Darrel. There are no Rollmann nor Schell entries in the Neu Arad family book. Regarding missing pages in filmed church books(KBs). Missing pages in filmed KBs mainly come about through two causes. Most frequently the microfilm operator unintenually turned two pages at the same time. A missing page, especially in older KBs, comes about when a page becomes loose from the binding. Over the years these pages often become lost. Such pages are often the ones at the beginning or end of the book. If there is a Banat village which does not have families of Jung I haven't found it. I do find some of your guys in nearby Detta. >From the Detta Familienbuch by Anton Kraemer Jung Mathias. . oo Kiefer Eva 1 Peter *16 Aug 1801 Ofsenitza +31 Aug 1801 Offsenitza 2 Peter *16 May 1803 Ofsenitza 3 Anna Maria *14 Jun 1905 Ofsenitza Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrel Hockley To: Dave Dreyer Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Updated Offsenitza Family Book? Hello Dr. Dave, I am now 99 per cent sure that my ancestor Mathias Jung born c.1821 and who married Anna Kilcher at Offsenitza in 1841 was also born at Offsenitza the son of Mathias Jung (born c.1769) and his third wife Anna Maria Klug/Kluch (1797 to c.1824). Last week I found a note dated Sept. 1978 I had made when I interviewed my late great grandmother Mary Hyer (nee Jung) and her sister Mrs. Anna Mahaffey. Their minds were bad in remembering names by then but they were firm in remembering that their branch of Jungs were related to the branch descended from Mathias and his second wife Eva Kiefer (c.1776 to 1817). The note is "John's (John Jung/Young 1885 to 1977 of Regina, SK) Dad (Michael Jung 1839 to 1910 of Parry, SK) and Dad's (Sebastian Jung 1860 to 1938 of Lang, SK) Dad (Mathias c.1821 to ?? of Offsenitza) were brothers". Actually if you add Michael Jung's father, Jakob Jung (1811 to ?? of Offsenitza), to the line then it is fully true - Jakob Jung and Mathias Jung were half-brothers. That is why I ask about a revised Offsenitza book. Maybe there is a page missing in it for baptisms in 1821 or that page was not microfilmed back in the 1940s? Darrel Hockley On Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:57:05 PM, Dave Dreyer <[email protected]> wrote: Darrel, I expect that there is no one working on a further Offsenitza family book. One would need, as a first step to get the necessary copies of the Offsenitza church books(KBs) from the Temeswar archives. You might contact the AKdFF to see if they have copies of the KBs. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel Hockley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 6:29 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Updated Offsenitza Family Book? > Is there anyone working on an updated Offsenitza Family Book with the > entries going up to around the year 1900? > > Darrel Hockley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

 Would anyone please check to see if the surnames of Rollmann and Schell appear in the "Neu Arad im Banat 1725-1835" family book by Edgar Aldag? Thank you. Darrel Hockley Regina, SK

I forgot to hit the reply to all button so the List could read my reply to Dr. Dave. Darrel Hockley On Thursday, January 23, 2014 12:42:42 PM, Darrel Hockley <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Dr. Dave, I am now 99 per cent sure that my ancestor Mathias Jung born c.1821 and who married Anna Kilcher at Offsenitza in 1841 was also born at Offsenitza the son of Mathias Jung (born c.1769) and his third wife Anna Maria Klug/Kluch (1797 to c.1824). Last week I found a note dated Sept. 1978 I had made when I interviewed my late great grandmother Mary Hyer (nee Jung) and her sister Mrs. Anna Mahaffey. Their minds were bad in remembering names by then but they were firm in remembering that  their branch of Jungs were related to the branch descended from Mathias and his second wife Eva Kiefer (c.1776 to 1817). The note is "John's (John Jung/Young 1885 to 1977 of Regina, SK) Dad (Michael Jung 1839 to 1910 of Parry, SK) and Dad's (Sebastian Jung 1860 to 1938 of Lang, SK) Dad (Mathias c.1821 to ?? of Offsenitza) were brothers". Actually if you add Michael Jung's father, Jakob Jung (1811 to ?? of Offsenitza), to the line then it is fully true - Jakob Jung and Mathias Jung were half-brothers. That is why I ask about a revised Offsenitza book. Maybe there is a page missing in it for baptisms in 1821 or that page was not microfilmed back in the 1940s? Darrel Hockley On Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:57:05 PM, Dave Dreyer <[email protected]> wrote: Darrel, I expect that there is no one working on a further Offsenitza family book. One would need, as a first step to get the necessary copies of the Offsenitza church books(KBs) from the Temeswar archives.  