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    1. Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11
    2. Glenn & Celeste Schwartz

    3. I don't know for fact, but I would suggest that Susan Clarkson would have named her sources in her book. This should tell you where to look. Glenn Schwartz ----- Original Message ----- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:19:18 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 Thank you Guenter! I have already located Malberg in modern Germany and learned much about online - one day I plan to visit.  I have also been in contact with the parish priest at Kyllburg parish who has tried to locate my family in the archives in Trier, but their records only go back to 1744.   >From the Johannisfeld book by Susan Clarkson, I know Peter was my 3x great grandfather.  Peter also appears in the Hatzfeld family book (Henz) on pg 756 (#11146), and the childeren's names agree.  Peter married Elisabeth Blum in Hatzfeld, and sometime later went to Johannisfeld. On the same page is listed Johann (#11145) and above him is Barbara (#11144).  When I first got started in genealogy two years ago, I found them linked in the Johannisfeld family tree record created by Susan Clarkson in Ancestry.com.  However, the Hatzfeld book does not prove this, so I am looking for evidence that matches Dr. Clarkson's Ancestry record ( I am sure she would have had that, but my timing was unfortunate).  I understand that original registration documents in Vienna may show names, ages, place or origin, and perhaps names of family members travelling ith Johann, and I hope to find positive proof from that.  Unfortunately, Susan Clarkson died 3 months before I became interested in genealogy, so I missed my opportunity to ask her for her directly.  Also, her Johannisfeld Famliebuch is out of print, but I was lucky to contact her daughter who saved the book (ms-word format) and sent to me on a CD-ROM! So, that is all the evidence I have.  I attached my page from the Hatzfeld book and my file which I pulled out Schwiegerath information from the Johannisfeld book.  Can you please tell me what you think. Thank you very much for your reply!William Schwiegeraht From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 9:56 AM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to     banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at     banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics:   1. Re: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration       (G?nter Junkers)   2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration       (William Schwiegeraht) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 12:16:20 +0100 From: G?nter Junkers <cgjunkers@web.de> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna     Registration Message-ID: <c45621e8-be39-c3f8-e591-f7ac7f0b70ae@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Bill, Johann Schwigerrath ist listed in Wilhelm&Kallbrunner (WK 56/58) on page 56 line 58. The original source in Vienna Hofkammerarchiv is Banater Akten Fasz. 35 rNr. 156, fol. 9 with no more information than you already have. Today Malberg is  not anymore on Luxembourg area but in Germany near Kyllburg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malberg,_Bitburg-Pr%C3%BCm There is a famly book about Kyllburg and surrouning places: http://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1137705 Maybe you find more about your family in this book/DVD. The latest version of the Kyllburg family book is available for members of WGfF only at their online library http://www.wgff-digibib.de/index.php?_n (look for Kyllburg) Albert Schwickerath, Dorfstr. 38, D-54662 Philippsheim added more data extracted from civil records  after 1798 Both books have a lot of Schwickerath families but sorry - I could not find your Johann married to Barbara. The note in Susan Clarkson book p 534 about the origin of the Schwickerath family does not say that this family settled in Johannisfeld. My question is: what is your source for the name of the wife Barbara and son Peter? Regards Guenter Junkers Arbeitskreis donauschwaebischer Familienforscher Sindelfingen http://akdff.de Am 14.01.2017 um 03:49 schrieb banat-request@rootsweb.com: > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht<bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To:"banat@rootsweb.com"  <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.  He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time.  The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna.  I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there.  Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien  registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:53:24 +0000 (UTC) From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna     Registration Message-ID: <832648894.3209357.1484405604937@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks Glenn & Dave for the help. ?I appreciate it! Bill Schwiegeraht       From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:49 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10   Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (Glenn Schwartz) ? 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill ? |? |? |? |? |? ? | ? | ? | |? |? |? Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie? |? | ? | ? | ? ? ? From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 ? Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer? ? From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K 56/58) Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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    01/15/2017 09:49:46
    1. [BANAT-L] Hofkammer archives?

