Hi Ed. This is certainly confounding! Ironically, the priest was the same Ferencz Kaissez for all the records (4 or 5) that I saw from 1896-1901. And he consistently wrote his name beginning with Ka, with a definitely close-looped A. At the same time, all the entries that he wrote for what I take as Amanda's family have what really looks like Kv. Altho I checked an old German handwriting guide and it appears that some ae letters may be written somewhat like a V or a U. What do you think? Marilyn On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Edward J. Lowitz < [email protected]> wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong but I have never heard where the parish priest > asked > the parishioners to check his spelling after he made an entry in any of the > Registers. I'd be interested to know if they did. Doesn't help out if the > parishioners were illiterate, but it would be nice for us to know. > > I once came across a transcribed record which listed the surname as > 'Basset'. As I was very familiar with the family and suspected the entry > (made by a JP) was wrong, I looked at the source record and noticed the JP > slanted his script 'r' upwards with a little curl at the end - when he > wrote > 'are', it could be confused as 'ase'. He had written 'Barret' which the > transcriber thought was 'Basset'! I had know that 'Barret' was the correct > entry. > > In the Kaiser/Kveiser scenario, we are looking at a 1 to 2 letter variance > - > possibly the 've' was meant to be an 'a'. Was Kveiser written more than > one > time in the source documents? Was it written as Kveiser only by one writer > or multiple writers in the source documents? What surname spellings are > associated with known peripheral family members (ex. brothers, sisters, > parents, etc.)? > > Bahlow's book on German Surnames does not have an entry for Kveiser as a > subset of Kaiser or as an independent entry. Then again, it does not list > my surname either (Wendian name for a small town in NE Germany). :-) > > Following on those lines, surnames do have meaning. If you can't find a > meaning/translation for 'Kveiser', I'd assume that either the priest got > into the sacrificial wine or else someone bumped his arm when he was making > the entry. > > Ed. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Marilyn Fedewa > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 12:11 PM > To: Amanda Kaiser > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kaiser vs Kveiser? > > Hi Amanda, > > I can certainly understand Marco's reluctance to accept the Kveiser's as > Kaiser's, given the difference in spelling. That's why I asked for input > from Dave and others on the list. I still think it's highly likely that the > Nikolaus we found is your great granddad, but it would be great to hear > some > responses from others on the list regarding name variations, when the > priests switched from Hungarian to German to Romanian and Latin, all of > which influenced the spelling. As well as phonetics. I'm sure there are > many > examples of this among List members. > > In my own family, my maternal grandfather Franz Christ was listed sometimes > as Krisczt. My paternal great grandfather showed up as Conrad Hoh (with the > umlaut) and Konrad Heh, sometimes with and sometimes without the accent > over > the e. Other Heh's in my extended Ernsthausen family have appeared as Hech, > Hach and Heh in the same document, and one living gentleman, a Holz, who > escaped from Ernsthausen in his teens, and who knew my grandparents well, > said on occasion in Ernsthausen it was also spelled Hay, which is how we > pronounce it today. On Ellis Island records they appeared as Heh, Hee, and > Hob. All of these are definitely my family. My great grandmother's surname > has appeared on many documents as Dill, Till, Diehl, and probably a couple > more, can't remember at the moment. > > Having said all that, before corresponding directly with Marco, I'd rather > first hear back from the List, if that's okay with you. > > In the meantime, keep on trucking! All the best, > > Marilyn > > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Amanda Kaiser > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Hi Marilyn, > > I have contacted Michael and there doesn't seem to be a connection but > > there maybe somewhere down the line. I also let the researcher know > > about your find but he seemed to be not convinced with the spelling > > change. Can I give him you email address so he can confer with you? He > > is a reasearcher for gross betschkerek and his name is Marco. He found > > my grandad's brothers and sister. As far as I know my great > > grandfather Nikolaus Kaiser was born in Ernsthausen 1890's, possibbly > > married in St Georgen (can't find any records), had children in Grob > > Betschkerek 1924 - 1934, was at his son's wedding (my grandad Franz > > Kaiser) in Ottnang, Unterkinberg Nr2 1948 and listed as living in > > Stayr at the time. It also says his wife was deceased at the time of > > the marriage. From there I don't know what happened just that my > > grandad Franz Kaiser came to australia in 1954 without any other > > family. I don't know where all my gandad's brothers and sister ended > > up and possibly Elisabeth the youngest child of my great grandfather > Nikolaus may be alive but I have no idea what her married name would be. > > Take care > > :) mandy > > ________________________________________ >

