Arlene -- In the Otterbein records, do you have anything for an Albrecht. I'm not sure of a first name. Any Albrecht will do, unless there are too many of them. Thank you so much for this help. Evelyn Roy; e-mail: kurm@mdo.net > While doing some research I made copies of the membership of The Otterbein > Church in Hampden. (about 20 copies) If you need anything from there I will > be glad to see if I have it. If I do I will send you a copy. > > Arlene Larson

Hi Tim, I'm trying to find Corbins around Baltimore County. There's alot of them there but I'm looking back to the 1700s to find some gaps in who is who. I guess I need to ask you first if you have info back that far. Next, do you have anything on a Shadrack or Joseph Corbin. Can't find these people. I have Corbins I can't match up with which family they go with. Let me know how extensive your list is on Corbins. Not giving you much to go on but anything will be a help. Thanks and when you get a chance let me know. Jim corb1013@excite.com ------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Tim, Your thoughtfulness and time in helping others in their research is very much appreciated. I too am looking for some Baltimore City/ County surnames. If you have some time, please look up Herbert F. Riley, Edith Van Horn and William O. Van Horn. Thank you. Etta Riley

In a message dated 7/15/02 1:02:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, atlanstr@magnus.net writes: > Arlene Larson, > My ggggrandparents were married by Rev Otterbein on 11/15/1783. Do you see > the names Elijah Stansbury and Elizabeth Gorsuch on your list? > Sam Jones > Does anyone have Jemima Stansbury in their records? I've been told her parents were; any help or confirmation on this family would be wonderful. Thank you Becky Rutherford New Albany, OH Elijah STANSBURY b. 11/7/1751 Harford, MD, d. 8/21/1837 Baltimore, MD; buried Union Hall, Baltimore, MD; married Sarah GORSUCH b. abt 1760, d. bef 1784 Children listed as: Charles Gorsuch. b. abt 1783 Baltimore, d. 1824 LA; mar. Elizabeth William Gorsuch, b. 1781, d. 1858, Meigs Co., OH Jesse, b. 6/29/1786 St. James Parish, Baltimore, MD; d. 12/14/1849 Balto, MD Col. Isaac, b. 6/28/1788 St. James Parish, Baltimore, MD; d. 2/12/1865, Balto, MD, buried Eden Mill Harford Co, MD John E., b. abt 1790, d. 10/4/1851 Col. Elijah, b. 1791, d. 12/19/1883 Jacob, b. 6/17/1793, St. James Parish, Balto, MD; d. 4/3/1855 Meiga, OH Abraham, b. 1795; d. 3/7/1846, buried Union Hall, Balto, MD. James E, b. 1797; 12/11/1826 David Gorsuch, Thomas J., b. 10/14/1800; d. 7/6/1883 Mary (Polly) Jemima, b. 9/27/1805 Balto, MD; d. 12/27/1879 St. Albans twp, Licking Co., OH; buried Village Cem, Alexandria, OH; mar. 12/15/1824 Elisha BATTEE, Balto, MD Elizabeth Becky Rutherford Independent Longaberger (R) Sales Consultant <A HREF="http://www.longaberger.com/beckyrutherford"> Shop With Me Site</A> http://www.longaberger.com/beckyrutherford Becky's Surnames: Miller, Fishpaw, Mead, Bumgarner, Potts, Coe, Wickcliff, Lemmon, Huddleston, Mays, Youmans, Dunning, Layton, Battee (Franklin, Licking, Fairfield Co, Ohio) Bruce's Surnames: Rutherford, Bozman, Brown, Brownrigg, Shafer, Oliver, Norris, Gillotte, Rasier, Caldwell, Fulton, Groves, Danford, Steele, Williams, Phillips, Conkle, Metheney, Nicholson, Hendry, Ward, Larrick (Noble Co and area Ohio) <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=becky1949">RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Our Family History Rebecca Miller and Bruce Ru</A> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=becky1949 <A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/u/t/Becky-Rutherford/"> Our Family Tree </A> http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/u/t/Becky-Rutherford/ (many family photos)

following is a list of the obits that were in the copy I received. Please email me off list for any ofthe following HUNTER, Mary JONES, Alice V KAMPS, Gerrit KENNER, Elsie C.(child) KNIGHT, Harriet T (mine) LENDERKING, Sophia LESTER, Mary MAGILL, Annie E. MAGILL,Ellis M. MATTHEWS, Mary S. MOONEY, Anna NICHOLSON, Cornelia O'HARE, Thomas J. REITZ, Margaret Good luck, Cheryl BTW - I will be away from the computer until Wednesday morning. ===== Keep on Stampin' Cheryl Miller Alton, VA Stampin' & genealogy - full time hobbies Visit my family: www.geocities.com/kosacktree __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com