You might contact the AKdFF to see if they have copies of the KBs. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel Hockley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 6:29 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Updated Offsenitza Family Book? > Is there anyone working on an updated Offsenitza Family Book with the > entries going up to around the year 1900? > > Darrel Hockley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

The scam appeared obvious and, unfortunately, becoming all too common.  We all need to be vigilant and try to avoid activating such links.  Fortunately, my antiviral/antispam software caught this right away.  I guess that makes it worth the cost. Thomas Thornton

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Hi Robert, I have mentioned this to others who are also interested in Seultor-St Hubert-Charleville. There will be published this year a new Familienbuch that may give you the answers you are seeking. Just hang in there. It is coming. Robert Evensen -----Original Message----- From: Robert Bosch Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:59 PM To: Banat Rootsweb Subject: [BANAT-L] 1844 Franz Bering Biring Pereng Bereng in Seultor I am trying to find who are the parents of Franz BIRING BERING BERENG PERENG PEREIN who was from Seultor-St Hubert-Charleville. Born sometime around 1844. Would like his birthdate, too. FHL microfilms 858403 and 858404 have births up until 1835. Any ideas? Also, does anyone know how to locate marriage and birth records for Novo Szello around 1863-65? It was Hungary then and is in Serbia now close to Banatska Topola. Thanks, Robert Bosch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to find who are the parents of Franz BIRING BERING BERENG PERENG PEREIN who was from Seultor-St Hubert-Charleville.  Born sometime around 1844.  Would like his birthdate, too. FHL microfilms 858403 and 858404 have births up until 1835. Any ideas? Also, does anyone know how to locate marriage and birth records for Novo Szello around 1863-65?  It was Hungary then and is in Serbia now  close to Banatska Topola. Thanks, Robert Bosch

Darrel, I expect that there is no one working on a further Offsenitza family book. One would need, as a first step to get the necessary copies of the Offsenitza church books(KBs) from the Temeswar archives. You might contact the AKdFF to see if they have copies of the KBs. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel Hockley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 6:29 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Updated Offsenitza Family Book? > Is there anyone working on an updated Offsenitza Family Book with the > entries going up to around the year 1900? > > Darrel Hockley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Is there anyone working on an updated Offsenitza Family Book with the entries going up to around the year 1900? Darrel Hockley

Hi. --------------------- KLUG Michael oo 07.03.1791 Lowrin HAMMER Elisabeth 1. Margaretha *15.12.1791 Lowrin 2. Lenhard * 23.10.1792 Lowrin 3. Anton *04.10.1795 Lowrin 4. Katharina *10.05.1797 Lowrin 5. Elisabeth *21.12.1798 Lowrin +15.03.1800 Lowrin 6. Eva *18.09.1800 Lowrin 7. Margaretha *21.09.1802 Lowrin No other Leonhards K. listed in the FB. --------------------- No Mathias JUNG oo KLUG familie listed in the FB. Best Ragnar -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Darrel Hockley Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Januar 2014 12:43 An: Banat List Betreff: [BANAT-L] Look up for Klug/Kluch & Jung in Lowrin Family Book I was wondering if anyone would please look up the baptism record of Leonard Klug/Kluch and I think who was his sister Anna Maria Klug/Kluch who were both born in the late 1780s or 1790s at Lowrin. Leonard Klug married on 27 Feb. 1814 at Zichydorf to Juliana Jung (born 15 Oct. 1798 at Zichydorf, the daughter of Franciscus