    3. Dave, suggestions for finding a US library or on line source for Hofkammer archives? -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:28 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 14 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Vienna Registration (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 15:28:02 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Bob Wolf <fsslcbw@hotmail.com>, "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Message-ID: <787778.60109.bm@smtp211.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bob, I am not aware of any Hof Kammer holdings online. So what about the materials of the Hofkammer archives? Dave Dreyer From: Bob Wolf Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:19 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Dave, are the Vienna Registrations available online? What about the materials of Hofkammer archives? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:50 PM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration (Glenn Schwartz) 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna. To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My > 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited > in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on > 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He > would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one > child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time. The town of origin > (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the > actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any > possible relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good > deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success > locating Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in Trier > apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below > (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie > Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill | | | | | | | | | | | Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie | | | | From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid /BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroiss es.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=vi ew&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer? ? From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K 56/58) Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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    01/15/2017 09:15:35
    1. [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration
    2. Catherine Teufel

    3. Hi Bob,If you go to this page on Family Search and scroll down, youwill see the microfilm numbers for the Vienna Registration records (BanaterAkten) that can be ordered from the LDS. Be sure to order the correct year. https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/173251?availability=Family%20History%20Library If you do not have a Family History Center in your area, youcan e-mail Family Search and ask what other places are able to order microfilm fromthe LDS.  When the LDS Family HistoryCenter in Manhattan closed, for example, I was able to order the film from theNY Genealogical Society without becoming a member.  When that closed, Family Search reps told methat I could order the film at the Jewish Genealogical Society.  I do not know if this policy has changed, butthere is no harm in asking. I hope this helps. Cathy Teufel O’Neill

    01/15/2017 09:09:08
    1. Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11
    2. William Schwiegeraht

    3. Thank you Guenter! I have already located Malberg in modern Germany and learned much about online - one day I plan to visit.  I have also been in contact with the parish priest at Kyllburg parish who has tried to locate my family in the archives in Trier, but their records only go back to 1744.   >From the Johannisfeld book by Susan Clarkson, I know Peter was my 3x great grandfather.  Peter also appears in the Hatzfeld family book (Henz) on pg 756 (#11146), and the childeren's names agree.  Peter married Elisabeth Blum in Hatzfeld, and sometime later went to Johannisfeld. On the same page is listed Johann (#11145) and above him is Barbara (#11144).  When I first got started in genealogy two years ago, I found them linked in the Johannisfeld family tree record created by Susan Clarkson in Ancestry.com.  However, the Hatzfeld book does not prove this, so I am looking for evidence that matches Dr. Clarkson's Ancestry record ( I am sure she would have had that, but my timing was unfortunate).  I understand that original registration documents in Vienna may show names, ages, place or origin, and perhaps names of family members travelling ith Johann, and I hope to find positive proof from that.  Unfortunately, Susan Clarkson died 3 months before I became interested in genealogy, so I missed my opportunity to ask her for her directly.  Also, her Johannisfeld Famliebuch is out of print, but I was lucky to contact her daughter who saved the book (ms-word format) and sent to me on a CD-ROM! So, that is all the evidence I have.  I attached my page from the Hatzfeld book and my file which I pulled out Schwiegerath information from the Johannisfeld book.  Can you please tell me what you think. Thank you very much for your reply!William Schwiegeraht From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 9:56 AM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to     banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at     banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics:   1. Re: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration       (G?nter Junkers)   2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration       (William Schwiegeraht) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 12:16:20 +0100 From: G?nter Junkers <cgjunkers@web.de> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna     Registration Message-ID: <c45621e8-be39-c3f8-e591-f7ac7f0b70ae@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Bill, Johann Schwigerrath ist listed in Wilhelm&Kallbrunner (WK 56/58) on page 56 line 58. The original source in Vienna Hofkammerarchiv is Banater Akten Fasz. 35 rNr. 156, fol. 9 with no more information than you already have. Today Malberg is  not anymore on Luxembourg area but in Germany near Kyllburg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malberg,_Bitburg-Pr%C3%BCm There is a famly book about Kyllburg and surrouning places: http://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1137705 Maybe you find more about your family in this book/DVD. The latest version of the Kyllburg family book is available for members of WGfF only at their online library http://www.wgff-digibib.de/index.php?_n (look for Kyllburg) Albert Schwickerath, Dorfstr. 38, D-54662 Philippsheim added more data extracted from civil records  after 1798 Both books have a lot of Schwickerath families but sorry - I could not find your Johann married to Barbara. The note in Susan Clarkson book p 534 about the origin of the Schwickerath family does not say that this family settled in Johannisfeld. My question is: what is your source for the name of the wife Barbara and son Peter? Regards Guenter Junkers Arbeitskreis donauschwaebischer Familienforscher Sindelfingen http://akdff.de Am 14.01.2017 um 03:49 schrieb banat-request@rootsweb.com: > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht<bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To:"banat@rootsweb.com"  <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.  He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time.  The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna.  I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there.  Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien  registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:53:24 +0000 (UTC) From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna     Registration Message-ID: <832648894.3209357.1484405604937@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks Glenn & Dave for the help. ?I appreciate it! Bill Schwiegeraht       From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:49 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10   Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (Glenn Schwartz) ? 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill ? |? |? |? |? |? ? | ? | ? | |? |? |? Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie? |? | ? | ? | ? ? ? From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 ? Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer? ? From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K 56/58) Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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    1. Re: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration

    3. Bob, I am not aware of any Hof Kammer holdings online. So what about the materials of the Hofkammer archives? Dave Dreyer From: Bob Wolf Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:19 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Dave, are the Vienna Registrations available online? What about the materials of Hofkammer archives? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:50 PM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration (Glenn Schwartz) 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna. To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My > 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited > in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on > 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He > would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one > child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time. The town of origin > (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the > actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any > possible relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good > deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success > locating Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in Trier > apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below > (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie > Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill | | | | | | | | | | | Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie | | | | From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer? ? From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K 56/58) Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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    01/14/2017 08:28:02
    1. Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration
    2. William Schwiegeraht

    3. Thanks Glenn & Dave for the help.  I appreciate it! Bill Schwiegeraht From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:49 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to     banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at     banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics:   1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration       (Glenn Schwartz)   2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna     Registration Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.  To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.  He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time.  The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna.  I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there.  Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien  registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill   |  |  |  |  |    |   |   | |  |  |  Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie  |  |   |   |       From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9   Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer? ? From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K 56/58) Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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    01/14/2017 07:53:24
    1. [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration
    2. Bob Wolf

    3. Dave, are the Vienna Registrations available online? What about the materials of Hofkammer archives? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:50 PM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration (Glenn Schwartz) 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna. To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My > 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited > in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on > 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He > would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one > child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time. The town of origin > (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the > actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any > possible relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good > deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success > locating Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in Trier > apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below > (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie > Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill | | | | | | | | | | | Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie | | | | From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer? ? From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K 56/58) Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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    01/14/2017 07:38:40
    1. Re: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration
    2. Günter Junkers

    3. Bill, Johann Schwigerrath ist listed in Wilhelm&Kallbrunner (WK 56/58) on page 56 line 58. The original source in Vienna Hofkammerarchiv is Banater Akten Fasz. 35 rNr. 156, fol. 9 with no more information than you already have. Today Malberg is not anymore on Luxembourg area but in Germany near Kyllburg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malberg,_Bitburg-Pr%C3%BCm There is a famly book about Kyllburg and surrouning places: http://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1137705 Maybe you find more about your family in this book/DVD. The latest version of the Kyllburg family book is available for members of WGfF only at their online library http://www.wgff-digibib.de/index.php?_n (look for Kyllburg) Albert Schwickerath, Dorfstr. 38, D-54662 Philippsheim added more data extracted from civil records after 1798 Both books have a lot of Schwickerath families but sorry - I could not find your Johann married to Barbara. The note in Susan Clarkson book p 534 about the origin of the Schwickerath family does not say that this family settled in Johannisfeld. My question is: what is your source for the name of the wife Barbara and son Peter? Regards Guenter Junkers Arbeitskreis donauschwaebischer Familienforscher Sindelfingen http://akdff.de Am 14.01.2017 um 03:49 schrieb banat-request@rootsweb.com: > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht<bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To:"banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time. The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht

    01/14/2017 05:16:20
    1. Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9
    2. Catherine Teufel

    3. Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill | | | | | | | | | | | Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie | | | | From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to     banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at     banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics:   1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt)   2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration       (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>,     "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg             ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo  GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter         * 03.08.1751 Perl?    + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria    * 18.02.1753 Perl?      + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna    * 05.02.1755 Perl?     + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina     * 28.12.1756 Perl?     + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara         * 24.01.1759 Perl?      + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius         * 13.02.1761 Perl?      + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael     * 29.11.1763 Perl?      + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch    8. Nikolaus         * 23.04.1767 Perl?     + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus         * 23.04.1767 Perl?     Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott       From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769   Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer    From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna     Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.  To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.  He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.  The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.  I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.  Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien  registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K 56/58) Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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    01/13/2017 07:47:01
    1. Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration
    2. Glenn Schwartz

    3. Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Schönherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Schüssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna. To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschwäbischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time. The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/13/2017 08:08:20
    1. Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration

    3. Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna. To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschwäbischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time. The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K 56/58) Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/13/2017 04:19:01
    1. Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769
    2. Ragnar Schmidt

