > ships on which my family traveled, when I read posts from someone whose > family was from a particular town I usually cannot relate to within the > whole region this might be, unless I were to look up the specific town > name and locate it on a map. I've wondered if some areas within the Banat > have more representation that others among the people on this listserv--as > to specific towns, or even just as to regions within the parts of the > Banat which are now Romania, Hungary, Serbia, etc. Of course, I'm > especially interested in finding out whether there are people on the > listserv who are from the particular area from which my (mother's side) > family originated; the village of Schag, just south of > Temeschwar/Timisoara/Temeschburg; the family names are Michl/Michel, > Simon, and Toma/Thoma, and they emigrated to the eastern U.S. > (Philadelphia a! > nd NJ area) and/or Canada in 1906-1908. > > A map of where people's families were from seems like the sort of thing > that might have been done at one of the Mt. Angel conferences--perhaps > just by having people stick pins in a map? (Or, perhaps, not!) > > I would appreciate hearing if anyone is aware of any map or listing of the > sort I'm thinking of; and if not, perhaps there might be some interest in > and ready way of compiling such a thing? > > Sincerely, > Pete Modreski (mother's name, Michl), Wheat Ridge, CO, pmodreski@aol.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Amy, I actually descend from the Molidorf Lambert's (My great-grandmother was Katherine Lambert (1878-1963) from Molidorf). I'll contact you tonight when I get home and have all of my info in front of me. Scott --- On Wed, 9/29/10, Amy Nichols <anichols@att.net> wrote: > From: Amy Nichols <anichols@att.net> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] St. Hubert and Molidorf Assistance - Lambert > To: "'Banat List'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 12:19 PM > Thanks so much, Dave!  I > appreciate their children's names that were born in > Mollydorf.  I was hoping their son, Johann, would show > up there.  Their > daughter, Maria (b 1859), is listed as dying in 1861.  > They had a daughter, > Katharina, that was born in that same date who married in > Setschanfeld.  So > perhaps she was a twin or that date might not be correct. > > Thank you again for all your help, > Amy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:50 PM > To: Banat List > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] St. Hubert and Molidorf Assistance - > Lambert > > Amy; > Lambert Michael, son of Nikolaus Lambert and Margaret > Schulz > *14 Nov 1822 Soultour 70 > oo 18 Oct 1847 Ostern > Klein Maria > *1822 Soultour > Peter        *23 May 1854 > Mollydorf    +7 Apr 1860 Mollydorf > Nikolaus  *24 Dec 1855 Mollydof > Kath Barb  *2 Dec 1857 Mollydorf > Maria         *14 Aug > 1859       +29 Aug 1861 Mollydorf > > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> > To: "'Banat List'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:40 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] St. Hubert and Molidorf Assistance - > Lambert > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > I am  hoping that someone may be able to see if > there is any information > > on > > a couple from either St. Hubert or Molidorf. > > > > > > > > Michael Lambert and Maria Anna Klein had four children > that lived in > > Setschanfeld: > > > > > > > > 1.       Johann Lambert - his > marriage record states he was from St. > > Hubert > > and would have been born between 1848-1853. > > > > 2.       Josef Lambert - > marriage record states he was born in Molidorf > > around 1853. > > > > 3.       Nikolaus Lambert - > death record states he born in Molidorf around > > 1855. > > > > 4.       Katharina Lambert - > marriage record states she was born in > > Molidorf > > on 13 Aug 1859 > > > > > > > > If anyone would be willing to look and see if there is > any additional > > information in either the St. Hubert or Molidorf > Familienbuch, I would > > appreciate it so much!  I spoke with Johann's > great granddaughter > > yesterday > > and she is very interested in her family's history. > > > > > > > > > > > > One more note - The son, Johann, was the oldest person > in Setschanfeld to > > die under the Partisans.  He was 97 years old > when he died in 1945.  He > > was > > married to Maria Anna Schultz in 1876 and together > they lived through the > > deaths of 9 out of 11 of their children.  > Together, they raised their two > > remaining daughters in Setschanfeld until Maria Anna > died in 1909.  Johann > > lived the remainder of his life in his home with his > daughter and her > > family.  Johann is said to have had the most > beautiful fruit trees in all > > of > > the village and spent all his time caring for > them.  When Johann was abt. > > 97 > > years old, the Partisans arrived in > Setschanfeld.  When everyone was > > required to leave their homes to be interned in > another part of the town, > > Johann refused to leave his home.   The > Partisans forcibly carried Johann > > out of his home and put him in a house packed with > others from the > > village. > > Johann died a short time later and was buried in the > animal graveyard. > > > > > > > > Katharina, one of the two living daughters of Johann > and Maria Anna, lost > > her father ( in Setschanfeld), her sister (in > Rudolfsgnad), her > > brother-in-law (in Heideschutz), her husband (in > Setschanfeld), and her > > son > > (in the war).  She eventually made it out of > Yugoslavia to be reunited > > with > > her two remaining children - the only family she had > left. > > > > > > > > There are no words. > > > > > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Amy Nichols > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Thanks so much, Dave! I appreciate their children's names that were born in Mollydorf. I was hoping their son, Johann, would show up there. Their daughter, Maria (b 1859), is listed as dying in 1861. They had a daughter, Katharina, that was born in that same date who married in Setschanfeld. So perhaps she was a twin or that date might not be correct. Thank you again for all your help, Amy -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Dreyer Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:50 PM To: Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] St. Hubert and Molidorf Assistance - Lambert Amy; Lambert Michael, son of Nikolaus Lambert and Margaret Schulz *14 Nov 1822 Soultour 70 oo 18 Oct 1847 Ostern Klein Maria *1822 Soultour Peter *23 May 1854 Mollydorf +7 Apr 1860 Mollydorf Nikolaus *24 Dec 1855 Mollydof Kath Barb *2 Dec 1857 Mollydorf Maria *14 Aug 1859 +29 Aug 1861 Mollydorf Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> To: "'Banat List'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:40 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] St. Hubert and Molidorf Assistance - Lambert > Hello All, > > > > I am hoping that someone may be able to see if there is any information > on > a couple from either St. Hubert or Molidorf. > > > > Michael Lambert and Maria Anna Klein had four children that lived in > Setschanfeld: > > > > 1. Johann Lambert - his