Darrel- There are 3 PILLER listings in the Billed OSB (p412-p414). Billed is near Alexanderhausen so sometimes families from one show up in the other. Joannes PILLER <Vestfalia [Westphalia] *1715 +30.08.1769 in Billed Georg PILLER *Sz.Miklos +30.07.1836 in Billed -- 2 wives, and a lot of children born 1811-1830 Conradus PILLER *02.07.1815 in Billed (son of Georg and Christina PHILIPPI[N]) -- 3 wives, and 3 children born 1840-1847 with wife Catherina PICKER (Georgius, Nicolaus, Gertrud) The last two listings are on the more complex side to "decode." --- Eric Benshetler (near Philadelphia) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Evensen Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:10 AM To: Timothy Ottinger; Darrel Hockley; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Piller and Kielburg families in Wiseschdia I tried that and there are no Biller's in Wiseschdia. Robert From: Timothy Ottinger Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:53 AM To: Robert Evensen ; Darrel Hockley ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Piller and Kielburg families in Wiseschdia By any chance could it be under BILLER since P's & B's are interchangeable. Judy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: Robert Evensen <[email protected]> To: Darrel Hockley <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Piller and Kielburg families in Wiseschdia Darrel, You are correct. The Alexanderhausen FB says she was born in Wiseschdia, but she is not listed in Katharina Frank's book under the name Piller. Robert From: Darrel Hockley Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:18 PM To: Darrel Hockley ; Robert Evensen ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Piller and Kielburg families in Wiseschdia In the Alexanderhausen family book under the marriage of Johann Kronberger and Anna Piller which took place on 2 Feb. 1899, Anna Piller's place of birth on 9 Oct. 1872 is stated to be at Wd, which I thought was the initials for Wiseschdia. So would anyone please know what the Wd in the Alexanderhausen book states for? Darrel Hockley On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:00:49 PM, Darrel Hockley <[email protected]> wrote: Thank you Robert, Now I have ANOTHER mystery to solve..... ): Darrel On Monday, January 27, 2014 7:54:03 PM, Robert Evensen <[email protected]> wrote: Sorry Darrel, there are no Piller or Kielburg families listed in the Wiseschdia FB. Best, Robert Evensen -----Original Message----- From: Darrel Hockley Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 8:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BANAT-L] Piller and Kielburg families in Wiseschdia Hello List Are there many Piller and Kielburg families in the Wiseschdia family book? I am looking for information on Jakob Piller who married Eva Kielburg and had a daughter Anna Piller born there on 9 Oct. 1872. Thank you. Darrel Hockley Regina, SK, Canada

I agree and do the same.  The bank transfer costs $25-$35, so it is not practical unless the amount is larger. Susan Clarkson ________________________________ From: Dave Dreyer <[email protected]> To: Marilyn Fedewa <[email protected]> Cc: Banat List <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Stefan Yaeger catalog Marilyn, I routinely pay all my bills in Germany by sending Euros in cash by ordinary mail.  Never have had a problem.  If you have a 20 Euro note there should be no problem.  Transfer with a bank to bank transfer is just not practical. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Fedewa" <[email protected]> To: "Banat List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:00 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Stefan Yaeger catalog > Hi all, > > Just wondered if anyone has ordered the new Stefan Yaeger catalog, per > Dave > Dreyer's recent posting? > > I emailed Heidemarie Czernecky to see if they took PayPal and she said > bank > transfers were too cumbersome. She asked for 20 euros, which would include > postage, but recommended sending it registered mail (adds another 13-plus > USD to the cost). She didn't say cash, but I think that's what she meant. > > Yet on their website (at this page -- > http://hilfswerk-der-banater-schwaben.de/Helft%20uns%20helfen.htm ) they > had a bank account and bank code number for the Banat Schwabien Relief > Fund.So, I just wondered if any one else has successfully sent them money > online? > > Thanks, > > Marilyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, I routinely pay all my bills in Germany by sending Euros in cash by ordinary mail. Never have had a problem. If you have a 20 Euro note there should be no problem. Transfer with a bank to bank transfer is just not practical. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Fedewa" <[email protected]> To: "Banat List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:00 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Stefan Yaeger catalog > Hi all, > > Just wondered if anyone has ordered the new Stefan Yaeger catalog, per > Dave > Dreyer's recent posting? > > I emailed Heidemarie Czernecky to see if they took PayPal and she said > bank > transfers were too cumbersome. She asked for 20 euros, which would include > postage, but recommended sending it registered mail (adds another 13-plus > USD to the cost). She didn't say cash, but I think that's what she meant. > > Yet on their website (at this page -- > http://hilfswerk-der-banater-schwaben.de/Helft%20uns%20helfen.htm ) they > had a bank account and bank code number for the Banat Schwabien Relief > Fund.So, I just wondered if any one else has successfully sent them money > online? > > Thanks, > > Marilyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Just wondered if anyone has ordered the new Stefan Yaeger catalog, per Dave Dreyer's recent posting? I emailed Heidemarie Czernecky to see if they took PayPal and she said bank transfers were too cumbersome. She asked for 20 euros, which would include postage, but recommended sending it registered mail (adds another 13-plus USD to the cost). She didn't say cash, but I think that's what she meant. Yet on their website (at this page -- http://hilfswerk-der-banater-schwaben.de/Helft%20uns%20helfen.htm ) they had a bank account and bank code number for the Banat Schwabien Relief Fund.So, I just wondered if any one else has successfully sent them money online? Thanks, Marilyn

The Nazis also did this with people! > Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:31:03 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BANAT-L] Short film about Germans leaving Romania > > A friend in Germany sent me information about this program that appeared on German TV. It is about the Ceaucescu years and his practice of "selling" Germans to Germany during his years in power. He allowed Germans to leave Romania in exchange for payments from the German government. > > The program is in German and can be viewed by entering this in Google or other search engine: > ARD Mediathek Geschichte im Ersten Deutsch gegen Devisen - Ein Geschaeft im Kalten Krieg > > This will bring up a description of the program (in German). Click on the photo and you can view the film. > > Susan Clarkson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A friend in Germany sent me information about this program that appeared on German TV.  It is about the Ceaucescu years and his practice of "selling" Germans to Germany during his years in power.  He allowed Germans to leave Romania in exchange for payments from the German government. The program is in German and can be viewed by entering this in Google or other search engine: ARD Mediathek Geschichte im Ersten Deutsch gegen Devisen - Ein Geschaeft im Kalten Krieg This will bring up a description of the program (in German).  Click on the photo and you can view the film. Susan Clarkson