Jung and Walburger Granvizel) and he and his family lived at Offsenitza where he died on 2 Oct. 1853. Anna Maria Klug/Kluch married on 27 May 1817 at Offsenitza to Mathias Jung (born about 1769). Their first child named Anna Maria Jung was baptised at Offsenitza on 28 Sept. 1818, however I am looking to see if Mathias and Anna Maria Jung had any children born/baptised at Lowrin between 1819 and 1825 and if Anna Maria Klug Jung died and was buried there at Lowrin around 1825. About that time old Mathias Jung married again for a fourth time to a Marianna Rek but that marriage did not occur at Offsenitza so maybe it was celebrated at Lowrin? Mathias and Marianna Jung had a daughter named Katharina Jung who was baptised on 13 July 1825 at Offsenitza. Thank you in advance for any information. Darrel Hockley Regina, SK, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try using Chrome as your browser. Some websites have difficulties with one browser but not another. https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/ is the link to download Chrome from. Denise in Oregon -----Original Message----- Pat, Try this link: http://www.banaterheide.de/fambuch/perjamosch/index.htm Which was found on http://www.banatbooks.com Cheers, David Preston On Jan 16, 2014, at 6:20 PM, Pat Haley <[email protected]> wrote: > I have been trying for days to look at the Perjamosch fb and cannot pull up the site. Does anybody have any suggestions? > Pat Haley > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3681/7009 - Release Date: 01/16/14

Pat, Try this link: http://www.banaterheide.de/fambuch/perjamosch/index.htm Which was found on http://www.banatbooks.com Cheers, David Preston On Jan 16, 2014, at 6:20 PM, Pat Haley <[email protected]> wrote: > I have been trying for days to look at the Perjamosch fb and cannot pull up the site. Does anybody have any suggestions? > Pat Haley > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is the one I tried and I cannot get the book. Pat > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Perjamosch fb > From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:28:41 -0500 > CC: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Pat, > > Try this link: > http://www.banaterheide.de/fambuch/perjamosch/index.htm > > Which was found on http://www.banatbooks.com > > > Cheers, > > David Preston > > > On Jan 16, 2014, at 6:20 PM, Pat Haley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have been trying for days to look at the Perjamosch fb and cannot pull up the site. Does anybody have any suggestions? > > Pat Haley > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been trying for days to look at the Perjamosch fb and cannot pull up the site. Does anybody have any suggestions? Pat Haley

Hallo Danube Swabian Researchers, As you can read below I am forwarding to you another information that was swept under the carpet for the last 20 years. Hans Grimm from the Donauschwaben-L is pointing to a documentary that will be shown on the 17th of January 2014 on the ARD Mediathek channel. http://www.ardmediathek.de/das-erste/reportage-dokumentation/deutsche-gegen-devisen-ein-geschaeft-im-kalten-krieg?documentId=19069896 I translated for you the description of the documentary. -------- German citizenship for foreign currencies - A business in the Cold War Over more than 20 years there have been a secret deal between the Federal Republic and Romania . The communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu gave permission for the Romanians of German descent to emigrate to Germany during the Cold War - against the payment of bounty . The " top secret channel " as it was called in Bonn, it cost Federal Republic billions of dollars. The currency helped the regime in Bucharest to repay its sovereign debt . That way around 250,000 people left their homes, or Romania's majority of their citizens of German descent. For more than 800 years their ancestors had lived in Transylvania and the Banat . For many, the passport to Germany was the promise that determined their future and the fate of their families. The West German public learned about the biggest open purchase history nothing . Ceausescu had demanded the utmost secrecy. The world should not know that Romania ran a trade with its citizens. Even the Bonn's Ministry of the Interior was only recently informed about that operation. The sole negotiator on behalf of the Federal Government was the Düsseldorf lawyer Heinz Günther Hüsch . Between 1968 and 1989 he traveled hundreds of times for meetings with the Romanian Securitate , often with suitcases full of money and a pistol in his luggage. 