marriage record states he was from St. > Hubert > and would have been born between 1848-1853. > > 2. Josef Lambert - marriage record states he was born in Molidorf > around 1853. > > 3. Nikolaus Lambert - death record states he born in Molidorf around > 1855. > > 4. Katharina Lambert - marriage record states she was born in > Molidorf > on 13 Aug 1859 > > > > If anyone would be willing to look and see if there is any additional > information in either the St. Hubert or Molidorf Familienbuch, I would > appreciate it so much! I spoke with Johann's great granddaughter > yesterday > and she is very interested in her family's history. > > > > > > One more note - The son, Johann, was the oldest person in Setschanfeld to > die under the Partisans. He was 97 years old when he died in 1945. He > was > married to Maria Anna Schultz in 1876 and together they lived through the > deaths of 9 out of 11 of their children. Together, they raised their two > remaining daughters in Setschanfeld until Maria Anna died in 1909. Johann > lived the remainder of his life in his home with his daughter and her > family. Johann is said to have had the most beautiful fruit trees in all > of > the village and spent all his time caring for them. When Johann was abt. > 97 > years old, the Partisans arrived in Setschanfeld. When everyone was > required to leave their homes to be interned in another part of the town, > Johann refused to leave his home. The Partisans forcibly carried Johann > out of his home and put him in a house packed with others from the > village. > Johann died a short time later and was buried in the animal graveyard. > > > > Katharina, one of the two living daughters of Johann and Maria Anna, lost > her father ( in Setschanfeld), her sister (in Rudolfsgnad), her > brother-in-law (in Heideschutz), her husband (in Setschanfeld), and her > son > (in the war). She eventually made it out of Yugoslavia to be reunited > with > her two remaining children - the only family she had left. > > > > There are no words. > > > > Thanks so much! > > Amy Nichols > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, all, and perhaps I will think in terms of directing this message particularly to Rosina, who seems to be somewhat the "organizer" of both this listserv and of the Mt. Angel conference about which we've read so much, As a relatively new person on this listserv (less than a year), I have been curious as to whether anyone has ever attempted to compile any sort of list or map showing just where within the Banat region, the family origins of the members of this listserv, or the attendees at one or more of the past Mt. Angel conferences, are from. Although this listserv has made me aware of one or more good online maps in which Banat towns can be located, as well as the passenger lists of ships on which my family traveled, when I read posts from someone whose family was from a particular town I usually cannot relate to within the whole region this might be, unless I were to look up the specific town name and locate it on a map. I've wondered if some areas within the Banat have more representation that others among the people on this listserv--as to specific towns, or even just as to regions within the parts of the Banat which are now Romania, Hungary, Serbia, etc. Of course, I'm especially interested in finding out whether there are people on the listserv who are from the particular area from which my (mother's side) family originated; the village of Schag, just south of Temeschwar/Timisoara/Temeschburg; the family names are Michl/Michel, Simon, and Toma/Thoma, and they emigrated to the eastern U.S. (Philadelphia and NJ area) and/or Canada in 1906-1908. A map of where people's families were from seems like the sort of thing that might have been done at one of the Mt. Angel conferences--perhaps just by having people stick pins in a map? (Or, perhaps, not!) I would appreciate hearing if anyone is aware of any map or listing of the sort I'm thinking of; and if not, perhaps there might be some interest in and ready way of compiling such a thing? Sincerely, Pete Modreski (mother's name, Michl), Wheat Ridge, CO, pmodreski@aol.com

Amy, Jakob Korvath who married Elisabeth Taugner was born in Ernsthausen (according to the family book of Dietmar Giel) they had 6 children but no Lorenz Regards Anni > Just one more note on these Horvath's - > > There is a listing for Jakob Horvath in the Lenauheim online book - > http://www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de/famreport.php?ofb=lenauheim&ID=1526&nachna > me=HORVATH&modus=&lang=en > > *Jakob Horvath married Elisabeth Taugner (I'm assuming this is the same > couple as Jakob Horvath and Elisabeth Tanbrier) on 24.05.1835 in > Lenauheim. > There is one son listed for them - Fidelis Horvath born in 1842. I'm not > sure if there would be any additional children listed in the actual book. > > Amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:46 PM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Horvath in Grabatz/Kriva Bara > > Amy; > According to the Grabatz family book Jakob Horvath apparently was born 2 > Aug > > 1812, son of Johann Horvath and Kath Neurohr. They had 12 kids in > Grabatz(no Lorenz), of which 3 died shortly after birth. Of the remaining > 9 > > kids there is only further data on one who apparently moved to > Georgshausen. > > So one must conclude that the remaining 8 kids settled somewhere other > than > Grabatz------probably somewhere in the Southern Banat where daughter > villages were opening up at this time. Four of these 8 kids were sons so > the surname would have survived to this extent. Lorenz was born ca 1836 > so > he could have been the son of Jakob by his first marriage to Elisabeth > Tanbrier. From your attachment note that there is a Lorenz Horvath and a > Josef Horvath who are witnesses at the second marriage to Anna Beer. > Jakob > Horvath(*2 Aug 1812 Grabatz) had a brother, Josef, *13 May 1823 Grabatz > who > moved to Georgshausen. Could the son(Lorenz) have served as a witness to > his fathers second marriage? We are building a big sand castle here but > until proven otherwise we don't have much else to go on. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> > To: "'Dave Dreyer'" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>; "'Banat List'" > <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:16 AM > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > > > Hello Dave and Dave, > > > > I am going to attach two records from the Gross Gaj Parish Books, which > > give > > some additional information on Lorenz Horvath. > > > > In Oct. 1860, Lorenz and Anna (Rollinger) were living in Ujfalu (House > > #75) > > when they had their twins - Nikolaus and Anna. In July of the same > year, > > there is a marriage record for a Jakob Horvath and Anna Beer (Baz?) and > at > > the time of their marriage they were also living in House #75. > > > > Jakob was the widower of Elisabeth Tanbrier and was 47 years old at the > > time > > of the marriage.The record lists him as being born in Grabatz. Jakob > > Horvath and Anna Beer did have more children, but there is no further > > indication of which house they were living in. > > > > Jakob Horvath died on 3 March 1869 (his wife died the next day) and on > his > > burial record he is noted to be 58 years old and from Grabatz. So - > born > > between 1811-1813 and perhaps Lorenz Horvath's father? > > > > So perhaps taking a look in the Grabatz Famlienbuch and might produce > some > > clues for Lorenz Horvath. > > > > Hope this helps! > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:56 PM > > To: Banat List > > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > > > Dave; > > Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain > was > > abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were > moved > > to > > > > create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf > > family > > > > book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these people > > were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only able > to > > locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. > > Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born ca > > 1834 > > > > and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 > Jul > > 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we know > > that > > > > her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf records > > indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, for > D > > Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, there > are > > > a > > > > bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is > undoubtly > > due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung was > > working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw your > > own > > > > conclusions. > > The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up the > > Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan > and > > see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. Marta > > lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the bus > > but > > if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. Gr > > Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short > order. > > If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. > > Dave Dreyer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> > > To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM > > Subject: Elisenheim > > > > > >> Hello Dave: > >> I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. > Does > >> this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? > That > >> is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen > >> Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of > research > >> trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible > >> hometown > > > >> for Anna. Markowitschewo is the German name for Kriva Bara. > >> Also, Family Search lists Deutsche Etschka as being Lorenz Horvath's > >> hometown. Has anyone done a lookup in that city for Lorenz? > >> Sincerely, > >> Dave Weinfurtner > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message -- GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos! 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Hello Amy, the family book of St.Hubert, Charlesville and Soltur give the following information (Nr. 1918): Michael Lambert was born 14.22.1822 in Soltur Nr 70 to Nikolaus Lambert and Margaretha Schulz, he married Maria Klein on 18. October 1847 in Ostern Family book of Ostern says: Witnesses: Nikolaus Lambert and Georg Binder, Klein Maria born about 1822 in Soltur but I am not able to find her in the family book. Also the birth of the son Johann is not recorded in one of the family books. Hope this helps a bit Anni -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:40:59 -0400 > Von: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> > An: "\'Banat List\'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Betreff: [BANAT-L] St. Hubert and Molidorf Assistance - Lambert > Hello All, > > > > I am hoping that someone may be able to see if there is any information > on > a couple from either St. Hubert or Molidorf. > > > > Michael Lambert and Maria Anna Klein had four children that lived in > Setschanfeld: > > > > 1. Johann Lambert - his marriage record states he was from St. > Hubert > and would have been born between 1848-1853. > > 2. Josef Lambert - marriage record states he was born in Molidorf > around 1853. > > 3. Nikolaus Lambert - death record states he born in Molidorf around > 1855. > > 4. Katharina Lambert - marriage record states she was born in > Molidorf > on 13 Aug 1859 > > > > If anyone would be willing to look and see if there is any additional > information in either the St. Hubert or Molidorf Familienbuch, I would > appreciate it so much! I spoke with Johann's great granddaughter > yesterday > and she is very interested in her family's history. > > > > > > One more note - The son, Johann, was the oldest person in Setschanfeld to > die under the Partisans. He was 97 years old when he died in 1945. He > was > married to Maria Anna Schultz in 1876 and together they lived through the > deaths of 9 out of 11 of their children. Together, they raised their two > remaining daughters in Setschanfeld until Maria Anna died in 1909. Johann > lived the remainder of his life in his home with his daughter and her > family. Johann is said to have had the most beautiful fruit trees in all > of > the village and spent all his time caring for them. When Johann was abt. > 97 > years old, the Partisans arrived in Setschanfeld. When everyone was > required to leave their homes to be interned in another part of the town, > Johann refused to leave his home. The Partisans forcibly carried Johann > out of his home and put him in a house packed with others from the > village. > Johann died a short time later and was buried in the animal graveyard. > > > > Katharina, one of the two living daughters of Johann and Maria Anna, lost > her father ( in Setschanfeld), her sister (in Rudolfsgnad), her > brother-in-law (in Heideschutz), her husband (in Setschanfeld), and her > son > (in the war). She eventually made it out of Yugoslavia to be reunited > with > her two remaining children - the only family she had left. > > > > There are no words. > > > > Thanks so much! > > Amy Nichols > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message -- GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos! Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome

Bill- Thank you for taking the time to help me search for the Remillongs. To be continued...! Sincerely, Jerry ________________________________ From: "WKnuttel@aol.com" <WKnuttel@aol.com> To: jerrymandering@sbcglobal.net; banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 7:21:40 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Modosch Lookup Jerry, The Modosch FB covers 1781-1854 for B/D, and only up to 1829 for Marriages. Unfortunately, there are no Remillongs listed during that time frame. Good luck, Bill In a message dated 9/27/2010 4:27:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jerrymandering@sbcglobal.net writes: Greetings Banat List Members, > >Thank you to everyone who has helped me already. > >I am looking for a needle in a haystack and need your help. The Modosch FB >is > >out of print. Would someone who has it please send me a copy of any and all > >"Remillong" families listed there? Your assistance would be greatly >appreciated. > >For reference, my ancestors include Remillong, Bruck, Herberholz, Parison, >Lefor, Mueller, Stumpf and Madler. > >Sincerely, >Jerry Remillong > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message >

