I've seen several people called Melchior one time and Meinhardt another time in the church books. I cannot find a reference that equates the names. What gives? George

Bercsz Petrus 00 28.01.1783 Gj Miller Catharina TV.<Miller Georg <1897?> 1.Joannes Georgius *02.12.1784 Gj 2.Gertrudis *24.10.1786 Gj 3.Henricus *26.09.1788 Gj +10.01.1789 Gj 4.Antonius *29.01.1790 Gj +05.02.1790 Gj 5.Margarita *20.04.1791 Gj 6.Catharina *20.06.1793 Gj 7.Petrus *04.06.1795 Gj +02/07.1795 Gj 8.Joannes Adamus *21.01.1797 Gj +08.04.1797 Gj 9 Caspar *18.10.1798 Gj +16.01.1799 Gj 10.Maria Anna *15.06.1800 Gj According to above Catharina Miller father listed as George. There many Millers listed but I couldn't find one that matched up with your Catharina. Judy Wasness -----Original Message----- From: Paul Clark via Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 11:55 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Groß Jetscha lookup for Petrus Peress and Catharina Miller Look up request for Großjetscha, Hans Wikete I was looking for place of birth, parents names and their place of birth for the below couple listed in the Dt-Elemer family book. Also hoping for possible Stader - Wien reference for immigration to Banat. PERESS (Bercsz), Petrus * um 1753 + 30.07.1837 Dt-Elemeroo 28.01.1783 Gros Jetscha MILLER (Muller), Catharina * um 1766 + 03.07.1841 Dt-Elemer Alternate spellings for Peress - Bercsz, Pers, Peres, Perhess, Beresz, Peeresz Dt-Elemer family book lists 10 children born in Groß Jetscha. Paul Quentin Clark ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my previous post about Michael Rollmann marrying Margaret(ha) Noheimer in Karlsdorf, I made an error. There were TWO sets of a Michael Rollmann marrying a Margaret(ha) Noheimer! The first set: Michael Rollmann, baptised at Karlsdorf on 29 April 1829, son of Peter Rollmann and his wife Katharina Schwarz, married Margaretha Noheimer. She was baptised at Karlsdorf on 30 August 1834, the daughter of Peter Noheimer and his wife Theresa Reichel. This was the Margaretha Rollmann who died on 28 April 1880 at Urmenhausen and her age at death was given as 50 years. (It is in the "ball park" of the range of ages usually given at the time of a marriage or a death.) The second set: Michael Rollmann, baptised at Karlsdorf on 20 November 1842, son of Adam Rollmann and his wife Katharina (maiden name unknown to me), married Margaretha Noheimer. She was baptised at Karlsdorf on 20 October 1844 at Karlsdorf, the daughter of Franz Noheimer and his wife Margaretha (maiden name unknown to me). Both this Michael and Margaretha were deceased by the time their son Anton Rollmann married Theresa Schill in 1899 in Neuarad. Looking at the Karlsdorf baptism index, there were children born between 1858 and 1873 to Michael and Margaretha Rollmann, but no indication as to which Set of them. The first one, Anna Rollmann who was baptised on 14 June 1858, would belong to Set One. Anton Rollmann who was baptised on 30 November 1873, belonged to Set Two. Darrel Hockley Regina, SK, Canada

Look up request for Großjetscha, Hans Wikete I was looking for place of birth, parents names and their place of birth for the below couple listed in the Dt-Elemer family book.  Also hoping for possible Stader - Wien reference for immigration to Banat. PERESS (Bercsz), Petrus * um 1753 + 30.07.1837 Dt-Elemeroo 28.01.1783 Gros Jetscha MILLER (Muller), Catharina * um 1766 + 03.07.1841 Dt-Elemer Alternate spellings for Peress - Bercsz, Pers, Peres, Perhess, Beresz, Peeresz Dt-Elemer family book lists 10 children born in Groß Jetscha.  Paul Quentin Clark

Hello all, Here is in rough outline the generations of the Rollmann family. If anyone has more information to fill the outline, it will be appreciated. Johann Peter Rollmann, born about 1763 at Regensburg, Bavaria married about 1788 Barbara Bachmajer (Pachmajer). They emigrated to Klein-Betschkerek, Banat where Barbara died on 8 May 1797. Their son: Johann was baptised on 21 May 1790 at Klein-Betschkerek, Banat. He married on 17 February 1811 at Karlsdorf (Karolyfalva), Banat to Margaret Bieler, Margaret was born at Zichydorf, Banat about 1791. Their son: Adam Rollmann was baptised 18 June 1814 at Karlsdorf. He married Katharina (maiden name unknown to me). Their son: Michael Rollmann was baptised 20 November 1842 at Karlsdorf. He married Margaretha Noheimer. Margaretha was baptised 20 October 1844 at Karlsdorf, the daughter of Franz Noheimer and Margaretha (maiden name unknown to me). Margaretha died on 28 April 1880 at Urmenhausen, a town close to Karlsdorf. Michael Rollmann was deceased before the date his son (below) was married. Their son: Anton Rollmann was born 30 November 1873 at Karlsdorf. He moved to the village of Kleinsanktnikolaus (Kis-Szent-Miklos) where he worked as a day labourer. He married on 10 August 1899 at Neuarad (Ujarad) Theresa (nicknamed "Daisy") Schill. Theresa was born on 8 April 1877 in Neuarad, the daughter of Joseph Schill and his wife Theresa Hartmann. In 1903 to 1907 the family lived in the USA and in 1907 moved to the Medicine Hat district of Alberta, Canada. Anton died about 1912. Theresa remarried to Joseph Sax (1880 to 1960) and moved to San Jose, Santa Clara County, California, USA. Theresa died on 16 November 1946 at Santa Barbara, California. Son of Anton and Theresa Rollmann: Johann (John) was born on  25 February 1900 at Neuarad. He married Eva Kronberger (1906 to 1989), daughter of Johann Kronberger and Anna Piller of Lang, SK, Canada on 17 February 1927 in Regina, SK. Johann and Eva had ten children born in the Lang/Yellow Grass area between 1928 and 1940. John Rollmann died in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada on 28 September 1958. Eva died on 2 September 1989 in Moosomin, SK. Darrel Hockley Regina, SK, Canada

A friend of mine, who happens to be a musician, will be performing at a wedding this summer, and would like to include a few traditional Danube Swabian/German wedding songs in her performance. Would anyone happen to have any recommendations?

Dave Thank you for the great information. Frank - Windsor On 7/14/2014 12:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Frank, > There was a long article in the Banater Post some years ago about travel by > land to the Banat. It was 7-8 years ago and I have forgotten the details. > In any event I doubt if the route followed the Danube after Passau. Below > Passau the river enters a narrow valley where in some places there would be > no room for a road paralleling the river. After Vienna and especially > after Budapest the land is very flat so that the channel of the river > frequently splits and wanders badly with many oxbow lakes. The wooded banks > are swampy so that access to the river is not easy. Note how few ports or > towns are directly on the river south of Budapest. Over the years the > channel has been rationalized so that many of the loops have been cut > through. All this makes a road parralleling the river not so easy. In > later years and before steamboats there were tow paths built in some places > for getting boats upstream. > Looking at the map and considering the trade routes to get to Southeastern > Europe I would guess that a desirable route from Germany would avoid high > passes through the Alps. A route through Graz and down the Darva River > valley would avoid high passes and bring one back to the Danube about > Neusatz. This should cut 200 Km off the route. Just speculation on my > part. > By this route migrates could still go through Vienna where they could be > registered. On the other hand, there is no indiction in Wilhelm and > Kallbrunner of immigrants other than those who went by ship. It seems > possible that these might have been registered separately. If so, there may > be a treasure of these records hiding somewhere in a Vienna archives. > Incidentally the Danube route from Ulm to the Banat(Neusatz) was about 1100 > Km and took three weeks. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 5:35 AM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Danube Cruise > > >> Danke Dave. >> Yes. It is the Amawaterways. Thank you for the advice. How about the >> Banaters that did not take the river, and took the land route. Would >> they have followed the river or taken another path. >> >> Frank - Windsor >> >> >> On 7/11/2014 11:39 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> Frank, >>> It sounds like a Amawaterways cruise but yours may be a different cruise >>> line. >>> Several years ago my wife manuvered me onto this trip, except it was the >>> reverse-----Vilshoven to Budapest. >>> If you examine the details of the Banaters travel and considering the >>> relatively short duration taken from Ulm or Regensburg to the >>> Banat(Pantschowa or Neusatz) it is apparent that the barges did not >>> dawdle >>> along the way. We do not know if the barges pulled into shore for an >>> overnight. or if they continued underway at night. At the time of >>> migration >>> to the Banat the travel on the Danube was not especially easy. The >>> channel >>> was blocked in places by rocks which had to be maneuvered around, sand >>> bars, >>> false channels and other obstructions, all making travel after dark >>> chancy. >>> As a result I doubt if there was time for any casual excursions. >>> In my view there are two stops which would reflect on the immigrant >>> experience. >>> The first is the Great Abbey of Melk. The abbey sits on a high bluff >>> overlooking the river and must have been an impressive sight at the time >>> for >>> the travelers on the river. Your boat will stop in Melk. They will >>> offer a >>> bus ride up to the abbey and a tour of the abbey. Take it. The library >>> is >>> particularly impressive. At the end of