I am looking for information on Franz Gerber, wife Anna Marie. Their son Nicholas was born in Grabatz in 1799 but I have no further information on Franz or any other children he and Anna Marie may have had or if there were any Gerbers before Franz. Thank you in advance. judy wasness

Dave, I have gone back and read past emails in the archives and saw an email regarding the church records of Josefdorf and Rekasch, but there wasn't a note of what year these records were for. I know the family of Lorenz Horvath and Anna Rollinger has probably reached its saturation point, but I did find records in the Gross Gaj records of a Nikolaus Rollinger (Pollinger) married to Magdalena (Kriveton) Grifferton (with possibly a first marriage to Elisabeth Steier). One daughter, Katharina, is listed on her burial record as having been born in Rekasch in abt. 1862. They had another daughter in Ujfalu in 1865 and Anna Rollinger, wife of Lorenz Horvath, is the godmother. I would presume from this that there was some sort of relationship between Nikolaus and Anna. It doesn’t seem that the Josefdorf FB would go back this far, but from the previous email it seems that you may have copies of the Rekasch records, but I wasn't sure if they might go back this far. If it's not too much trouble, could you tell me if there might be any information on Nikolaus in the records? I would very much appreciate it! Thanks so much! Amy Nichols -- "Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle."

FROM MY VILLAGE OF MERCYDORF FAMILY TREE:   Adam Albert and Maria Anna of Orczidorf 1.  Georg *`1784 +10 Sep 1785 House #197 2.  Josef #1776 +27 Aug 1784 House #197 ----- Peter Zimmer and Angela Albert *~1785 +1 Mar 1830 House # 106 Mercydorf (8 children) ----- Jakob Albert of Luxemburg and Marie/Anne Marie (Maria/Anna Maria) Gloss (1727-16 Aug 1747 Mercydorf)  of either Lorraine or Differdingen(?), Kanton Esch, Lux. 1. Maria Josefa *~1761 + 4 Feb 1871 House # NG 2.  Sebastian *8/18? Mar 1767 House # NG  Mercydorf   oo Anna Sparier of Trier on 22 Sep 1767 House #NG Mercydorf -----   André CRUSER/CRAUSER/GRAUTER And Marie Albert (1 child) -----   Johann Dage oo 30 Jan 1779 House # 3 Mercydorf   Katharina Albreth (*~1753 Luxemburg or Prov. Lux. Belgien  +4 Sep 1776 House # NG Mercydorf )  

Mr. Joe ALBERT needs badly a lock-up in Helmut KAISER's "Familienbuch der katholischen Gemeinde Deutsch-Stamora im Banat" for the traces of his great grandfather Petrus ALBERT born ~1827 in Veliki Gaj / Nagy Gaj OR Malenitzfalva [Maleniczfalva / Malenicino Selo / Malenicifalva / Malenizafalva]. In fact, any ALBERT listed here would be just great. You can contact Joe ALBERT at jotalbert@comcast.net S o r i n http://www.genealogy.ro/contributions.htm

Gottlob Familienbuch has one ALBERT .. entry 0006 on page 17. ALBERT Anton,NN Cornale,Kinder in Gottlob House Number 113     God Parents1. M. A. Ther.   *13.10.1792                      Adelige Familie als Paten    = Maria Anna Theresia --- On Sat, 10/23/10, GenealogyRO Group <genealogy@banat.ro> wrote: From: GenealogyRO Group <genealogy@banat.ro> Subject: [BANAT-L] Lock-up in Familienbuch Deutsch-Stamora To: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 4:26 PM Mr. Joe ALBERT needs badly a lock-up in Helmut KAISER's "Familienbuch der katholischen Gemeinde Deutsch-Stamora im Banat" for the traces of his great grandfather Petrus ALBERT born ~1827 in Veliki Gaj / Nagy Gaj OR Malenitzfalva [Maleniczfalva / Malenicino Selo / Malenicifalva / Malenizafalva]. In fact, any ALBERT listed here would be just great. You can contact Joe ALBERT at jotalbert@comcast.net S o r i n http://www.genealogy.ro/contributions.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Entries for the Albert Family in the DS FB: #0014 ALBERT Michael * abt 1778 + 10.11.1826 Mal (Malenitzfalva). 48 M NN Elizabeth 1. Katherina * abt 1807 #0015 ALBERT Nicholas Landwirt * abt 1798 Mal M 28.01.1821 Deutsch Stamora Tz Josef Werth, Michael Ernst HOLZ, KOLZ, Maria Anna * abt 1799 Bogarosch 1. Georg (1) *24.08.1821 Mal P.: Gg. Pinzenberger, Ther. 2. Johann *07.08.1822 Mal P.: Joh Emtner, Barb Gresch 3. Peter *08.12.1824 Mal P.: Ptr Hergath, Reg Wingert 4. Katherina *05.04.1827 Mal P.: Ant Schummer, Kath Tendler 5. Peter * 20.04.1830 Mal +20.04.1830 Mal P.: Ptr Hergath, Efr Barb 6. Barbara *05.04.1831 Mal P.: Jos Viert, Barb Hergath Ammerkung/en: (1) Mutter: Elizabeth In a message dated 10/23/2010 4:27:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, genealogy@banat.ro writes: Mr. Joe ALBERT needs badly a lock-up in Helmut KAISER's "Familienbuch der katholischen Gemeinde Deutsch-Stamora im Banat" for the traces of his great grandfather Petrus ALBERT born ~1827 in Veliki Gaj / Nagy Gaj OR Malenitzfalva [Maleniczfalva / Malenicino Selo / Malenicifalva / Malenizafalva]. In fact, any ALBERT listed here would be just great. You can contact Joe ALBERT at jotalbert@comcast.net S o r i n http://www.genealogy.ro/contributions.