Rosina; The manuscript you picked up at the Mt Angel meeting was a very early draft of a book which Tony Kraemer subsequently expanded and self published as a 317 page bound book in 2008. As I recall, I wrote a review of the book and posted it to the Banat list at that time. You can likely buy a copy of the book from his daughter in Ingelheim. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> To: "Akdff-l" <akdff-l@genealogy.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:04 AM Subject: [Akdff-l] Anton Krämer's Nachlass Sehr geehrter Herr Schneider, Das ist fuer uns alle eine traurige Nachricht. Wissen Sie wer ueber Herrn Krämer's Nachlass verfuegt? Ich moechte einige Seiten jenes Buches ins englische uebersetzen und dazu brauche ich die Genehmigung. Herzlichen Dank und Gruesse aus Kanada, Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net Sehr geehrte Frau Schmidt, Herr Anton Krämer ist am 25. März 2010 im Universitätskrankenhaus Mainz verstorben. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Adam Schneider, Passau -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: akdff-l-bounces+adamoni=t-online.de@genealogy.net [mailto:akdff-l-bounces+adamoni=t-online.de@genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Rosina T Schmidt Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. September 2010 17:31 An: akdff-l@genealogy.net Betreff: [Akdff-l] e-Anschrift gesucht Verhrte Mittglieder, Da ich gerade Herrn Anton Krämers 'Von Ulmbach im Banat nach Ingelheim am Rhein' Biografie lese, moechte ich gerne mit Herrn Krämer direkt Kontact aufnehmen und suche seine e-Anschrift. Vielen Dank fuer die Hilfe im voraus, Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net _______________________________________________ Akdff-l mailing list Akdff-l@genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/akdff-l ____________ Virus checked by G Data AntiVirus Version: AVB 21.369 dated 29.09.2010 Virus news: www.antiviruslab.com _______________________________________________ Akdff-l mailing list Akdff-l@genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/akdff-l _______________________________________________ Akdff-l mailing list Akdff-l@genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/akdff-l

Amy; Lambert Michael, son of Nikolaus Lambert and Margaret Schulz *14 Nov 1822 Soultour 70 oo 18 Oct 1847 Ostern Klein Maria *1822 Soultour Peter *23 May 1854 Mollydorf +7 Apr 1860 Mollydorf Nikolaus *24 Dec 1855 Mollydof Kath Barb *2 Dec 1857 Mollydorf Maria *14 Aug 1859 +29 Aug 1861 Mollydorf Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> To: "'Banat List'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:40 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] St. Hubert and Molidorf Assistance - Lambert > Hello All, > > > > I am hoping that someone may be able to see if there is any information > on > a couple from either St. Hubert or Molidorf. > > > > Michael Lambert and Maria Anna Klein had four children that lived in > Setschanfeld: > > > > 1. Johann Lambert - his marriage record states he was from St. > Hubert > and would have been born between 1848-1853. > > 2. Josef Lambert - marriage record states he was born in Molidorf > around 1853. > > 3. Nikolaus Lambert - death record states he born in Molidorf around > 1855. > > 4. Katharina Lambert - marriage record states she was born in > Molidorf > on 13 Aug 1859 > > > > If anyone would be willing to look and see if there is any additional > information in either the St. Hubert or Molidorf Familienbuch, I would > appreciate it so much! I spoke with Johann's great granddaughter > yesterday > and she is very interested in her family's history. > > > > > > One more note - The son, Johann, was the oldest person in Setschanfeld to > die under the Partisans. He was 97 years old when he died in 1945. He > was > married to Maria Anna Schultz in 1876 and together they lived through the > deaths of 9 out of 11 of their children. Together, they raised their two > remaining daughters in Setschanfeld until Maria Anna died in 1909. Johann > lived the remainder of his life in his home with his daughter and her > family. Johann is said to have had the most beautiful fruit trees in all > of > the village and spent all his time caring for them. When Johann was abt. > 97 > years old, the Partisans arrived in Setschanfeld. When everyone was > required to leave their homes to be interned in another part of the town, > Johann refused to leave his home. The Partisans forcibly carried Johann > out of his home and put him in a house packed with others from the > village. > Johann died a short time later and was buried in the animal graveyard. > > > > Katharina, one of the two living daughters of Johann and Maria Anna, lost > her father ( in Setschanfeld), her sister (in Rudolfsgnad), her > brother-in-law (in Heideschutz), her husband (in Setschanfeld), and her > son > (in the war). She eventually made it out of Yugoslavia to be reunited > with > her two remaining children - the only family she had left. > > > > There are no words. > > > > Thanks so much! > > Amy Nichols > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Peggy; Pasted below is the data for Anton Schirmang in the forthcoming St Hubert family book. Do you have any data to full in the gaps?, e.g. marriage date and place of Anton(probably Gertianosch), parents names for Rosa, etc Dave Dreyer SCHIRMANG Anton *1870 Sarafol oo JUNG Rosina To Chicago *12 Mar 1869 Gertianosch +10 Aug 1948 Chicago Michael *19 Jun 1895 Kathreinfeld +13 Aug 1895 Kathreinfeld Franziska *8 Jul 1896 St Hubert 16 oo 24 Aug 1915 Chicago Fritz STREB Johann *12 Jul 1899 St Hubert 178 Johann *31 Oct 1901 Kathreinfeld +28 Nov 1901 Kathreinfeld Peter *12 May 1903 St Hubert 178 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Miller" <milpegg@centurytel.net> To: "Banat Mailing list" <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:25 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Schirmang death in Kathreinfeld area > Hello, > Many of you have your books out of the villages that were south of > Kathreinfeld. . . . like Ernsthausen and such. > Would you be willing to check for a name for me down in that area? > > My great grandfather, Anton Schirmang, supposedly died in Kathreinfeld > around 1903, but he is not listed as a death in the Kathreinfeld book. > He was born: 1868 Sarafalva > Wife: Rosa Jung > > I would appreciate anything you could find! I'm stuck! > > Peggy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Dorothy, All of us present at this year's Mt. Angel Treffen were not only delighted that you were able to come all that way from California, but we were also very honoured! Thank you also for bringing that gorgeous kloeppeled table cloth for us to admire. Did you kloeppel it yourself? Here is the URL for David Preston's excellent video presentation of the Treffen: http://www.banatbooks.com/Treffen.htm Hope to see you next year again! Rosina www.hrastovac.net Thanks to all the committee members who worked so hard to make our stay at Mt Angel so enjoyable. The speakers were outstanding, and we learned a lot of history. The streudel was delicious. Thanks to all who offered to help me, and to those that did, it made it very easy for me to get around with my walker. Imagine my surprise when the members sang happy birthday to me as I had just celebrated my 93rd birthday the day before. Thanks for the gift. I met members who I had corresponded with for years, and some were related to my husband. Through them I was brought up to date on some deaths in the family I hadn't heard about even though I was making the family tree on the Wogh and Muelrath families. Hope more members will be able to attend and meet friends and relatives in the years to come. Dorothy Wogh