Hi I am looking for some family members. I am looking for Anton Bering Born November 12, 1904 in Lazarfeld, Yugoslavia to Kathrina Bering, his father is unknown, his grandparents are Johann and Rosina(Dama)Bering. Their children are Johann, Vincent, George, Joseph, Susan, Katie, Mary, Eva, Kathrina, and Adam. I also would like to know who Johann and Rosina's parents are, and if possible who their parents are. I am looking for Anton's wife family, Anna Kittl born December 14, 1909 in Martinica or Siegmondvalwa, Yugoslavia the daughter of Johann and Magdelena(Knapp)Kittl, her siblings are Stephen, Paul, and Barbara. From what one family has written on the pictures Knapp was her maiden name and it was also mentioned that another member of the family was Christina (Lung) Knapp possible to be Magdalena's mom? I am also being told by a family member that Anna's dad was a Schneider and he took on the Kittl name? Thanks for helping out, Brenda

Brenda: I will contact you privately on this material as I think I can help you with some of your questions. Shirley-Ann Erdman -----Original Message----- From: brenda bering Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BANAT-L] Bering-Kittl Hi I am looking for some family members. I am looking for Anton Bering Born November 12, 1904 in Lazarfeld, Yugoslavia to Kathrina Bering, his father is unknown, his grandparents are Johann and Rosina(Dama)Bering. Their children are Johann, Vincent, George, Joseph, Susan, Katie, Mary, Eva, Kathrina, and Adam. I also would like to know who Johann and Rosina's parents are, and if possible who their parents are. I am looking for Anton's wife family, Anna Kittl born December 14, 1909 in Martinica or Siegmondvalwa, Yugoslavia the daughter of Johann and Magdelena(Knapp)Kittl, her siblings are Stephen, Paul, and Barbara. From what one family has written on the pictures Knapp was her maiden name and it was also mentioned that another member of the family was Christina (Lung) Knapp possible to be Magdalena's mom? I am also being told by a family member that Anna's dad was a Schneider and he took on the Kittl name? Thanks for helping out, Brenda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Amanda, I can certainly understand Marco's reluctance to accept the Kveiser's as Kaiser's, given the difference in spelling. That's why I asked for input from Dave and others on the list. I still think it's highly likely that the Nikolaus we found is your great granddad, but it would be great to hear some responses from others on the list regarding name variations, when the priests switched from Hungarian to German to Romanian and Latin, all of which influenced the spelling. As well as phonetics. I'm sure there are many examples of this among List members. In my own family, my maternal grandfather Franz Christ was listed sometimes as Krisczt. My paternal great grandfather showed up as Conrad Hoh (with the umlaut) and Konrad Heh, sometimes with and sometimes without the accent over the e. Other Heh's in my extended Ernsthausen family have appeared as Hech, Hach and Heh in the same document, and one living gentleman, a Holz, who escaped from Ernsthausen in his teens, and who knew my grandparents well, said on occasion in Ernsthausen it was also spelled Hay, which is how we pronounce it today. On Ellis Island records they appeared as Heh, Hee, and Hob. All of these are definitely my family. My great grandmother's surname has appeared on many documents as Dill, Till, Diehl, and probably a couple more, can't remember at the moment. Having said all that, before corresponding directly with Marco, I'd rather first hear back from the List, if that's okay with you. In the meantime, keep on trucking! All the best, Marilyn On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Amanda Kaiser <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Marilyn, > I have contacted Michael and there doesn't seem to be a connection but > there maybe somewhere down the line. I also let the researcher know about > your find but he seemed to be not convinced with the spelling change. Can I > give him you email address so he can confer with you? He is a reasearcher > for gross betschkerek and his name is Marco. He found my grandad's brothers > and sister. As far as I know my great grandfather Nikolaus Kaiser was born > in Ernsthausen 1890's, possibbly married in St Georgen (can't find any > records), had children in Grob Betschkerek 1924 - 1934, was at his son's > wedding (my grandad Franz Kaiser) in Ottnang, Unterkinberg Nr2 1948 and > listed as living in Stayr at the time. It also says his wife was deceased > at the time of the marriage. From there I don't know what happened just > that my grandad Franz Kaiser came to australia in 1954 without any other > family. I don't know where all my gandad's brothers and sister ended up and > possibly Elisabeth the youngest child of my great grandfather Nikolaus may > be alive but I have no idea what her married name would be. > Take care > :) mandy > ________________________________________ > From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013 11:32 AM > To: Amanda Kaiser > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen > > Hi Mandy, > > Sorry it took so long to respond to your last email, but our power has > finally been restored (from a devastating Michigan ice storm). It's so nice > to be home again, warm again, and connected!! I think you got all the info > right from the previous emails, as far as I can see on the Banat List and > your WikiTree page. In the meantime, here's a couple more thoughts for you > . . . . > > 1 - Did you notice in the recent Banat LIst emails that there is a Michael > Kaiser in the group? Looks to me as though his email address puts him in > Germany, but you still may benefit from comparing notes with him. > > 2 - I only just received another file on births in Ernsthausen 1926-1945, > and haven't had time to go through it all, but in the first few pages I did > see two Kveiser/Kaiser's in there as godparents. One was Jacob > Kveiser/Kaser, as godparent in Ernsthausen on November 27,1927, to baby > Catharina daughter of Andreas Reb and Angela Waleri/Valeri. The other one > was an Elisabeth Kveiser/Kaiser in Ernsthausen on April 22, 1928 as > godmother to Jacob daughter of Maria Mayer. Not sure who these Kaisers are, > relative to your family tree, but it places them in Ernsthausen at the > time. For what it's worth. > > Wishing you continued good luck on your searches, > > Marilyn > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Amanda Kaiser <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi Marilyn, > I am absolutely blown away that you found the information on my great > grandad and great great grandparents! If I could, you'd have the biggest > hug right now!!! > Yes I work in Education, I have 2 jobs, mornings I work with disabled > primary school children running specialist programs in Numeracy, Literacy > and Speech and in > the afternoon/night I work at the tafe (university) with disabled youth > and adults assisting them to gain their qualification in the fields they > are studying. End of the > semester is very busy! Glad to be able to have time off! > > For the last 6 months a researcher in the banat has been trying to locate > my family. I will pass on the information to him as he was completely > stumped as well! He > managed to locate the records in Grob Betschkerek of my grandad and his > brothers & sister. Pretty sure there is another brother as my remembered > having 4 uncles, > my dad never knew he had an aunty. The researcher knew someone researching > St Georgen and couldn't find my great grandfather in any records! > > So just to get it right... > > Nikolaus Kaiser born 1871 St Georgen (parents: Theresia (Mort) and > Nikolaus Kaiser) > married: 26 Nov 1896 in Ernsthausen to wife Elisabeth Schneider (parents: > Anna (Pfendt) and Christof Schneider) > Children: all born in Ernsthausen > 1. Nikolaus 30 Aug 1896 oo Magdalena Gangl > 2. Peter 7 April 1898 > 3. Mathias 20 May 1900 > 4. Franz 18 Dec 1901 > > I am so thankful! You have really made a difference! Thankyou for spending > so much of your time to help. I appreciate it more than you know! > I hope you have a great Christmas and a really wonderful New Year! > > :) Mandy > > ________________________________________ > From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: Saturday, 21 December 2013 4:42 AM > To: Amanda Kaiser > Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen > > Hi, I figured we'd hear back from you, just wanted to make sure you didn't > have a computer meltdown or something more dire. > > When you study Dave Dreyer's response to my note in the Banat Listings, > you'll see that your great grandparents were actually married in > Ernsthausen. He/Miklos/Nikolaus was listed as originally from St. George > and living in Botos, or vice versa, can't remember at the moment which way > the columns are written. And she/Ersebet/Elisabeth was listed as living in > Ernsthausen house #181 & 1/2. Not only that, the priest marked down THEIR > parents names, so you'll have info back to your great-greats on both of > their sides. > > I'm so happy I was able to do this (I spent about three hours looking > through the records after Dave said they weren't there, just hoping it > wasn't so, as I know how weird the handwriting and spelling can be, and how > frustrating it can be to find nada -- and so many people on the Banat List > have helped me enormously. FYI, the List will be very gratified to hear > your response. It is lovely group of very committed competent people, all > searching for their own families, and learning as they go). > > So, HAPPY BIRTHDAY again!! Do I deduce from your email that you work at an > educational institution? (I am semi-retired but was with Michigan State > University and another college and university for years). All the best to > you, Amanda! > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Amanda Kaiser <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > Hi Marilyn! > Thank you thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou!!!! > I have just read my emails with tears streaming and the biggest smile, I > can't believe you were able to find info on my great grandfather! I'm > sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I've been working 12/13 hour days > all week! Thank god today was my last day at work...I'm exhausted!!! My > grandad and his siblings were all born in Grob Betschkerek. So I think that > my great grandfather might have married in Sankt Georgen because he wasn't > in the marriage register in Grob Betschkerek. I am so thankful, you have > given me the best birthday present ever! I need to re read your email > because I read it quickly and rushed to reply. I just wanted to let you > know I was ok. I'll get back to you tomorrow once I have another look at > the info and after I have a massive sleep in!!!! Yay! Take care and good > night > :-) mandy > ________________________________________ > From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > ><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>] > Sent: Friday, 20 December 2013 1:41 AM > To: Amanda Kaiser > Subject: Kaiser in Ernsthausen > > Hi Amanda, hope you are okay and wonder if you received the email and > Banat postings about your family? I had thought you might be pleased at > finding your great granddad. All the best, Marilyn > > This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this > email, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of the email or > any part thereof (including any attachment), is prohibited and you should > notify the sender and delete this email immediately. To the fullest extent > permitted by law the Gordon accepts no liability for any loss or damage > which may result from your receipt of this message or any attachments. > > > > > >

Bob -- I was just wondering if you ever asked for a Stader Lookup using the Dumele spelling? I also took a look at the Glogowatz Familienbuch and see that Paul was married in Arad. Perhaps contacting Erwin Kilzheimer who wrote the Familienbuch ... he might be able to give you information. There is a Familienbuch for Arad ... although I have not purchased it yet. A witness was Andreas Zipf ... he seems to be connected with Arad also. I did search in the Wilhelm & Kalbrunner and so far have not found Dumele or Tumele's ... but Stader could still have information. I did find some Hain information ... accidentally found that first. #1 Konrad Hain - page 256 Date for Registration in Vienna - 30 August 1785 >From Bechtheim Nassan Ufingen #2 Valentin Hain - page 33 from Hohenroth Date for Registration: 6 June 1764 Travelling or registering at the same time as Lorenz Lang Let me know if you would like scans of those pages. Susan > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:52:13 -0500 > Subject: [BANAT-L] Paul Tomule > > Fellow Researchers,Since I was a child my grandmother told me that her last name Dumelle/Domele came from a Frenchman who immigrated to Glogovatz. Actually she said Othalon Hungary. Whatever!!!I have found him and his connection to me through the CD of old and the familienbuch, but I wonder if anyone has any additional information beyond his birth in 1720?Bob Hain > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fellow Researchers,Since I was a child my grandmother told me that her last name Dumelle/Domele came from a Frenchman who immigrated to Glogovatz. Actually she said Othalon Hungary. Whatever!!!I have found him and his connection to me through the CD of old and the familienbuch, but I wonder if anyone has any additional information beyond his birth in 1720?Bob Hain