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I never paid much attention in my Western Civ class back in the late 60's. Now that I know where my ancestors are from, I see the history of this area so differently. I am now interested in the Feudal System and the Hapsburg rule and and and. . . . I want to thank those of you on this list who regularly share your knowledge and insight regarding our Donauschwaben history. The past is so important to understanding how we got here, what molded us and who we are today. Thanks! Peg On 10/22/2010 9:52 PM, Dave Dreyer wrote: > John; > When the Austrians expelled the Turks from the right bank of the Danube the > Banat, unlike the Batscka, became the personal property of the Hapsburgs. > The Banat villages which were established in the initial settlement period > were the property of the Hapsburgs. Over time the Hapsburgs presented large > tracks of unoccupied land, mainly in the southwestern Banat to individuals > to whom they owed large sums or as rewards for service to the government. > These tracks of land were of limited value without colonists to farm them. > Thus, individuals like Ernst Kiss or Lazar who were owed for their service > to the crown obtained large tracks. Villages like Lazarfeld, Ernsthausen, > D Etschka and Sigmundfeld were established on their estates by these nobles. > The settlers in these villages owed their landlords rent and a share of the > crops. The landlords tended to raise the rents and inkind contributions > over time. This led to movement of farmers as they searched for a place > with lower costs. > The Hapsburgs were chronically short of funds. In order to raise mony many > of the villages in the Banat Heide which were owned by the Crown were put up > for sale by auction. These were mainly bought up by wealthy cattle > merchants or church authorities. A few remained unsold to the benefit and > relief of the inhabitants. > In the Batscka the Habsburgs largely honored the claims of the Hungarian > nobles to recover their estates which had been taken by the Turks so that > most villages in the Batscka(if not all) became the property of various > Hungarian nobles. After the initial settlement period the administration of > the Banat was converted from military to civil administration except for the > Banat military frontier. This led to the terms "civil Banat" to distinguish > it from "the regiment". The Banat military frontier was administrated by > the 12th Deutsch Banater Grenz regiment up to 1866 when all the Banat was > turned over to Hungarian administration. Those living in the Military > frontier did not owe rent or in kind materials but instead owed their time > on the Cordon or field service in times of war. Various battalions of the > regiment saw hard service during the Napoleonic period. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walter"<walt31wil2003@yahoo.com> > To:<Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:50 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Banaters in Austrian Military Records > > > > This is a question to Dave Dreyer > Page 153 > The Banaters, as well as other peasant populations wanted > relief from serfdom and forced labor to the nobility. It was not simple for > Banaters to achieve a > unified position. They could not forget that it was Maria Theresia and her > son who had sold > Banat villages to private landlords, resulting in the loss of their > privileges. > > > From reading various Banater town histories, I was aware that there were >> Grunds Herren or Herrschaften who controlled and presented the villages in >> the Hungarian Assembly. I did not know that Maria Theresia and her son (I >> assume Josef II) were responsible for this. Would you know how this was >> done. Also was this the case for Batschka and what about the Militaer >> Grenze. > In Heufeld people received the deed to their property in 1777 and the Banat > was handed to Hungary in 1779 by Maria Theresia. > > I was born in Ruskodorf which was a Herrschafts Gut before World War I and > my ancestors came to Ruskodorf from Massdorf, Heufeld, St Hubert, > Charleville and I know the local history oft his area. > > I think your more knowledgeable about Banater History then anybody here or > in Europe and I congratulate you. > John Walter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hello Danube Swabian Researchers, Please have a look at this Historical maps: http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/2000/index.html One can see how Europe changed in history by clicking on the individual century. Rosina www.hrastovac.net