    3. Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perlé: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maimühle, Pillinger Hof, sowie für das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perlé is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHRÖDER-GAULS: Perlé – KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHRÖDER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg † 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter * 03.08.1751 Perlé + 11.04.1752 Perlé 2. Katharina Maria * 18.02.1753 Perlé + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna * 05.02.1755 Perlé + 05.07.1759 Perlé 4. Anna Katharina * 28.12.1756 Perlé + 07.10.1758 Perlé 5. Barbara * 24.01.1759 Perlé + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. Ägydius * 13.02.1761 Perlé + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael * 29.11.1763 Perlé + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch 8. Nikolaus * 23.04.1767 Perlé + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus * 23.04.1767 Perlé Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l’emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme siècle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, “Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)”, an extensive voume of “de Familjefuerscher”, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d’Heroldique”, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer’s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je possède le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder apparaît dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les détails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'émigrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis à la recherche d’une liste d’émigrants provenant de la région frontalière belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perlé, Martelange, Tintange…) arrivant à Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d’en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m’orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique

    01/12/2017 02:57:54
    1. Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769
    2. Scott Aaron

    3. It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l’emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme siècle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, “Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)”, an extensive voume of “de Familjefuerscher”, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d’Heroldique”, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer’s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer    From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je possède le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder apparaît dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les détails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'émigrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis à la recherche d’une liste d’émigrants provenant de la région frontalière belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perlé, Martelange, Tintange…) arrivant à Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d’en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m’orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/12/2017 09:52:53
    1. [BANAT-L] Post from John Gruber
    2. Banat List Admin

    3. Hello all, You’ve all seen a number of :empty” post attempts from John Gruber. After advising him on how to get his email to be accepted and posted, it still failed. So, below is the ext of his post. Please reply to the List as usual. BTW, John’s email is john.gruber_at_sympatico.ca (replace the “_at_" with an ”@“ to activate his email address). ====John’s message==== I'm checking with the Banat and DVHH lists to see if anyone has FBs or church records with Gruber's in them, most likely from the Banat. Specifically, I'm looking for the following 4 events: 1 birth (baptism) and 3 marriages, which have so far been brick walls for me. 1 birth of my GGF Michael Gruber, b. abt. 1825 , possibly in Pardan, but not found in the Pardan FB or church index. 2 Marriage of my GGF Michael Gruber (in 1. above) to my GGM Anna Wagner b. 1841 in Pardan. The marriage was likely in the late 1860s, and expected to be in the Pardan FB or church index, but was not found there. The site (clandata_sytes_dot_net) mentions the marriage but with no date or location info. 3 Marriage of my GF Anton Gruber b. 1881 in Georgshausen to my GM Eva Heinrich b. 1881 in Setschanfeld. Anton is the last kid of Michael and Anna (in 2. above). The marriage was likely in about 1905, and expected to be in the Zichydorf or Gross Gaj FBs, but was not found there. 4 Marriage of Michael Gruber (Jr) b. 1875 in Pardan to Margaretha Schmidt b. 1877 in Setschan. Michael (Jr) and Anton (in 3. above) were brothers, and sons of Michael and Anna (in 2. above). The marriage was likely in about the late 1890s or early 1900s, and expected to also be in the Zichydorf or Gross Gaj FBs, but was not found there. The Setchan FB says that Margaretha married someone (oo?), but it doesn't say who, when or where. The Lenauheim FB refers to a marriage of a Michael Gruber to a Margaretha Gruber, but with no date or location info. The site also mentions the marriage but with no date or location info. To avoid duplicated effort, below I include all I know about these events to date. ______________________________________________________ 1 birth of my GGF Michael Gruber, who died in Georgshausen in 1901 at age 76, so I assume he was born abt. 1825. His birth location is unknown, but a Pardan FB entry for 1 of his infant death kids says he was from Ittebe Ratz, a filial of nearby Pardan. Michael's birth isn't in the Pardan FB nor in the church index (the actual church records are apparently lost). Local family history says that Michael originated from Alsace Province (then in western Germany) but I expect he was too young for the migrations that took place from there to Hungary in about the mid to late 1700s; maybe they meant his ancestors came from Alsace? It's hard to tell since I don't know of any of Michael's ancestors or sibs. A FB or church records that showed a Gruber family with Michael as a kid, would be a breakthru for me. 2 Marriage of my GGF Michael Gruber (in 1. above) to my GGM Anna Wagner b. 1841 in Pardan (as in the Pardan church index). They most likely married in the late 1860s in Pardan since most of their 5 or 6 kids' births are listed after that in the Pardan church index. Their marriage isn't in the Pardan FB nor in the church index. (Michael and Anna later moved to Georgshausen where my GF Anton Gruber was born in 1881, and where they died in 1901 and 1902.) 3 Marriage of my GF Anton Gruber b. 1881 in Georgshausen (as in the Zichydorf baptism records), to my GM Eva Heinrich b. 1881 in Setschanfeld (as in the Gross Gaj baptism records). Anton is the last kid of Michael Gruber and Anna Wagner (in 2. above). I expect Anton and Eva married in about 1905, before they immigrated to Canada in 1906, with no kids; their passenger record says they were married. Logically, the marriage should be in the Zichydorf or Gross Gaj FBs or church records but it wasn't found there. It's also not found in the Sartscha, Setschan, Klek, Lazarfeld, Gross Scham and Werschetz records, nor in many other online FBs. I have a pic of Anton and Eva taken in what looks like a then Versecz studio, I expect in about 1905 at the time they married. So, I recently asked Bene Jozsef from there to check the Werschetz parish records, but he didn't find the marriage. I speculate that since the Anton/Eva marriage isn't in the most obvious church records, they may have had a civil marriage – possible reason being that, as in her Gross Gaj baptism record, Eva is shown as illegitimate; so maybe the church wouldn't marry her? Banat researcher Stasa Cvetkovik has looked in some places for civil marriages but didn't find it. 4 Marriage of Michael Gruber (Jr) b. 1875 (as in the Pardan church index), to Margaretha Schmidt b. 1877 (as in the Setschan FB). Michael (Jr) and Anton (in 3. above) were brothers, and sons of Michael Gruber and Anna Wagner (in 2. above). I expect Michael and Margaretha married in about the late 1890s or early 1900s, before they immigrated to Canada in 1903, with no kids; their passenger record says they were married. The Setchan FB says that Margaretha married someone (oo?), tho it doesn't say who, when or where, but likely in 1897 or earlier, in I expect Setschan, since it also says she had an infant death girl Anna (b. 1898, d. 1899) in Setschan. oo? in the Setchan FB seems to indicate a questionable marriage, maybe because Anna was illegitimate? In the case of illegitimacy, I'm told the father's name wasn't recorded by the church, even if they knew who he was. So, the father could be Michael Gruber (Jr), but I don't know that. The online Lenauheim FB refers to a marriage of a Michael Gruber to a Margaretha Gruber, but with no date or location info., tho the implied location is Lenauheim. It also refers to other Gruber's, relevant ones being Michael's parents and 2 of his sibs in the Zichydorf FB, that I already knew about. Another site also mentions the marriages of Michael and Margaretha Gruber, as well as Michael's parents Michael Gruber and Anna Wagner. But again, there are no dates or locations, or sources of the info. Finally, I note that for some reason Michael and Margaretha married again in 1909 in Canada. Why? Some have suggested that they may have needed proof of marriage for something but lost their papers, so had to marry again. Or, maybe they really weren't married in the Banat, at least not 'legitimately' in the church, or they had a civil marriage (because of a possibly illegitimate daughter Anna in Setschan?) ===end=== With kind regards, David Preston Banat List Administrator === http://www.banatbooks.com http://www.danube-swabians.org http://www.village-records.org http://www.molidorf.com