Susan, No I do not have a copy of the book. By way of documentation of the Banater Trauch the publication of Volume 3 or the series "Das Banat und Die Banater Schwaben" comes to mind. This volume entitled "Trachten und Brauchtum" 1986, published by the Landmannschaft, systematically illustrates examples of Trachten from each Banat locality. The illustrations are mostly from the early 20th century so will not tell much about that of the original settlers but may be of interet to someone interested in the variation of styles from town to town. . Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Clarkson To: Dave Dreyer Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Stefan Jaeger paintings Dave, do you have the book. I once visited the Stefan Jaeger museum in Hatzfeld. On the wall was a small copy of his tryptich of the journey to the Banat. Under the people were handwritten notes of the region of origin of the trachten. I wasn't able to write them down, although I should have. Is anything like this included in the book? Yours, Sue From: Dave Dreyer <[email protected]> To: Banat List <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2014 8:21 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Stefan Jaeger paintings Last year, on the occasion of the 135 birthday(and 50 death day) of Stefan Jaeger, an exposition of 165 of his finest paintings was held in Ingolstadt. A catalogue has been published of the exposition. This is the largest collection of Jaeger paintings ever published. A copy of the catalogue, priced at 15 Euro plus postage, can be ordered from, [email protected] In a somewhat related matter, a Jaeger watercolor which was donated to the Gr St Nikolaus HOG was put up for sale as a fund raising effort. The painting is of two young, sitting girls in their Tracht. The picture is size 20 X 14 cm with a wood frame, 34 X 28 cm. It had a starting bid of 700 Euro. The sale ended on 17 Dec so we do not know the final sale price(Banater Post 10th Dec). Dave Dreyer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Zichydorfers I´m looking for Pictures of the Lutz Family in Zichydorf. Especially it would be great if someone could send me a picture from the Family of LUTZ Adam * 15.07.1863 Zichydorf † 09.04.1946 Rudolfsgnad oo 19.01.1886 Zichydorf VIOME Margaretha * 23.10.1866 Zichydorf † 23.02.1932 Zichydorf Liebe Zichydorfer, Ich bin auf der Suche nach Bildern der Familie Lutz in Zichydorf. Insbesondere suche Fotos vom LUTZ Adam Arbeiter * 15.07.1863 Zichydorf † 09.04.1946 Rudolfsgnad oo 19.01.1886 Zichydorf VIOME Margaretha * 23.10.1866 Zichydorf † 23.02.1932 Zichydorf Falls jemand welche hat, würde ich mich sehr über einen Scan freuen. Viele Grüße / best regards aus Augsburg Thomas Makkos ------------------------------ Thomas Makkos ------------------------------ Email: [email protected] ------------------------------

Last year, on the occasion of the 135 birthday(and 50 death day) of Stefan Jaeger, an exposition of 165 of his finest paintings was held in Ingolstadt. A catalogue has been published of the exposition. This is the largest collection of Jaeger paintings ever published. A copy of the catalogue, priced at 15 Euro plus postage, can be ordered from, [email protected] In a somewhat related matter, a Jaeger watercolor which was donated to the Gr St Nikolaus HOG was put up for sale as a fund raising effort. The painting is of two young, sitting girls in their Tracht. The picture is size 20 X 14 cm with a wood frame, 34 X 28 cm. It had a starting bid of 700 Euro. The sale ended on 17 Dec so we do not know the final sale price(Banater Post 10th Dec). Dave Dreyer

I was wondering if any books or publications exist regarding the cemeteries in Billed (Biled) particularly the 1700-1800 period. Has anyone photographed headstones? Cathy Ott (Kircher and Blum)

Hi, My husband and I visited Timisoara and several of my ancestral villages 10 years ago.  We found Timisoara to be a delightful place.  Because there are several universities there, you will find many young people who speak English.    Sharon, I have three Darowa books, since Darowa was the village where my grandmother was born.  One of the books is by Peter Berwanger, the former mayor.  It has a layout of the cemetery, and photos of many of the headstones.  There are even a few photos of tombstones from Lugoj.   If you tell me the surname you seek, I can do a look-up for you.  Sincerely, Cathy Teufel O'Neill