Anni, That's very interesting and thanks for that information. It would make sense that perhaps Lorenz Horvath might also have been born in Ernsthausen if his mother was from there (although she would have been too old to actually have been born in the village). There is some indication that his wife, Anna Rollinger may have been from that village as well. -----Original Message----- From: Anna Lorenz [mailto:LorenzAnni@gmx.de] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 7:01 AM To: Amy Nichols; BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Horvath in Grabatz/Kriva Bara Amy, Jakob Korvath who married Elisabeth Taugner was born in Ernsthausen (according to the family book of Dietmar Giel) they had 6 children but no Lorenz Regards Anni > Just one more note on these Horvath's - > > There is a listing for Jakob Horvath in the Lenauheim online book - > http://www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de/famreport.php?ofb=lenauheim&ID=1526&nachna > me=HORVATH&modus=&lang=en > > *Jakob Horvath married Elisabeth Taugner (I'm assuming this is the same > couple as Jakob Horvath and Elisabeth Tanbrier) on 24.05.1835 in > Lenauheim. > There is one son listed for them - Fidelis Horvath born in 1842. I'm not > sure if there would be any additional children listed in the actual book. > > Amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:46 PM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Horvath in Grabatz/Kriva Bara > > Amy; > According to the Grabatz family book Jakob Horvath apparently was born 2 > Aug > > 1812, son of Johann Horvath and Kath Neurohr. They had 12 kids in > Grabatz(no Lorenz), of which 3 died shortly after birth. Of the remaining > 9 > > kids there is only further data on one who apparently moved to > Georgshausen. > > So one must conclude that the remaining 8 kids settled somewhere other > than > Grabatz------probably somewhere in the Southern Banat where daughter > villages were opening up at this time. Four of these 8 kids were sons so > the surname would have survived to this extent. Lorenz was born ca 1836 > so > he could have been the son of Jakob by his first marriage to Elisabeth > Tanbrier. From your attachment note that there is a Lorenz Horvath and a > Josef Horvath who are witnesses at the second marriage to Anna Beer. > Jakob > Horvath(*2 Aug 1812 Grabatz) had a brother, Josef, *13 May 1823 Grabatz > who > moved to Georgshausen. Could the son(Lorenz) have served as a witness to > his fathers second marriage? We are building a big sand castle here but > until proven otherwise we don't have much else to go on. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> > To: "'Dave Dreyer'" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>; "'Banat List'" > <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:16 AM > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > > > Hello Dave and Dave, > > > > I am going to attach two records from the Gross Gaj Parish Books, which > > give > > some additional information on Lorenz Horvath. > > > > In Oct. 1860, Lorenz and Anna (Rollinger) were living in Ujfalu (House > > #75) > > when they had their twins - Nikolaus and Anna. In July of the same > year, > > there is a marriage record for a Jakob Horvath and Anna Beer (Baz?) and > at > > the time of their marriage they were also living in House #75. > > > > Jakob was the widower of Elisabeth Tanbrier and was 47 years old at the > > time > > of the marriage.The record lists him as being born in Grabatz. Jakob > > Horvath and Anna Beer did have more children, but there is no further > > indication of which house they were living in. > > > > Jakob Horvath died on 3 March 1869 (his wife died the next day) and on > his > > burial record he is noted to be 58 years old and from Grabatz. So - > born > > between 1811-1813 and perhaps Lorenz Horvath's father? > > > > So perhaps taking a look in the Grabatz Famlienbuch and might produce > some > > clues for Lorenz Horvath. > > > > Hope this helps! > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:56 PM > > To: Banat List > > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > > > Dave; > > Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain > was > > abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were > moved > > to > > > > create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf > > family > > > > book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these people > > were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only able > to > > locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. > > Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born ca > > 1834 > > > > and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 > Jul > > 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we know > > that > > > > her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf records > > indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, for > D > > Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, there > are > > > a > > > > bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is > undoubtly > > due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung was > > working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw your > > own > > > > conclusions. > > The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up the > > Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan > and > > see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. Marta > > lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the bus > > but > > if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. Gr > > Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short > order. > > If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. > > Dave Dreyer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> > > To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM > > Subject: Elisenheim > > > > > >> Hello Dave: > >> I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. > Does > >> this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? > That > >> is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen > >> Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of > research > >> trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible > >> hometown > > > >> for Anna. 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Hello, Many of you have your books out of the villages that were south of Kathreinfeld. . . . like Ernsthausen and such. Would you be willing to check for a name for me down in that area? My great grandfather, Anton Schirmang, supposedly died in Kathreinfeld around 1903, but he is not listed as a death in the Kathreinfeld book. He was born: 1868 Sarafalva Wife: Rosa Jung I would appreciate anything you could find! I'm stuck! Peggy