the tour dump the group and walk >>> back down from the abbey on the footpaths and through the picturesque >>> village of Melk to the boat. >>> Secondly, the boat will tie up north of Vienna-----out in the sticks. It >>> is >>> about half a mile walk to get to the nearest Vienna streetcar line. >>> My wife says take the tour into town but dump the tour at the first stop >>> which should be Schwedenplatz. This is close to the Danube canal and on >>> the >>> edge of the core of the Altstadt as well as on the ring streetcar line. >>> >From here you can walk up into the Altstadt to many of the tourist >>>> sights. >>> As you know, the Banater boats stopped a day in Vienna to register the >>> migrants and pay them for a portion of their travel expenses. I do not >>> know >>> exactly where this registration site was but with a bit of research one >>> should be able to determine its location and likely is within walking >>> distance of Schwedenplatz.. Of course now it would be entirely altered >>> with >>> modern buildings. Perhaps there is someone on the DS list who can point >>> you >>> to the location of the registration place. >>> In Passau, Linz and Bratislava(Pressburg) the boat will tie up within >>> easy >>> walking distance of the core of the town. If you do your homework it is >>> not >>> necessary to take a tour but you can explore on foot and see sights which >>> interest you and have identified in advance. >>> Some comments on Budapest. >>> If you are interested in military matters and have the time you might >>> consider spending some hours in the military museum. It is located on >>> the >>> northwest corner of Castle hill on the Buda side. Almost all places in >>> Budapest will take Euro but for admittance to the museum you will need >>> Florins. Last time I was there I didn't have any Florins but slid by >>> passing as a senior-----if I didn't qualify I am not sure what it would >>> take. In any event, last time I was there was a special exhibit on >>> Russian >>> World War I POW camps. It was accompanied by useful maps and many >>> photos. >>> The camps were distributed all the way across Russia to Vladivostok and >>> even >>> into Afghanistan at Kabul-----I am still trying to figure that one out. >>> Unfortunately there was no catalogue to go with this exhibit. Their >>> permanent exhibits tracks Austrian Hungarian history through its military >>> artifacts. >>> Another frequently overlooked Budapest sight worth consideration is a >>> block >>> size covered market a few blocks south of the St Elisabeth bridge on the >>> Pest side. >>> Gute Reise >>> Dave Dreyer >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:44 AM >>> Subject: [BANAT-L] Danube Cruise >>> >>> >>>> Hello All >>>> I'll be taking a Danube cruise in a couple of weeks from Budapest to >>>> Vilshoven. (Passing through Bratislava, Vienna, Duernstein-Melk, >>>> Linz-Gmunden, Passau). Are there any places, withing walking distance to >>>> the river, that would have something to do with our ancestor's trek? >>>> >>>> Frank - Windsor >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 7/9/2014 6:33 AM, Betty Ann wrote: > Would anyone have a family book on Lovrin? Would you look up the surname of Hubert? I am looking for an Adam Hubert there. Thank you, Betty Ann. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > HUPERT, Adam APP Lov. 13.11.1784, 9 P oo 28.01.1800 ZIMPERGER, Katharina 12 children That the person? -- Ken

Frank, There was a long article in the Banater Post some years ago about travel by land to the Banat. It was 7-8 years ago and I have forgotten the details. In any event I doubt if the route followed the Danube after Passau. Below Passau the river enters a narrow valley where in some places there would be no room for a road paralleling the river. After Vienna and especially after Budapest the land is very flat so that the channel of the river frequently splits and wanders badly with many oxbow lakes. The wooded banks are swampy so that access to the river is not easy. Note how few ports or towns are directly on the river south of Budapest. Over the years the channel has been rationalized so that many of the loops have been cut through. All this makes a road parralleling the river not so easy. In later years and before steamboats there were tow paths built in some places for getting boats upstream. Looking at the map and considering the trade routes to get to Southeastern Europe I would guess that a desirable route from Germany would avoid high passes through the Alps. A route through Graz and down the Darva River valley would avoid high passes and bring one back to the Danube about Neusatz. This should cut 200 Km off the route. Just speculation on my part. By this route migrates could still go through Vienna where they could be registered. On the other hand, there is no indiction in Wilhelm and Kallbrunner of immigrants other than those who went by ship. It seems possible that these might have been registered separately. If so, there may be a treasure of these records hiding somewhere in a Vienna archives. Incidentally the Danube route from Ulm to the Banat(Neusatz) was about 1100 Km and took three weeks. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Danube Cruise > Danke Dave. > Yes. It is the Amawaterways. Thank you for the advice. How about the > Banaters that did not take the river, and took the land route. Would > they have followed the river or taken another path. > > Frank - Windsor > > > On 7/11/2014 11:39 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> Frank, >> It sounds like a Amawaterways cruise but yours may be a different cruise >> line. >> Several years ago my wife manuvered me onto this trip, except it was the >> reverse-----Vilshoven to Budapest. >> If you examine the details of the Banaters travel and considering the >> relatively short duration taken from Ulm or Regensburg to the >> Banat(Pantschowa or Neusatz) it is apparent that the barges did not >> dawdle >> along the way. We do not know if the barges pulled into shore for an >> overnight. or if they continued underway at night. At the time of >> migration >> to the Banat the travel on the Danube was not especially easy. The >> channel >> was blocked in places by rocks which had to be maneuvered around, sand >> bars, >> false channels and other obstructions, all making travel after dark >> chancy. >> As a result I doubt if there was time for any casual excursions. >> In my view there are two stops which would reflect on the immigrant >> experience. >> The first is the Great Abbey of Melk. The abbey sits on a high bluff >> overlooking the river and must have been an impressive sight at the time >> for >> the travelers on the river. Your boat will stop in Melk. They will >> offer a >> bus ride up to the abbey and a tour of the abbey. Take it. The library >> is >> particularly impressive. At the end of the tour dump the group and walk >> back down from the abbey on the footpaths and through the picturesque >> village of Melk to the boat. >> Secondly, the boat will tie up north of Vienna-----out in the sticks. It >> is >> about half a mile walk to get to the nearest Vienna streetcar line. >> My wife says take the tour into town but dump the tour at the first stop >> which should be Schwedenplatz. This is close to the Danube canal and on >> the >> edge of the core of the Altstadt as well as on the ring streetcar line. >> >From here you can walk up into the Altstadt to many of the tourist >> >sights. >> As you know, the Banater boats stopped a day in Vienna to register the >> migrants and pay them for a portion of their travel expenses. I do not >> know >> exactly where this registration site was but with a bit of research one >> should be able to determine its location and likely is within walking >> distance of Schwedenplatz.. Of course now it would be entirely altered >> with >> modern buildings. Perhaps there is someone on the DS list who can point >> you >> to the location of the registration place. >> In Passau, Linz and Bratislava(Pressburg) the boat will tie up within >> easy >> walking distance of the core of the town. If you do your homework it is >> not >> necessary to take a tour but you can explore on foot and see sights which >> interest you and have identified in advance. >> Some comments on Budapest. >> If you are interested in military matters and have the time you might >> consider spending some hours in the military museum. It is located on >> the >> northwest corner of Castle hill on the Buda side. Almost all places in >> Budapest will take Euro but for admittance to the museum you will need >> Florins. Last time I was there I didn't have any Florins but slid by >> passing as a senior-----if I didn't qualify I am not sure what it would >> take. In any event, last time I was there was a special exhibit on >> Russian >> World War I POW camps. It was accompanied by useful maps and many >> photos. >> The camps were distributed all the way across Russia to Vladivostok and >> even >> into Afghanistan at Kabul-----I am still trying to figure that one out. >> Unfortunately there was no catalogue to go with this exhibit. Their >> permanent exhibits tracks Austrian Hungarian history through its military >> artifacts. >> Another frequently overlooked Budapest sight worth consideration is a >> block >> size covered market a few blocks south of the St Elisabeth bridge on the >> Pest side. >> Gute Reise >> Dave Dreyer >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:44 AM >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Danube Cruise >> >> >>> Hello All >>> I'll be taking a Danube cruise in a couple of weeks from Budapest to >>> Vilshoven. (Passing through Bratislava, Vienna, Duernstein-Melk, >>> Linz-Gmunden, Passau). Are