Hallo Liane, Auch von uns allen hier our herzlichsten Beileid an die Schuy Familie. Herr Schuy war oft sehr hilfsbereit in allen Dingen Donauschwaben. Für seine grosse Mitarbeit sind wir von Herzen dankbar und werden ihn sehr vermissen. Rosina T. Schmidt Canada www.hrastovac.net > On 01232017AD--, at 1:14 09000AM, L.Falzboden <l.falzboden@t-online.de> wrote: > > von der HOG Apatin habe ich gestern erfahren, das Herr Schuy vor zwei Tagen > verstorben ist. > > Die HOG Apatin wird versuchen seine Sohn Herr Peter Schuy telefonisch zu > erreichen, > > um Ihm im Namen der Apatiner unser Beileid auszusprechen und in Erfahrung zu > bringen wann die Beerdigung/Bestattung sein wird. > > ======================= > > Für mich war er ein Forschungskollege der viel für die Donauschwäbische > Herkunftsforschung beigetragen hat, und für mich immer ein offenes Ohr > hatte. > > Den Hinterbliebenen mein aufrichtiges Beileid. > > mfg > > Liane Falzboden > > _______________________________________________ > Akdff-l mailing list > Akdff-l@genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/akdff-l

Bob, Somewhere on the internet there must be a copy of the German-French linguistic boundary in this area. Of course, it is likely that there is considerable mixture on each side. I agree Stoffel sounds like a German name but Reinhard, in his Triebswetter family books gives a large number of French sounding name equivalents to Stoffel, including Stouflet, Stouffler, stufflet etc. I expect that they came with a French background they were soon entered in the records with a German equivalent but a lot depended on the background of the clerk. Reinhard gives the spitzname of the family in this case “Schmiedschago”. Is that a clue for German? Dave Dreyer From: bobwolf@prodigy.net Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:40 PM To: banat@rootsweb.com Cc: choltzclaw@comcast.net Subject: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Thank you to Dave, Bastian, Rudolf and Stacy for getting me on the right track. With your input and information, I have a plan of action and that is starting with a FHL. As it turns out there is one close to me and I plan to visit and try to access the Stader book and/or Banater Akten list. What I am hoping to estavblish is the date and any related information on my paternal grandfather and grandmother four times removed. I know they were born in Alberthausen, Hessen, Germany in 1768 and 1770 respectively and had son in 1789 in Triebswetter, Timis, Rumänien. Their names were Johann Michael Wolf, Maria Ursula Wolf (born Schneider) and son, Josef Adam Wolf. On my maternal side I have the same question. My maternal grandfather, Nikolaus Stoffel four times removed was born in Mamer, Luxemburg in 1766 and died in Sackelhausen, Banat on Mar 28 1789. His wife, Susanna Stoffel (born Moll) was born in Ulmbach, Banat, Rumänien (Peciu Nou) in 1762. So Nikolaus was not married when he emigrated to the Banat and may not have come through Vienna. A related question is ethnic in that Mamer, Luxemburg was a mix of French and Germans, how can you determine which ethnic group Nikolas Stoffel belonged to? Stoffel is a German name so we have always made that assumption but know nothing else about him. Again, many thanks for your genealogical research. Bob -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 6:35 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 23 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Vienna Registration (Stacy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:04:13 -0800 From: Stacy <stacyrenee4@yahoo.com> To: Bastian Jones <bastian.dornbach@outlook.de> Cc: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, Bob Wolf <fsslcbw@hotmail.com>, "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Message-ID: <A83055F1-BA9D-4386-97DB-EDAB959A5409@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Family History Library may even have the books, too. My local one does. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2017, at 5:31 AM, Bastian Jones <bastian.dornbach@outlook.de> wrote: > > Hello Bob, > > > if you are talking about the "Banater Akten" you can order them on micro fiche from the Mormons. I did that to check for certain names. It worked quite well, of course you need the number (e.g. BanA Fasz 35 rNr 156, fol 155b-156, 784b-785). > > > Best regards, > > Bastian > > > > ________________________________ > Von: BANAT <banat-bounces+bastian.dornbach=outlook.de@rootsweb.com> im > Auftrag von ddreyer@pacbell.net <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2017 02:40 > An: Bob Wolf; Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > Bob, > In Vienna, > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: Bob Wolf > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:33 PM > To: ddreyer@pacbell.net > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > But where can I find them? > Bob > > From: ddreyer@pacbell.net [mailto:ddreyer@pacbell.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:28 PM > To: Bob Wolf <fsslcbw@hotmail.com>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > Bob, > I am not aware of any Hof Kammer holdings online. So what about the materials of the Hofkammer archives? > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: Bob Wolf > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:19 AM > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > Dave, are the Vienna Registrations available online? What about the materials of Hofkammer archives? > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:50 PM > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 > > Send BANAT mailing list submissions to > banat@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > banat-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > banat-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > (Glenn Schwartz) > 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 > From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> > To: <banat@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. > > Glenn Schwartz > > President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) > Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. > Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca > >> On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: >> Bill, >> W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna. To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. >> Dave Dreyer >> >> >> >> From: David Preston >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM >> To: Banat List >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna >> Registration >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> >> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration >> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> >> >> >> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk >> donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My >> 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited >> in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on >> 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He >> would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least >> one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time. The town of >> origin (Malberg, in Bitburg >> County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the >> actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any >> possible relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good >> deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had >> success locating Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in >> Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source >> below >> (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? >> Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie >> Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann >> Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) >> >> The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. >> Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: >> W/K >> 56/58) >> >> >> Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) > From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 > Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Richard, > If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: > Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . > > Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. > Enjoy! > Cathy Teufel O'Neill > > > | > | > | > | | | > > | > > | > | > | | > Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum > Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie | | > > | > > | > > > > From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 > > Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? > banat-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at ??? > banat-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: > Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? > (ddreyer@pacbell.