I’m looking for suggestions on where to go next in my research and hoping this list will have some suggestions. I have found data on -- HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth contained in the Karl Benz Setschan Familienbuch, but nothing on their vital details. Based on the birthdate/location of their children (details on children at end of message), I have created a list of locations and approximate dates: Beodra (Novo Miloševo) 1839-1845 Setchan (Secanj) 1849 Johannisfeld (Iohanisfeld, Romania) 1852-1859 Pardan (Medja) 1866 Based on where the children were born and lived, it seems like the best place to find death details on HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth would be in Setschan, Johannisfeld or Pardan. I didn’t find anything in Setschan. It’s my understanding that information from the Familienbuch Johannisfeld was included in the Setschan book, but perhaps it would be worthwhile to check? Also, I noted that the Pardan book only includes 1801 - 1836/1835/1835. Finally, to my knowledge there is not a Beodra book, correct? Could someone with Johannisfeld and Pardan books look for HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth and let me know if my assumptions seem correct, or if you find anything please let me know. Thank you Renée Carl Washington DC HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth Children Susanna * 1839 Beodra oo 14.02.1870 Johannisfeld (Johann Ehardt) † 23.04.1872 Johannisfeld Margaretha * um 1849 Setschan Johann * um 1852 Johannisfeld Josef * um 1854 Johannisfeld Maria Anna * um 1856 Johannisfeld Elisabeth * um 1859 Johannisfeld oo 21.01.1878 Setschan (Valentin Berkessel)† 09.08.1932 Setschan. Katharina * 28.02.1866 Pardan Possible additional child: Anna Hillier (Hiljer) * um 1845 Beodra. † 17.11.1898 Johannisfeld; second wife of Johann Ehardt

Donna, There are 13 listed under Schumer and Schummer. Any other pertinent information you can give to narrow it down? Robert Evensen -----Original Message----- From: Donna Schummer Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 8:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BANAT-L] Stader Hi, is there anyone out there who has Stefan Stader's "Sammelwerk Donauschwäbischer Kolonisten" Volume VII? I need a look up for Schummer in this book. This book is the most recent volume published (2011). Thanks Donna Schummer Donna Schummer [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, is there anyone out there who has Stefan Stader's "Sammelwerk Donauschwäbischer Kolonisten" Volume VII? I need a look up for Schummer in this book. This book is the most recent volume published (2011). Thanks Donna Schummer Donna Schummer [email protected]

Ah, Kranichstaetten - how quickly we forget Cathy - a bit east of Busiasch Dr. Cornell C. Frank, Ph.D. [email protected] On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Catherine Teufel wrote: > Hi All, > > Martin Mahalek has just informed me that the Darowa book is ready to > be sent out.  It costs $110, including postage.  The first edition of > the book was over 1048 pages and an excellent resource.  This second > edition contains additions and corrections to the first edition, and > should be a treasure for Darowa researchers. > > If you need to contact Martin, let me know.  I will send you his > e-mail address. > > Cathy Teufel O'Neill > Researching Bartl and Mahalek in Darowa > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dr. Frank, Have no fear.  The name Kranichstaetten has not been forgotten.  It is written below Darowa on the cover of the first edition, and most likely will appear on the cover of the second edition as well. I actually visited both Darowa and Busiasch with my husband when  we were in the Banat a while back.  Bad Busiasch must have been quite a draw in its day.  We even sampled the water. Cathy Teufel O'Neill ________________________________

Hi All, Martin Mahalek has just informed me that the Darowa book is ready to be sent out.  It costs $110, including postage.  The first edition of the book was over 1048 pages and an excellent resource.  This second edition contains additions and corrections to the first edition, and should be a treasure for Darowa researchers. If you need to contact Martin, let me know.  I will send you his e-mail address. Cathy Teufel O'Neill Researching Bartl and Mahalek in Darowa