    01/12/2017 07:44:54
    1. [BANAT-L] Requesting some info. on Gruber's
    2. john.gruber john.gruber

    01/12/2017 07:38:18
    1. Re: [BANAT-L] [DVHH] Requesting some info. on Gruber's
    2. Eloine Bolton

    3. Hi John! My 4th Great Grandmother is Anna Gruber. She was born in Glogowatz 23 July 1782. She was married to my 4th Great Grandfather, Anton Lowitz. Anna's father was Nikolaus Gruber, born about 1739 in Glogowatz. He was married to my 5th Great Grandmother, M. Magdalena Freer Have not done a lot of research on that line so I am interested in what you may have. Eloine Bolton On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:26 PM, john.gruber john.gruber via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    01/12/2017 07:37:09
    1. [BANAT-L] Requesting some info. on Gruber's
    2. john.gruber john.gruber

    01/12/2017 07:26:12
    1. [BANAT-L] Requesting some info. on Gruber's
    2. john.gruber john.gruber

    01/12/2017 05:09:46
    1. [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration
    2. William Schwiegeraht

    3. Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschwäbischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.  He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.  The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.  I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.  Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien  registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg.  Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K 56/58) Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht

    01/12/2017 04:00:38
    1. Re: [BANAT-L] Gruber's?
    2. Stefan Sabolowitsch

    3. Hello John maybe it helps you. My father from Jabuka (near Pancevo), had a school friend named "Franz Gruber". My mother still has contact with his son here in Germany. best regards from Germany Stefan Sabolowitsch Am 11.01.17 um 19:12 schrieb john.gruber john.gruber: > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    01/12/2017 02:55:07