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 > From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> > To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? > "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi. > > Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: > > Belgium church book records can be found here: > http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index > /eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE > > Lux church book records can be found here: > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilte > r=true > > An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: > http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-p > aroisses.html > > Lux place names in all 3 languages: > http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&t > ask=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften > > > > Regarding Perl vs Perl?: > 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. > (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl > vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger > Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in > Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") > > 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. > > > > Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: > Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 > > SCHR?DER Michael > * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? > GAULS Maria > * um.1703 > > 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? > 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? > 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? > 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? > 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? > > > Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. > If somebody knows more - let me know. > > Best, ragnar > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: BANAT > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 > An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; > Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > > It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). > > In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. > > Scott > > ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" > <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? > Diana, Richard, > Au contraire, > there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. > 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. > 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. > Dave Dreyer? ? > > > > > From: Diana Lambing > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM > To: David Preston; Banat List > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > > Cher Richard, > > Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. > Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? > > Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. > > Cordialement, > > Diana Lambing > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Preston > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > > Madame, Monsieur, > > > Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. > > Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? > > Avec tous mes remerciements, > > > > Richard Jusseret > Rue de Launet, 1 > 6870 Hatrival > Belgique > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 > From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? > Registration > Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My > 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited > in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on > 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He > would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one > child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin > (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie > Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. 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The International German Genealogy Partnership (IGGP), formerly the German-American Genealogical Partnership, is proud to announce its inaugural conference to be held in Minneapolis, MN. The Germanic Genealogy Society is the local host. 2017 International Germanic Genealogy Conference 28-30 July 2017 in Minneapolis, MN Connections: International. Cultural. Personal. View the registration brochure: http://ggsmn.org/upload/files/flyers/ConfBrochure12pgFinal.pdf Registration will begin February 1st, 2017! Several lectures about Eastern Europe Germans: Donauschwabens — Who Were They? Toni Perrone Explanation of the German Danube Swabians, their migration to Hungary, and an overview of Banat history. Details of their lives in Yugoslavia and Romania, the expulsion and genocide of 1944-1948, and relocation to the U.S. Online Resources for German Research in Formerly Eastern Areas Baerbel K. Johnson Digital record collections for Poland and the former Austrian Empire are introduced. The primary focus is on church records, but indexes, resources and reference tools are also discussed. Pioneers and Colonists: Background of Germans in Eastern Europe James Beidler For centuries, German-speaking enclaves existed in Eastern Europe. This presentation introduces and gives historical background about these “Germans outside Germany.” Regards Guenter (Junkers) www.iggpartner.org Hashtag: #IGGC17 Facebook: IGGPartnership

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A complete database of this book is now available on GenTeam. At this point, I would like to express my warmest gratitude to Mag. Leibl Rosenberg. 2 New: Jewish Community Vienna: Divorces 1870-1942 A database of all divorces of the Jewish Community Vienna between 1870 and 1942 could be added to GenTeam now. I would like to thank Traude Triebel. 3 New: Military Casualty Lists Austrian-Hungary World War 1 In the Casualty Lists you will find the wounded, prisoners of war, and the fallen from all member countries of the Habsburg Monarchy. In total, there will be approximately 3 to 3,5 million entries. 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Approximately additional 280 lists are in progress. At this point, I would like to thank Heinz Adamec, Kurt Ahne, Rudolf Gugerbauer, Leopold Gugerel Robert Kaiser, Harald Lohauß, Martin Loidolt, Leo Mittringer, Anton Müllner, Sabine Pichler, Gerald Pribas, Wolfgang Schwarz, Henriette Steiner as well as Frank Raschka, as well as all who already work on additional lists which will soon go online. I invite you cordially to participate in this fascinating project. We gladly send you a compilation and organize the number of your list. Please, contact the project manager, Frank Raschka (many thanks, Frank!) at verlustliste@gmail.com or kontakt@GenTeam.at. 4 Vienna – Baptism Index between 1585 and 1915 Entries from the parishes 02 Sankt Johann Nepomuk, 03 Landstraße, 04 Wieden (Paulaner), 05 Sankt Josef Margareten, 07 Sankt Ulrich, 08 Alservorstadt Pfarre, 09 Lichtental, 10 Sankt Johann Evangelist were added (i.e 02 = disctrict 2). You will find a table listing all parishes with updated time frames under Hilfestufe/Help. At this point, I would like to thank Gabi Koller, Elisabeth Kultscher, Lisi Maxa, Angelika Panser, Marco Puhr, Gerda Smodej, Judith Starke and Wolfgang Strnad as well as all who already work on various indices with will soon go online. I would like to invite to participate on this Index. Simply contact me at kontact@GenTeam.at. 5 Vienna: Index of Catholic deaths Since the list of deaths in the Vienna Newspaper contains vast gaps (even with consideration of Viennese historic borders, as well as the interesting fact that on average approximately 40% entries of deceased children 1-year and under are missing); therefore, we at GenTeam have begun an index of Catholic burials. ne entries were added today of the parish of 01 Schotten. You will find a table listing all parishes with updated time frames under Hilfestufe/Help. I would like to thank Monika Fischer. 6 Index of Dominion records of Lower Austria We added indices of the dominions Brunn am Walde and Drosendorf. I would like to thank Dr. Günter Oppitz and Christine Sinhuber. 7 Georg Gaugusch: “Wer einmal war” (“Those who once were”), Part II : L-R Vienna´s Upper Class Jewish Society 1800-1938, part 2, was published in November 2016. Now we put the index of part 2 online. 1. part A-K, Amalthea, ISBN 978-3-85002-750-2 2. part L-R, Amalthea, ISBN 978-3-85002-773-1 8 Register Indices from Lower and Upper Austria, Burgenland, Styria, Tyrol, Bohemia and kuk Silesia Registers of the following Roman Catholic parishes were added: Lower Austria: Aschbach, Drosendorf, Gösing, Hagenberg, Mönichkirchen, Wilhelmsburg Upper Austria: Sigharting Burgenland: Stoob Tyrol: Steinach am Brenner Styria: Bad Aussee Austrian Silesia: Liebenthal/Liptan You will find a complete listing of parishes with updated time frames under Hilfestufe/Help. At this point, I would like to thank Ursula Baldemaier, Mag. Fritz Eichler, Ingrid Fleischer, Monika Hauser, Franziska Heidrich, Alois Kallinger, Elisabeth Kultscher, Dr. Günter Oppitz, Bernhard Siegl and Silvia Swoboda. If you too would like to participate, please, contact me directly at kontakt@GenTeam.at. We would be more than happy if you too would like to play a part with GenTeam by creating a database or furnishing an already completed database. However, if you only have questions, please, contact me anytime. Now I wish you much joy and success with your research with GenTeam and the new entries. Sincerely yours, Felix Gundacker Pantzergasse 30/8 A-1190 WIEN Tel. +43 676 40 11 059 email: kontakt@FelixGundacker.at www.FelixGundacker.at “connecting genealogists”