there any places, withing walking distance to >>> the river, that would have something to do with our ancestor's trek? >>> >>> Frank - Windsor >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Dave for the explanation of travel on the Danube .... I think your description is something of value for all researchers to understand. Thanks for taking the time to answer Frank ... and helping all of us. Susan > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:39:58 -0700 > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Danube Cruise > From: [email protected] > > Frank, > It sounds like a Amawaterways cruise but yours may be a different cruise > line. > Several years ago my wife manuvered me onto this trip, except it was the > reverse-----Vilshoven to Budapest. > If you examine the details of the Banaters travel and considering the > relatively short duration taken from Ulm or Regensburg to the > Banat(Pantschowa or Neusatz) it is apparent that the barges did not dawdle > along the way. We do not know if the barges pulled into shore for an > overnight. or if they continued underway at night. At the time of migration > to the Banat the travel on the Danube was not especially easy. The channel > was blocked in places by rocks which had to be maneuvered around, sand bars, > false channels and other obstructions, all making travel after dark chancy. > As a result I doubt if there was time for any casual excursions. > In my view there are two stops which would reflect on the immigrant > experience. > The first is the Great Abbey of Melk. The abbey sits on a high bluff > overlooking the river and must have been an impressive sight at the time for > the travelers on the river. Your boat will stop in Melk. They will offer a > bus ride up to the abbey and a tour of the abbey. Take it. The library is > particularly impressive. At the end of the tour dump the group and walk > back down from the abbey on the footpaths and through the picturesque > village of Melk to the boat. > Secondly, the boat will tie up north of Vienna-----out in the sticks. It is > about half a mile walk to get to the nearest Vienna streetcar line. > My wife says take the tour into town but dump the tour at the first stop > which should be Schwedenplatz. This is close to the Danube canal and on the > edge of the core of the Altstadt as well as on the ring streetcar line. > >From here you can walk up into the Altstadt to many of the tourist sights. > As you know, the Banater boats stopped a day in Vienna to register the > migrants and pay them for a portion of their travel expenses. I do not know > exactly where this registration site was but with a bit of research one > should be able to determine its location and likely is within walking > distance of Schwedenplatz.. Of course now it would be entirely altered with > modern buildings. Perhaps there is someone on the DS list who can point you > to the location of the registration place. > In Passau, Linz and Bratislava(Pressburg) the boat will tie up within easy > walking distance of the core of the town. If you do your homework it is not > necessary to take a tour but you can explore on foot and see sights which > interest you and have identified in advance. > Some comments on Budapest. > If you are interested in military matters and have the time you might > consider spending some hours in the military museum. It is located on the > northwest corner of Castle hill on the Buda side. Almost all places in > Budapest will take Euro but for admittance to the museum you will need > Florins. Last time I was there I didn't have any Florins but slid by > passing as a senior-----if I didn't qualify I am not sure what it would > take. In any event, last time I was there was a special exhibit on Russian > World War I POW camps. It was accompanied by useful maps and many photos. > The camps were distributed all the way across Russia to Vladivostok and even > into Afghanistan at Kabul-----I am still trying to figure that one out. > Unfortunately there was no catalogue to go with this exhibit. Their > permanent exhibits tracks Austrian Hungarian history through its military > artifacts. > Another frequently overlooked Budapest sight worth consideration is a block > size covered market a few blocks south of the St Elisabeth bridge on the > Pest side. > Gute Reise > Dave Dreyer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:44 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Danube Cruise > > > > Hello All > > I'll be taking a Danube cruise in a couple of weeks from Budapest to > > Vilshoven. (Passing through Bratislava, Vienna, Duernstein-Melk, > > Linz-Gmunden, Passau). Are there any places, withing walking distance to > > the river, that would have something to do with our ancestor's trek? > > > > Frank - Windsor > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Danke Dave. Yes. It is the