Just one more note on these Horvath's - There is a listing for Jakob Horvath in the Lenauheim online book - http://www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de/famreport.php?ofb=lenauheim&ID=1526&nachna me=HORVATH&modus=&lang=en *Jakob Horvath married Elisabeth Taugner (I'm assuming this is the same couple as Jakob Horvath and Elisabeth Tanbrier) on 24.05.1835 in Lenauheim. There is one son listed for them - Fidelis Horvath born in 1842. I'm not sure if there would be any additional children listed in the actual book. Amy -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Dreyer Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:46 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Horvath in Grabatz/Kriva Bara Amy; According to the Grabatz family book Jakob Horvath apparently was born 2 Aug 1812, son of Johann Horvath and Kath Neurohr. They had 12 kids in Grabatz(no Lorenz), of which 3 died shortly after birth. Of the remaining 9 kids there is only further data on one who apparently moved to Georgshausen. So one must conclude that the remaining 8 kids settled somewhere other than Grabatz------probably somewhere in the Southern Banat where daughter villages were opening up at this time. Four of these 8 kids were sons so the surname would have survived to this extent. Lorenz was born ca 1836 so he could have been the son of Jakob by his first marriage to Elisabeth Tanbrier. From your attachment note that there is a Lorenz Horvath and a Josef Horvath who are witnesses at the second marriage to Anna Beer. Jakob Horvath(*2 Aug 1812 Grabatz) had a brother, Josef, *13 May 1823 Grabatz who moved to Georgshausen. Could the son(Lorenz) have served as a witness to his fathers second marriage? We are building a big sand castle here but until proven otherwise we don't have much else to go on. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> To: "'Dave Dreyer'" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>; "'Banat List'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:16 AM Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > Hello Dave and Dave, > > I am going to attach two records from the Gross Gaj Parish Books, which > give > some additional information on Lorenz Horvath. > > In Oct. 1860, Lorenz and Anna (Rollinger) were living in Ujfalu (House > #75) > when they had their twins - Nikolaus and Anna. In July of the same year, > there is a marriage record for a Jakob Horvath and Anna Beer (Baz?) and at > the time of their marriage they were also living in House #75. > > Jakob was the widower of Elisabeth Tanbrier and was 47 years old at the > time > of the marriage.The record lists him as being born in Grabatz. Jakob > Horvath and Anna Beer did have more children, but there is no further > indication of which house they were living in. > > Jakob Horvath died on 3 March 1869 (his wife died the next day) and on his > burial record he is noted to be 58 years old and from Grabatz. So - born > between 1811-1813 and perhaps Lorenz Horvath's father? > > So perhaps taking a look in the Grabatz Famlienbuch and might produce some > clues for Lorenz Horvath. > > Hope this helps! > Amy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:56 PM > To: Banat List > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > Dave; > Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain was > abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were moved > to > > create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf > family > > book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these people > were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only able to > locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. > Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born ca > 1834 > > and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 Jul > 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we know > that > > her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf records > indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, for D > Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, there are > a > > bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is undoubtly > due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung was > working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw your > own > > conclusions. > The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up the > Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan and > see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. Marta > lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the bus > but > if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. Gr > Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short order. > If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> > To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM > Subject: Elisenheim > > >> Hello Dave: >> I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. Does >> this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? That >> is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen >> Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of research >> trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible >> hometown > >> for Anna. Markowitschewo is the German name for Kriva Bara. >> Also, Family Search lists Deutsche Etschka as being Lorenz Horvath's >> hometown. Has anyone done a lookup in that city for Lorenz? >> Sincerely, >> Dave Weinfurtner >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, I am hoping that someone may be able to see if there is any information on a couple from either St. Hubert or Molidorf. Michael Lambert and Maria Anna Klein had four children that lived in Setschanfeld: 1. Johann Lambert - his marriage record states he was from St. Hubert and would have been born between 1848-1853. 2. Josef Lambert - marriage record states he was born in Molidorf around 1853. 3. Nikolaus Lambert - death record states he born in Molidorf around 1855. 4. Katharina Lambert - marriage record states she was born in Molidorf on 13 Aug 1859 If anyone would be willing to look and see if there is any additional information in either the St. Hubert or Molidorf Familienbuch, I would appreciate it so much! I spoke with Johann's great granddaughter yesterday and she is very interested in her family's history. One more note - The son, Johann, was the oldest person in Setschanfeld to die under the Partisans. He was 97 years old when he died in 1945. He was married to Maria Anna Schultz in 1876 and together they lived through the deaths of 9 out of 11 of their children. Together, they raised their two remaining daughters in Setschanfeld until Maria Anna died in 1909. Johann lived the remainder of his life in his home with his daughter and her family. Johann is said to have had the most beautiful fruit trees in all of the village and spent all his time caring for them. When Johann was abt. 97 years old, the Partisans arrived in Setschanfeld. When everyone was required to leave their homes to be interned in another part of the town, Johann refused to leave his home. The Partisans forcibly carried Johann out of his home and put him in a house packed with others from the village. Johann died a short time later and was buried in the animal graveyard. Katharina, one of the two living daughters of Johann and Maria Anna, lost her father ( in Setschanfeld), her sister (in Rudolfsgnad), her brother-in-law (in Heideschutz), her husband (in Setschanfeld), and her son (in the war). She eventually made it out of Yugoslavia to be reunited with her two remaining children - the only family she had left. There are no words. Thanks so much! Amy Nichols