John; When the Austrians expelled the Turks from the right bank of the Danube the Banat, unlike the Batscka, became the personal property of the Hapsburgs. The Banat villages which were established in the initial settlement period were the property of the Hapsburgs. Over time the Hapsburgs presented large tracks of unoccupied land, mainly in the southwestern Banat to individuals to whom they owed large sums or as rewards for service to the government. These tracks of land were of limited value without colonists to farm them. Thus, individuals like Ernst Kiss or Lazar who were owed for their service to the crown obtained large tracks. Villages like Lazarfeld, Ernsthausen, D Etschka and Sigmundfeld were established on their estates by these nobles. The settlers in these villages owed their landlords rent and a share of the crops. The landlords tended to raise the rents and inkind contributions over time. This led to movement of farmers as they searched for a place with lower costs. The Hapsburgs were chronically short of funds. In order to raise mony many of the villages in the Banat Heide which were owned by the Crown were put up for sale by auction. These were mainly bought up by wealthy cattle merchants or church authorities. A few remained unsold to the benefit and relief of the inhabitants. In the Batscka the Habsburgs largely honored the claims of the Hungarian nobles to recover their estates which had been taken by the Turks so that most villages in the Batscka(if not all) became the property of various Hungarian nobles. After the initial settlement period the administration of the Banat was converted from military to civil administration except for the Banat military frontier. This led to the terms "civil Banat" to distinguish it from "the regiment". The Banat military frontier was administrated by the 12th Deutsch Banater Grenz regiment up to 1866 when all the Banat was turned over to Hungarian administration. Those living in the Military frontier did not owe rent or in kind materials but instead owed their time on the Cordon or field service in times of war. Various battalions of the regiment saw hard service during the Napoleonic period. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walter" <walt31wil2003@yahoo.com> To: <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:50 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Banaters in Austrian Military Records This is a question to Dave Dreyer Page 153 The Banaters, as well as other peasant populations wanted relief from serfdom and forced labor to the nobility. It was not simple for Banaters to achieve a unified position. They could not forget that it was Maria Theresia and her son who had sold Banat villages to private landlords, resulting in the loss of their privileges. >From reading various Banater town histories, I was aware that there were >Grunds Herren or Herrschaften who controlled and presented the villages in >the Hungarian Assembly. I did not know that Maria Theresia and her son (I >assume Josef II) were responsible for this. Would you know how this was >done. Also was this the case for Batschka and what about the Militaer >Grenze. In Heufeld people received the deed to their property in 1777 and the Banat was handed to Hungary in 1779 by Maria Theresia. I was born in Ruskodorf which was a Herrschafts Gut before World War I and my ancestors came to Ruskodorf from Massdorf, Heufeld, St Hubert, Charleville and I know the local history oft his area. I think your more knowledgeable about Banater History then anybody here or in Europe and I congratulate you. John Walter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dave, Thanks for bringing up this family. I have them in my database without all the information. Jakob Horvath's wife was Elisabeth Taugner born 15 Apr 1809 in Lenauheim. They marry 24 May 1835 in Lenauheim. There is no information on Jakob Horvath other than he was born in Ernsthausen. However, I do see the information you give as his birth is in Grabatz. I guess he could have been born in Grabatz, moved to Ernsthausen and then to Lenauheim where he marries Elisabeth Taugner. Witnesses to their marriage were Philipp Unger and Josef Neurohr. I believe Josef is the brother of Katharina Neurohr. I don't know who is Philipp Unger. I have no information on Jakob Horvath. I am related to the Taugner family. Robert Evensen Cambridge, MA ----- Original Message ----- From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 11:14 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Jakob Horvath family > Hello List: > Can someone lookup information on Jakob Horvath's family in Grabatz? > Jakob was born 2 Aug. 1812 of Johann & Katharina (Neurohr) Horvath. Can > someone list all of Jakob's brothers and sisters and if possible their > dates of birth, marriage, death, etc. Also, the dates of birth, death and > marriage of Jakob's children. Jakob was married 24 May 1835 to Elisabeth > Tanbrien or Tangauy (not certain which). > Again, I would appreciate any help. > Sincerely, > Dave Weinfurtner > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List: Can someone lookup information on Jakob Horvath's family in Grabatz? Jakob was born 2 Aug. 1812 of Johann & Katharina (Neurohr) Horvath. Can someone list all of Jakob's brothers and sisters and if possible their dates of birth, marriage, death, etc. Also, the dates of birth, death and marriage of Jakob's children. Jakob was married 24 May 1835 to Elisabeth Tanbrien or Tangauy (not certain which). Again, I would appreciate any help. Sincerely, Dave Weinfurtner

Everybody who is interested in the family history of Herta Mueller (see also Uwe Detemple's article: Vorfahren der Literaturnobelpreistraegerin Herta Mueller in AKdFF newsletter # 134 Dec. 2009) may listen to her own version (in German) at http://www.literaturhaus-muenchen.de/lithausData/dateien/audios/originals/03 -herta_m_ller__niederungen_-_meine_familie.mp3 It's the story "My family" of the audio book "Die Niederungen" (Nadirs, collection of short stories) more audios: http://www.literaturhaus-muenchen.de/audio/ The exhibition "Herta Müller. Der kalte Schmuck des Lebens« is being presented in the Literaturhaus Berlin, Fasanenstraße 23, 10719 Berlin 17.9.– 21.11.2010 http://www.literaturhaus-berlin.de/unten/programm/HM%20Berlin%20folder4.pdf Guenter

Hello Mona, Here is one of the descriptions of traveling from Germany to America: http://www.hrastovac.net/historical/Destitute_to_America.htm Rosina www.hrastovac.net > > Another question I never asked my grandfather when I had the chance: > What were conditions like on the ships on which the immigrants travelled? > > My grandfather and grandmother came over after the First World War and > before the Great Depression. They were not rich by any means, having had > to scrape together the fare and a bit more so they would not be completely > penniless when they landed (on the ship's manifest he is listed as a farm > labourer and she as a housewife). > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > Mona > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Under Ortsfamilienbuecher at this site http://www.genealogynet.de/ you will find online family books. Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Cathy, what Richard Jaeger (= Kreisverband Mannheim of Landsmannschaft der Banater Schwaben) offers on CD is most likely the old manuscript of 2007 compiled by Edgar Aldag and not the contents of the just published Familienbuch Mercydorf. The second author Karl Benz did not allow Richard Jaeger to copy the revised version either on CD or in book form. The correct order information for the printed book is here: http://www.dvhh.org/mercydorf/family-book.htm. Guenter Junkers you wrote: --------------- From: Landsmannschaft <banaterschwaben@t-online.de> Subject: Mercydorf Book is now available! To: banaterschwaben@t-online.de Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 1:53 PM The Mercydorf Familienbuch Vol I. 1735-1832/43 by Edgar Aldag; produced by Landsmannschaft der Banater Schwaben e.V. (Association of the Banat Swabian), Mannheim 2010: with around 3.000 Families, on CD-ROM is now available!

>From Anita Pare: Films by Günter Czernetzky were shown Sept. 23 at the Berlin Film Festival: Herta Müller Exhibition "Donbass-Slaves" and "Fate of the Danube Swabians" Films by Günter Czernetzky On Soviet orders during the war in January 1945, all Romanian Germans, women aged 18-30 years, males 17-45 years, were deported to labor camps for "rehabilitation." The camps were in the coal fields between Dnipropetrovsk and Donetsk, in the Donbass, in today's Ukraine. Of the 80,000 deportees only about half returned by 1949 . In Romania, which had allied itself to Hitler, this topic was taboo after 1944 under this fascist dictator Antonescu. Herta Müller's 2009 novel »Atemschaukel« was created, and after many conversations a trip to Ukraine was planned with Oskar Pastior (1927-2006), who had admitted bluntly: the camp had been his socialization. In the early 90s the Transylvanian-born film director and producer Günter Czernetzky (born in 1956) who had emigrated to Germany in 1978, researched with former deportees in the archives of regional hospitals in the Ukraine and documented the systematic abuse and exploitation of displaced former deportees . In 1992 the documentary "Donbass - Slaves, Displaced Germans Remember" (author and director G. Czernetzky, ARD / BR) was released followed in 1998 "Fate of the Danube Swabians" (Authors: Astrid Beyer and G. Czernetzky, SDR) Günter Czernetzky presents his films in conversation with Ernest Wichner. .........................................................................................................................................................................................