Amawaterways. Thank you for the advice. How about the Banaters that did not take the river, and took the land route. Would they have followed the river or taken another path. Frank - Windsor On 7/11/2014 11:39 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Frank, > It sounds like a Amawaterways cruise but yours may be a different cruise > line. > Several years ago my wife manuvered me onto this trip, except it was the > reverse-----Vilshoven to Budapest. > If you examine the details of the Banaters travel and considering the > relatively short duration taken from Ulm or Regensburg to the > Banat(Pantschowa or Neusatz) it is apparent that the barges did not dawdle > along the way. We do not know if the barges pulled into shore for an > overnight. or if they continued underway at night. At the time of migration > to the Banat the travel on the Danube was not especially easy. The channel > was blocked in places by rocks which had to be maneuvered around, sand bars, > false channels and other obstructions, all making travel after dark chancy. > As a result I doubt if there was time for any casual excursions. > In my view there are two stops which would reflect on the immigrant > experience. > The first is the Great Abbey of Melk. The abbey sits on a high bluff > overlooking the river and must have been an impressive sight at the time for > the travelers on the river. Your boat will stop in Melk. They will offer a > bus ride up to the abbey and a tour of the abbey. Take it. The library is > particularly impressive. At the end of the tour dump the group and walk > back down from the abbey on the footpaths and through the picturesque > village of Melk to the boat. > Secondly, the boat will tie up north of Vienna-----out in the sticks. It is > about half a mile walk to get to the nearest Vienna streetcar line. > My wife says take the tour into town but dump the tour at the first stop > which should be Schwedenplatz. This is close to the Danube canal and on the > edge of the core of the Altstadt as well as on the ring streetcar line. > >From here you can walk up into the Altstadt to many of the tourist sights. > As you know, the Banater boats stopped a day in Vienna to register the > migrants and pay them for a portion of their travel expenses. I do not know > exactly where this registration site was but with a bit of research one > should be able to determine its location and likely is within walking > distance of Schwedenplatz.. Of course now it would be entirely altered with > modern buildings. Perhaps there is someone on the DS list who can point you > to the location of the registration place. > In Passau, Linz and Bratislava(Pressburg) the boat will tie up within easy > walking distance of the core of the town. If you do your homework it is not > necessary to take a tour but you can explore on foot and see sights which > interest you and have identified in advance. > Some comments on Budapest. > If you are interested in military matters and have the time you might > consider spending some hours in the military museum. It is located on the > northwest corner of Castle hill on the Buda side. Almost all places in > Budapest will take Euro but for admittance to the museum you will need > Florins. Last time I was there I didn't have any Florins but slid by > passing as a senior-----if I didn't qualify I am not sure what it would > take. In any event, last time I was there was a special exhibit on Russian > World War I POW camps. It was accompanied by useful maps and many photos. > The camps were distributed all the way across Russia to Vladivostok and even > into Afghanistan at Kabul-----I am still trying to figure that one out. > Unfortunately there was no catalogue to go with this exhibit. Their > permanent exhibits tracks Austrian Hungarian history through its military > artifacts. > Another frequently overlooked Budapest sight worth consideration is a block > size covered market a few blocks south of the St Elisabeth bridge on the > Pest side. > Gute Reise > Dave Dreyer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:44 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Danube Cruise > > >> Hello All >> I'll be taking a Danube cruise in a couple of weeks from Budapest to >> Vilshoven. (Passing through Bratislava, Vienna, Duernstein-Melk, >> Linz-Gmunden, Passau). Are there any places, withing walking distance to >> the river, that would have something to do with our ancestor's trek? >> >> Frank - Windsor >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Frank, It sounds like a Amawaterways cruise but yours may be a different cruise line. Several years ago my wife manuvered me onto this trip, except it was the reverse-----Vilshoven to Budapest. If you examine the details of the Banaters travel and considering the relatively short duration taken from Ulm or Regensburg to the Banat(Pantschowa or Neusatz) it is