Thank you so much for sharing this delightful story, Brigitte. Too bad not all of us can understand Schwowisch, for a lot of the humour and charm gets lost in translation. Here is my translation: During the Easter holiday, we children would always visit our godfathers and godmothers to collect our gifts. If we had been fortunate enough at the time of our baptism, our parents would have been generous in choosing numerous godfathers and godmothers for us. If that was the case, it paid off when it was time to gather the gifts. I was very fortunate in this respect. I was allowed to visit twelve locations on this occasion. Considering that the godfathers and godmothers were spread all over the village, one can appreciate that I was occupied for a whole day. .My last station was always my grandmother's house, not that she was my godmother, but because she always wanted to give me a present. At that particular time, when it was time to gather my gifts, I was six years old. Back home, at Easter time, the grass was already long enough to make a nest for the Easter Bunny. I don't know to this day why my grandmother gave me a sleigh that Easter. > But I think she said that Waanersphatt (Uncle or Godfather Waaner?) was not > able to finish making it before. I would have to lie if I said that my > surprise at that time was greater than my joy. And whatever present I got, > I was determined never to leave it behind. Even though there was no snow > anywhere, I stowed my loot on top of the sleigh, took the rope in my hand > and pulled it homewards. All the good advice from grandmother to leave the > sleigh behind until it could be transported home on a wagon, was to no > avail. > I remember to this day that I had a gruelling struggle to pull the sleigh > on the dry surface of the road, from the Hauptgass (Main Street) to the > Spirtz (The Point), as the sleigh just did not want to slide. And there's > another thing I'm very certain of - that no other child ever had more > spectators during the gathering of the gifts than I did on that Easter > holiday! (By my friend Phillipp Sandles) > Happy Easter to all my Donauschwaben friends! Rose Vetter 2014-04-11 5:18 GMT-07:00 Brigitte Wolf <[email protected]>: > Dear Friends of the list > in a few days is Easter and there was in the Backa and Banat in different > traditions to celebrate this festival. In Sekitsch there was the custom of > "Together Trages". A funny story on Swabian dialect I send you. Maybe > someone can translate the language still speaks into English. It´s really > fun. > I wish happy eastern for all of you. > Brigitte Wolf, Greetings from Berlin, Germany > > "An Oschtre simmer als Kinn immer zu unsre Phatte un Goode zammetraa gang. > Wammer Glick g`hat hat, no ware et Leit bei de Kindtäf net geizich un han > far e ganze Stall voll Goode un Phatte g`sarricht. Sowas hat sich no später > beim Zammetraa ausgezahlt. > Ich selwer war in dere Beziehung zimmlich gut dran. Zwelf Plätz han ich > jedesmol angehn gedärft, wann`s soweit war un wammer bedenkt, daß de Phatte > un Goode iwwer`s ganz Dorf vezottelt ware, wird mer wisse, daß ich immer de > ganze Taa zu tun g`hat han. > Mei letschter Platz war immer et Großmodder, awwer net, weil se mei Good > war, sondern nerre, weil se mer halt a immer was schenke gewellt hat. > Ich war sellomol sechs Johr alt, wie`s an Oschtre widder mol Zammetraa > g`heeßt hat. An Oschtre war`s bei uns schun immer richtich grien in de > Natur, es Gras war schun arichhoch gewachst un mir han`s schun gut far em > Oschterhaas sei Nescht roppe kenne. > Warum mer mei Großmodder grad an denne Oschtre e Schlitte g`schenkt hat, > weeß ich heit nimmi. Ich menn awwer, daß se g`saat hätt, daß de > Waanersphatt ne net frieher fertich griet hätt. > Ich mißt halt lie, wann ich saa tät, daß mei Iwwerraschung domols greeßer > war as wie mei Freed. Un was ich mol g`hat han, des han ich a nimmi stehn > geloßt.Obwohl weit un breet ke Schnee zu siehn war, han ich mei > Zammetraakerwel uf de Schlitte g`stellt, han et Schnur in`d Hand genumm un > sin hemmezus gezoo. Alles gute Zuredde von de Großmodder, ich soll de > Schlitte doch stehn losse, bis er mit em Waa gebrung wird, hat nix genutzt. > Ich weeß heit nerre noch, daß ich mich uf demm truckene Bodde vun den > Haapgaß bis in`d Spitz merterlich anstrenge gemißt han, weil der Schlitte > net ritsche gewellt hat. Un noch etwas weeß ich ganz sicher, daß nämlich > niemols e Kind beim Zammetraa meh Zuschauer g`hat hat wie ich an selle > Oschtre. > By my friend Philipp Sandles > > > -- > [email protected] > Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families > from Sekitsch: > http://www.sekitsch.de > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Friends of the list in a few days is Easter and there was in the Backa and Banat in different traditions to celebrate this festival. In Sekitsch there was the custom of "Together Trages". A funny story on Swabian dialect I send you. Maybe someone can translate the language still speaks into English. It´s really fun. I wish happy eastern for all of you. Brigitte Wolf, Greetings from Berlin, Germany "An Oschtre simmer als Kinn immer zu unsre Phatte un Goode zammetraa gang. Wammer Glick g`hat hat, no ware et Leit bei de Kindtäf net geizich un han far e ganze Stall voll Goode un Phatte g`sarricht. Sowas hat sich no später beim Zammetraa ausgezahlt. Ich selwer war in dere Beziehung zimmlich gut dran. Zwelf Plätz han ich jedesmol angehn gedärft, wann`s soweit war un wammer bedenkt, daß de Phatte un Goode iwwer`s ganz Dorf vezottelt ware, wird mer wisse, daß ich immer de ganze Taa zu tun g`hat han. Mei letschter Platz war immer et Großmodder, awwer net, weil se mei Good war, sondern nerre, weil se mer halt a immer was schenke gewellt hat. Ich war sellomol sechs Johr alt, wie`s an Oschtre widder mol Zammetraa g`heeßt hat. An Oschtre war`s bei uns schun immer richtich grien in de Natur, es Gras war schun arichhoch gewachst un mir han`s schun gut far em Oschterhaas sei Nescht roppe kenne. Warum mer mei Großmodder grad an denne Oschtre e Schlitte g`schenkt hat, weeß ich heit nimmi. Ich menn awwer, daß se g`saat hätt, daß de Waanersphatt ne net frieher fertich griet hätt. Ich mißt halt lie, wann ich saa tät, daß mei Iwwerraschung domols greeßer war as wie mei Freed. Un was ich mol g`hat han, des han ich a nimmi stehn geloßt.Obwohl weit un breet ke Schnee zu siehn war, han ich mei Zammetraakerwel uf de Schlitte g`stellt, han et Schnur in`d Hand genumm un sin hemmezus gezoo. Alles gute Zuredde von de Großmodder, ich soll de Schlitte doch stehn losse, bis er mit em Waa gebrung wird, hat nix genutzt. Ich weeß heit nerre noch, daß ich mich uf demm truckene Bodde vun den Haapgaß bis in`d Spitz merterlich anstrenge gemißt han, weil der Schlitte net ritsche gewellt hat. Un noch etwas weeß ich ganz sicher, daß nämlich niemols e Kind beim Zammetraa meh Zuschauer g`hat hat wie ich an selle Oschtre. By my friend Philipp Sandles -- [email protected] Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families from Sekitsch: http://www.sekitsch.de