25 years after the fall of the Iron Curtain Heinz Günther Hüsch opened his archives to documenting the reports on the " top secret channel " . Through its documentations and reports he helps to reconstruct a largely unknown chapter of the Cold War . The policy makers of those times were interviewed in the documentary as well as numerous of Romania's ethnic Germans , telling the circumstances of their departure and the history of their families. Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net

Sorry to do another follow up, but somehow I lost the message that had some information about Franzfeld, Austria-Hungary which mentioned Franzfeld and the military information that might be connected with it. I'm sending it to both lists just in case the person is on both Lists. Thank you very much. HERE IS COPY OF ORIGINAL MSG: Greetings to all DVHH Mail List Subscribers and Happy New Year, I'm Marcia Fay (WAGNEHALS) Cobb and I'll give you a little bit of my background. Marcia Fay is my first name. My father named me and he said I didn't have a middle name. I found out much later that in the Banat area where he was born middle names were not given. I was born in Mansfield, Ohio. My father Adam WAGENHALS was born in Kanak, Austria Hungary now Konak, Serbia,19 NOV 1912. However, his birth place may be listed a Franzfeld, Austria-Hungary now Kacarevo, Serbia as Franzfeld is where the family was living when my father was born and before they immigrated to the United States. I never found out why my father (Adam) was born in Kanak. My mother was Elizabeth Reginna HALLABRIN. NOTE: I have copy of the heimat book Franzfeld Im Banat (1792--1945) if that would be of help to anyone. It is all in German. Joseph WAGENHALS, (paternal Gfather) DOB: 23 MAY 1879 Franzfeld, Austria-Hungary DOD: 01 NOV 1965 Mansfield, Ohio Jacob WAGENHALS, (paternal GGfather) Franzfeld, Austria-Hungary Barbara (Ulmer) WAGENHALS, (paternal GGmother) Franzfeld, Austria-Hungary Elizabeth (Dehm) WAGENHALS, (paternal Gmother) DOB: 17 JUN 1883 Austria-Hungary DOD: 23 DEC 1943 Mansfield, Ohio Father: Fred DEHM Mother: Christina (GALLEK) Adam WAGENHALS was one of ten children. Seven lived to adulthood. Two sisters named Elizabeth died in Franzfeld. The third sister (also named Elizabeth) died three days after arriving in Mansfield, Ohio and is buried there. NAMES OF INTEREST: WAGENHALS, Adam, Joseph, Jacob (Franzfeld) ULMER, Barbara DEHM, Fred, Adam GALLEK, Christina SCHEURER KOCH SALZMAN, Elizabeth FETTER HALLABRIN, Michael, Christina (Franzfeld) I hope I did this right. Best regards to all, Marcia Fay (WAGENHALS) Cobb Newberg, Oregon, USA

I was wondering if anyone would please look up the baptism record of Leonard Klug/Kluch and I think who was his sister Anna Maria Klug/Kluch who were both born in the late 1780s or 1790s at Lowrin. Leonard Klug married on 27 Feb. 1814 at Zichydorf to Juliana Jung (born 15 Oct. 1798 at Zichydorf, the daughter of Franciscus Jung and Walburger Granvizel) and he and his family lived at Offsenitza where he died on 2 Oct. 1853. Anna Maria Klug/Kluch married on 27 May 1817 at Offsenitza to Mathias Jung (born about 1769). Their first child named Anna Maria Jung was baptised at Offsenitza on 28 Sept. 1818, however I am looking to see if Mathias and Anna Maria Jung had any children born/baptised at Lowrin between 1819 and 1825 and if Anna Maria Klug Jung died and was buried there at Lowrin around 1825. About that time old Mathias Jung married again for a fourth time to a Marianna Rek but that marriage did not occur at Offsenitza so maybe it was celebrated at Lowrin? Mathias and Marianna Jung had a daughter named Katharina Jung who was baptised on 13 July 1825 at Offsenitza. Thank you in advance for any information. Darrel Hockley Regina, SK, Canada