To the Kurtzes, I can comment on your trip also. Timisoara is a wonderful town to visit! This past year, I worked with a researcher (Sorin Fortiu) in Timisoara and when we planned our four days in Romania in September, I arranged for him to be our guide and translator. I specifically wanted to go to my father's birthplace, Pietroase Mare (then Vechehaza and in Romanian Wetschenhausen) and also find any records for the family name. I had been in Lugos in 1965 and wanted to revisit and also see if anything was there in the church. We stayed in Timisoara and spent a day and a half on our own in town seeing the sites and then traveling. In my father's town we scoured the cemetery, but came up with nothing; likewise in Darova, a neighboring town where my grandmother had married her first husband. That cemetery was huge and while we looked carefully, it was overgrown and hard to determine if anything was there. We think not. But the churches there were wonderful and we met several people who were so nice to meet us and show us a bit. Just being in those villages was so meaningful. The best part was indeed the planning ahead. But not everything goes as planned. The first day in Lugos we got to the church and it was closed. The next day as we traveled through Lugos we decided to stop again at the church. This time, the clerk had posted a note that her grandmother had a stomach ache and she had gone home! However, due to the luck of having someone who spoke Romanian (Sorin) and the fact that a caretaker at the church had a key, we were able to go in and look at the church record book for 1901 and found the record of my aunt's birth. If we'd had longer and I'd had more figured out about what I wanted to know, we could have spent more time on research. But I had decided early on that I didn't want to spend my time in archives that I couldn't read, but that I did want to see the countryside and visit my dad's town (he was born in 1897) and get a feel of the place. I was not disappointed. Now when I do research I have such a wonderful picture in my mind of the villages, the churches, the people. Have a wonderful time. Best wishes for your trip. Sharon Aller Seattle PS In Timisoara, the first night, it was dark and we walked into town from our hotel. The only restaurant we could identify that was open was the KFC! We had dinner and the young cashier was delighted to practice her English. I found many people in Timisoara who spoke English with us. And there's a McDonald's on the corner in the plaza also. Apparently, you're never far from home! ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:01:32 AM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 28 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Timisoara visit spring 2014 (Charlie Tiller) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 10:46:07 -0600 From: Charlie Tiller <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Timisoara visit spring 2014 To: Listserve Banat <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Kurtzes, In September 2013, my wife and I took a one-day road trip in nearly the opposite direction from Novi Sad to Zrenjanin to the Serb-Romanian border villages to Timisoara and back. We thoroughly enoyed our experience and will have life-long memories of visiting my ancestral homeland. That said, it is vitally important that you do some research ahead of time and plan your trip so that you don't wind up stranded somewhere in the Romanian countryside twiddling your thumbs. [Do bring a wireless phone that will work in the area; signal strength seemed reliable throughout.] My biggest caution would be that it was a 14-hour day spent mostly in the car on a table-flat landscape, and yet that really was not enough time to soak it in thoroughly or do many side trips/research. You could see more or go slower by breaking it up over a couple days, but then you'd have to spend the night in a small town. Most of the villages are rather nondescript farming hamlets which hold more value for ancestral nostalgia than for sightseeing. Perhaps your best bet for an overnight accomodation would be Jimbolia (quaint) or Zrenjanin (less appealing to us). In my opinion, it is important that you know where you want to visit instead of playing it by ear. In my experience, nostalgia can best be found in the places your ancestors actually set foot, and the more histroically intact the better. Try to identify those targets before leaving the USA; the Banat towns have changed enough over the years so that it appears the on-the-ground research value is rather limited. The cemeteries are in quite good shape, but good luck finding your ancestors' gravestones in a short visit. Many old Catholic churches still stand in some stage of decay, but you will need to identify the local who holds the door key. Looking at cities: Timisoara is an attractive and interesting city well worth more than the few hours we could offer to it. Novi Sad has a solid touristy zone, but is otherwise somewhat gritty. Belgrade gets a bad rap maybe for good reason, but the pedestrian promenade and the fortress overlooking the Danube are well worth an afternoon and a sleepover. The biggest takeaway: It really helped to be with a local guide to deal with driving, directions, the border crossing (seemed intimidating), and the steep language barrier. We hired Stasa Cvetkovic of Novi Sad who I highly recommend [Stasa is on the Banat list]. Whoever you travel with, be sure to let them know ahead of time the places you wish to see, how badly, and what you hope to see there. Local eyes can help you fine tune the itinerary for the best outcomes. Expect to have a terrific journey. Happy travels! Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN [Tiller, Kovacs, Kampf, Fechter and others in Deutsch-Zerne, Hatzfeld and surroundings] > From: [email protected] > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 27 > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 01:01:09 -0700 > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:10:09 +0000 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Timisoara visit spring 2014 > To: " [email protected] " <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Should my husband and I have any concerns about a one day car trip from Timisoara > > to Jimbolia to Zrenjanin, Serbia to Banatski Despotovac then back to Timisoara, Romania. > > This is our first trip to Europe. We have booked four days in the Banat before a Danube river cruise. Thanks for your help. > > > > M and C Kurtz > ************************************ ------------------------------ To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 28 ************************************

Charlie, Many thanks for posting your insightful and well reasoned comments on visiting the Banat. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Tiller" <[email protected]> To: "Listserve Banat" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Timisoara visit spring 2014 > Dear Kurtzes, > > In September 2013, my wife and I took a one-day road trip in nearly the > opposite direction from Novi Sad to Zrenjanin to the Serb-Romanian border > villages to Timisoara and back. We thoroughly enoyed our experience and > will have life-long memories of visiting my ancestral homeland. That > said, it is vitally important that you do some research ahead of time and > plan your trip so that you don't wind up stranded somewhere in the > Romanian countryside twiddling your thumbs. [Do bring a wireless phone > that will work in the area; signal strength seemed reliable throughout.] > > My biggest caution would be that it was a 14-hour day spent mostly in the > car on a table-flat landscape, and yet that really was not enough time to > soak it in thoroughly or do many side trips/research. You could see more > or go slower by breaking it up over a couple days, but then you'd have to > spend the night in a small town. Most of the villages are rather > nondescript farming hamlets which hold more value for ancestral nostalgia > than for sightseeing. Perhaps your best bet for an overnight accomodation > would be Jimbolia (quaint) or Zrenjanin (less appealing to us). > > In my opinion, it is important that you know where you want to visit > instead of playing it by ear. In my experience, nostalgia can best be > found in the places your ancestors actually set foot, and the more > histroically intact the better. Try to identify those targets before > leaving the USA; the Banat towns have changed enough over the years so > that it appears the on-the-ground research value is rather limited. The > cemeteries are in quite good shape, but good luck finding your ancestors' > gravestones in a short visit. Many old Catholic churches still stand in > some stage of decay, but you will need to identify the local who holds the > door key. > > Looking at cities: Timisoara is an attractive and interesting city well > worth more than the few hours we could offer to it. Novi Sad has a solid > touristy zone, but is otherwise somewhat gritty. Belgrade gets a bad rap > maybe for good reason, but the pedestrian promenade and the fortress > overlooking the Danube are well worth an afternoon and a sleepover. > > The biggest takeaway: It really helped to be with a local guide to deal > with driving, directions, the border crossing (seemed intimidating), and > the steep language barrier. We hired Stasa Cvetkovic of Novi Sad who I > highly recommend [Stasa is on the Banat list]. Whoever you travel with, > be sure to let them know ahead of time the places you wish to see, how > badly, and what you hope to see there. Local eyes can help you fine tune > the itinerary for the best outcomes. > > Expect to have a terrific journey. Happy travels! > > Charlie Tiller > St. Paul, MN > [Tiller, Kovacs, Kampf, Fechter and others in Deutsch-Zerne, Hatzfeld and > surroundings] > >> From: [email protected] >> Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 27 >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 01:01:09 -0700 >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:10:09 +0000 >> From: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Timisoara visit spring 2014 >> To: " [email protected] " <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Should my husband and I have any concerns about a one day car trip from >> Timisoara >> >> to Jimbolia to Zrenjanin, Serbia to Banatski Despotovac then back to >> Timisoara, Romania. >> >> This is our first trip to Europe. We have booked four days in the Banat >> before a Danube river cruise. Thanks for your help. >> >> >> >> M and C Kurtz >> ************************************ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