Frank, I don’t now about pins and I’ve only seen the sew-on patches available at the landsmanschaft information tables at the Heimattag in Ulm. They only cost 1-2 Euro as I recall. You might use Google to locate the home page of the “Landsmannschaft der Banater Schwaben” and see if they are available there. Now all you need is to locate one of those black vests with the silver buttons to sew it onto. Dave Dreyer From: FRANK JAKOB Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 11:53 AM To: Dave Dreyer Subject: Donauschwaben Hat Pins? David, Do you know where I can buy a Donauschwaben LOGO Hat Pin or Patch ? Frank A Jakob PO Box 249 Salvo (Cape Hatteras) NC  27972

Good morning! A woman whose son-in-law's family comes from Rekasch has been in contact with me, and I've been helping her with his family tree from the village. I was able to help her trace most of his branches from there to the early 1700s. However, his direct line, the SEIPT family, doesn't go back any further than 1813. So I'm asking if anyone has any information in regards to:  Peter SEIPT, born 1813, died 21 Feb 1856 in Rekasch. He married Katharina WEBER on 18 Nov 1834 in Rekasch.  Did he move from another town that may have further records on this family? The remaining four SEIPT households in Rekasch belong to his son and three grandsons.  Thanks in advance for your help. Craig A. Windt cawindt@yahoo.com

Bob, You may be interested in knowing that the Triebswetter Heimatbuch has been translated into English and is available through Ray Borschowa who is a member of the list... Henry Fischer -----Original Message----- From: bobwolf@prodigy.net Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 4:39 PM To: banat@rootsweb.com Cc: choltzclaw@comcast.net Subject: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Thank you to Dave, Bastian, Rudolf and Stacy for getting me on the right track. With your input and information, I have a plan of action and that is starting with a FHL. As it turns out there is one close to me and I plan to visit and try to access the Stader book and/or Banater Akten list. What I am hoping to estavblish is the date and any related information on my paternal grandfather and grandmother four times removed. I know they were born in Alberthausen, Hessen, Germany in 1768 and 1770 respectively and had son in 1789 in Triebswetter, Timis, Rumänien. Their names were Johann Michael Wolf, Maria Ursula Wolf (born Schneider) and son, Josef Adam Wolf. On my maternal side I have the same question. My maternal grandfather, Nikolaus Stoffel four times removed was born in Mamer, Luxemburg in 1766 and died in Sackelhausen, Banat on Mar 28 1789. His wife, Susanna Stoffel (born Moll) was born in Ulmbach, Banat, Rumänien (Peciu Nou) in 1762. So Nikolaus was not married when he emigrated to the Banat and may not have come through Vienna. A related question is ethnic in that Mamer, Luxemburg was a mix of French and Germans, how can you determine which ethnic group Nikolas Stoffel belonged to? Stoffel is a German name so we have always made that assumption but know nothing else about him. Again, many thanks for your genealogical research. Bob -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 6:35 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 23 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Vienna Registration (Stacy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:04:13 -0800 From: Stacy <stacyrenee4@yahoo.com> To: Bastian Jones <bastian.dornbach@outlook.de> Cc: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, Bob Wolf <fsslcbw@hotmail.com>, "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Message-ID: <A83055F1-BA9D-4386-97DB-EDAB959A5409@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Family History Library may even have the books, too. My local one does. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2017, at 5:31 AM, Bastian Jones <bastian.dornbach@outlook.de> wrote: > > Hello Bob, > > > if you are talking about the "Banater Akten" you can order them on micro fiche from the Mormons. I did that to check for certain names. It worked quite well, of course you need the number (e.g. BanA Fasz 35 rNr 156, fol 155b-156, 784b-785). > > > Best regards, > > Bastian > > > > ________________________________ > Von: BANAT <banat-bounces+bastian.dornbach=outlook.de@rootsweb.com> im > Auftrag von ddreyer@pacbell.net <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2017 02:40 > An: Bob Wolf; Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > Bob, > In Vienna, > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: Bob Wolf > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:33 PM > To: ddreyer@pacbell.net > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > But where can I find them? > Bob > > From: ddreyer@pacbell.net [mailto:ddreyer@pacbell.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:28 PM > To: Bob Wolf <fsslcbw@hotmail.com>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > Bob, > I am not aware of any Hof Kammer holdings online. So what about the materials of the Hofkammer archives? > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: Bob Wolf > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:19 AM > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > Dave, are the Vienna Registrations available online? What about the materials of Hofkammer archives? > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:50 PM > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 > > Send BANAT mailing list submissions to > banat@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > banat-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > banat-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > (Glenn Schwartz) > 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 > From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> > To: <banat@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. > > Glenn Schwartz > > President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) > Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. > Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca > >> On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: >> Bill, >> W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna. To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. >> Dave Dreyer >> >> >> >> From: David Preston >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM >> To: Banat List >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna >> Registration >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> >> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration >> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> >> >> >> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk >> donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My >> 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited >> in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on >> 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He >> would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least >> one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time. The town of >> origin (Malberg, in Bitburg >> County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the >> actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any >> possible relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good >> deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had >> success locating Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in >> Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source >> below >> (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? >> Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie >> Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann >> Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) >> >> The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. >> Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: >> W/K >> 56/58) >> >> >> Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) > From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 > Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Richard, > If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: > Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . > > Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. > Enjoy! > Cathy Teufel O'Neill > > > | > | > | > | | | > > | > > | > | > | | > Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum > Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie | | > > | > > | > > > > From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 > > Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? > banat-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at ??? > banat-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: > Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? > (ddreyer@pacbell.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 > From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> > To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? > "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi. > > Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: > > Belgium church book records can be found here: > http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index > /eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE > > Lux church book records can be found here: > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilte > r=true > > An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: > http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-p > aroisses.html > > Lux place names in all 3 languages: > http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&t > ask=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften > > > > Regarding Perl vs Perl?: > 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. > (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl > vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger > Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in > Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") > > 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. > > > > Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: > Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 > > SCHR?DER Michael > * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? > GAULS Maria > * um.1703 > > 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? > 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? > 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? > 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? > 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? > > > Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. > If somebody knows more - let me know. > > Best, ragnar > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: BANAT > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 > An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; > Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > > It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). > > In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. > > Scott > > ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" > <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? > Diana, Richard, > Au contraire, > there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. > 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. > 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. > Dave Dreyer? ? > > > > > From: Diana Lambing > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM > To: David Preston; Banat List > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > > Cher Richard, > > Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. > Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? > > Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. > > Cordialement, > > Diana Lambing > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Preston > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > > Madame, Monsieur, > > > Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. > > Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? > > Avec tous mes remerciements, > > > > Richard Jusseret > Rue de Launet, 1 > 6870 Hatrival > Belgique > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 > From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? > Registration > Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My > 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited > in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on > 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He > would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one > child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin > (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie > Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 > ************************************ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 > ************************************* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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I live in Wenatchee and have 3 used books that I would like to sell: LAZARFELD IM BANATby Hans Repp. Lazarfeld-Klek im Banat by Josef Kuhn und AVBF. PARDAN IM BANAT by Johann Porte und Justine Masching Please let me know how I would go about selling them. R. Sartin

Thank you to Dave, Bastian, Rudolf and Stacy for getting me on the right track. With your input and information, I have a plan of action and that is starting with a FHL. As it turns out there is one close to me and I plan to visit and try to access the Stader book and/or Banater Akten list. What I am hoping to estavblish is the date and any related information on my paternal grandfather and grandmother four times removed. I know they were born in Alberthausen, Hessen, Germany in 1768 and 1770 respectively and had son in 1789 in Triebswetter, Timis, Rumänien. Their names were Johann Michael Wolf, Maria Ursula Wolf (born Schneider) and son, Josef Adam Wolf. On my maternal side I have the same question. My maternal grandfather, Nikolaus Stoffel four times removed was born in Mamer, Luxemburg in 1766 and died in Sackelhausen, Banat on Mar 28 1789. His wife, Susanna Stoffel (born Moll) was born in Ulmbach, Banat, Rumänien (Peciu Nou) in 1762. So Nikolaus was not married when he emigrated to the Banat and may not have come through Vienna. A related question is ethnic in that Mamer, Luxemburg was a mix of French and Germans, how can you determine which ethnic group Nikolas Stoffel belonged to? Stoffel is a German name so we have always made that assumption but know nothing else about him. Again, many thanks for your genealogical research. Bob -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 6:35 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 23 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Vienna Registration (Stacy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:04:13 -0800 From: Stacy <stacyrenee4@yahoo.com> To: Bastian Jones <bastian.dornbach@outlook.de> Cc: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, Bob Wolf <fsslcbw@hotmail.com>, "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Message-ID: <A83055F1-BA9D-4386-97DB-EDAB959A5409@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Family History Library may even have the books, too. My local one does. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2017, at 5:31 AM, Bastian Jones <bastian.dornbach@outlook.de> wrote: > > Hello Bob, > > > if you are talking about the "Banater Akten" you can order them on micro fiche from the Mormons. I did that to check for certain names. It worked quite well, of course you need the number (e.g. BanA Fasz 35 rNr 156, fol 155b-156, 784b-785). > > > Best regards, > > Bastian > > > > ________________________________ > Von: BANAT <banat-bounces+bastian.dornbach=outlook.de@rootsweb.com> im > Auftrag von ddreyer@pacbell.net <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2017 02:40 > An: Bob Wolf; Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > Bob, > In Vienna, > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: Bob Wolf > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:33 PM > To: ddreyer@pacbell.net > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > But where can I find them? > Bob > > From: ddreyer@pacbell.net [mailto:ddreyer@pacbell.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:28 PM > To: Bob Wolf <fsslcbw@hotmail.com>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > Bob, > I am not aware of any Hof Kammer holdings online. So what about the materials of the Hofkammer archives? > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: Bob Wolf > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:19 AM > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > Dave, are the Vienna Registrations available online? What about the materials of Hofkammer archives? > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:50 PM > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 > > Send BANAT mailing list submissions to > banat@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > banat-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > banat-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > (Glenn Schwartz) > 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 > From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> > To: <banat@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. > > Glenn Schwartz > > President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) > Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. > Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca > >> On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: >> Bill, >> W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna. To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. >> Dave Dreyer >> >> >> >> From: David Preston >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM >> To: Banat List >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna >> Registration >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> >> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration >> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> >> >> >> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk >> donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My >> 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited >> in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on >> 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He >> would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least >> one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time. The town of >> origin (Malberg, in Bitburg >> County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the >> actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any >> possible relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good >> deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had >> success locating Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in >> Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source >> below >> (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? >> Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie >> Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann >> Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) >> >> The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. >> Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: >> W/K >> 56/58) >> >> >> Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) > From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 > Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Richard, > If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: > Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . > > Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. > Enjoy! > Cathy Teufel O'Neill > > > | > | > | > | | | > > | > > | > | > | | > Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum > Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie | | > > | > > | > > > > From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 > > Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? > banat-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at ??? > banat-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: > Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? > (ddreyer@pacbell.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 > From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> > To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? > "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi. > > Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: > > Belgium church book records can be found here: > http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index > /eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE > > Lux church book records can be found here: > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilte > r=true > > An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: > http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-p > aroisses.html > > Lux place names in all 3 languages: > http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&t > ask=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften > > > > Regarding Perl vs Perl?: > 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. > (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl > vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger > Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in > Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") > > 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. > > > > Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: > Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 > > SCHR?DER Michael > * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? > GAULS Maria > * um.1703 > > 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? > 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? > 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? > 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? > 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? > > > Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. > If somebody knows more - let me know. > > Best, ragnar > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: BANAT > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 > An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; > Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > > It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). > > In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. > > Scott > > ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" > <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? > Diana, Richard, > Au contraire, > there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. > 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. > 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. > Dave Dreyer? ? > > > > > From: Diana Lambing > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM > To: David Preston; Banat List > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > > Cher Richard, > > Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. > Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? > > Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. > > Cordialement, > > Diana Lambing > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Preston > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > > Madame, Monsieur, > > > Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. > > Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? > > Avec tous mes remerciements, > > > > Richard Jusseret > Rue de Launet, 1 > 6870 Hatrival > Belgique > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 > From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? > Registration > Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My > 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited > in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on > 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He > would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one > child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin > (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie > Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 > ************************************ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 > ************************************* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Hi Bob, I do have to make some checks in the Vienna archives on my family and could make a glance on your data. Please be a bit patient, the archive needs some time to react on proposals. Regards Rudolf Vienna -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+huepfl=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von ddreyer@pacbell.net Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Jänner 2017 02:40 An: Bob Wolf <fsslcbw@hotmail.com>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Bob, In Vienna, Dave Dreyer From: Bob Wolf Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:33 PM To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration But where can I find them? Bob From: ddreyer@pacbell.net [mailto:ddreyer@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:28 PM To: Bob Wolf <fsslcbw@hotmail.com>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Bob, I am not aware of any Hof Kammer holdings online. So what about the materials of the Hofkammer archives? Dave Dreyer From: Bob Wolf Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:19 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Dave, are the Vienna Registrations available online? What about the materials of Hofkammer archives? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:50 PM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration (Glenn Schwartz) 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna. To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My > 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited > in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on > 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He > would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one > child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time. The town of origin > (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the > actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any > possible relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good > deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success > locating Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in Trier > apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below > (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie > Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill | | | | | | | | | | | Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie | | | | From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer? ? From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. 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Hello Bob, if you are talking about the "Banater Akten" you can order them on micro fiche from the Mormons. I did that to check for certain names. It worked quite well, of course you need the number (e.g. BanA Fasz 35 rNr 156, fol 155b-156, 784b-785). Best regards, Bastian ________________________________ Von: BANAT <banat-bounces+bastian.dornbach=outlook.de@rootsweb.com> im Auftrag von ddreyer@pacbell.net <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2017 02:40 An: Bob Wolf; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Bob, In Vienna, Dave Dreyer From: Bob Wolf Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:33 PM To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration But where can I find them? Bob From: ddreyer@pacbell.net [mailto:ddreyer@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:28 PM To: Bob Wolf <fsslcbw@hotmail.com>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Bob, I am not aware of any Hof Kammer holdings online. So what about the materials of the Hofkammer archives? Dave Dreyer From: Bob Wolf Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:19 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Dave, are the Vienna Registrations available online? What about the materials of Hofkammer archives? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:50 PM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration (Glenn Schwartz) 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna. To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My > 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited > in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on > 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He > would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one > child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time. The town of origin > (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the > actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any > possible relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good > deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success > locating Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in Trier > apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below > (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie > Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill | | | | | | | | | | | Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie | | | | From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer? ? From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. 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The Family History Library may even have the books, too. My local one does. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2017, at 5:31 AM, Bastian Jones <bastian.dornbach@outlook.de> wrote: > > Hello Bob, > > > if you are talking about the "Banater Akten" you can order them on micro fiche from the Mormons. I did that to check for certain names. It worked quite well, of course you need the number (e.g. BanA Fasz 35 rNr 156, fol 155b-156, 784b-785). > > > Best regards, > > Bastian > > > > ________________________________ > Von: BANAT <banat-bounces+bastian.dornbach=outlook.de@rootsweb.com> im Auftrag von ddreyer@pacbell.net <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2017 02:40 > An: Bob Wolf; Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > Bob, > In Vienna, > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: Bob Wolf > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:33 PM > To: ddreyer@pacbell.net > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > But where can I find them? > Bob > > From: ddreyer@pacbell.net [mailto:ddreyer@pacbell.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:28 PM > To: Bob Wolf <fsslcbw@hotmail.com>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > Bob, > I am not aware of any Hof Kammer holdings online. So what about the materials of the Hofkammer archives? > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: Bob Wolf > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:19 AM > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration > > Dave, are the Vienna Registrations available online? What about the materials of Hofkammer archives? > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:50 PM > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 > > Send BANAT mailing list submissions to > banat@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > banat-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > banat-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > (Glenn Schwartz) > 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 > From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> > To: <banat@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. > > Glenn Schwartz > > President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) > Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. > Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca > >> On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: >> Bill, >> W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna. To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. >> Dave Dreyer >> >> >> >> From: David Preston >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM >> To: Banat List >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna >> Registration >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> >> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration >> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> >> >> >> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk >> donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My >> 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited >> in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on >> 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He >> would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one >> child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time. The town of origin >> (Malberg, in Bitburg >> County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the >> actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any >> possible relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good >> deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success >> locating Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in Trier >> apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below >> (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? >> Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie >> Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann >> Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) >> >> The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. >> Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K >> 56/58) >> >> >> Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) > From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 > Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Richard, > If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: > Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . > > Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. > Enjoy! > Cathy Teufel O'Neill > > > | > | > | > | | | > > | > > | > | > | | > Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum > Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie | | > > | > > | > > > > From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 > > Send BANAT mailing list submissions to > ??? banat@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 > From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> > To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi. > > Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: > > Belgium church book records can be found here: > http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE > > Lux church book records can be found here: > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true > > An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: > http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html > > Lux place names in all 3 languages: > http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 > http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften > > > > Regarding Perl vs Perl?: > 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. > (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") > > 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. > > > > Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: > Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 > > SCHR?DER Michael > * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? > GAULS Maria > * um.1703 > > 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? > 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? > 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? > 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? > 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? > > > Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. > If somebody knows more - let me know. > > Best, ragnar > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: BANAT > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 > An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > > It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). > > In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. > > Scott > > ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? > Diana, Richard, > Au contraire, > there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. > 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. > 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. > Dave Dreyer? ? > > > > > From: Diana Lambing > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM > To: David Preston; Banat List > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > > Cher