Hello Danube Swabian Researchers, The Baranya County has been divided in two parts; the southern ½ is now in Croatia and the northern ½ in Hungary. The Croatian Tourist Office developed an interesting Website describing the major historical localities in the Baranya County: http://www.obz.hr/en/pdf/VodicENG.pdf. See you all come September in Mt. Angel! Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net

Banat Listers, thank you for listening to my tale of woe--RE: Reaching Marlene Strand. As an after thought, I looked back in my Donauschwaben Heritage Meeting Directory for 2009 (Oregon meetings) and found Marlene's phone number, called her, and will be sending her the DVD in question. My thanks and best wishes to all, Marcia Fay (WAGENHALS) Cobb (formerly of Mansfield, Ohio) Newberg, Oregon ____________________________________ From: [email protected] To: [email protected], [email protected] CC: [email protected] Sent: 4/9/2014 10:09:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: RE: DVD -- PULLED STRUDEL W/ CATHERINE HALLABRIN Dear Banat List, I'm trying to get a message to Marlene Strand. I've emailed her twice with no response. On the off chance my email went into the Technological Clouds, I thought I'd try sending it to the Banat List as well. Marlene bought a DVD -- "PULLED STRUDEL W CATHERINE HALLABRIN" from me, and it is not working right. I want to replace the DVD, but as I said, I'm not getting a response from Marlene. COPY OF THE EMAIL SENT TO MARLENE ON 4-7-14: (Because I haven't heard from you, Marlene, I'm resending my email. I know sometimes our emails don't make it to the designated mailbox. Just like snail mail. LOL Anyway, let me know what you would like to do.) (4--3-14) Marlene, I am so sorry to hear that your copy doesn't play correctly. I'm sure we have more copies and I will be glad to send you another--no charge. I'll play the copy before sending it off to you-- make sure it plays right. Just give me your address and we will get another DVD off to you as soon as possible. Did I send you the written recipe? If not, please let me know and I'll include that as well. Good to hear from you, though not under the best circumstances. Hope all is well with you. Marcia Fay c: To my hubby. He's the one that does the copying Thanks so much my Banat friends, Marcia Fay (WAGENHALS) Cobb (formerly of Mansfield, Ohio) Newberg, Oregon