BRAVO to our friend Stasa, we will see him in April for the fourth trip to the Balkans Charlie Tiller: Tell me about your trip? I have many photos of D-Z and Hatzfeld, and Timisoara, I could shar if you like. Regards, Roy Shiflet -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 01/31/14 3:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 28 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Timisoara visit spring 2014 (Charlie Tiller) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 10:46:07 -0600 From: Charlie Tiller <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Timisoara visit spring 2014 To: Listserve Banat <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Kurtzes, In September 2013, my wife and I took a one-day road trip in nearly the opposite direction from Novi Sad to Zrenjanin to the Serb-Romanian border villages to Timisoara and back. We thoroughly enoyed our experience and will have life-long memories of visiting my ancestral homeland. That said, it is vitally important that you do some research ahead of time and plan your trip so that you don't wind up stranded somewhere in the Romanian countryside twiddling your thumbs. [Do bring a wireless phone that will work in the area; signal strength seemed reliable throughout.] My biggest caution would be that it was a 14-hour day spent mostly in the car on a table-flat landscape, and yet that really was not enough time to soak it in thoroughly or do many side trips/research. You could see more or go slower by breaking it up over a couple days, but then you'd have to spend the night in a small town. Most of the villages are rather nondescript farming hamlets which hold more value for ancestral nostalgia than for sightseeing. Perhaps your best bet for an overnight accomodation would be Jimbolia (quaint) or Zrenjanin (less appealing to us). In my opinion, it is important that you know where you want to visit instead of playing it by ear. In my experience, nostalgia can best be found in the places your ancestors actually set foot, and the more histroically intact the better. Try to identify those targets before leaving the USA; the Banat towns have changed enough over the years so that it appears the on-the-ground research value is rather limited. The cemeteries are in quite good shape, but good luck finding your ancestors' gravestones in a short visit. Many old Catholic churches still stand in some stage of decay, but you will need to identify the local who holds the door key. Looking at cities: Timisoara is an attractive and interesting city well worth more than the few hours we could offer to it. Novi Sad has a solid touristy zone, but is otherwise somewhat gritty. Belgrade gets a bad rap maybe for good reason, but the pedestrian promenade and the fortress overlooking the Danube are well worth an afternoon and a sleepover. The biggest takeaway: It really helped to be with a local guide to deal with driving, directions, the border crossing (seemed intimidating), and the steep language barrier. We hired Stasa Cvetkovic of Novi Sad who I highly recommend [Stasa is on the Banat list]. Whoever you travel with, be sure to let them know ahead of time the places you wish to see, how badly, and what you hope to see there. Local eyes can help you fine tune the itinerary for the best outcomes. Expect to have a terrific journey. Happy travels! Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN [Tiller, Kovacs, Kampf, Fechter and others in Deutsch-Zerne, Hatzfeld and surroundings] > From: [email protected] > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 27 > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 01:01:09 -0700 > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:10:09 +0000 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Timisoara visit spring 2014 > To: " [email protected] " <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Should my husband and I have any concerns about a one day car trip > from Timisoara > > to Jimbolia to Zrenjanin, Serbia to Banatski Despotovac then back to Timisoara, Romania. > > This is our first trip to Europe. We have booked four days in the Banat before a Danube river cruise. Thanks for your help. > > > > M and C Kurtz > ************************************ ------------------------------ To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 28 ************************************

Dear Kurtzes, In September 2013, my wife and I took a one-day road trip in nearly the opposite direction from Novi Sad to Zrenjanin to the Serb-Romanian border villages to Timisoara and back. We thoroughly enoyed our experience and will have life-long memories of visiting my ancestral homeland. That said, it is vitally important that you do some research ahead of time and plan your trip so that you don't wind up stranded somewhere in the Romanian countryside twiddling your thumbs. [Do bring a wireless phone that will work in the area; signal strength seemed reliable throughout.] My biggest caution would be that it was a 14-hour day spent mostly in the car on a table-flat landscape, and yet that really was not enough time to soak it in thoroughly or do many side trips/research. You could see more or go slower by breaking it up over a couple days, but then you'd have to spend the night in a small town. Most of the villages are rather nondescript farming hamlets which hold more value for ancestral nostalgia than for sightseeing. Perhaps your best bet for an overnight accomodation would be Jimbolia (quaint) or Zrenjanin (less appealing to us). In my opinion, it is important that you know where you want to visit instead of playing it by ear. In my experience, nostalgia can best be found in the places your ancestors actually set foot, and the more histroically intact the better. Try to identify those targets before leaving the USA; the Banat towns have changed enough over the years so that it appears the on-the-ground research value is rather limited. The cemeteries are in quite good shape, but good luck finding your ancestors' gravestones in a short visit. Many old Catholic churches still stand in some stage of decay, but you will need to identify the local who holds the door key. Looking at cities: Timisoara is an attractive and interesting city well worth more than the few hours we could offer to it. Novi Sad has a solid touristy zone, but is otherwise somewhat gritty. Belgrade gets a bad rap maybe for good reason, but the pedestrian promenade and the fortress overlooking the Danube are well worth an afternoon and a sleepover. The biggest takeaway: It really helped to be with a local guide to deal with driving, directions, the border crossing (seemed intimidating), and the steep language barrier. We hired Stasa Cvetkovic of Novi Sad who I highly recommend [Stasa is on the Banat list]. Whoever you travel with, be sure to let them know ahead of time the places you wish to see, how badly, and what you hope to see there. Local eyes can help you fine tune the itinerary for the best outcomes. Expect to have a terrific journey. Happy travels! Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN [Tiller, Kovacs, Kampf, Fechter and others in Deutsch-Zerne, Hatzfeld and surroundings] > From: [email protected] > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 27 > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 01:01:09 -0700 > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:10:09 +0000 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Timisoara visit spring 2014 > To: " [email protected] " <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Should my husband and I have any concerns about a one day car trip from Timisoara > > to Jimbolia to Zrenjanin, Serbia to Banatski Despotovac then back to Timisoara, Romania. > > This is our first trip to Europe. We have booked four days in the Banat before a Danube river cruise. Thanks for your help. > > > > M and C Kurtz > ************************************

Should my husband and I have any concerns about a one day car trip from Timisoara to Jimbolia to Zrenjanin, Serbia to Banatski Despotovac then back to Timisoara, Romania. This is our first trip to Europe. We have booked four days in the Banat before a Danube river cruise. Thanks for your help. M and C Kurtz Sent from Windows Mail

Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer, vielleicht stolpert ja der ein oder andere über einen Ansiedler aus Groß-Kikinda. Danke mfg Laine (Falzboden) Martin Block's - Pärchen ohne Wurzeln und Äste Buchstaben H - O: 1. Hágen, Jakob 04.11.1798 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 13) Tz.: Martin Geiger & Johann Kirer Risinmajer, Eva 2. Ivanof, Marcus 02.11.1801 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 16) Tz.: Peter Ratsch(?) & Demetrius Pejof(?) Csókán. Maria 3. Jacob, Michael * um 1767 14.11.1791 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 5) Tz.: Joseph Sattelberger & Andreas Ados (Einwohner Mokrin) Kovács, Elisabeth * um 1772 4. Juhász, Johann (SV: Juhasz, Juhaz) 17.11.1799 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 14) Tz.: Andreas Cse & Mathias Lurger Szalai, Theresia 5. Kaich, Joseph * um 1766 21.11.1791 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 5) Tz.: Johann Blaxo & Georg Franyov (beide aus Deszk) Foriska, Julianna * 02.08.1772 (Mokrin) 6. Kaich, Nikolaus * um 1769 21.11.1791 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 5) Tz.: Joseph Kovacsovics & Georg Franyov (beide aus Deszk) Kuna, Eva * um 1774 7. Kaich, Paul (Mokrin) 15.02.1797 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 11) Tz.: Adam Horváth & Ignaz Foriska Begin, Anna 8. Kerekes, Michael (Schreiner aus Maros-Vásárhely/Transsylvanien) 01.11.1761 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( I, 1) Tz.: Andreas Csida & Michael Kecskeméthi Kecskeméthi, Elisabeth (Witwe) 9. Kirer, Georg (Gastwirt) (SV: Kihrer, Khirer, Kherer, Kürer) * um 1752 25.01.1784 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( II, 6) Tz.: Johann Kirchner & Johann Kirer Lexa, Anna Maria * 07.04.1765 (Szeged)(FamS) 10. Kislinger, Georg (SV: Kiszlinger) 17.07.1785 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 1) Tz.: Joseph Prusinszki (Angestellter Gerichts-Tafel) & Johann Karl Bertoni Tischter, Josepha 11. Kocsis, Martin (Sohn von Johann aus Groß-Betschkerek) 02.10.1763 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( I, 4) Tz.: Georg Gyurkith & Michael Pavlovics Sipos, Theresia (Tochter von Michael) 12. Kolb, Johann (SV: Gholb, Kholb) 27.11.1797 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 11) Tz.: Johann Bartlinszky & Joseph Gregor Rajcsányi, Anna 13. Kronmajer, Konrad (aus Groß-St. Nikolaus) (SV: Kromajer, Kromaer, Krommáer) 27.01.1800 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 15) Tz.: Ferdinand Irer & Johann Kirer Kirchner, Rosalia * 31.01.1781 (Groß-Kikinda) 14. Kucsera, Anton (SV: Kocsera) 03.09.1791 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 4) Tz.: Martin Kloss & Stanislaus Tót Bartos, Maria Antonia 15. Kukalani, Peter (Witwer) * um 1769 25.09.1794 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 8) Tz.: Paul Nekich & Gabriel Simich (beide Mokrin) Meokovich, Agnes (Witwe) * um 1769 16. Kurinovics, Nikolaus (Schreiber, Sekretär) 15.08.1790 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 3) Tz.: Franz Fabro & Johann Kirchner Schmertzkin, Franziska (Witwe von Joseph Herman) * um 1761 (aus Groß-Kikinda) 17. Majcsek, Joseph (S.v. Martin & Katharina Klucsaj) (Sattler) * 19.11.1762 (Zablath/Trentschin) † 25.08.1793 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † III, 3) 01.11.1791 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 5) Tz.: Anton Zettler & Johann Zacharics Kovács, Brigitte * um 1772 18. Majerhofer, Joseph (SV: Marhober) 22.09.1800 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( II, 15) Tz.: Christoph Krajcsik & Johann Betyár Racz, Maria 19. Makovitz, Lukas (Schneider) (SV: Makovics) * um 1746 (aus Žatcany, Kroatien) 29.01.1781 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( II, 3) Tz.: Benedikt Schimmelbach & Mathias Szunczith Chorvat, Rosina (Tochter v. Johann & Barbara) * um 1763 (aus Carlowitz/Kroatien) 20. Mauerer, Johann Georg * um 1766 26.06.1791 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 4) Tz.: Martin Streicher & Moritz Kimich Szabó, Katharina * um 1767 21. Nagel, Christoph * um 1756 15.08.1790 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 4) Tz.: Anton Zierlein & Ferdinand Irer Weidner, Elisabeth (SV: Veidner) * um 1756 22. Namestovski, Mathaus * um 1775 12.01.1794 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 7) Tz.: Michael Mikus & Anton Zettler Majcsek, Brigitte (Witwe von Joseph?) * um 1775 23. Neuhoffer, Philipp (SV: Neihoffer, Neuhofer) * um 1711 (aus Inseldorf) † 03.03.1787 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † II, 21) 22.09.1771 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( I, 9) Tz.: Johann Réwizi & Johann Maximovics Rollin(?), Katharina (Witwe aus Mokrin) 24. Neumann, Philipp (SV: Nájman, Najmon) 28.10.1798 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 13) Tz.: Martin Streicher & Michael Wiener Schneider, Elisabeth * 06.04.1780 (Groß-Kikinda) 25. Nikolof, Blasius 02.11.1801 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 16) Tz.: Georg Popovics & Anton Mranko Varga, Elisabeth 26. Nosdroviczki, Kaspar (SV: Noszdroviczki) 20.04.1773 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( I, 10) Tz.: Michael Varga & Michael Zuvacsar(?) Kovács, Theresia (Witwe von Georg) 27. Ottmár, Franz 27.04.1772 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( I, 9) Tz.: Daniel Reeb & Heinrich Reeb Leberger, Maria Theresia (Tochter von Christian) _______________________________________________ Akdff-l mailing list [email protected] http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/akdff-l

Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer, vielleicht stolpert der ein oder andere über einen Ansiedler aus Groß-Kikinda. Danke mfg Laine (Falzboden) Martin Block's - Pärchen ohne Wurzeln und Äste Buchstaben P - Z: Pálinkás, Andreas (SV: Pálinkásch, Palinkásch, Palinkas, Palinkass) * um 1753 oo 11.01.1790 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 3) Tz.: Stephan Pálinkás & Michael Kerestes Martonyossi, Anna * um 1753 Pápis, Anton (SV: Papis, Papisch, Papich, Papiss, Papitz, Papes, Papesh, Babisch, Bhabish) * um 1759 oo 23.01.1787 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 2) Tz.: Johann Kirchner & Joseph Herman Schmertzkin, Katharina/Christina * um 1766 (Mährisch Weißkirchen) † 26.04.1808 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † III, 48) Pasko, Peter (Witwer) * um 1762 oo 06.02.1792(KB: 8 III, 5) Tz.: Lorenz Kalichin(?) & Stephan Pálinkás Benedik, Elisabeth * um 1752 Pataki, Andreas (aus Erlau/Eger/Agria) oo 02.02.1761 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 1) Tz.: Andreas Csida & Michael Kecskeméthi Nagy, Katharina (aus Kecskemét) Pavlovics, Michael (SV: Paulovith) (Witwer aus Groß-Betschkerek) oo 30.09.1762 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 2) Tz.: Paul Budimacz & Joseph Lambrecht (...), (...) (Witwe von Georg Tallár) Pólya, Samuel oo 08.02.1798 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 11) Tz.: Michael Molnár & Michael Tót Korács, Theresia Rehak, Joseph (Witwer) * um 1765 oo 03.05.1795 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 9) Tz.: Johann Zacharics & Stephan Dombi Fodor, Barbara * um 1768 Reindl, Ernst (Nationalis Militia Banat. Fourier) oo 11.1773 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 10) Tz.: Adam Morvacz (Locumtenens) & Michael Knabe (Fahnenträger) (de) Haindl, Elisabeth (Tochter von Ferdinand) Sarkadi, Michael (SV: Sarkady) * um 1769 † 10.08.1820 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † III, 122) oo 01.07.1799 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 14) Tz.: Johann Zacharics & Nikolaus Rankovics Kalapis, Maria Schemetka, Andreas * um 1773 oo 06.07.1794 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 8) Tz.: Stephan Gregurak & Johann Barsinski Bognár, Katharina * um 1776 Schmidt, Johann (Eisenschmied) (SV: Schmid) oo 21.06.1767 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 7) Tz.: Johann Réwizi & Dionisius Rusics Demin, Elisabeth Sokub, Johann oo 24.07.1774 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 12) Tz.: Joseph Pap & Franz Polene Dribalin, Katharina (Witwe) Spocher, Adalbert (aus Mokrin) oo 03.06.1764 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 4) Tz.: Georg Bajó & Arsenius Ristin (...), Elisabeth (Witwe aus Beschenowa) * um 1741 † 10.03.1773 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † I, 15) Staisni/Staszny, Joseph * um 1765 (Schlan in Böhmen) † 22.02.1801 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † III, 22) oo 26.04.1790 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 3) Tz.: Johann Kirchner & Johann Ness Hoffmann, Franziska * um 1755 Steinkrug, Thomas (Eisenschmied Groß-Kikinda) (SV: Steinkruch, Steingeruch) oo 11.04.1774 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 11) Tz.: Michael Kitzinger & Anton Erny Schmidt, Katharina Stricsek, Mathias * um 1744 (aus Becse) oo 05.06.1786 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 1) Tz.: Andreas Gombos & Georg Molnár (Neu-Becse) Galambos, Elisabeth * um 1751 (aus Becse) Szabó, Stephan (Schuhmacher) (SV: Szabo, Sabo, Sabó) * um 1750 (aus Szeged) † 19.11.1785 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † II, 18) oo 19.07.1785 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 1) Tz.: Johann Zacharics & Martin Damian Vásárheli, Katharina Szerboth, Johann * 13.11.1753 (Karlstadt, Kroatien) † 09.04.1827 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † III, 169) oo 01.05.1780 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo II, 2) Tz.: Johann Kirchner & Anton Gartlgruber Klub, Anna * um 1754 (aus Polna, Mähren) † vor 09.04.1827 Szilágyi, Johann (Witwer) oo 21.06.1772 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 9) Tz.: Michael Rác & Johann Katta(?) (…), Katharina (Witwe aus Mokrin) Szocha, Andreas (Groß-St. Nikolaus) oo 02.02.1800 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 15) Tz.: Mathias Kolaffa & Johann Demian Petrany, Elisabeth Szöcs, Jakob (Witwer aus Mokrin) * um 1727 † 05.07.1771 (Mokrin)(KB: † I, 12) = 06.07.1771 (Mokrin) oo 07.04.1771 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 9) Tz.: Peter Lengyel & Gregor Mág Horváth, Katharina (Witwe aus Mokrin) Takács, Anton (SV: Takats) oo 13.08.1797 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 11) Tz.: Johann Bartlinszky & Paul Pálfi Király, Anna Tót, Michael (aus Heufeld) (SV: Toth, Tóth, Tott, Todt, Thoth, Thödt, Tótt) oo 27.11.1776 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 12) Tz.: keine Kelemen, Apollonia Tót, Andreas (SV: Toth, Tóth, Tott, Todt, Thoth, Thödt, Tótt) * um 1762 oo 11.02.1787 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 2) Tz.: Mathias Csuncsich & Andreas Franvics (Knopfmacher/Groß St.-Nikolaus) Koncsik, Anna * um 1771 Thurin, Johann oo 05.04.1765 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 6) Tz.: Stephan Tambor(?) & Andreas Faiffer (Mestel?) Stephanin, Anna Maria * 07.11.1725 (Szeged)(FamS) Ulrich, Andreas Joseph (Schreiber) * um 1740 (aus Böhmen) † 17.05.1779 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † II, 3) (HNr. 155) oo 10.04.1774 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 11) Tz.: Franz de Bergman & Johann de Plach (beide Steuereintreiber) Sics, Maria Anna (Witwe des Oberleutnant de Laizekin) Varsányi, Franz (SV: Varsanyi, Varschany, Hársány) * um 1765 oo 23.10.1787 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 2) Tz.: Martin Damian & Mathias Csuncsich Kovács, Anna * um 1769 Vásárheli, Joseph (SV: Vasarheli, Waszarhelly) * um 1776 oo 12.01.1794 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 7) Tz.: Michael Keresztes & Paul Király Jeger, Agnes (Witwe) * um 1774 Wiskay, Thomas * um 1776 oo 10.01.1796 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 9) Tz.: Martin Magyar & Nikolaus Rankovics Jósa, Katharina * um 1777 Zidek, Mathias oo 26.10.1777 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 13) Tz.: Thomas Steinkrug & Bartholomäus Großecker Zidek, Anna Maria Viele Grüße Martin. _______________________________________________ Akdff-l mailing list [email protected] http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/akdff-l

Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer, vielleicht stolpert der ein oder andere über einen Ansiedler aus Groß-Kikinda. Danke mfg Laine (Falzboden) Martin Block's - Pärchen ohne Wurzeln und Äste Buchstaben P - Z: Pálinkás, Andreas (SV: Pálinkásch, Palinkásch, Palinkas, Palinkass) * um 1753 oo 11.01.1790 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 3) Tz.: Stephan Pálinkás & Michael Kerestes Martonyossi, Anna * um 1753 Pápis, Anton (SV: Papis, Papisch, Papich, Papiss, Papitz, Papes, Papesh, Babisch, Bhabish) * um 1759 oo 23.01.1787 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 2) Tz.: Johann Kirchner & Joseph Herman Schmertzkin, Katharina/Christina * um 1766 (Mährisch Weißkirchen) † 26.04.1808 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † III, 48) Pasko, Peter (Witwer) * um 1762 oo 06.02.1792(KB: 8 III, 5) Tz.: Lorenz Kalichin(?) & Stephan Pálinkás Benedik, Elisabeth * um 1752 Pataki, Andreas (aus Erlau/Eger/Agria) oo 02.02.1761 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 1) Tz.: Andreas Csida & Michael Kecskeméthi Nagy, Katharina (aus Kecskemét) Pavlovics, Michael (SV: Paulovith) (Witwer aus Groß-Betschkerek) oo 30.09.1762 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 2) Tz.: Paul Budimacz & Joseph Lambrecht (...), (...) (Witwe von Georg Tallár) Pólya, Samuel oo 08.02.1798 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 11) Tz.: Michael Molnár & Michael Tót Korács, Theresia Rehak, Joseph (Witwer) * um 1765 oo 03.05.1795 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 9) Tz.: Johann Zacharics & Stephan Dombi Fodor, Barbara * um 1768 Reindl, Ernst (Nationalis Militia Banat. Fourier) oo 11.1773 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 10) Tz.: Adam Morvacz (Locumtenens) & Michael Knabe (Fahnenträger) (de) Haindl, Elisabeth (Tochter von Ferdinand) Sarkadi, Michael (SV: Sarkady) * um 1769 † 10.08.1820 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † III, 122) oo 01.07.1799 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 14) Tz.: Johann Zacharics & Nikolaus Rankovics Kalapis, Maria Schemetka, Andreas * um 1773 oo 06.07.1794 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 8) Tz.: Stephan Gregurak & Johann Barsinski Bognár, Katharina * um 1776 Schmidt, Johann (Eisenschmied) (SV: Schmid) oo 21.06.1767 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 7) Tz.: Johann Réwizi & Dionisius Rusics Demin, Elisabeth Sokub, Johann oo 24.07.1774 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 12) Tz.: Joseph Pap & Franz Polene Dribalin, Katharina (Witwe) Spocher, Adalbert (aus Mokrin) oo 03.06.1764 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 4) Tz.: Georg Bajó & Arsenius Ristin (...), Elisabeth (Witwe aus Beschenowa) * um 1741 † 10.03.1773 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † I, 15) Staisni/Staszny, Joseph * um 1765 (Schlan in Böhmen) † 22.02.1801 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † III, 22) oo 26.04.1790 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 3) Tz.: Johann Kirchner & Johann Ness Hoffmann, Franziska * um 1755 Steinkrug, Thomas (Eisenschmied Groß-Kikinda) (SV: Steinkruch, Steingeruch) oo 11.04.1774 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 11) Tz.: Michael Kitzinger & Anton Erny Schmidt, Katharina Stricsek, Mathias * um 1744 (aus Becse) oo 05.06.1786 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 1) Tz.: Andreas Gombos & Georg Molnár (Neu-Becse) Galambos, Elisabeth * um 1751 (aus Becse) Szabó, Stephan (Schuhmacher) (SV: Szabo, Sabo, Sabó) * um 1750 (aus Szeged) † 19.11.1785 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † II, 18) oo 19.07.1785 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 1) Tz.: Johann Zacharics & Martin Damian Vásárheli, Katharina Szerboth, Johann * 13.11.1753 (Karlstadt, Kroatien) † 09.04.1827 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † III, 169) oo 01.05.1780 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo II, 2) Tz.: Johann Kirchner & Anton Gartlgruber Klub, Anna * um 1754 (aus Polna, Mähren) † vor 09.04.1827 Szilágyi, Johann (Witwer) oo 21.06.1772 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 9) Tz.: Michael Rác & Johann Katta(?) (…), Katharina (Witwe aus Mokrin) Szocha, Andreas (Groß-St. Nikolaus) oo 02.02.1800 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 15) Tz.: Mathias Kolaffa & Johann Demian Petrany, Elisabeth Szöcs, Jakob (Witwer aus Mokrin) * um 1727 † 05.07.1771 (Mokrin)(KB: † I, 12) = 06.07.1771 (Mokrin) oo 07.04.1771 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 9) Tz.: Peter Lengyel & Gregor Mág Horváth, Katharina (Witwe aus Mokrin) Takács, Anton (SV: Takats) oo 13.08.1797 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 11) Tz.: Johann Bartlinszky & Paul Pálfi Király, Anna Tót, Michael (aus Heufeld) (SV: Toth, Tóth, Tott, Todt, Thoth, Thödt, Tótt) oo 27.11.1776 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 12) Tz.: keine Kelemen, Apollonia Tót, Andreas (SV: Toth, Tóth, Tott, Todt, Thoth, Thödt, Tótt) * um 1762 oo 11.02.1787 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 2) Tz.: Mathias Csuncsich & Andreas Franvics (Knopfmacher/Groß St.-Nikolaus) Koncsik, Anna * um 1771 Thurin, Johann oo 05.04.1765 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 6) Tz.: Stephan Tambor(?) & Andreas Faiffer (Mestel?) Stephanin, Anna Maria * 07.11.1725 (Szeged)(FamS) Ulrich, Andreas Joseph (Schreiber) * um 1740 (aus Böhmen) † 17.05.1779 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † II, 3) (HNr. 155) oo 10.04.1774 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 11) Tz.: Franz de Bergman & Johann de Plach (beide Steuereintreiber) Sics, Maria Anna (Witwe des Oberleutnant de Laizekin) Varsányi, Franz (SV: Varsanyi, Varschany, Hársány) * um 1765 oo 23.10.1787 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 2) Tz.: Martin Damian & Mathias Csuncsich Kovács, Anna * um 1769 Vásárheli, Joseph (SV: Vasarheli, Waszarhelly) * um 1776 oo 12.01.1794 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 7) Tz.: Michael Keresztes & Paul Király Jeger, Agnes (Witwe) * um 1774 Wiskay, Thomas * um 1776 oo 10.01.1796 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo III, 9) Tz.: Martin Magyar & Nikolaus Rankovics Jósa, Katharina * um 1777 Zidek, Mathias oo 26.10.1777 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: oo I, 13) Tz.: Thomas Steinkrug & Bartholomäus Großecker Zidek, Anna Maria Viele Grüße Martin. _______________________________________________ Akdff-l mailing list [email protected] http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/akdff-l

Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer, vielleicht stolpert ja der ein oder andere über einen Ansiedler aus Groß-Kikinda. Danke mfg Laine (Falzboden) Martin Block's - Pärchen ohne Wurzeln und Äste Buchstaben H - O: 1. Hágen, Jakob 04.11.1798 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 13) Tz.: Martin Geiger & Johann Kirer Risinmajer, Eva 2. Ivanof, Marcus 02.11.1801 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 16) Tz.: Peter Ratsch(?) & Demetrius Pejof(?) Csókán. Maria 3. Jacob, Michael * um 1767 14.11.1791 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 5) Tz.: Joseph Sattelberger & Andreas Ados (Einwohner Mokrin) Kovács, Elisabeth * um 1772 4. Juhász, Johann (SV: Juhasz, Juhaz) 17.11.1799 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 14) Tz.: Andreas Cse & Mathias Lurger Szalai, Theresia 5. Kaich, Joseph * um 1766 21.11.1791 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 5) Tz.: Johann Blaxo & Georg Franyov (beide aus Deszk) Foriska, Julianna * 02.08.1772 (Mokrin) 6. Kaich, Nikolaus * um 1769 21.11.1791 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 5) Tz.: Joseph Kovacsovics & Georg Franyov (beide aus Deszk) Kuna, Eva * um 1774 7. Kaich, Paul (Mokrin) 15.02.1797 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 11) Tz.: Adam Horváth & Ignaz Foriska Begin, Anna 8. Kerekes, Michael (Schreiner aus Maros-Vásárhely/Transsylvanien) 01.11.1761 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( I, 1) Tz.: Andreas Csida & Michael Kecskeméthi Kecskeméthi, Elisabeth (Witwe) 9. Kirer, Georg (Gastwirt) (SV: Kihrer, Khirer, Kherer, Kürer) * um 1752 25.01.1784 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( II, 6) Tz.: Johann Kirchner & Johann Kirer Lexa, Anna Maria * 07.04.1765 (Szeged)(FamS) 10. Kislinger, Georg (SV: Kiszlinger) 17.07.1785 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 1) Tz.: Joseph Prusinszki (Angestellter Gerichts-Tafel) & Johann Karl Bertoni Tischter, Josepha 11. Kocsis, Martin (Sohn von Johann aus Groß-Betschkerek) 02.10.1763 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( I, 4) Tz.: Georg Gyurkith & Michael Pavlovics Sipos, Theresia (Tochter von Michael) 12. Kolb, Johann (SV: Gholb, Kholb) 27.11.1797 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 11) Tz.: Johann Bartlinszky & Joseph Gregor Rajcsányi, Anna 13. Kronmajer, Konrad (aus Groß-St. Nikolaus) (SV: Kromajer, Kromaer, Krommáer) 27.01.1800 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 15) Tz.: Ferdinand Irer & Johann Kirer Kirchner, Rosalia * 31.01.1781 (Groß-Kikinda) 14. Kucsera, Anton (SV: Kocsera) 03.09.1791 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 4) Tz.: Martin Kloss & Stanislaus Tót Bartos, Maria Antonia 15. Kukalani, Peter (Witwer) * um 1769 25.09.1794 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 8) Tz.: Paul Nekich & Gabriel Simich (beide Mokrin) Meokovich, Agnes (Witwe) * um 1769 16. Kurinovics, Nikolaus (Schreiber, Sekretär) 15.08.1790 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 3) Tz.: Franz Fabro & Johann Kirchner Schmertzkin, Franziska (Witwe von Joseph Herman) * um 1761 (aus Groß-Kikinda) 17. Majcsek, Joseph (S.v. Martin & Katharina Klucsaj) (Sattler) * 19.11.1762 (Zablath/Trentschin) † 25.08.1793 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † III, 3) 01.11.1791 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 5) Tz.: Anton Zettler & Johann Zacharics Kovács, Brigitte * um 1772 18. Majerhofer, Joseph (SV: Marhober) 22.09.1800 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( II, 15) Tz.: Christoph Krajcsik & Johann Betyár Racz, Maria 19. Makovitz, Lukas (Schneider) (SV: Makovics) * um 1746 (aus Žatcany, Kroatien) 29.01.1781 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( II, 3) Tz.: Benedikt Schimmelbach & Mathias Szunczith Chorvat, Rosina (Tochter v. Johann & Barbara) * um 1763 (aus Carlowitz/Kroatien) 20. Mauerer, Johann Georg * um 1766 26.06.1791 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 4) Tz.: Martin Streicher & Moritz Kimich Szabó, Katharina * um 1767 21. Nagel, Christoph * um 1756 15.08.1790 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 4) Tz.: Anton Zierlein & Ferdinand Irer Weidner, Elisabeth (SV: Veidner) * um 1756 22. Namestovski, Mathaus * um 1775 12.01.1794 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 7) Tz.: Michael Mikus & Anton Zettler Majcsek, Brigitte (Witwe von Joseph?) * um 1775 23. Neuhoffer, Philipp (SV: Neihoffer, Neuhofer) * um 1711 (aus Inseldorf) † 03.03.1787 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: † II, 21) 22.09.1771 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( I, 9) Tz.: Johann Réwizi & Johann Maximovics Rollin(?), Katharina (Witwe aus Mokrin) 24. Neumann, Philipp (SV: Nájman, Najmon) 28.10.1798 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 13) Tz.: Martin Streicher & Michael Wiener Schneider, Elisabeth * 06.04.1780 (Groß-Kikinda) 25. Nikolof, Blasius 02.11.1801 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( III, 16) Tz.: Georg Popovics & Anton Mranko Varga, Elisabeth 26. Nosdroviczki, Kaspar (SV: Noszdroviczki) 20.04.1773 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( I, 10) Tz.: Michael Varga & Michael Zuvacsar(?) Kovács, Theresia (Witwe von Georg) 27. Ottmár, Franz 27.04.1772 (Groß-Kikinda)(KB: ( I, 9) Tz.: Daniel Reeb & Heinrich Reeb Leberger, Maria Theresia (Tochter von Christian) _______________________________________________ Akdff-l mailing list [email protected] http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/akdff-l