To Jim and Eric: The following are entries in the Hatzfeld CD for the Theodor Kirth family: 5217 KIRTH Theodor *um. . 1725 in "Hailheim"/Luxemburg +16.07.1780 in Hf Sohn d.Johan Kirth-Elisabeth Wirt. Verm. iden. M. WK 62/62 Dietrich Kirt v. Helsen/Luxemburg (Holschen) In d. BStgl.Nr.Hf.178 sind vermerkt:eine Trauung, ein Frauen und zwei Kinderbegrabnisse oo 24.01.1751 in Steinsel weitereEhe(n) 5218 WEBER, Eva *08.03.1729 in Helmsingen +21.08.1766in Hf Tochter d.Johann Weber-Maria Karmesch Kind(er) a) Anna Maria *06.12.1751 Helmsingen +15.05.1834 in Hf Ehe siehe <6178> b) Katharina *21.09.1754 Helmsingen c) Angela *12.01.1756 Helmsingen Ehe Siehe <12731> d) Heinrich *um. .1759 +10.05.1767 in HF e) Magdalena *um. .1761 Ehe siehe <7008> f) Andreas *um. .1764 +*06.05.1767 in HF 5218 KIRTH, Theodor *um. .1725 in "Hailheim"/Luxemburg +16.07.1780 in Hf Sohn d.Johann Kirth-Elisabeth Wirt. Verm.iden.m. WK 62/62 Dietrich Kirt v. Helsen/Luxemburg (Holschen). In d.BStgl.Nr.Hf178 sind vermerkt:eine Trauung, Ein Frauen- und zwei Kinderbergrabnisse 2 oo weitere Ehe(n) <5217> KIRTH, Katharina weitere Ehe(n) <13255> *um. .1736 +26.03.1796 in Jahrmarkt Kin(der) 1) Klara t 17.07.1768 Hf +11.11.1768 Hf 2) Peter t 10.11.1769 Hf +31.10.1786 in Jahrmarkt 3) Johann t 07.03.1772 Hf +24.03.1772 in Hf 4) Johann t 19.02.1774 in Hf +06.01.1805 in Jahrmarkt 13255 WEINBERNER, Johann Wwr. *um. .1733 in Mainzischen +15.01.1793 in Hf erste Ehe unbekannt oo 04.11.1783 in Hf KIRTH, Katharina weitere Ehe(n) <5218> *um. .1736 +26.03.1796 in Jahrmarkt Kind(er) a) Magdalena t 18.11.1783 Jahrmarkt +26.11.1783 in Hf Theodor Kirth's daughter Anna Maria (by his first wfe) is my ancestor. Mary Regan ------------------------------ Message: 6 ate: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:16:08 -0400 rom: "Eric Benshetler" <Penn77@comcast.net> ubject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kirth Family Research (Jahrmarkt) o: "'Jim Kirth'" <jkirth@yahoo.com>, "'Banat List'" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> essage-ID: <000a01cb70bd$8a8ff090$0202a8c0@Downstairs> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim- My paternal grandfather came from Jahrmarkt but I don't see a connection etween our families... yet. There's an entry in the Jahrmarkt OSB for the parents of Jakob: K769 irth Johann Georg (Sv. Theodor K. und Katharina aus Hailheim/Lux) Hatzfeld 19.02.1774 + Jm.06.01.1805 o Jm.26.01.1796 Kellner Anna Maria (Tv. Franz K. u. Anna Margareta Palinger K304) They had 2 children, Michael and Jakob. Johann married a second time, to Anna Maria Mathis, in 1803, and had one ore son, Adam. There's a note in German under the entry: Nachem Vater Theodor Kirth am 16.07.1780 in Hatzfeld verstorben ist, eiratete die Mutter in Hatzfeld am 04.11.1783 den Jahrmarkter Johann einberner. So kamen die Bruder Johann Georg und Peter nach Jahrmarkt." If I understand correctly, Theodor died on 16 July 1780 in Hatzfeld and his idow (Katharina) then married Johann Weinberner of Jahrmarkt on 4 November 783. That's how brothers Johann Georg and Peter came to Jahrmarkt. Peter Kirth's entry is K770. Johann Weinberner's is W424, and shows that atharina died in Jahrmarkt on 26 March 1796. I see in my older e-mails that Dave Dreyer provided some additional nformation to you on the Kirths back in February 2009. --- Eric Benshetler (near Philadelphia) -----Original Message----- rom: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On ehalf Of Jim Kirth ent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 7:41 PM o: Banat List ubject: [BANAT-L] Kirth Family Research Georg Kirth Was married to A. M. Kellner. They were the parents of? Jakob irth born 3dec1798 in Jahrmarkt who was married to Katherine Schuer both of hom died in Jahrmarkt. ny information relating to Georg Kirth or A. M. Kellner origins would be ost appreciated. Jim Kirth