Fran, Many thanks! This all started from a minor correction to one arm of my tree. I really appreciate your input and will certainly check 'em all out. Best Regards, Andrew Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Fran Matkovich<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: ‎1/‎14/‎2014 1:16 PM To: 'Dave Dreyer'<mailto:[email protected]>; 'Andrew Ricks'<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: 'Banat List'<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 Hi Andrew, Just in case you may connect to these LENHARD from Hatzfeld: 6658 LENHARD, Johanna * um. .1745 in Luxemburg + 24.01.1771 in Hf 6659 LENHARD, Susanna * um. .1745 in Luxemburg + 24.01.1771 in Hf 6660 LENHARD, Gertrud * um. .1772 + 31.01.1785 in Hf 6661 LENHARD, Johann * um. .1783 8 LENHARD*, Elisabeth * um. .1785 Kind(er) a) Peter t 22.02.1803 Hf Ehe siehe <6663> b) Barbara t 02.08.1805 Hf + 12.81.1806 in Hf c) Magdalena t 16.03.1810 Hf 6662 LENHARD, Paul * um. .1789 8 LENHARD*, Agnes * um. .1791 Kind(er) a) Elisabeth t 12.05.1809 Hf 6663 LENHARD, Peter Eltern siehe <6661> t 22.02.1803 in Hf 8 07.01.1822 in Hf MARTIN, Elisabeth * um. .1802 Kind(er) a) Peter t 22.10.1824 Hf b) Peter t 02.12.1826 Hf 6664 LENHARD, Wenzel * um. .1805 6665 LENHARD, Katharina t um. .1813 in Hf Kind(er) a) Katharina t 18.08.1833 Hf 6666 LENHARD, Christophorus * um. .1815 in Ostern + 16.12.1835 in Hf Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Dreyer Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 11:16 PM To: Andrew Ricks Cc: Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 Andrew, Many thanks for the additional Lenhardt data. After looking through all the data on this family I suspect that kid #3 Peter never came to the U. S. A small point but I cannot find him in the passenger ship records and he is not living with his parents in the North Dakota census. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Ricks To: Dave Dreyer ; [email protected] Cc: Banat List Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 Hi David! Thanks for the quick response and the stories about Peter SCHULZ' descendant. Very interesting and thorough letter, too! I believe Peter may be a first cousin to Thomas' wife, Anna SCHULZ, but am still investigating that. Thomas LENHARDT (also spelled LENHART and LENNERT) died here in Mansfield, Ohio, USA on 14 Mar 1939 at the home of his daughter Laura (per his Ohio death certificate, and local cemetery, funeral home and newspaper records), having been here at that time about three years. His wife Anna appears to have passed 15 Jul 1931 in Dickinson, ND, USA (have yet to corroborate). He originally came from Josefsdorf 9 May 1905 with wife Anna and two kids, Laura and Thomas (per viewing your extraction of ship records): http://freepages.genealogy.rootsw eb.ancestry.com/~banatdata/ND/NDakota.htm I am creating most of Thomas' family record looking at p. 205 of your Josefsdorf draft but I believe there is high probability on this family being correct per matches on the DOB matching his Ohio death cert, and DOB/POB matches on daughter Elenoria (my great-grandmother) to her death certificate (Eleanora Laura SCHACHERER), and per mention of a son named Peter from oral family sources: 1 Barbara LENHART / 12 Apr 1880 (Setschan) - 9 Sep 1884; 2 Anna LENHART / 7 Aug 1881 (Setschan) - ? / oo Josef DONIS 12 Feb 1899 at Josefsdorf / last know residence in Dunn, ND, USA per 1930 US census; 3 Peter LENHART / 17 Aug 1883 (Josefsdorf) - 1909 (?) (Montana, USA); 4 Elenoria / 3 Jul 1887 (Josefsdorf) - 11 Oct 1969 (Mansfield, OH, USA) / oo Anton SCHACHERER abt. 1910 (per Dickinson, ND, USA US census); 5 Johann (Thomas) LENHART / 27 Jun 1892 (Josefsdorf) - Aug 1976 (Guadalajara, Mexico) / no known spouse; 6 Magdalena / 24 Aug 1894 - 22 Jan 1897 Some of the above chart has been added to based on further Ancestry.com research. Any other information or reference material you can point to would be fantastic! Best Regards, Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 20:49:02 -0800 Andrew, I have been a long term volunteer at the local Mormon FHC. About 10 years ago a fellow came into the center while I was there who was a descendent of ND Banaters. Since Banaters are thin on the ground here we spent the rest of the day shooting the bull on Banaters. I have forgotten his name, but he had made many trips to the Banat back in the bad old communist days and had many wild stories to tell. As I recall he was descended from Peter Schulz and Marg Wilhelm who lived in Glendive(see the Josefsdorf draft at Banatbooks). I only saw him one additional time when he came in and had several documents with him, among them the