apparent that the barges did not dawdle along the way. We do not know if the barges pulled into shore for an overnight. or if they continued underway at night. At the time of migration to the Banat the travel on the Danube was not especially easy. The channel was blocked in places by rocks which had to be maneuvered around, sand bars, false channels and other obstructions, all making travel after dark chancy. As a result I doubt if there was time for any casual excursions. In my view there are two stops which would reflect on the immigrant experience. The first is the Great Abbey of Melk. The abbey sits on a high bluff overlooking the river and must have been an impressive sight at the time for the travelers on the river. Your boat will stop in Melk. They will offer a bus ride up to the abbey and a tour of the abbey. Take it. The library is particularly impressive. At the end of the tour dump the group and walk back down from the abbey on the footpaths and through the picturesque village of Melk to the boat. Secondly, the boat will tie up north of Vienna-----out in the sticks. It is about half a mile walk to get to the nearest Vienna streetcar line. My wife says take the tour into town but dump the tour at the first stop which should be Schwedenplatz. This is close to the Danube canal and on the edge of the core of the Altstadt as well as on the ring streetcar line. >From here you can walk up into the Altstadt to many of the tourist sights. As you know, the Banater boats stopped a day in Vienna to register the migrants and pay them for a portion of their travel expenses. I do not know exactly where this registration site was but with a bit of research one should be able to determine its location and likely is within walking distance of Schwedenplatz.. Of course now it would be entirely altered with modern buildings. Perhaps there is someone on the DS list who can point you to the location of the registration place. In Passau, Linz and Bratislava(Pressburg) the boat will tie up within easy walking distance of the core of the town. If you do your homework it is not necessary to take a tour but you can explore on foot and see sights which interest you and have identified in advance. Some comments on Budapest. If you are interested in military matters and have the time you might consider spending some hours in the military museum. It is located on the northwest corner of Castle hill on the Buda side. Almost all places in Budapest will take Euro but for admittance to the museum you will need Florins. Last time I was there I didn't have any Florins but slid by passing as a senior-----if I didn't qualify I am not sure what it would take. In any event, last time I was there was a special exhibit on Russian World War I POW camps. It was accompanied by useful maps and many photos. The camps were distributed all the way across Russia to Vladivostok and even into Afghanistan at Kabul-----I am still trying to figure that one out. Unfortunately there was no catalogue to go with this exhibit. Their permanent exhibits tracks Austrian Hungarian history through its military artifacts. Another frequently overlooked Budapest sight worth consideration is a block size covered market a few blocks south of the St Elisabeth bridge on the Pest side. Gute Reise Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:44 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Danube Cruise > Hello All > I'll be taking a Danube cruise in a couple of weeks from Budapest to > Vilshoven. (Passing through Bratislava, Vienna, Duernstein-Melk, > Linz-Gmunden, Passau). Are there any places, withing walking distance to > the river, that would have something to do with our ancestor's trek? > > Frank - Windsor > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

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Hello All I'll be taking a Danube cruise in a couple of weeks from Budapest to Vilshoven. (Passing through Bratislava, Vienna, Duernstein-Melk, Linz-Gmunden, Passau). Are there any places, withing walking distance to the river, that would have something to do with our ancestor's trek? Frank - Windsor

Betty Ann, The Lovrin FB only goes up to 1840. There is a new edition currently being worked on by Eva Labling. What is the time frame you are seeking for Adam Hubert? I do not own a copy, but someone else may be able to help you. Robert Evensen -----Original Message----- From: Betty Ann Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 9:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BANAT-L] Lovrin Would anyone have a family book on Lovrin? Would you look up the surname of Hubert? I am looking for an Adam Hubert there. Thank you, Betty Ann. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would anyone have a family book on Lovrin? Would you look up the surname of Hubert? I am looking for an Adam Hubert there. Thank you, Betty Ann.