The year 2012 will be the Jubilee Auswanderung year for migration of Germans to Southeastern Europe. This process began in 1712. Christian Glass, director of the Donauschwaebisches Zentral museum in Ulm, gave a presentation to the AKdFF executive committee on the planning for the year long program commemorating this epic movement of peoples. The program will consist of a of a series of exhibitions, lectures and seminars centered largely on Ulm. The role suggested for the AKdFF will be the productions of publications based on original research of the details of the migration process. New Donauschwab family books produced since the spring meeting were only the Heufeld-Massdorf by Dreyer and Preston. The Mercydorf family book by Karl Benz had just been published but had not arrived in time for presentation at the meeting. All of the AVBF publications which were still in print were available at the book sales table. All of the volumes of the Stader series are now in print(after some have been reprinted) and were available at the book sales table. The long anticipated next volume, VII, of Stader was still not available in time for this meeting. AKdFF meetings are structured so that the morning session consists of a two hour time block for an invited lecture and/or to conduct necessary society business. Lunch is available in the meeting room. This leaves substantial time to interact with other members on a one to one basis. This year, among others, I talked to Johann Schetterer. Johann while only a few years old, was confined in 1944 with his parents to a Serb concentration camp where both his parents died. The Serbs transferred Johann to an orphanage where he was given the name Ivan Cetri. He grew up not knowing his parentage nor his previous name. He took up family history research and eventually was able to show that he was Johan Schetterer from Neu Schowoe. This story was central to Rosina Schmidt's lecture at the recent Mt Angel Donauschwab meeting in Oregon. Johann said he was able to watch Rosina's lecture which was made available by David Preston on Banatbooks.com. Johann sends Schoenen Gruss to Rosina. Plans are underway to make the AKdFF membership list available on the web. This would be a closed database available to members with members details including places and surnames of interest. The AKdFF is also moving to put the catalogue of their extensive archive collection on line. The afternoon session was devoted to the various subgroups of the AKdFF. As usual the Banaters met separately. The attendees, as is often the case, were Banaters who were interested in various aspects of family book production. Some of those in afternoon attendance were; Richard Taugner - Josefsdorf Maria Friedrich- Ulmbach and Neubeschenowa Hubert Mayer - Schag Anna Pfeifauf - Koenigshof Roswitha Egert - Tschestereg Anni Lorenz - Warjasch Anton and Helga Hornung - D Zerne Philipp Lung - Rudolfsgnad Richard Hrle - Rudolfsgnad Jochim Reiter - Gr Jetscha Helen Schuch - Alexanderhausen Dietmer Giel - Gertianosch and Lenauheim Dave Dreyer

Jim- My paternal grandfather came from Jahrmarkt but I don't see a connection between our families... yet. There's an entry in the Jahrmarkt OSB for the parents of Jakob: K769 Kirth Johann Georg (Sv. Theodor K. und Katharina aus Hailheim/Lux) * Hatzfeld 19.02.1774 + Jm.06.01.1805 oo Jm.26.01.1796 Kellner Anna Maria (Tv. Franz K. u. Anna Margareta Palinger - K304) They had 2 children, Michael and Jakob. Johann married a second time, to Anna Maria Mathis, in 1803, and had one more son, Adam. There's a note in German under the entry: "Nachem Vater Theodor Kirth am 16.07.1780 in Hatzfeld verstorben ist, heiratete die Mutter in Hatzfeld am 04.11.1783 den Jahrmarkter Johann Weinberner. So kamen die Bruder Johann Georg und Peter nach Jahrmarkt." If I understand correctly, Theodor died on 16 July 1780 in Hatzfeld and his widow (Katharina) then married Johann Weinberner of Jahrmarkt on 4 November 1783. That's how brothers Johann Georg and Peter came to Jahrmarkt. Peter Kirth's entry is K770. Johann Weinberner's is W424, and shows that Katharina died in Jahrmarkt on 26 March 1796. I see in my older e-mails that Dave Dreyer provided some additional information to you on the Kirths back in February 2009. --- Eric Benshetler (near Philadelphia) -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kirth Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 7:41 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Kirth Family Research Georg Kirth Was married to A. M. Kellner. They were the parents of  Jakob Kirth born 3dec1798 in Jahrmarkt who was married to Katherine Schuer both of whom died in Jahrmarkt. Any information relating to Georg Kirth or A. M. Kellner origins would be most appreciated. Jim Kirth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here are 3 accounts of the trip which I saved from other's posts ...  