I am also a member of this lineage. Rosina Damas who married Nicholas "Glosi" Kelsch was my gggGrandmother. Would love to connect and compare. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Daniel HILAIRE <[email protected]> wrote: > > Bonsoir Brenda, bonsoir Christine, > Are you interested in the french ancestors of Maurice DAMAS & Elisabeth DEMANGEOT ?Lothard RENARD is, like you, a descendant of this couple. > Cordialement, > Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 16:07:30 -0600 >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Dama, Lenoir >> >> Hello Brenda- >> >> >> >> I was so excited to see your posts to the list! >> >> >> >> My Gr. Grandmother came from the Dama/Damas/Thoma and >> Oberton/Obertin/Oberding/Auberton families in Triebswetter. >> >> >> >> I don't have any info on Wenzel or the 'Klek' Damas, but I would be happy to >> share anything I have if it would help you. I can't find your original >> post, but it seemed like you asked about Lenoirs- I also have Lenoirs in my >> line starting about 1750 in Triebswetter. All of the information I have on >> them comes from Lothar Renard's Triebswetter books. Please feel free to >> email me. >> >> >> >> Best wishes, Christine Lines >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Banat List, I'm trying to get a message to Marlene Strand. I've emailed her twice with no response. On the off chance my email went into the Technological Clouds, I thought I'd try sending it to the Banat List as well. Marlene bought a DVD -- "PULLED STRUDEL W CATHERINE HALLABRIN" from me, and it is not working right. I want to replace the DVD, but as I said, I'm not getting a response from Marlene. COPY OF THE EMAIL SENT TO MARLENE ON 4-7-14: (Because I haven't heard from you, Marlene, I'm resending my email. I know sometimes our emails don't make it to the designated mailbox. Just like snail mail. LOL Anyway, let me know what you would like to do.) (4--3-14) Marlene, I am so sorry to hear that your copy doesn't play correctly. I'm sure we have more copies and I will be glad to send you another--no charge. I'll play the copy before sending it off to you-- make sure it plays right. Just give me your address and we will get another DVD off to you as soon as possible. Did I send you the written recipe? If not, please let me know and I'll include that as well. Good to hear from you, though not under the best circumstances. Hope all is well with you. Marcia Fay c: To my hubby. He's the one that does the copying Thanks so much my Banat friends, Marcia Fay (WAGENHALS) Cobb (formerly of Mansfield, Ohio) Newberg, Oregon

Bonsoir Brenda, bonsoir Christine, Are you interested in the french ancestors of Maurice DAMAS & Elisabeth DEMANGEOT ?Lothard RENARD is, like you, a descendant of this couple. Cordialement, Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 16:07:30 -0600 > Subject: [BANAT-L] Dama, Lenoir > > Hello Brenda- > > > > I was so excited to see your posts to the list! > > > > My Gr. Grandmother came from the Dama/Damas/Thoma and > Oberton/Obertin/Oberding/Auberton families in Triebswetter. > > > > I don't have any info on Wenzel or the 'Klek' Damas, but I would be happy to > share anything I have if it would help you. I can't find your original > post, but it seemed like you asked about Lenoirs- I also have Lenoirs in my > line starting about 1750 in Triebswetter. All of the information I have on > them comes from Lothar Renard's Triebswetter books. Please feel free to > email me. > > > > Best wishes, Christine Lines > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

An extensive listing of Banat Village Books which are known to be in progress has been updated. The update added new works and contact information for many of the authors, as well as pricing where available. All of the updated information can be found here: http://www.banatbooks.com/FutureFamilienbuchs.htm With kind regards, David Preston

Anton Neff and his wife Agnes published a Neudorf family book 1766-1857 in 1992. The Neffs have now nearly completed a follow on Neudorf volume 1857 to current times. Publication is expected early this Fall. The price will be 43 Euro plus postage. Copies can be ordered from Ewald Kollmer at [email protected] Dave Dreyer

Hi all, Just wanted to say thank you to all over the last 12 months. Today it has been a year since my dad Franz Josef Kaiser (born 5/5/1949) was murdered while on holiday. I has been a really tough year for me without family, but I hope that some day soon I will locate my Kaiser family that came from Grob Betschkerek, Ernsthausen & Sankt George an der Bega. Sadly at the age of 38, I am the oldest surviving Kaiser in my line. Once again thank you for making my days a little better. I have learned a lot about the Banat history and the towns my grandparents and great grandparents grew up in through reading posts made to this list. So thankyou for being such a wonderful group! Best wishes Mandy from Australia. This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of the email or any part thereof (including any attachment), is prohibited and you should notify the sender and delete this email immediately. To the fullest extent permitted by law the Gordon accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may result from your receipt of this message or any attachments.

