I have just started looking at Census, could someone tell me what "as of family" means. Thanks

Cassie, thanks for your suggestion. I have that info and other records for James Stanley in IL since I lived there for years. My brick wall is MD. Thanks again, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassie Kilroy Thompson" <cassiekt@earthlink.net> To: <BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [BALTGEN-L] STANLEY & RANNEY families > From the Illinois Public Land Records database at > http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/GenealogyMWeb/landsrch.html > There were this many James Stanleys - the earliest record in this list is > 1832. You might want to check this out? > > STANLEY JAMES SWSW 07 26N 12W 2 03/21/1857 > IROQUOIS > STANLEY JAMES NWFRISL 01 17S 02W 3 08/17/1846 > ALEXANDER > STANLEY JAMES E2NE 19 13S 05E 3 09/03/1853 > POPE > STANLEY JAMES W2NW 20 13S 05E 3 09/03/1853 > POPE > STANLEY JAMES E2NE 08 03S 09E 3 06/27/1836 > WAYNE > STANLEY JAMES NESW 04 03S 09E 3 06/27/1836 > WAYNE > STANLEY JAMES W2NW 09 03S 09E 3 10/03/1832 > WAYNE > STANLEY JAMES LOT3BL1 16 05S 06W 4 05/03/1836 > PIKE > STANLEY JAMES LOT1BL10 16 05S 06W 4 05/03/1836 > PIKE > STANLEY JAMES LOT2BL11 16 05S 06W 4 05/03/1836 > PIKE > STANLEY JAMES LOT3BL6 16 05S 06W 4 05/03/1836 > PIKE > STANLEY JAMES SWSE 06 11S 02E 3 12/07/1885 > JOHNSON > STANLEY JAMES SESW 06 11S 02E 3 11/09/1880 > JOHNSON > > -- > Cassie > ----------------- > > > On May 11, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Mary Rosenwinkel wrote: > > James Stanley was b. abt. 1777 in MD. He married Mary Jane Ranney (his > 2nd wife) before 1812 but neither appears in any MD marriage records I've > found so far. > His grandson says James left Baltimore about 1823 with a 500 folks > heading for the west. Anyone have any info about a group this size having > been formed? I've found a lot of Stanleys in the Baltimore and MD records > but no indication of who was related to whom. Any help would be > appreciated. > Mary > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb/MDGenWeb site for Carroll Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdcarrol > USGenWeb/MDGenWeb site for Howard Co.http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdhoward > >

From the Baltimore Sun, May 5, 1875 MARRIED: CHAMBERS-FEUERSTEIN--On Sunday, April 23, 1875, by the Rev. Robert S. Rowe, CHARLES C. CHAMBERS to Miss MARY E. FEUERSTEIN, both of this city. ELPHRING-FISHER--On Tuesday, April 27, 1875, at Eutaw street M.E. Church, by the Rev. Wm. H. Holliday, WILLIAM H. ELPHRING to ADELAIDE, daughter of William T. Fisher, Esq., all of this city. (Washington, D.C. papers please copy). EDWARDS-McCLEARY--On April 14, at Saint Andrew's Church, by the Rev. Wm. Rawlins Pickman, THOMAS EDWARDS, pf London, to MAGGIE McCLEARY, of this city. JENKINS-SORRELL--On Thursday, April 29, 1875, at Sharp street M.E. Church, by the Rev. P.G. Walker, CHARLES JENKINS to IDA SORRELL, all of this city. DIED: BRADLY--Suddenly, on the 3d instant, JOHN BRADLY, aged 38 years. May he rest in peace. The relatives and friends of the family are respectfully invited to attend his funeral from his late residence No. 23 Parkin street, on tomorrow (Thursday) morning, 6th instant, at ten o'clock, without further notice. DAVIS--On the 3d instant, Mrs. PHERE DAVIS, in the 80th year of her age, of Harford county, widow of the Rev. John Davis. (Harford county papers please copy). The friends of the family are invited to attend her funeral this (Wednesday) afternoon, 5th instant, at three o'clock, from No. 29 Read street. GLOCKER--On Monday evening, 3d of May, 1875, EMANUEL J. GLOCKER, in the 38th (maybe 35th) year of his age, eldest son of Theodore and Elizabeth Glocker. The relatives of the family are respectfully invited to attend his funeral from his late residence, No. 486 Aisquith street, tomorrow (Thursday) morning, 6th instant, at 11 o'clock. GARDNER--Suddenly of pneumonia on the 4th instant, at 8 minutes of 8 o'clock P.M., BARBARA ELLEN GARDNER, in the 57th year of her age, the seventh daughter of Flinn and Carry Gardner, of Carroll county. (Westminster papers please copy). Her funeral will take place from the residence of her brother R.F. Gardner, No. 384 Lexington st., at half past 2 o'clock. The relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend. HODGES--On the 3d instant, ANNIE HODGES, wife of the late Joseph Hodges, of Anne Arundel county. Her funeral will take place from her late residence on this (Wednesday) morning the 5th instant, at 10 o'clock. Friends and relatives are cordially invited without further notice. Steam tug will leave County wharf at half past 8 o'clock on morning (rest is cut off)

Sorry, List, AOL is bouncing MSN mail again. ----- Original Message ----- From: mona everett<mailto:cowpost@msn.com> To: PatMrshll<mailto:PatMrshll@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Thomas and Maggie Hi, I got the marriage notice today from the library for Thomas Edwards and Maggie McCleary. I will put it in the mail tomorrow. Here is what it says: EDWARDS-McCLEARY--On April 14 (I think it is 14--could be 11) at St. Andrew's Church, by the Rev. Wm. Rawlins Pickman, THOMAS EDWARDS, of London, to MAGGIE McCLEARY, of this city. I have asked for a look up to find the denomination. Hope all is well there--it is rainy, windy and quite cold (40sF) here today. Can you please email me the correct spelling of you last name? Thanks, Mona

Hello, Could someone please look and see which church (denomination) Rev. William Rawlins Pickman was at in 1875? According to the marriage notice I have it was St. Andrew's, but I don't know the denomination or if it is still in existence today, or where the records might be. There a a few St. Andrew's in Baltimore now. Thanks! Mona

http://www.worshiphere.org/MD/Baltimore.htm#S<http://www.worshiphere.org/MD/Baltimore.htm#S> This is a page that lists all (maybe most) of the churches in Baltimore. It looks as if the home page will let you search all over the US. Mona--If the link has 2 "http"s in it, just use the first half. For some reason the links get doubled when I send them to mailing lists.

From the Illinois Public Land Records database at http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/GenealogyMWeb/landsrch.html There were this many James Stanleys - the earliest record in this list is 1832. You might want to check this out? STANLEY JAMES SWSW 07 26N 12W 2 03/21/1857 IROQUOIS STANLEY JAMES NWFRISL 01 17S 02W 3 08/17/1846 ALEXANDER STANLEY JAMES E2NE 19 13S 05E 3 09/03/1853 POPE STANLEY JAMES W2NW 20 13S 05E 3 09/03/1853 POPE STANLEY JAMES E2NE 08 03S 09E 3 06/27/1836 WAYNE STANLEY JAMES NESW 04 03S 09E 3 06/27/1836 WAYNE STANLEY JAMES W2NW 09 03S 09E 3 10/03/1832 WAYNE STANLEY JAMES LOT3BL1 16 05S 06W 4 05/03/1836 PIKE STANLEY JAMES LOT1BL10 16 05S 06W 4 05/03/1836 PIKE STANLEY JAMES LOT2BL11 16 05S 06W 4 05/03/1836 PIKE STANLEY JAMES LOT3BL6 16 05S 06W 4 05/03/1836 PIKE STANLEY JAMES SWSE 06 11S 02E 3 12/07/1885 JOHNSON STANLEY JAMES SESW 06 11S 02E 3 11/09/1880 JOHNSON -- Cassie ----------------- On May 11, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Mary Rosenwinkel wrote: James Stanley was b. abt. 1777 in MD. He married Mary Jane Ranney (his 2nd wife) before 1812 but neither appears in any MD marriage records I've found so far. His grandson says James left Baltimore about 1823 with a 500 folks heading for the west. Anyone have any info about a group this size having been formed? I've found a lot of Stanleys in the Baltimore and MD records but no indication of who was related to whom. Any help would be appreciated. Mary

James Stanley was b. abt. 1777 in MD. He married Mary Jane Ranney (his 2nd wife) before 1812 but neither appears in any MD marriage records I've found so far. His grandson says James left Baltimore about 1823 with a 500 folks heading for the west. Anyone have any info about a group this size having been formed? I've found a lot of Stanleys in the Baltimore and MD records but no indication of who was related to whom. Any help would be appreciated. Mary

Make a copy your message and forward it to your congressman Bud

It seems to be impossible to get a copy of an application for a Social Security record if the applicant did not earn enough credits to collect social security. My father had a number, but when I wrote for his application I was told that he did not have a number. A phone call to the office was really frustrating. While I held his card in my hand I was told that he did not have a social security number. I read the number to the person to whom I was talking. She very nastily told me that the card must be an illegal one and asked if my father was an alien. I explained that he was born in Maryland as were his ancestors since at least the early 1700's. She was not impressed and told me again that the card did not exist. I visited the local Social Security office to find out what was going on. My father was in business for himself and did not pay in enough to collect Social Security, therefore the government did not even know that he was dead. If living, he would have been age 112. I was then informed that if he did not collect his social security there was no way I could get a record of his application. Government sometimes is not very smart. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Flanagan" <Liam@cox.net> To: <BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [BALTGEN-L] Follow-up Federal civilian employment records > Next Time: > > ASK for "His Application" or a Social Security . > Suppy the necessasy chain of relationships to prove who you are, > > There is a special form that you must use to get a "COPY > OF HIS APPLICATION FOR SOCIAL; SECURITY NUMBER. . > > It fortunate, it will give you his family history back one more > generation. > > Bud in Arizona > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > Please Check Our New web site for the BALTGEN-L mailing list. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdbaltim/baltgen-l.htm > >

In a message dated 5/10/2006 12:18:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Liam@cox.net writes: Did he have a brother or other relative apply for Social secutity that may have the same information on teh application ??? I'm not the original poster but I think your idea of looking at a sibling's application is great. I never thought of that.

Hi, again, That is a great suggestion, but in my case it won't help. All I need is his death date--I have everything else. And his death date wouldn't be on a siblings SSN app. But, I'll keep that suggestion in mind for other ancestors. Thanks! Mona ----- Original Message ----- From: Patscga@aol.com<mailto:Patscga@aol.com> To: BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [BALTGEN-L] Bud--Civilian employee follow up In a message dated 5/10/2006 12:18:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Liam@cox.net<mailto:Liam@cox.net> writes: Did he have a brother or other relative apply for Social secutity that may have the same information on teh application ??? I'm not the original poster but I think your idea of looking at a sibling's application is great. I never thought of that. ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== USGenWeb/MDGenWeb page for Anne Arundel Co. - 350 Years of Settlement 1649-1999 http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdannear<http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdannear>

you nave to sneaky to beat the system

Hi, He never had a Social Security Number, so no use in asking for his application--he never applied for one, as he didn't need one. Thanks for writing, though. Mona ----- Original Message ----- From: William Flanagan<mailto:Liam@cox.net> To: BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [BALTGEN-L] Follow-up Federal civilian employment records Next Time: ASK for "His Application" or a Social Security . Suppy the necessasy chain of relationships to prove who you are, There is a special form that you must use to get a "COPY OF HIS APPLICATION FOR SOCIAL; SECURITY NUMBER. . It fortunate, it will give you his family history back one more generation. Bud in Arizona ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== Please Check Our New web site for the BALTGEN-L mailing list. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdbaltim/baltgen-l.htm<http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdbaltim/baltgen-l.htm>

In a message dated 5/10/2006 10:29:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cowpost@msn.com writes: Some months ago, I had asked about getting the employment records for my great-uncle and was happy to receive several emails telling of others' success. Well...... My uncle was a career employee with US Customs in NYC, from at least 1918 onward. I followed all the instructions on the National Civilian Personnel website and sent off my letter in November 2005. By this March, I still hadn't heard anything, so I called. They couldn't find my letter and told me to fax it and that I should hear back in 2 weeks, as they were not backlogged at all. I faxed it. Three weeks later, I called again. They couldn't find the fax. I re-faxed it. Waited; called again. Called again yesterday and re-faxed it and immediately called to tell the lady (I am now on a first name basis there) that it had been faxed. I don't know what the problem is--all she could tell me was that without a Social Security number, they can't track requests. My uncle didn't have a SSN--he was born in 1885 and was a federal employee all his life. Your government in action. I suggest you just keep trying.

Hello, Some months ago, I had asked about getting the employment records for my great-uncle and was happy to receive several emails telling of others' success. Well...... My uncle was a career employee with US Customs in NYC, from at least 1918 onward. I followed all the instructions on the National Civilian Personnel website and sent off my letter in November 2005. By this March, I still hadn't heard anything, so I called. They couldn't find my letter and told me to fax it and that I should hear back in 2 weeks, as they were not backlogged at all. I faxed it. Three weeks later, I called again. They couldn't find the fax. I re-faxed it. Waited; called again. Called again yesterday and re-faxed it and immediately called to tell the lady (I am now on a first name basis there) that it had been faxed. I don't know what the problem is--all she could tell me was that without a Social Security number, they can't track requests. My uncle didn't have a SSN--he was born in 1885 and was a federal employee all his life. Has anyone tried to get records from them for someone without an SSN? Any luck? They told me that with the info I sent they should be able to find his records (name, birthdate and place, place of employment, and dates employed and I added his wife's name, too). They had no explanation as to why I hadn't received ANYTHING back--even a confirmation letter. I am getting frustrated, especially since I had heard from others how great the service was and how many records they got back. Thanks! Mona--guess I am just venting

Did he have a brother or other relative apply for Social secutity that may have the same information on teh application ???

Next Time: ASK for "His Application" or a Social Security . Suppy the necessasy chain of relationships to prove who you are, There is a special form that you must use to get a "COPY OF HIS APPLICATION FOR SOCIAL; SECURITY NUMBER. . It fortunate, it will give you his family history back one more generation. Bud in Arizona

Would like to exchange information with anyone interested in a GRAHAM family that lived in Baltimore during the mid and/or late 1800s or the 1900s. Jerry Researching: Graham, Brady, Corrigan, Healey, Popple

Thanks for the responses. If Mount Olive is Methodist, would Lutherans be buried there? Carol Ann Wald