Hello, Would anyone know how to find the Modosch church books? I am looking for Elizabeth Keller, born in 1888. Thanks.

Hello List: I am seeking your travel advice! I suddenly find myself traveling to Serbia shortly, and am able to spend one day up near the Romanian border, near Kikinda. I have a Belgrade youth willing to bring me there at my request. My problem is that I've been out of my genealogy research for so long, that this sudden trip has caught me off guard, and I'm not sure where to tell him to take me. Any advice? Here is what I remember: Great Grandfather, Chrisof BUERGER is from Nagy Tozeg/Heufeld (out of Matias BUERGER and Magdalena NOEL) Great Grandmother, Magdelene KLINGER is from Ujvar/Neuberg an der Bega, (d. of Jacob KLINGER and Ana ZAHRINGER) Magdalena was born in house 28, which is where her grandfather also passed. Is it an easy trip to visit both towns (one in Serbia and one in Romania?) How can I find where house 28 was in Neuberg an der Bega, so I can try and see it today? Where are the german cemeteries for these cities? Will I be able to recognize names? (I remember they are not cared for). These are small towns, what would you recommend? Gwen Olsen in Oregon, USA

Hallo, mit der Suche nach TOBA in Google-Maps findet man im serbischen Banat bei Kikinda ein ungarisches Dorf dieses Namens, gegründet 1789 von Graf Zichy. Die Kirchengemeinde bestand seit 1864, Matrikel ab 1846. Dazu gehörte auch Molidorf (= Molin), wo die Deutschen lebten. Heute gehört der Ort zu *Nova Crnja (Neuzerne),* Viele Grüsse Guenter (Junkers) ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 22:22:04 +0200 From: "Anna Lorenz" <[email protected]> Subject: [BANAT-L] Kis Toba WEILAND/ HASTENTEUFEL To: [email protected] Does anybody know where I can find Kis Toba? And to which parish it belonged? I am looking for Janos/ Johann WEILAND (VAILAND) born perhaps 18 January 1803 in Kis Toba (he died 7 Dec 1838 in Kikinda) and his wife Elisabetha HASSENTEUFEL / HASTENTEUFEL/ HASZENTEIFEL born about 1805, they married 2 Feb 1824 in Kikinda, the marriage record shows him born in Wiseschdia, but there is no Johann Weiland in the family book. So I need to know if Kis Toba is near Wiseschdia but cannot find this village. I know there are a lot of Hassenteufel/Hastenteufel in Gottlob, but I can't find Elisabeth born around 1805 there. Regards Anni

Does anybody know where I can find Kis Toba? And to which parish it belonged? I am looking for Janos/ Johann WEILAND (VAILAND) born perhaps 18 January 1803 in Kis Toba (he died 7 Dec 1838 in Kikinda) and his wife Elisabetha HASSENTEUFEL / HASTENTEUFEL/ HASZENTEIFEL born about 1805, they married 2 Feb 1824 in Kikinda, the marriage record shows him born in Wiseschdia, but there is no Johann Weiland in the family book. So I need to know if Kis Toba is near Wiseschdia but cannot find this village. I know there are a lot of Hassenteufel/Hastenteufel in Gottlob, but I can't find Elisabeth born around 1805 there. Regards Anni