Version:1.0 StartHTML:0000000167 EndHTML:0000006511 StartFragment:0000000457 EndFragment:0000006495 Thanks to Fred Sprager's mother Eva Prunkl, for her memory of the trip ( she was 8), which follows below....... "Travelers took the train from Banat to Beograd (now Belgrade, Yugo.), where they paid to be taken across the river (Danube?). Then they took another train to Zagreb (now Croatia) and on to Fiume (now Rijecka, Croatia) or Trieste, Italy. This took about 2 days. The ocean crossing took about 21 days going to Europe and about ? Days to go to USA. (I know it took 30 from Hamburg to NYC, so I imagine longer than that from Fiume) On board the women and young children stayed in a huge room where bunk beds were set up for them. Apparently, sometimes cattle were also shipped over in these large areas. The men had to bunk at the other end of the ship. They had to bring their own food, because the only food provided was pasta and buns with a mug of milk for the children daily. They brought smoked or dried meats that would keep, such as a ham or salami. Everyday they would slice some meat to the make sandwiches with the buns that were supplied. There was also a canteen that sold biscuits and some kind of candies and ?. A woman was remembered, who was very friendly (!) with the sailors. This lady worked hard to be attractive because she got all sorts of favors from the sailors such as extra food, pillows, etc. " fred_sprager@accel.net (Ferdinand J. Sprager) ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Also .... "My grandmother came to N.Y in Dec, 1908 aboard the Cunard Caronia. She had to go to Frankfort Germany for papers and then on to Fiume. The route was taken that way in order to avoid sailing in the treacherous North Atlantic during winter. I believe the Carpathia was another such ship. Since my Grand- mother was a woman traveling alone with 6 children she was given some sort of cabin even though she was considered a steerage passenger. My Dad, aged 11 recalled that all the passengers were given an orange on Christmas Day from the ship's owners. There was never much talk from my Dad as to the conditions of the trip. He did say though that he was the only one not seasick and so he had to fetch and carry water etc. for the rest. I am plaesed to get any stories from people who made such treks to another land." Irene M Orlaska <renorlas@juno.com> ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` And... "My Grandpa came over in 1909 on the Ultonia from Fiume. He recalled two things at his young age of the journey. Along the Italian coast the locals would come out in small boats with fresh fruit. People would throw money overboard at them and they would haul up the fruit on ropes in baskets. Also, the ship apparantly docked off the coast near Mt. Vesuvius and the many of the men were able to disembark and go to get a better look at the volcano." Tom Schneider sch64@spiritusa.net --- On Tue, 10/19/10, MONA IRWIN <irwin_9@sympatico.ca> wrote: From: MONA IRWIN <irwin_9@sympatico.ca> Subject: [BANAT-L] Immigration travel To: banat-l@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 2:50 PM Another question I never asked my grandfather when I had the chance: What were conditions like on the ships on which the immigrants travelled? My grandfather and grandmother came over after the First World War and before the Great Depression. They were not rich by any means, having had to scrape together the fare and a bit more so they would not be completely penniless when they landed (on the ship's manifest he is listed as a farm labourer and she as a housewife). Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Mona                           ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message