Richard, > > Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. > Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? > > Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. > > Cordialement, > > Diana Lambing > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Preston > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 > > Madame, Monsieur, > > > Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. > > Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? > > Avec tous mes remerciements, > > > > Richard Jusseret > Rue de Launet, 1 > 6870 Hatrival > Belgique > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 > From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration > Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 > ************************************ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 > ************************************* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Rudolf, The information I have on Sigmundsfeld is as follows: Magdalena Hipfel born 4-22-1922 Parents: Niklaus Hipfel from Sigmundsfeld (occupation rotarius) Anna Welsch from Lazarfeld Godparents: Johann Pfeiffer Magdalena Keller born Dippong Married to Johann Vannemacher 1954 (or 1957 hard to read) in Nis which is where they say Johann is from. Unfortunately, the information I have includes only the years 1922-1953... nothing before that. Best Regards, Rita ________________________________ From: BANAT <banat-bounces+schiwanore=msn.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of ddreyer@pacbell.net <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:16 PM To: Rudolf Hüpfl; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Sigmundfeld - Hipfel Magdalena Rudolf, The D Etschka-Sigmundfeld Familienbuch by Lung only covers births up to 1880. Nevertheless there are two Hipfel entries which may be of interest. Hipfel Anton, son of Michael Hipfel and Kath Lambrecht *2 Oct 1791 Grabatz 1oo 18 Jul 1813 Grabatz Rech A M, dau of Philip Rech and Christina Lebermich *28 Jan 1798 Grabatz +18 May 1817 Sigmundfeld 1 Kath *25 May 1815 +3 May 1816 2oo 15 Jun 1817 Stefansfeld Engler Rosina, dau of Georg Engler and Marg Dasorin *7 Sep 1799 Lowrin +26 Mar 1825 Sigmundfeld 5 kids born in Sigmundfeld 3oo Pikar Anna 3 Kids born in Sigmundfeld Hipfel Anton, son of Nikolaus Hipfel and Marg Ziwal *13 Jun 1852 Stefansfeld, living in Sigmundfeld +12 Sep 1939 Sigmundfeld oo 5 Feb 1901 Sigmundfeld Keller Margaret, dau of Josef Keller and Eva Christmann *14 Aug 1850 Sigmundfeld Anna *12 Dec 1877 (illeg) +4 Mar 1902 Incidentially there are several Hipfel entries in the newly published Gr Betschkerek family book by Leitl and Mueller. Dave Dreyer From: Rudolf Hüpfl Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 7:42 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Sigmundfeld - Hipfel Magdalena Dear List members, Familybook Setschan, No. 4964 Wannenmacher Johann shows his wife as HIPFEL Magdalena, *22 Apr 1922 in Sigmundfeld; she died on 17 Apr 2006 in Wernau am Neckar, Germany. Is there any familybook of Sigmundfeld, showing the family and their past of this Magdalena and one could send me the details. Thank you in advance for your assistance Rudolf HUEPFL Vienna, Austria ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob, In Vienna, Dave Dreyer From: Bob Wolf Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:33 PM To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration But where can I find them? Bob From: ddreyer@pacbell.net [mailto:ddreyer@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:28 PM To: Bob Wolf <fsslcbw@hotmail.com>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Bob, I am not aware of any Hof Kammer holdings online.  So what about the materials of the Hofkammer archives? Dave Dreyer From: Bob Wolf Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:19 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Vienna Registration Dave, are the Vienna Registrations available online? What about the materials of Hofkammer archives? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+bobwolf=prodigy.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:50 PM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to                 banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit                 http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to                 banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at                 banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics:    1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration       (Glenn Schwartz)    2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna                 Registration Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.  To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna > Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My > 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited > in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on > 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.  He > would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one > child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.  The town of origin > (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the > actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any > possible relocations before he left for Vienna.  I have found a good > deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success > locating Johann (born 1731) there.  Church records stored in Trier > apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below > (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie > Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien  registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill   |  |   |   |   |    |    |   | |  |   | Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie  |   |   |   |       From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9    Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer? ? From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. 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Dear List members, Familybook Setschan, No. 4964 Wannenmacher Johann shows his wife as HIPFEL Magdalena, *22 Apr 1922 in Sigmundfeld; she died on 17 Apr 2006 in Wernau am Neckar, Germany. Is there any familybook of Sigmundfeld, showing the family and their past of this Magdalena and one could send me the details. Thank you in advance for your assistance Rudolf HUEPFL Vienna, Austria

Rudolf, The D Etschka-Sigmundfeld Familienbuch by Lung only covers births up to 1880. Nevertheless there are two Hipfel entries which may be of interest. Hipfel Anton, son of Michael Hipfel and Kath Lambrecht *2 Oct 1791 Grabatz 1oo 18 Jul 1813 Grabatz Rech A M, dau of Philip Rech and Christina Lebermich *28 Jan 1798 Grabatz +18 May 1817 Sigmundfeld 1 Kath *25 May 1815 +3 May 1816 2oo 15 Jun 1817 Stefansfeld Engler Rosina, dau of Georg Engler and Marg Dasorin *7 Sep 1799 Lowrin +26 Mar 1825 Sigmundfeld 5 kids born in Sigmundfeld 3oo Pikar Anna 3 Kids born in Sigmundfeld Hipfel Anton, son of Nikolaus Hipfel and Marg Ziwal *13 Jun 1852 Stefansfeld, living in Sigmundfeld +12 Sep 1939 Sigmundfeld oo 5 Feb 1901 Sigmundfeld Keller Margaret, dau of Josef Keller and Eva Christmann *14 Aug 1850 Sigmundfeld Anna *12 Dec 1877 (illeg) +4 Mar 1902 Incidentially there are several Hipfel entries in the newly published Gr Betschkerek family book by Leitl and Mueller. Dave Dreyer From: Rudolf Hüpfl Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 7:42 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Sigmundfeld - Hipfel Magdalena Dear List members, Familybook Setschan, No. 4964 Wannenmacher Johann shows his wife as HIPFEL Magdalena, *22 Apr 1922 in Sigmundfeld; she died on 17 Apr 2006 in Wernau am Neckar, Germany. Is there any familybook of Sigmundfeld, showing the family and their past of this Magdalena and one could send me the details. Thank you in advance for your assistance Rudolf HUEPFL Vienna, Austria ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glenn, Clarkson obtained her data from WK. Dave Dreyer From: Glenn & Celeste Schwartz<mailto:gschwartz@myaccess.ca> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:03 AM To: William Schwiegeraht<mailto:bswag@yahoo.com> Cc: banat@rootsweb.com<mailto:banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 I don't know for fact, but I would suggest that Susan Clarkson would have named her sources in her book. This should tell you where to look. Glenn Schwartz ----- Original Message ----- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:19:18 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 Thank you Guenter! I have already located Malberg in modern Germany and learned much about online - one day I plan to visit. I have also been in contact with the parish priest at Kyllburg parish who has tried to locate my family in the archives in Trier, but their records only go back to 1744. >From the Johannisfeld book by Susan Clarkson, I know Peter was my 3x great grandfather. Peter also appears in the Hatzfeld family book (Henz) on pg 756 (#11146), and the childeren's names agree. Peter married Elisabeth Blum in Hatzfeld, and sometime later went to Johannisfeld. On the same page is listed Johann (#11145) and above him is Barbara (#11144). When I first got started in genealogy two years ago, I found them linked in the Johannisfeld family tree record created by Susan Clarkson in Ancestry.com. However, the Hatzfeld book does not prove this, so I am looking for evidence that matches Dr. Clarkson's Ancestry record ( I am sure she would have had that, but my timing was unfortunate). I understand that original registration documents in Vienna may show names, ages, place or origin, and perhaps names of family members travelling ith Johann, and I hope to find positive proof from that. Unfortunately, Susan Clarkson died 3 months before I became interested in genealogy, so I missed my opportunity to ask her for her directly. Also, her Johannisfeld Famliebuch is out of print, but I was lucky to contact her daughter who saved the book (ms-word format) and sent to me on a CD-ROM! So, that is all the evidence I have. I attached my page from the Hatzfeld book and my file which I pulled out Schwiegerath information from the Johannisfeld book. Can you please tell me what you think. Thank you very much for your reply!William Schwiegeraht From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 9:56 AM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration (G?nter Junkers) 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration (William Schwiegeraht) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 12:16:20 +0100 From: G?nter Junkers <cgjunkers@web.de> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration Message-ID: <c45621e8-be39-c3f8-e591-f7ac7f0b70ae@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Bill, Johann Schwigerrath ist listed in Wilhelm&Kallbrunner (WK 56/58) on page 56 line 58. The original source in Vienna Hofkammerarchiv is Banater Akten Fasz. 35 rNr. 156, fol. 9 with no more information than you already have. Today Malberg is not anymore on Luxembourg area but in Germany near Kyllburg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malberg,_Bitburg-Pr%C3%BCm There is a famly book about Kyllburg and surrouning places: http://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1137705 Maybe you find more about your family in this book/DVD. The latest version of the Kyllburg family book is available for members of WGfF only at their online library http://www.wgff-digibib.de/index.php?_n (look for Kyllburg) Albert Schwickerath, Dorfstr. 38, D-54662 Philippsheim added more data extracted from civil records after 1798 Both books have a lot of Schwickerath families but sorry - I could not find your Johann married to Barbara. The note in Susan Clarkson book p 534 about the origin of the Schwickerath family does not say that this family settled in Johannisfeld. My question is: what is your source for the name of the wife Barbara and son Peter? Regards Guenter Junkers Arbeitskreis donauschwaebischer Familienforscher Sindelfingen http://akdff.de Am 14.01.2017 um 03:49 schrieb banat-request@rootsweb.com: > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht<bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To:"banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time. The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:53:24 +0000 (UTC) From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration Message-ID: <832648894.3209357.1484405604937@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks Glenn & Dave for the help. ?I appreciate it! Bill Schwiegeraht From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:49 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (Glenn Schwartz) ? 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill ? |? |? |? |? |? ? | ? | ? | |? |? |? Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie? |? | ? | ? | ? ? ? From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 ? Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer? ? From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. 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Bill, You are asking for much more than you are likely to get from these records. Many, if not most, do not give a specific town, nor do they give the names in the party except for the head of household. You can obtain a copy of the abstracts of the registrations published by Wilhelm and Kallbrunner from the AKdFF for a modest cost. You will find the same data in the Stader series supplemented with any other data which may apply. Dave Dreyer From: William Schwiegeraht<mailto:bswag@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 9:23 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com<mailto:banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 Thank you Guenter! I have already located Malberg in modern Germany and learned much about online - one day I plan to visit. I have also been in contact with the parish priest at Kyllburg parish who has tried to locate my family in the archives in Trier, but their records only go back to 1744. >From the Johannisfeld book by Susan Clarkson, I know Peter was my 3x great grandfather. Peter also appears in the Hatzfeld family book (Henz) on pg 756 (#11146), and the childeren's names agree. Peter married Elisabeth Blum in Hatzfeld, and sometime later went to Johannisfeld. On the same page is listed Johann (#11145) and above him is Barbara (#11144). When I first got started in genealogy two years ago, I found them linked in the Johannisfeld family tree record created by Susan Clarkson in Ancestry.com. However, the Hatzfeld book does not prove this, so I am looking for evidence that matches Dr. Clarkson's Ancestry record ( I am sure she would have had that, but my timing was unfortunate). I understand that original registration documents in Vienna may show names, ages, place or origin, and perhaps names of family members travelling ith Johann, and I hope to find positive proof from that. Unfortunately, Susan Clarkson died 3 months before I became interested in genealogy, so I missed my opportunity to ask her for her directly. Also, her Johannisfeld Famliebuch is out of print, but I was lucky to contact her daughter who saved the book (ms-word format) and sent to me on a CD-ROM! So, that is all the evidence I have. I attached my page from the Hatzfeld book and my file which I pulled out Schwiegerath information from the Johannisfeld book. Can you please tell me what you think. Thank you very much for your reply!William Schwiegeraht From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 9:56 AM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration (G?nter Junkers) 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration (William Schwiegeraht) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 12:16:20 +0100 From: G?nter Junkers <cgjunkers@web.de> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration Message-ID: <c45621e8-be39-c3f8-e591-f7ac7f0b70ae@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Bill, Johann Schwigerrath ist listed in Wilhelm&Kallbrunner (WK 56/58) on page 56 line 58. The original source in Vienna Hofkammerarchiv is Banater Akten Fasz. 35 rNr. 156, fol. 9 with no more information than you already have. Today Malberg is not anymore on Luxembourg area but in Germany near Kyllburg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malberg,_Bitburg-Pr%C3%BCm There is a famly book about Kyllburg and surrouning places: http://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1137705 Maybe you find more about your family in this book/DVD. The latest version of the Kyllburg family book is available for members of WGfF only at their online library http://www.wgff-digibib.de/index.php?_n (look for Kyllburg) Albert Schwickerath, Dorfstr. 38, D-54662 Philippsheim added more data extracted from civil records after 1798 Both books have a lot of Schwickerath families but sorry - I could not find your Johann married to Barbara. The note in Susan Clarkson book p 534 about the origin of the Schwickerath family does not say that this family settled in Johannisfeld. My question is: what is your source for the name of the wife Barbara and son Peter? Regards Guenter Junkers Arbeitskreis donauschwaebischer Familienforscher Sindelfingen http://akdff.de Am 14.01.2017 um 03:49 schrieb banat-request@rootsweb.com: > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht<bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To:"banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time. The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:53:24 +0000 (UTC) From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration Message-ID: <832648894.3209357.1484405604937@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks Glenn & Dave for the help. ?I appreciate it! Bill Schwiegeraht From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:49 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (Glenn Schwartz) ? 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill ? |? |? |? |? |? ? | ? | ? | |? |? |? Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie? |? | ? | ? | ? ? ? From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 ? Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer? ? From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. 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