Judy, it would be much easier to search for you if you would give a time frame in which you want to have a look. I found in Lenauheim: Susanna born 26.8.1856 as daughter of Philipp Allar and Anna Bernhardt, she married Jakob Noel Susanna born 30.11.1834 as daughter of Anton Allar and Christina Wirth, she married Franz Demuth Susanna born 28.7.1823 as daughter of Peter Allar and Karolina Mumper, she died 13.11.1835 Regards Anni -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:25:38 -0400 (EDT) > Von: judithk@charter.net > An: Martha Wojtowicz <mwojtow@telusplanet.net> > CC: Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Please, I need a favor! > Martha, Thanks for your response. However ----- I had already been to > the Genea Net site - and, does eveyone realize that the lists on that > site are not the same as in the familienbuch???? I have several copies > of other names from the Lenauheim book and when I've compared the names > on Genea Net, many of them are not even listed!!! That is why I ask > again, PLEASE will someone with a Lenauheim book look up Susanna Allar > for me? Thanks, Judy > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Martha Wojtowicz wrote: > > > Perhaps this site will help you. Good luck! > > Martha (Gaetz) Wojtowicz > > > > http://www.online-ofb.de/famlist.php?ofb=lenauheim&b=A&lang=de > > > > ALLAR, Albert * 03.03.1817 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 10.03.1883 > > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Aloysia * 06.01.1822 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + > > 28.03.1826 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Anna * 1813, + 25.07.1836 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Anna * 23.02.1821 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 21.03.1882 > > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Anna * 19.01.1834 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 26.03.1835 > > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Anna * 1848, + 05.02.1848 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Anna Katharina ALLAR, Anna Maria * 09.06.1809 in Lenauheim, > > Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Anna Maria * 10.02.1833 in Lenauheim, Banat, > > Rumänien, + 19.03.1835 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Anton ALLAR, Barbara * 1847, + 11.06.1848 in Lenauheim, Banat, > > Rumänien > > ALLAR, Bernhard * 14.08.1830 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + > > 15.08.1830 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Caroline ALLAR, Christina * 05.06.1826 in Lenauheim, Banat, > > Rumänien ALLAR, Elisabeth * 05.12.1825 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Elisabeth * 1847, + 04.02.1847 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Franz * 06.02.1824 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 17.04.1842 > > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Franz * 1836 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 23.04.1837 in > > Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Georg * 04.06.1829 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 06.07.1916 > > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Georg * 03.11.1829 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, > > Heinrich ALLAR, Heinrich * 30.04.1776 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + > > 06.08.1778 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Heinrich * 26.02.1779 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + > > 17.09.1808 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Johann ALLAR, Johann ALLAR, Johann * 1760, + 18.09.1810 in > > Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Johann * 23.01.1785 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 20.07.1836 > > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Johann * 18.10.1803 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 04.03.1805 > > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Johann * 05.06.1810 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 01.03.1870 > > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Johann * 29.07.1810 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Johann > > * 18.01.1813 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Johann Baptist * > > 23.08.1802 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 11.11.1802 in Lenauheim, > > Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Josef * 13.03.1809 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Karl * > > 08.11.1818 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Katharina ALLAR, > > Katharina ALLAR, Katharina ALLAR, Katharina * 08.04.1814 in Lenauheim, > > Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Magdalena ALLAR, Magdalena * 10.04.1806 in > > Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 01.08.1836 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Margaretha ALLAR, Margaretha ALLAR, Margaretha ALLAR, > > Margaretha ALLAR, Margaretha ALLAR, Margaretha * 08.11.1808 in > > Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 06.01.1809 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Margaretha * 20.08.1812 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, > > Margaretha * 24.10.1818 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 05.11.1823 in > > Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Margaretha * 1845 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 01.10.1845 > > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Mathias * 1808, + 09.01.1809 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Mathias * 24.10.1808 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, > > Michael ALLAR, Nikolaus ALLAR, Peter * 11.02.1771 in Lenauheim, Banat, > > Rumänien, + 26.02.1771 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Peter * 17.11.1773 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 12.07.1775 > > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Peter * 17.12.1787 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Peter * > > 1846, + 30.05.1848 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Philipp * 23.12.1831 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, > > Susanna * 28.07.1823 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 13.11.1835 in > > Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > ALLAR, Susanna * 30.11.1834 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > > > > .................................................................................................................................................................................... > > ..and clicking on Susanna ALLAR brings this up: > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Susanna ALLAR * 30.11.1834 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > Bemerkungen:(notes) > > Konfession: rk > > Ehegatten (spouses) Kinder (children) Kein > > Ehegatte gefunden! > > (No spouse found!) Keine Kinder gefunden! > > (No children found!) Eltern (parents) Geschwister > > (siblings) Vater: > > (father) Anton ALLAR > > Keine Geschwister gefunden! > > (No siblings found!) Mutter: > > (mother) Christina WIRTH > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quellen:(sources) > > letzte Änderung: 17.01.2008 > > > > > .................................................................................................................................................................................... > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: <judithk@charter.net> > > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:47 PM > > To: <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [BANAT-L] Please, I need a favor! > > > >> > >> Can someone with a Lenauheim familienbuch please check for a Susanna > >> Allar (need her parents' names)? 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I've scanned more photos from DS relatives in Butler, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, PA. Known names and village origins are listed below. Please take a look and see if you recognize anyone. http://picasaweb.google.com/marceschulz/Parison# <http://picasaweb.google.com/marceschulz/Parison> Also, if anyone can help translate the German handwriting on some of the postcards, I'd be so grateful. Scroll down until you see the cards, click to enlarge, and there's a comment space to enter notes. Thanks for looking! I'm hoping to find the "owners" of these photos. Schuetz /Schulz - Bogarosch Parison/Parisson -- Peszak, Varjas Regeis - Dalj Hoekl/Hockl/Hokl - Peszak Marce Schulz (was Schuetz) in Pittsburgh

Dear Dave et al, Below, I've pasted your and Amy's messages of a couple of weeks ago, regarding Ernsthausen records. Since you do get periodic requests about Ernsthausen, I'm wondering how we might identify ourselves centrally and hopefully get to a critical mass, re funding some retrieval work in Vojvodina? As you suggest, if the cost would be in the $2,000 range, and we could get together 20 or more people, $100 or less per person might be getting into an affordable range. Who it would be who went there is another question on which I'd appreciate your insights. Regards, Marilyn PS, compliments to Rosina Schmidt and Dave Preston, through whose efforts I enjoyed your presentation on the St. Hubert Museum, and look forward to watching the other films as time permits -- especially on strudel! Message: 4 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:29:36 -0700 From: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Subject: [BANAT-L] Ernsthausen records To: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8448BC6E00F74331B28FBD24B455D745@D99J3Q21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Amy; I get an inquiry about Ernsthausen research and its records about every month or two. There are a fair number of researchers who are interested in these records. The information that Bruck gives about the location of the Ernsthausen records is essentially correct. I would differ on his comments about the archives. >From what I have heard over the years they are not user friendly and not well organized. It is my understanding that filming of the records with a digital camera is not permitted and that copies cost about a Euro/page. In spite of these obstacles it is likely a determined researcher could get copies of the records. It only makes sense for Ernsthausen researchers coordinate their efforts and attempt to obtain a complete set of the records so that eventually a family book could be written. The birth,marriage and death records 1860-1900 probably amount to ca 1000-1500 pages. Even at $1.00/page the total cost would be about $2000. If this cost were shared among all those interested in the records it would not be a prohibitive amount for any one individual. It only requires an individual who will do what it takes to organize this effort and do what it takes to acquire the records, which may require a trip to Neu Satz and sit in the archives until the records are forthcomi! ng. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Nichols To: 'Dave Dreyer' Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 7:51 PM Subject: Ernsthausen Hi Dave, Since you seem to be so familiar with all the Familienbuchs in the works, I thought I would ask you a question about Ernsthausen, if you don't mind. Twelve years ago Nicholas Bruck sent out the following email to the list: The records for Ernsthausen from 1860 to 1900 are in the archives of the Vojvodina in Novi Sad. The address for these archives is as follows: Pavle Stanojevic, Director Archiv Vojvodine Dunavska Ulitza 35 Novi Sad, Yugoslavia Telephone (38121) 21-244 Fax (38121) 22-332 They have centralized in this archive the catholic church records from the towns where the catholic churches were closed and we really should undertake an effort perhaps via the Mormons to have all these records microfilmed or photocopied. This archive is located in the rear of the building of the Museum of Novi Sad, quite in the Center of this capital city for the Vojvodina. I visited the place last month and Marlog Miroslav, the officer in the archive, explained that we would need to contact the Minister of Culture of the Vojvodina in Novi Sad to get access to these records. The place seems to be well organized and administered and they have both microfilm equipment and photocopy machines. If you still have anybody in Ernsthausen or in other places in Yugoslavia, they can go to these archives and copy out of these books the data you need. Particularly of you know the name and the year of individuals, then this task is considerably simplified. I looked at the site that lists all the Familienbuchs that are being worked on, but did not see anything for Ernsthausen. So I was just curious if you might know if anyone ever was able to microfilm these records or if you've heard anything that might be in the works for this village? I know that the Sartscha book contains some information from Ernsthausen, but that only seems to be a small number of the actual records that seem to be floating somewhere out there. I hope you're having a good night! I know how busy you must be and I really do appreciate all the help you've given me! Amy ------------------------------

Dear Rosina, Thank you so much for making "Our Lost Donauschwaben Children" available on line. It is a heartrending saga, one made all the more personal to me after speaking this week with a man who escaped Ernsthausen in 1946, at age 16. Regards, Marilyn