I have recieved the following obit on one of my ancestors. KNIGHT - On December 17, 1904 at her home near Baldwin, Baltimore county, MD Harriet T. widow of the late Wesley Knight. Funeral service at Chestnut Grove Church on Tuesday at 1 pm Carriages will meet train at Baldwin that leaves Baltimore at 9:30 am. Now a couple of questions since I am not familiar at all with this location. Was she being transported to Baltimore or from Baltimore? Chestnut Grove Church is it still around? Where is it located? Thanks Cheryl ===== Keep on Stampin' Cheryl Miller Alton, VA Stampin' & genealogy - full time hobbies Visit my family: www.geocities.com/kosacktree __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com

Thank you, Tim. I appreciate all your efforts. > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Robinson [SMTP:trobinson42@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:17 AM > To: BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BALTGEN-L] Offering research help > > Meriah, > From what I can make out on these original filmed archived > records, there are no MURPHY's listed with a wife with the > surname O'NEILL in 1875. Some of this handwritting is > really hard to make out, not only because of the Sextons > style, but the quality of the record itself. It tends to make > your eye's run together! But I will keep trying, as there are > a lot of marriage and death records on these 2 CD's. > Tim > **** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela Williams" <williamsa@nsu.law.nova.edu> > To: <BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:48 AM > Subject: RE: [BALTGEN-L] Offering research help > > > : Hi Tim > : > : Will you check your CD's that list marriages for St. Joseph's and St. > Patrick's Catholic churches in Baltimore for a marriage between Jerome > Patrick Murphy and Mary O'Neill August 4, 1875? Thank you! > : > : Meriah > > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb/MDGenWeb page for Anne Arundel Co. - 350 Years of Settlement > 1649-1999 > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdannear >

-----Original Message----- From: Samuel W. Jones <atlanstr@magnus.net> To: BALTGEN-L@rootswebcom <BALTGEN-L@rootswebcom> Date: Sunday, July 14, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Otterbein Church Records Arlene Larson, My ggggrandparents were married by Rev Otterbein on 11/15/1783. Do you see the names Elijah Stansbury and Elizabeth Gorsuch on your list? Sam Jones

In a message dated 7/14/02 4:42:18 PM, GGailBoyle@aol.com writes: << If you could check for Krauk, Oltman and Ebbinghausen >> Hi Gail: I think we found that our Krauks were not related. Below are some marriages that may be in your family copied from the 1st United Evangelical Church. Hope these are helpful. Pauline Marriages pg 134 17 Jan 1897 KRAUCK JOHN W & BECK MAGGIE pg 35 26 Nov 1885 KRAUK FREDK HENRY & KAISER BERTHA pg123 22 Sep 1895 KRAUK GEORGE & ALTMAN MINNIE pg 179 5 May 1861 KRAUKE ANNA & KISTIN CARL pg 199 29 Jan 1854 EBIGHAUSEN HEINRICH & FLUGEL JOHANNA pg 184 5 Dec 1858 KRAUK HERRMANN & HARDE SOPHIA D **********

Dear Arlene, If you could check for Krauk, Oltman and Ebbinghausen I would appreciate it. Thank you in advance. Gail

I would like a copy, where in Hampden was this church located? Thanks, Evelyn

Meriah, From what I can make out on these original filmed archived records, there are no MURPHY's listed with a wife with the surname O'NEILL in 1875. Some of this handwritting is really hard to make out, not only because of the Sextons style, but the quality of the record itself. It tends to make your eye's run together! But I will keep trying, as there are a lot of marriage and death records on these 2 CD's. Tim **** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Williams" <williamsa@nsu.law.nova.edu> To: <BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [BALTGEN-L] Offering research help : Hi Tim : : Will you check your CD's that list marriages for St. Joseph's and St. Patrick's Catholic churches in Baltimore for a marriage between Jerome Patrick Murphy and Mary O'Neill August 4, 1875? Thank you! : : Meriah

Gail, No given names to make it easier?? Anyway: BOYLE, BERNARD; d. Jan 17, 1800; bur. Jan 17, 1800; age 22 yrs. ( From Early Catholic Church records - 1782 - 1800 ) From Lorraine Park cemetery, there are 3 BOYLES listed, ANNIE; BROOKS; and JOHN. In Mt. Olivet cemetery, there are several listings for BOYLE: ELIZABETH; GEORGE; JOHN; LUTTLE; REBECCA; & WM.K.(Vol.1) Thats what I have so far, if you see one you want, let me know. Tim **** ----- Original Message ----- From: <GGailBoyle@aol.com> To: <BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [BALTGEN-L] Offering research help : Thank you Tim for your generous offer of research. : : I am looking for several Baltimore City/County surnames. If it wouldn't be : any trouble, please look for BOYLE, KRAUK and OLTMAN. : : Thank you. Gail Smith Boyle