Judy, In the FB Gottlob are some Gerber entry's but I don´t think that are yours. Grüße Hans Grimm Jr. Am 04.01.2014 00:59, schrieb Judy Wasness: > Hans, > I noticed in your info on Anna Maria Sindstein that her husband lists 9 people in the WK. Anna Maria’s first husband was George Gerber who died in Eckartswiller. He was the father of Franz Josef Gerber who is my relative. I have always believed that Franz married in Eckartswiller before immigrating the the Banat. But according to the info I received from you if Franz was one of those who immigrated he would have been only 6 or 7 years old. Would you be so kind as to see if there is a Franz Joseph Gerber listed in the Gottlob Familienbuch and if so please send me any info on him or his marriage. I believe his wife was either Madalena or Anna Maria. Thank you so much for your help Judy Wasness > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Reiner - We had Weiss Suppe this year for Christmas dinner, as was traditional in my mother's family! I don't have a recipe for the tomato sauce, but I make it anyhow, based on memory of watching my Grandmother & Mother making it - all quantities are approximate - adjust for taste and desired thickness of sauce: Slowly heat a couple tablespoons of lard or bacon grease in a skillet, until melted and getting hot - NOT hot enough to smoke! While stirring well, to prevent lumps, sprinkle 2-3 tablespoons of flour over the hot grease. Continue heating gently to lightly brown the roux. When smooth and brown, continue stirring and slowly add 1-1/2 to 2 cups of tomato juice (not sauce or paste) and cook until thickened. Add a little salt to taste, and about 1/2 teaspoon of sugar (cuts the acidity of the tomato juice). I love it mixed with horseradish for a little bite. Using V-8 juice in place of straight tomato juice gives a nice flavor too. Enjoy, Dick Thomas On 1/4/2014 12:03 AM, Reiner Pister wrote: My apologies if this has been posted before, but can anyone direct me to where I can find the recipe for any of the two sauces mentioned in the subject line. My Grandmother would make this often for Sunday meals and my brothers and I are interested in trying our hand at recreating it, hopefully to taste close to the way our grandmother once made it. Thanks.

Hi Marilyn, I have contacted Michael and there doesn't seem to be a connection but there maybe somewhere down the line. I also let the researcher know about your find but he seemed to be not convinced with the spelling change. Can I give him you email address so he can confer with you? He is a reasearcher for gross betschkerek and his name is Marco. He found my grandad's brothers and sister. As far as I know my great grandfather Nikolaus Kaiser was born in Ernsthausen 1890's, possibbly married in St Georgen (can't find any records), had children in Grob Betschkerek 1924 - 1934, was at his son's wedding (my grandad Franz Kaiser) in Ottnang, Unterkinberg Nr2 1948 and listed as living in Stayr at the time. It also says his wife was deceased at the time of the marriage. From there I don't know what happened just that my grandad Franz Kaiser came to australia in 1954 without any other family. I don't know where all my gandad's brothers and sister ended up and possibly Elisabeth the younges! t child of my great grandfather Nikolaus may be alive but I have no idea what her married name would be. Take care :) mandy ________________________________________ From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013 11:32 AM To: Amanda Kaiser Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen Hi Mandy, Sorry it took so long to respond to your last email, but our power has finally been restored (from a devastating Michigan ice storm). It's so nice to be home again, warm again, and connected!! I think you got all the info right from the previous emails, as far as I can see on the Banat List and your WikiTree page. In the meantime, here's a couple more thoughts for you . . . . 1 - Did you notice in the recent Banat LIst emails that there is a Michael Kaiser in the group? Looks to me as though his email address puts him in Germany, but you still may benefit from comparing notes with him. 2 - I only just received another file on births in Ernsthausen 1926-1945, and haven't had time to go through it all, but in the first few pages I did see two Kveiser/Kaiser's in there as godparents. One was Jacob Kveiser/Kaser, as godparent in Ernsthausen on November 27,1927, to baby Catharina daughter of Andreas Reb and Angela Waleri/Valeri. The other one was an Elisabeth Kveiser/Kaiser in Ernsthausen on April 22, 1928 as godmother to Jacob daughter of Maria Mayer. Not sure who these Kaisers are, relative to your family tree, but it places them in Ernsthausen at the time. For what it's worth. Wishing you continued good luck on your searches, Marilyn On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Amanda Kaiser <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Marilyn, I am absolutely blown away that you found the information on my great grandad and great great grandparents! If I could, you'd have the biggest hug right now!!! Yes I work in Education, I have 2 jobs, mornings I work with disabled primary school children running specialist programs in Numeracy, Literacy and Speech and in the afternoon/night I work at the tafe (university) with disabled youth and adults assisting them to gain their qualification in the fields they are studying. End of the semester is very busy! Glad to be able to have time off! For the last 6 months a researcher in the banat has been trying to locate my family. I will pass on the information to him as he was completely stumped as well! He managed to locate the records in Grob Betschkerek of my grandad and his brothers & sister. Pretty sure there is another brother as my remembered having 4 uncles, my dad never knew he had an aunty. The researcher knew someone researching St Georgen and couldn't find my great grandfather in any records! So just to get it right... Nikolaus Kaiser born 1871 St Georgen (parents: Theresia (Mort) and Nikolaus Kaiser) married: 26 Nov 1896 in Ernsthausen to wife Elisabeth Schneider (parents: Anna (Pfendt) and Christof Schneider) Children: all born in Ernsthausen 1. Nikolaus 30 Aug 1896 oo Magdalena Gangl 2. Peter 7 April 1898 3. Mathias 20 May 1900 4. Franz 18 Dec 1901 I am so thankful! You have really made a difference! Thankyou for spending so much of your time to help. I appreciate it more than you know! I hope you have a great Christmas and a really wonderful New Year! :) Mandy ________________________________________ From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Saturday, 21 December 2013 4:42 AM To: Amanda Kaiser Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen Hi, I figured we'd hear back from you, just wanted to make sure you didn't have a computer meltdown or something more dire. When you study Dave Dreyer's response to my note in the Banat Listings, you'll see that your great grandparents were actually married in Ernsthausen. He/Miklos/Nikolaus was listed as originally from St. George and living in Botos, or vice versa, can't remember at the moment which way the columns are written. And she/Ersebet/Elisabeth was listed as living in Ernsthausen house #181 & 1/2. Not only that, the priest marked down THEIR parents names, so you'll have info back to your great-greats on both of their sides. I'm so happy I was able to do this (I spent about three hours looking through the records after Dave said they weren't there, just hoping it wasn't so, as I know how weird the handwriting and spelling can be, and how frustrating it can be to find nada -- and so many people on the Banat List have helped me enormously. FYI, the List will be very gratified to hear your response. It is lovely group of very committed competent people, all searching for their own families, and learning as they go). So, HAPPY BIRTHDAY again!! Do I deduce from your email that you work at an educational institution? (I am semi-retired but was with Michigan State University and another college and university for years). All the best to you, Amanda! On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Amanda Kaiser <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: Hi Marilyn! Thank you thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou!!!! I have just read my emails with tears streaming and the biggest smile, I can't believe you were able to find info on my great grandfather! I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I've been working 12/13 hour days all week! Thank god today was my last day at work...I'm exhausted!!! My grandad and his siblings were all born in Grob Betschkerek. So I think that my great grandfather might have married in Sankt Georgen because he wasn't in the marriage register in Grob Betschkerek. I am so thankful, you have given me the best birthday present ever! I need to re read your email because I read it quickly and rushed to reply. I just wanted to let you know I was ok. I'll get back to you tomorrow once I have another look at the info and after I have a massive sleep in!!!! Yay! Take care and good night :-) mandy ________________________________________ From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>] Sent: Friday, 20 December 2013 1:41 AM To: Amanda Kaiser Subject: Kaiser in Ernsthausen Hi Amanda, hope you are okay and wonder if you received the email and Banat postings about your family? I had thought you might be pleased at finding your great granddad. All the best, Marilyn This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of the email or any part thereof (including any attachment), is prohibited and you should notify the sender and delete this email immediately. To the fullest extent permitted by law the Gordon accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may result from your receipt of this message or any attachments.

My apologies if this has been posted before, but can anyone direct me to where I can find the recipe for any of the two sauces mentioned in the subject line. My Grandmother would make this often for Sunday meals and my brothers and I are interested in trying our hand at recreating it, hopefully to taste close to the way our grandmother once made it. Thanks. -- Reiner Pister "The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie-deliberate, contrived and dishonest-but the myth-persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. . . . We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

Hans, I noticed in your info on Anna Maria Sindstein that her husband lists 9 people in the WK. Anna Maria’s first husband was George Gerber who died in Eckartswiller. He was the father of Franz Josef Gerber who is my relative. I have always believed that Franz married in Eckartswiller before immigrating the the Banat. But according to the info I received from you if Franz was one of those who immigrated he would have been only 6 or 7 years old. Would you be so kind as to see if there is a Franz Joseph Gerber listed in the Gottlob Familienbuch and if so please send me any info on him or his marriage. I believe his wife was either Madalena or Anna Maria. Thank you so much for your help Judy Wasness

Happy New Year, Mt. Angel Travellers, You will be delighted to hear that Stasa Cvetkovic from Banat will be joining us this year for Mt. Angel 2014 Treffen. Stasa has been showing quite a few of you his Banat and all of Vojvodina! Henry Fischer is still working on the conference program but as usual it will be covering excellent topics. The program will be posted by our computer guru David Preston on our nifty http://danube-swabians.org/MtAngel/ pages. I am looking forwards to see you there in 251 days…. Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net

From the FB Gottlob from Philipp Lung printed 1995. Nikoaus Horn is working on a new FB Gottlob... 1711 SINDSTEIN Thadäus Eckertswiller aus dem Elsaß 1oo SINDSTEIN Anna Maria * (1749) Luxemburg +Gottlob 03.09.1796 II/32 HNr4. 47 J. Wien 21.06.1786 - WK 289/87 9 P.. von Eckertswiller aus dem Elsaß 2oo ROCHASSIN Cäcilia oo Gottlob 09.11.1796 I/39 Tz: Nikolaus Frank. Johann Martin. HNr4 Grüße Hans Grimm Jr. Am 01.01.2014 20:09, schrieb Judy Wasness: > A Happy Holidays to all. I am looking for Anna Maria Sindstein maiden name of Burger. She was originally from the Alsac Lorraine Moselle area. She is listed in the Gottlob Heimatbuch with death date of 1795 but no further info > to verify it is the Anna Maria I am looking for. I do not have the Gottlob Familienbuch so if someone would be so kind as to look it up for me I would be so appreciative. TIA Judy Wasness > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you so much Hans. This is my relative and I thank you for the confirmation. Judy Wasness

A Happy Holidays to all. I am looking for Anna Maria Sindstein maiden name of Burger. She was originally from the Alsac Lorraine Moselle area. She is listed in the Gottlob Heimatbuch with death date of 1795 but no further info to verify it is the Anna Maria I am looking for. I do not have the Gottlob Familienbuch so if someone would be so kind as to look it up for me I would be so appreciative. TIA Judy Wasness

Glenn I have a question for you. Please send me your email address. Happy new year. Never say whoa!

Thank you Dr. Dreyer for the additional information. Glenn Schwartz mentioned to me that the Setschan Familienbuch is here in Regina at the Sask. Genealogical Library, so when it is warmer outside I shall walk over to it and do some research. Darrel Hockley On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 8:23:33 PM, Dave Dreyer <[email protected]> wrote: Darrel, You are right, Setschan was founded in 1806 through internal migration.  As the author, Karl Benz, remarks in the introduction to his family book, the greater part of these inital settlers came from Ulmbach.  Other villages which contributed fair numbers were, Johannisfeld, Stefansfeld and Sartscha.  Fortunately there are family books for all four of these places and all contain Haas families except Johannisfeld but none would fit your Elisabeth.  Keep in mind that the Stefansfeld records are  fragmentary with many gaps.  If I understand correctly we are looking for a family Haas NN *ca 1770 oo NN Elisabeth *ca 1772 Katharina         *ca 1800   Almost all the villages in the neighborhood of Setschan were settled in the period 1790-1820 so it is more likely, depending on the arrival time in the Banat, that the family came from a village in the Banat Heide many of which were settled 1770-1780 with settlers from Western Europe.  As you may suspect Haas is a common German surname.  One finds 8 pages of Haas in Stader.  Of these entries one can pick out a considerable number which are connected with a Banat locality.  Of these I checked about half for the family.  Places checked, almost all of which contained Haas are,  Jahrmarkt Guttenbrunn Hatzfeld Gottlob Freidorf Grabatz Mercydorf Tschakowa Marienfeld In the Marienfeld family book by Willy Kirsch I find a possible prospect Haas Heinrich *1775 oo NN Elisabeth *1775 Katharina             *8 Jun 1796 Marienfeld   But the weak link in all this is the assumption that the Elisabeth whose death is in the Dolatz family book is actually the mother of  Katharina Haas. Dave Dreyer           ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrel Hockley >To: Dave Dreyer >Cc: Banat List >Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 8:19 AM >Subject: Haas of Dolatz and Setschan > > >Hello Dr. Dreyer and List, > > >I think the mother of Katharina Haas (c.1800 to 1 March 1862, Dolatz) was Elisabeth Haas (c.1772 to 4 January 1843, Dolatz). In the Dolatz family books, which I just received, its seems that Elisabeth came from Setschan. Katharina was married twice: in 1818 at Dolatz to Franz  Helfrich (1792 to 1828) and in 1830 at Dolatz to Johann Bikar (1810 to 1866) and had children from each husband. > > >I would think that perhaps Elisabeth's husband (whatever his first name was) would be buried in Setschan. Perhaps Katharina was born in Ulmbach since that was the mother town of Setschan which was founded about 1805? Thanks for any insight. > > >Darrel Hockley >

Darrel, You are right, Setschan was founded in 1806 through internal migration. As the author, Karl Benz, remarks in the introduction to his family book, the greater part of these inital settlers came from Ulmbach. Other villages which contributed fair numbers were, Johannisfeld, Stefansfeld and Sartscha. Fortunately there are family books for all four of these places and all contain Haas families except Johannisfeld but none would fit your Elisabeth. Keep in mind that the Stefansfeld records are fragmentary with many gaps. If I understand correctly we are looking for a family Haas NN *ca 1770 oo NN Elisabeth *ca 1772 Katharina *ca 1800 Almost all the villages in the neighborhood of Setschan were settled in the period 1790-1820 so it is more likely, depending on the arrival time in the Banat, that the family came from a village in the Banat Heide many of which were settled 1770-1780 with settlers from Western Europe. As you may suspect Haas is a common German surname. One finds 8 pages of Haas in Stader. Of these entries one can pick out a considerable number which are connected with a Banat locality. Of these I checked about half for the family. Places checked, almost all of which contained Haas are, Jahrmarkt Guttenbrunn Hatzfeld Gottlob Freidorf Grabatz Mercydorf Tschakowa Marienfeld In the Marienfeld family book by Willy Kirsch I find a possible prospect Haas Heinrich *1775 oo NN Elisabeth *1775 Katharina *8 Jun 1796 Marienfeld But the weak link in all this is the assumption that the Elisabeth whose death is in the Dolatz family book is actually the mother of Katharina Haas. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrel Hockley To: Dave Dreyer Cc: Banat List Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 8:19 AM Subject: Haas of Dolatz and Setschan Hello Dr. Dreyer and List, I think the mother of Katharina Haas (c.1800 to 1 March 1862, Dolatz) was Elisabeth Haas (c.1772 to 4 January 1843, Dolatz). In the Dolatz family books, which I just received, its seems that Elisabeth came from Setschan. Katharina was married twice: in 1818 at Dolatz to Franz Helfrich (1792 to 1828) and in 1830 at Dolatz to Johann Bikar (1810 to 1866) and had children from each husband. I would think that perhaps Elisabeth's husband (whatever his first name was) would be buried in Setschan. Perhaps Katharina was born in Ulmbach since that was the mother town of Setschan which was founded about 1805? Thanks for any insight. Darrel Hockley

Hello Dr. Dreyer and List, I think the mother of Katharina Haas (c.1800 to 1 March 1862, Dolatz) was Elisabeth Haas (c.1772 to 4 January 1843, Dolatz). In the Dolatz family books, which I just received, its seems that Elisabeth came from Setschan. Katharina was married twice: in 1818 at Dolatz to Franz  Helfrich (1792 to 1828) and in 1830 at Dolatz to Johann Bikar (1810 to 1866) and had children from each husband. I would think that perhaps Elisabeth's husband (whatever his first name was) would be buried in Setschan. Perhaps Katharina was born in Ulmbach since that was the mother town of Setschan which was founded about 1805? Thanks for any insight. Darrel Hockley

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