Hello Brenda- I was so excited to see your posts to the list! My Gr. Grandmother came from the Dama/Damas/Thoma and Oberton/Obertin/Oberding/Auberton families in Triebswetter. I don't have any info on Wenzel or the 'Klek' Damas, but I would be happy to share anything I have if it would help you. I can't find your original post, but it seemed like you asked about Lenoirs- I also have Lenoirs in my line starting about 1750 in Triebswetter. All of the information I have on them comes from Lothar Renard's Triebswetter books. Please feel free to email me. Best wishes, Christine Lines

Brenda, Pasted below are Dama entries from the Klek family book. Keep in mind that the records available were very fragmentatory. Dama,Georg, verm.Sv. Wenzel D. und Anna Maria Brech * Lazarfeld 1856, Wo: Klek 114 + Klek 22.01.1933 oo Krettler,Anna, Tv. * Klek 22.05.1862 + Klek 13.11.1929 1. Anton * Klek 05.09.1883 oo Katharina Kray 0132 0132 Dama,Anton, Sv. Georg D. und Anna Krettler 0131/1 * Klek 05.09.1883, Wo: Klek oo Klek 12.02.1905, Tz: Anton Krettler/Nikolaus Kirschenheuter Kray,Katharina, Tv. Josef K. und Katharina Schwarz(Schwarzer ) 0719/2 * Klek 22.05.1885, Wo: Klek 1. Theresia * Klek 12.02.1907 + Klek 23.06.1913(HNr:144) 2. Eva * Klek 06.05.1908 + Klek 21.08.1908(HNr:114) 0385 3. Josef * Klek 13.04.1912 oo Maria Janzer 0133 You will find a page of Damas in the Lazarfeld family book which relate to the above and which includes the families of three sons of Wenzel Dama and A M Brech. Dave Dreeyer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "brenda bering" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 9:50 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Dama in Klek >I am looking for Nikolaus Dama he is on the ship York from Bremen >departure > records to Winnipeg, MB > > His father is Anton Dama lives at Klek 114 > > > > Anton Dama father is Peter Dama > > Peter's father is George Dama > > > > I was wondering if the children would be including in the listings, I am > trying to tie this family with Wenzel Dama and Anna Mariea Brech, Wenzel > is > the son of Johann Stephan and Agnes Kolin, Johann is the son of Jakob and > Mariea Anna Lenoire family. I was told that Peter and Wenzel may have > been > brothers? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Brenda, Your guys are not in the Sigmundfeld family book by Lung. Keep in mind that the birth records used in this work ended in 1880. According to the Dolatz family book, Johann Kittl, *7 Mar 1884 Gier is the illegitimate son of Franziska Kittl and Nikolaus Schneider. Both parents from Setschan. Four additional kids from Franziska(without a father) are listed in the Setschan family book. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "brenda bering" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 9:59 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Kittl in Signmondfeld >I was wondering if there are any listings on Johann Kittl and Magdelena > Knapp's children? > > > > Johann Kittl born March 7, 1884 in Giera and his wife Magadelena Knapp > born > March 22, 1887 in Sigmundfeld > > > > There children are: Stephen Kittl born in 1907 died in 1911 in > Sigmundfeld > > Anna Kittl born December 14, 1909 > in > Sigmundfeld > > Paul Kittl born September 23, 1914 > in Sigmundfeld > > Barbara Kittl born on September 9, > 1920 in Sigmundfeld > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for Johann Bering who married Rosina Dama who are found in t he Lazafeld family book by Hans Repp Would there be any other information on their children ? There children are: John, Katie, Vincent, Susan, George, Mary, Joseph, Eva, Katherine who died in 1907 she had a son named Anton born 11.11.1904, and Adam who was born in August 15, 1884