Arlene, Would there be a listing for a Heinrich Schaeffer (Henry Schaefer) and/or wife Elizabeth (Mary Elizabeth)? Thanks for helping. Ruth Delaware ----- Original Message ----- From: <ArlnLr@aol.com> To: <BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 5:24 PM Subject: [BALTGEN-L] Otterbein Church records > While doing some research I made copies of the membership of The Otterbein > Church in Hampden. (about 20 copies) If you need anything from there I will > be glad to see if I have it. If I do I will send you a copy. > > Arlene Larson > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > If you are interested in discussing the culture and heritage of the > Baltimore Area (including remeberances) please subscribe to: > MD-BALTO-CUL-L by sending an E mail to MD-BALTO-CUL-L-Request@rootsweb.com > >

In a message dated 7/13/02 5:44:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Patscga@aol.com writes: > I'm looking for what Catholic Church people went to in 1850 in the area of > Biddle, Preston, and Chase Streets. > It was probably St. John's the Evangelist or St. James.

I have found some of the words your were looking for. Hope this helps: Matrimonio Conjunxi-----Marriage ex loco----place where person is from Filium---son of et---and, even, both Filiam----daughter of Proesentibus testibus---in witness of ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Robinson" <trobinson42@comcast.net> To: <BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: [BALTGEN-L] Help with Meanings > While I am trying to decipher the names on these Wedding certificates, > I need help first with the proper meaning of the following Latin words, > so I know who is who at the Weddings at St.Josephs RC Church, and > St. Patricks RC Church-Baltimore********* > 1. "matrimonio conjunxi" > > 2. "ex loco " > > 3. "Filium" > > 4. "et" > > 5. "Filiam" > > 6. Proesentibus Testibus" > > They are probably very simple, but I need to proper meanings. > > Tim Robinson ( Send answer back through the List - Thanks ) > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > The Baltgen-L list focuses on GENEALOGY research for > Baltimore, Anne Arundel, Harford, and Howard Cos. MD >

Mary Ellen........THANKS, and I do know a Priest or 2 who will help me....Very Thankful to you again, Tim **** ----- Original Message ----- From: <MIsennock@aol.com> To: <BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [BALTGEN-L] Help with Meanings : : Tim, The Latin to English translations for some of the words are listed : below. But I think a priest would be the best bet. : Mary Ellen : : You wrote: : Ego infrasoriplus _____ missis _____ denuntiationibus et mutrio : contrahentium consonsu habito, per verba de presenti matrimonio : conjunxi ____persons name_____ : : ego [I]; plur. nos , [we] (often used for sing.); 'alter ego', [my second : self]; 'ad me', [to my house]; 'apud me', [at my house], also [in my senses]. : : infrasoriplus : : missis : : denuntiatio -onis f. [announcement , declaration, threat].denuntio -are [to : announce , give notice, declare, threaten]; 'bellum denuntiare', [to declare : war]; legal, [to give notice, serve a summons]. : : et as adv. , [also, even]; as conj., [and; and indeed]; in narrative, [and : then]; occasionally adversative, [and yet]; after alius, idem, par, [as or : than]; repeated et....et...., [both....and...]; so -que....et....; nec : (neque)....et, [not only not....but] : : mutrio : : contraho -trahere -traxi -tractum (1) [to draw together , collect, unite; to : conclude or complete] any arrangement; in gen., [to cause, bring on, bring : about]; 'aes alienum', [to contract debt]. (2) [to shorten, narrow, contract, : reduce]; 'frontem', [to frown]; 'vela', [to furl one's sails]; of the : spirits, [to depress]. Hence partic. contractus -a -um, [contracted, : narrowed, straitened]; of persons, [retired, quiet]. : : consonus -a -um [sounding together , harmonious, accordant, suitable]. : : habito -are transit. , [to inhabit]; intransit., [to dwell]. : : per prep. with acc.: of space , [through, along, over]; sometimes [before, in : the presence of]; of time, [throughout, during; in the course of, in a time : of]; of means or instrument, [through, by, by means of, with, by way of]; of : cause, [because of, on account of]; 'per me licet', [you may as far as I'm : concerned]; in entreaties, oaths, etc., [in the name of]. : : verbum -i n. [a word]; 'verbum facere' , [to speak]; 'uno verbo', [in a word, : briefly]; 'ad verbum', [word for word]; 'verbi causa', [for example]; : grammat. [a verb]; [an expression, saying; mere words, talk]: 'verba dare : homini', [to cheat a person]. : : de prep. with abl. (1) in space , [down from, away from]. Transf., [coming : from] an origin; [taken from] a class or stock, [made from] a material, : [changed from] a previous state; of information, [from] a source. (2) in : time, [following from, after; in the course of, during]. (3) [about] a : subject; [on account of] a cause; [according to] a standard : : presenti : : matrimonium -i n. [marriage]. : : coniunx (coniux) -iugis c. [a husband or wife]; poet. , [a betrothed virgin, : bride]. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== : Check Out the USGenWeb/MDGenWeb page for Baltimore Co. : http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdbaltim :

Tim, The Latin to English translations for some of the words are listed below. But I think a priest would be the best bet. Mary Ellen You wrote: Ego infrasoriplus _____ missis _____ denuntiationibus et mutrio contrahentium consonsu habito, per verba de presenti matrimonio conjunxi ____persons name_____ ego [I]; plur. nos , [we] (often used for sing.); 'alter ego', [my second self]; 'ad me', [to my house]; 'apud me', [at my house], also [in my senses]. infrasoriplus missis denuntiatio -onis f. [announcement , declaration, threat].denuntio -are [to announce , give notice, declare, threaten]; 'bellum denuntiare', [to declare war]; legal, [to give notice, serve a summons]. et as adv. , [also, even]; as conj., [and; and indeed]; in narrative, [and then]; occasionally adversative, [and yet]; after alius, idem, par, [as or than]; repeated et....et...., [both....and...]; so -que....et....; nec (neque)....et, [not only not....but] mutrio contraho -trahere -traxi -tractum (1) [to draw together , collect, unite; to conclude or complete] any arrangement; in gen., [to cause, bring on, bring about]; 'aes alienum', [to contract debt]. (2) [to shorten, narrow, contract, reduce]; 'frontem', [to frown]; 'vela', [to furl one's sails]; of the spirits, [to depress]. Hence partic. contractus -a -um, [contracted, narrowed, straitened]; of persons, [retired, quiet]. consonus -a -um [sounding together , harmonious, accordant, suitable]. habito -are transit. , [to inhabit]; intransit., [to dwell]. per prep. with acc.: of space , [through, along, over]; sometimes [before, in the presence of]; of time, [throughout, during; in the course of, in a time of]; of means or instrument, [through, by, by means of, with, by way of]; of cause, [because of, on account of]; 'per me licet', [you may as far as I'm concerned]; in entreaties, oaths, etc., [in the name of]. verbum -i n. [a word]; 'verbum facere' , [to speak]; 'uno verbo', [in a word, briefly]; 'ad verbum', [word for word]; 'verbi causa', [for example]; grammat. [a verb]; [an expression, saying; mere words, talk]: 'verba dare homini', [to cheat a person]. de prep. with abl. (1) in space , [down from, away from]. Transf., [coming from] an origin; [taken from] a class or stock, [made from] a material, [changed from] a previous state; of information, [from] a source. (2) in time, [following from, after; in the course of, during]. (3) [about] a subject; [on account of] a cause; [according to] a standard presenti matrimonium -i n. [marriage]. coniunx (coniux) -iugis c. [a husband or wife]; poet. , [a betrothed virgin, bride].

Tim, Thanks for the information on the FINNERTYs and COONEYs. I have a mention of a few of these people but haven't been able to tie them in yet. I may be closer now with the information you found. Which St. Joseph's Church records do you have? St. Joseph's in Fullerton, Baltimore County is the church that I belonged to for the first 22 years of my life. I've been trying to translate the paragraph of Latin with a dictionary with little or no results. But the perfect solution is to take or email the selection to Roman Catholic priest!! Mary Ellen, in MD

Thanks Kathi, I have all but what the 1st part to the marriage record says at the beginning. ** Ego infrasoriplus _____ missis _____ denuntiationibus et mutrio contrahentium consonsu habito, per verba de presenti matrimonio conjunxi ____persons name_____ . ** ******************************* This is the meaning I need *** Tim *** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathi Jones-Hudson" <mdcat.geo@yahoo.com> To: <BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:32 PM Subject: [BALTGEN-L] Help with Meanings : Tim: : : All terms are those used in post-1870 Catholic : marriage and/or baptism records/ Check out MSA for : terms used in Lutheran and Catholic baptisms & : marriages : http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/refserv/html/churchguide.html : : 1. "matrimonio conjunxi". Conjunxi: Name of the Groom : : 2. Ex loco: Birth place of the father ("et loco" is : birthplace of mother). : : 3. Filuim: Names of the Groom's parents : : 4. Et: Name of the Mother. (ex is name of father) : : 5. Filiam: names of the Bride's parents : : 6. Praesentibus testibus: Names of the Witnesses : : : : ===== : Kathi Jones-Hudson : MD Tombstone Transcription Project Manager : http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/maryland.html : : __________________________________________________ : Do You Yahoo!? : Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes : http://autos.yahoo.com : : : ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== : The Maryland Genealogical Society: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsgs :