I tried the web site and I got a message that it could not find it. Shirley

Thank you so much for posting this Mary. I located my gr-great grandfather, a baker, Keehne Augustus, cor. Washington and Canton Avenue. There are a few others that I have occuptations for that I will check and also will try using the Find option to locate other surnames. Thanks again. Karen

Bayview was in the area of the City Hospital on Eastern avenue. It is now owned by John Hopkins Hospital. It is on the left side east of Ponca Street on Eastern Ave. I believe in the beginning it was for people having tuberculosis. Hope this helps.

With many thanks to Mary for bringing this URL to our attention, if you fiddle with it and change it to http://www.ls.net/~newriver/md/ you can dig furthur. Bill in NJ Macago@aol.com wrote: > This page is for Thomson's Mercantile & Professional Directory, Baltimore > City 1851 & 1852. > http://www.ls.net/~newriver/md/mdthom1851.htm > > It has everything listed from agents, photographers, merchants, umbrella > dealers, florists, hotels keepers, silver ware manufactuers, book binders, > womens shoe makers, you name it. It is a real whose who of the city. > > Hope you find one of your ancestors listed there! > Mary > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > Please make sure the options in your E mail program disables quoting the > message in HTML when posting to any Roots-L mailing list.

This page is for Thomson's Mercantile & Professional Directory, Baltimore City 1851 & 1852. http://www.ls.net/~newriver/md/mdthom1851.htm It has everything listed from agents, photographers, merchants, umbrella dealers, florists, hotels keepers, silver ware manufactuers, book binders, womens shoe makers, you name it. It is a real whose who of the city. Hope you find one of your ancestors listed there! Mary

For everyone's interest, I just went through 121 pages of 1930 census images, District 652, Baltimore City and about 3/4 of the pages were blank. Shirley Akins Brown

Bayview was known as Bayview Asylum and Hospital. Shirley Akins Brown

To All - The following genealogy website is listed below and needs your assistance to make it a success. http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?State=md&County=harford I am serving as the Coordinator of the above webpage. A lot of information address' need to be added to help those of you far away from Harford County to find out who to contact. Sincerely Chris Smithson

I am trying to find some information on Charles Hill Brown, wife Eliza, maybe from Kent County, Maryland. They may have had more than two children, Charles Carlton Brown (born around 1895) and Ardie (female). I believe they were living in Baltimore County, Maryland, around the area now known as Long Green Valley at least from about 1900-1930. Charles Carlton Brown married Ada Cannon and they had children Pauline, Virginia, Carlton and Charles, Jr. If anyone has any info, please contact me. Thank you. Shirley Akins Brown

From what my friend says, yes St.Vincent De Paul is a part of the Catholic organization. My guess about Bayview would be an old folks home or poor farm.I know there was a poor farm in Jackson County at one time but don't know the name of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Pettiss" <pettissmj@wirefire.com> To: <BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: [BALTGEN-L] Bayview? > I found an article written about my > great-great-grandfather, Francis Bibleheiser, after he died > in 1937. It said he was a member of the St. Vincent De > Paul Society, and that for 50 years he visited the people > at Bayview on Sundays and holidays, with gifts of tobacco > (sure wouldn't find that today!), candy, and magazines. > I would guess the St. Vincent De Paul Society is associated > with the Catholic Church - please correct me if I'm wrong. > > Is/was Bayview a hospital or some other institution? > Thanks - > Mary Pettiss > Parkersburg, WV > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb/MDGenWeb page for Anne Arundel Co. - 350 Years of Settlement > 1649-1999 > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdannear >

I found an article written about my great-great-grandfather, Francis Bibleheiser, after he died in 1937. It said he was a member of the St. Vincent De Paul Society, and that for 50 years he visited the people at Bayview on Sundays and holidays, with gifts of tobacco (sure wouldn't find that today!), candy, and magazines. I would guess the St. Vincent De Paul Society is associated with the Catholic Church - please correct me if I'm wrong. Is/was Bayview a hospital or some other institution? Thanks - Mary Pettiss Parkersburg, WV

Hello Tim, Would you please check for me and tell me if your book has any Hoofnagle or variation of that spelling? Most variants would probably be Hofnagle Hufnagle, Huffnagle. (sometimes with an "el at the end instead of "le") Thank you very much in advance. You do a wonderful job of helping so many people and it is more then appreciated. Sincerely, Dee Gabler

Ok Imogene, Here is the info............. FOWBLE, Saloami; b. 2/12/1801 * Bap. 2/27/1801 * Parents: Peter and Elizabeth FOWBLE. FOWBLE, Julianne; b. 1/5/104 * Bap. 3/8/1804 * Parents: Peter and Elizabeth FOWBLE. There are other given names, but not connected to Peter. KLEINFELTER, Elizabeth; b. 8/19/1796 * Bap. 10/11/1796 * Parents: Jacob and Julianne KLEINFELTER. That was the only entries for those names in the book. Tim Robinson ************* ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Old Otterbein Church, Conway & Sharp Streets, Baltimore : I am interested in the Peter Fowble and Jacob Kleinfelter name in the : above church records. : : Imogene Sawvell Davis : Grove, Oklahoma :

Thank you to all who responded! Mary

The congregation was organized in 1771 and elected the Rev.Benedict Schwope as its 1st pastor (1771-1774). Charter members came largely from the First Reformed Church. On August 7, 1771, for ninety pounds in Maryland currency ($240.30) trustees Conrad Smith, John Stover, and Valentine Larch took title to four lots on what was then called "Howards Hill". In October of that year a chapel was erected on Conway St. (razed in 1785 to make way for the present brick structure, probably Baltimore's oldest Church building.) The site commanded an unobstructed view of he harbor which at that time came across what are now Light and Charles Streets to within a half block of Hanover Street. The ground was purchased from the General John Eager Howard Estate. Today the Church stands close to railroad yards, Interstate 395 and the recently constructed Festival Hall. Before the advent of the Baltimore and Ohio Freight yards a stream of water flowed nearby, creating much marsh land. The stream is still there, but runs deep underground through a great culvert. The congregation assumed the name of "The German Evangelical Reformed Church." The word "evangelical" was used to indicate not merely the evangelical and spiritual character of the congregation, but it's independence. When the Reformed Church in the famous lawsuit of 1842-6 tried to possess the property, the decision was handed down in favor of the Otterbein Church because of that word, "Evangelical" denoting its independence. The reason the congregation did not call themselves United Brethren is that the United Brethren Church was not organized until 1800. The Church, however, has from the beginning been United Brethern (now Evangelical United Brethren ) and has never had any but pastors of that denomination. This was one of the last requests of Bishop Otterbein, pastor from 1774 until his death in 1813. Tim Robinson *************

I have a photograph that I took in 1999 of Old Otterbein. I remember when I first drove into the city from the airport I was trying to figure my way around the city on a Sunday afternoon. Suddenly out of nowhere there it was - Old Otterbein :) - right in the middle of all these modern structures. A wonderful nod to historical Baltimore. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~zimzip/balto/churches3.htm#otterbein An enlarged view of the church can be found at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~zimzip/balto/otterbein.htm Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Robinson" <trobinson42@comcast.net> To: <BALTGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 7:30 PM Subject: [BALTGEN-L] Begginings of Otterbein Church > The congregation was organized in 1771 and elected the Rev.Benedict Schwope > as its 1st pastor (1771-1774). Charter members came largely from the First > Reformed Church. On August 7, 1771, for ninety pounds in Maryland currency > ($240.30) trustees Conrad Smith, John Stover, and Valentine Larch took title > to four lots on what was then called "Howards Hill". In October of that > year a chapel was erected on Conway St. (razed in 1785 to make way for the > present brick structure, probably Baltimore's oldest Church building.) The > site commanded an unobstructed view of he harbor which at that time came > across what are now Light and Charles Streets to within a half block of > Hanover Street. The ground was purchased from the General John Eager Howard > Estate. Today the Church stands close to railroad yards, Interstate 395 and > the recently constructed Festival Hall. Before the advent of the Baltimore > and Ohio Freight yards a stream of water flowed nearby, creating much marsh > land. The stream is still there, but runs deep underground through a great > culvert. > > The congregation assumed the name of "The German Evangelical Reformed > Church." The word "evangelical" was used to indicate not merely the > evangelical and spiritual character of the congregation, but it's > independence. When the Reformed Church in the famous lawsuit of 1842-6 > tried to possess the property, the decision was handed down in favor of the > Otterbein Church because of that word, "Evangelical" denoting its > independence. The reason the congregation did not call themselves United > Brethren is that the United Brethren Church was not organized until 1800. > The Church, however, has from the beginning been United Brethern (now > Evangelical United Brethren ) and has never had any but pastors of that > denomination. This was one of the last requests of Bishop Otterbein, pastor > from 1774 until his death in 1813. > > Tim Robinson > ************* > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb/MDGenWeb page for Anne Arundel Co. - 350 Years of Settlement > 1649-1999 > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdannear > >

Tim, Thank you for passing along that information. I think Old Otterbein was a spin off of First German Reformed Church (aka Second Street German Reformed Church). In the early 1770s a split within the congregation led a group to form Second Reformed, which later became Old Otterbein. Some of the names included in Old Otterbein's early Membership List may well have ties prior to 1771 to First German Reformed. That would be another good source to check out. For more information about First German Reformed visit: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~zimzip/balto/churches2.htm#first Karen ============================================= "Family Ties" http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~zimzip Including: "Field Trip: Baltimore","Field Trip:St.Louis", "Zimmerman/Zimmermann Database in Wisconsin" and "KaylorDatabase in Maryland", plus Chuck & Marcelle Keehne's Golden Anniversary Site Karen Keehne Zimmerman zimzip@attbi.com zimzip@yahoo.com ==============================================

>From the records of Old Otterbein Church, Conway & Sharp Streets, Baltimore, Maryland Membership Lists Whatever records were kept from 1771 - 1785 are lost. However, by their names being on legal documents connected with the purchase of the ground, and by the reference to their names found in the old histories, it is quite certain that the following were members in 1771, or within a year thereafter: Pastor Benedict SCHWOPE......................Conrad SMITH John STOVER..........................................Valentine LARSH George DAGEN. 1785 On the first of January, 1785, Pastor OTTERBEIN submitted a document for the government of the Church and had all the male members of legal age sign it. Fifty-four adult males signed their names. Since each man represented a family, it is quite easily possible the real membership at the time was 250 or more. The names on this list were: The Vestry --- P.W.OTTERBEIN....................... Philip BIER Leonard HARBAUGH.................. William BAKER Heinrich WEIDNER...................... Abraham LORSH Peter HOFFMAN MEYER, George; DAGAN, George; WELSH, Jacob; SCHULTZ, Johannes; SLAGEL, Christian; DEVILBLISS, George; UHRIG, Jacob; WAHL, Johannes; OSTER, Philip; LERUH, Johann George; SCHMAL, Jacob-( Architect of the building ); RESSLER, Matthaus; DOHNER, Henrich; KNAACK, Christian Friedrich; CRONMILLER, Thomas; GROBB, Andreas; MEYER, Jacob; SCHOHN, Peter; BERGMAN, Peter; BECKER, Heinrich; ZOLLIKOFER, Johan Conrad; TOOL, Thomas; CRUSE, Jacob; KONIG, Thomas; SCHMIDT, Jacob; FOLTZ, Wilhelm; NEUMAN, Jacob; REHMAN, Daniel; MATTHIA, Christian; BOCK, Johannes; ZUMWALD, Gottfried; SCHROEDER, Jacob; KAMMERLY, Jacpb; SUSENOB, Adam; BENDER, Jacob; SOMVALT, George; SCHRAER, Ludwig; HEITMAN, Herrman; GIMBEL, Heinrich; GROB, Peter; GROB, Michael; RAUMEL, Thomas Arnold; LAHUM, Franz; KLEINFELTER, Jacob; FREY, Samuel; KNATZ, Jacob; FOWBLE, Peter. We have no way of knowing if all the above men signed their name on the same day. It is quite possible some of the names were added even years later. **** So this is another source of material that if anyone needs a look-up, it can be accomplished. This has a record of childs name, dob, baptized, & parents names. Then it also has names with dates of death's included, amoung other things. Tim Robinson Baltimore, Maryland *****************

I'm not terribly knowledgably about naturalizations, but I know that it could be done in a number of different courts - including county courts. There are naturalizations done in Harford and Cecil County courts, so I would assume the same is true for Baltimore and other Maryland counties. One of the difficult things with naturalizations is pinning down which courts to check. Also, individuals could file an Intent for naturalization and then be naturalized in an entirely different state. I don't understand all I don't know about the naturalization processes. Mary Timothy Robinson wrote: > Can someone answer this very good question posted to me from Kathryn, > > >> Actually my question to you: Did people have to come to Baltimore to > get their naturalization papers? or could they get them in the county they > lived in.

Can someone answer this very good question posted to me from Kathryn, as I am trying to obtain more material on early Baltimore, so I can feel com- fortable answering something like this....... Tim **** >> Actually my question to you: Did people have to come to Baltimore to get their naturalization papers? or could they get them in the county they lived in. Thanks anyway for getting back to me. Kathryn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Robinson" <trobinson42@comcast.net> To: "Kathryn Riley" <kriley@carr.org <<<<