letter we eventually published. I made a copy for my use at that time. He was not in very good health and was talking about making still another trip to the Banat. I wondered if he ever was able to make the last trip. In any event, the letter was obviously an effort on the part of the author to leave a bit of family history for his descendents. I agree with your conclusion that the author appears to be Heinrich Schulz. Although I cannot directly document birthplace of Heinirch Schulz but in the Josefsdorf church books his birthplace is given as Tschawosch. There is no family book for Tschawosch at this time nor are copies of the Tschawosch church books generally available(except in the Temeswar archives). Could you give me the death date and place of Thomas Lenhardt. Do you have details on the death dates, places and marriages of his kids? Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Ricks To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:07 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 12 Jan 2014 Greetings Gentlemen! I am writing in the interest of the above-described letter and communication between you in 2008 (found in the Banat archives - see link below). It specifically names a direct descendant of mine, i.e. a Thomas LENHART, my second great grandfather. He is buried here in Mansfield, Ohio, USA and I am currently in the process of purchasing a headstone for his grave site - it would be nice to include a place of birth for the engraver. Since I am having trouble navigating the many Banat resources that are so graciously provided, would you kindly point me in the right direction on some questions I have: a.. What is the originating source of this letter? b.. Who authored the letter? It appears to be a Heinrich SCHULZ, pursuant to comparing the stated marriage date in the letter to the Elisenhain-Josefsdorf Family Register 1872-1990 (page 317). Any help you may offer would be deeply appreciated. Sincerely, Andrew Andrew J. Ricks 459 Beethoven St. Mansfield, OH 44902-7012 (419) 612-9008 [email protected] http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BANAT/2008-12/1229585579 http://www.banatbooks.com/ELISENHAIN-JOSEFSDORF-FAMILY-REGISTER-Watermarked. pdf ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Andrew, Just in case you may connect to these LENHARD from Hatzfeld: 6658 LENHARD, Johanna * um. .1745 in Luxemburg + 24.01.1771 in Hf 6659 LENHARD, Susanna * um. .1745 in Luxemburg + 24.01.1771 in Hf 6660 LENHARD, Gertrud * um. .1772 + 31.01.1785 in Hf 6661 LENHARD, Johann * um. .1783 8 LENHARD*, Elisabeth * um. .1785 Kind(er) a) Peter t 22.02.1803 Hf Ehe siehe <6663> b) Barbara t 02.08.1805 Hf + 12.81.1806 in Hf c) Magdalena t 16.03.1810 Hf 6662 LENHARD, Paul * um. .1789 8 LENHARD*, Agnes * um. .1791 Kind(er) a) Elisabeth t 12.05.1809 Hf 6663 LENHARD, Peter Eltern siehe <6661> t 22.02.1803 in Hf 8 07.01.1822 in Hf MARTIN, Elisabeth * um. .1802 Kind(er) a) Peter t 22.10.1824 Hf b) Peter t 02.12.1826 Hf 6664 LENHARD, Wenzel * um. .1805 6665 LENHARD, Katharina t um. .1813 in Hf Kind(er) a) Katharina t 18.08.1833 Hf 6666 LENHARD, Christophorus * um. .1815 in Ostern + 16.12.1835 in Hf Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Dreyer Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 11:16 PM To: Andrew Ricks Cc: Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 Andrew, Many thanks for the additional Lenhardt data. After looking through all the data on this family I suspect that kid #3 Peter never came to the U. S. A small point but I cannot find him in the passenger ship records and he is not living with his parents in the North Dakota census. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Ricks To: Dave Dreyer ; [email protected] Cc: Banat List Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 Hi David! Thanks for the quick response and the stories about Peter SCHULZ' descendant. Very interesting and thorough letter, too! I believe Peter may be a first cousin to Thomas' wife, Anna SCHULZ, but am still investigating that. Thomas LENHARDT (also spelled LENHART and LENNERT) died here in Mansfield, Ohio, USA on 14 Mar 1939 at the home of his daughter Laura (per his Ohio death certificate, and local cemetery, funeral home and newspaper records), having been here at that time about three years. His wife Anna appears to have passed 15 Jul 1931 in Dickinson, ND, USA (have yet to corroborate). He originally came from Josefsdorf 9 May 1905 with wife Anna and two kids, Laura and Thomas (per viewing your extraction of ship records): http://freepages.genealogy.rootsw eb.ancestry.com/~banatdata/ND/NDakota.htm I am creating most of Thomas' family record looking at p. 205 of your Josefsdorf draft but I believe there is high probability on this family being correct per matches on the DOB matching his Ohio death cert, and DOB/POB matches on daughter Elenoria (my great-grandmother) to her death certificate (Eleanora Laura SCHACHERER), and per mention of a son named Peter from oral family sources: 1 Barbara LENHART / 12 Apr 1880 (Setschan) - 9 Sep 1884; 2 Anna LENHART / 7 Aug 1881 (Setschan) - ? / oo Josef DONIS 12 Feb 1899 at Josefsdorf / last know residence in Dunn, ND, USA per 1930 US census; 3 Peter LENHART / 17 Aug 1883 (Josefsdorf) - 1909 (?) (Montana, USA); 4 Elenoria / 3 Jul 1887 (Josefsdorf) - 11 Oct 1969 (Mansfield, OH, USA) / oo Anton SCHACHERER abt. 1910 (per Dickinson, ND, USA US census); 5 Johann (Thomas) LENHART / 27 Jun 1892 (Josefsdorf) - Aug 1976 (Guadalajara, Mexico) / no known spouse; 6 Magdalena / 24 Aug 1894 - 22 Jan 1897 Some of the above chart has been added to based on further Ancestry.com research. Any other information or reference material you can point to would be fantastic! Best Regards, Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 20:49:02 -0800 Andrew, I have been a long term volunteer at the local Mormon FHC. About 10 years ago a fellow came into the center while I was there who was a descendent of ND Banaters. Since Banaters are thin on the ground here we spent the rest of the day shooting the bull on Banaters. I have forgotten his name, but he had made many trips to the Banat back in the bad old communist days and had many wild stories to tell. As I recall he was descended from Peter Schulz and Marg Wilhelm who lived in Glendive(see the Josefsdorf draft at Banatbooks). I only saw him one additional time when he came in and had several documents with him, among them the letter we eventually published. I made a copy for my use at that time. He was not in very good health and was talking about making still another trip to the Banat. I wondered if he ever was able to make the last trip. In any event, the letter was obviously an effort on the part of the author to leave a bit of family history for his descendents. I agree with your conclusion that the author appears to be Heinrich Schulz. Although I cannot directly document birthplace of Heinirch Schulz but in the Josefsdorf church books his birthplace is given as Tschawosch. There is no family book for Tschawosch at this time nor are copies of the Tschawosch church books generally available(except in the Temeswar archives). Could you give me the death date and place of Thomas Lenhardt. Do you have details on the death dates, places and marriages of his kids? Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Ricks To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:07 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 12 Jan 2014 Greetings Gentlemen! I am writing in the interest of the above-described letter and communication between you in 2008 (found in the Banat archives - see link below). It specifically names a direct descendant of mine, i.e. a Thomas LENHART, my second great grandfather. He is buried here in Mansfield, Ohio, USA and I am currently in the process of purchasing a headstone for his grave site - it would be nice to include a place of birth for the engraver. Since I am having trouble navigating the many Banat resources that are so graciously provided, would you kindly point me in the right direction on some questions I have: a.. What is the originating source of this letter? b.. Who authored the letter? It appears to be a Heinrich SCHULZ, pursuant to comparing the stated marriage date in the letter to the Elisenhain-Josefsdorf Family Register 1872-1990 (page 317). Any help you may offer would be deeply appreciated. Sincerely, Andrew Andrew J. Ricks 459 Beethoven St. Mansfield, OH 44902-7012 (419) 612-9008 [email protected] http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BANAT/2008-12/1229585579 http://www.banatbooks.com/ELISENHAIN-JOSEFSDORF-FAMILY-REGISTER-Watermarked. pdf ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message