Hi, I know of a person having the same problems. They use hotmail--if I am thinking right hotmail is part of msn. I believe it is a msn/aol issue. There is a list where you can ask about aol problems:-). http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html It's purpose is the aol vs Rootsweb problems but aol issues of all kinds are accepted. margy ----- Original Message ----- From: "mona everett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: [BALTGEN-L] Off-topic--AOL problem? > Sorry, List, but I am wondering if anyone else is having difficulty > sending emails to folks with AOL? I am receiving emails from AOL users, > but my emails to them are bouncing--first as "delays," then as "failures." > This has been going on for over a month now. > > One person told me it was because AOL upgraded their security. Does anyone > have a fix for this problem? Or is it coming from my end? I am using MSN > and it only happens with emails I send to AOL people. > > Thanks for any suggestions--it is frustrating to reply to someone from the > list and then have them (probably) think I am ignoring them. > > Mona > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > Please note that hitting reply will send your response to the entire list. > Please respond to people privately and not through the list unless your > response > contains information of general interest. > >

--WebTV-Mail-22302-2497 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Mary, ENGE,-On October 6, 1918, EMMA A., in her 74th year, beloved wife of Carl Theodore Enge. Funeral will take place from her daughter's residence, Mrs. Jacob Muhly. No. 29 East West street, Wednesday, October 9, at 11 A.M.. Interment (private) im Immanuel Cemetery, Lauraville. Hope this will help you in your search. Etta --WebTV-Mail-22302-2497 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpinvite-3302.bay.webtv.net (209.240.205.170) by storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:12:35 -0800 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.18.41]) by smtpinvite-3302.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id CC02DE106 for <[email protected]>; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from [email protected]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id jAKF6ZUi025939; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:06:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:06:35 -0700 X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Sun Nov 20 08:06:35 2005 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:08:06 -0500 From: "Mary Vincent" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [BALTGEN-L] Obits, Baltimore Sun, October 8, 1918] In-reply-to: <[email protected]> Old-To: <[email protected]> Message-id: <[email protected]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.16.34 Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/19125 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive I am interest in the obit for Enge, Emma A. October 8th 1918. Thank you in advance. Mary Vincent -----Original Message----- From: Treenut [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BALTGEN-L] Obits, Baltimore Sun, October 8, 1918] If interested in full text of any of these obits, contact Etta, and include date of newspaper with your request. A - M ABBOTT, J. Webster ADAMS. Mary E. S. ALLISON, Maud BAYNE, Fannie L. BAYNE, Margaret E. BENTZ, Roy W. BRANTIGAN, Helen W. BROCKMEYER, John J. CLARDY, Ella COHEE, Margaret M. COPPENGER, John J. COSTIN, Charles Edward CRAIG, Charles B. DEGENHARD, Elizabeth DIVER, Agnes Mabel Worthington DOSTNER, Edna Viola DREXLER, Ferdinand DULEY, Helen L. ELLIOTT, William J. C. ENGE, Emma A. FETTER. John G. FELL, Francis Then FLOOD, Private James B. FOERTSCHBECK, Annie FRUEND, Annie R. GORMAN, Mary Alice GRIFFITH, Walter GRIMES, Elsie Horton GUNZELMAN, Catherine Marie HALL, Harry N. HANSON, Albert W. HARTMEYER, Charles HOHMAN, Joseph J. HUTCHINS, Ruth Stratton JONES, Rosa A. KLEPLINGER, Lucy A. KIESEL, John V. KINES. William B., Jr. KIRSCH, Margaret LANMAN, Elizabeth Batell LESSENCO, Betty LIVERS. Anna M. LUEBEHUESEN, Pauline Burmeister MADDEN, Mary C. MAENNER, Anna MARKS, Mabel G. McHUGH, Patrick McKELVEY, James Turner MICHEL, Ernest H. MILLER, Gustav MILLER. Howard F. MOONEY. Virginia May MORGAN, Harvey F. NORWOOD, Willam F. MURPHY, Katie MURRAY, Private Edward A. MOSES. Hortense Guggenheimer Kathy for Etta [email protected] ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== The Maryland Genealogical Society web site is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsgs ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== USGenWeb/MDGenWeb site for Carroll Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdcarrol USGenWeb/MDGenWeb site for Howard Co.http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdhoward --WebTV-Mail-22302-2497--

--WebTV-Mail-28564-1814 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Judy, Thank you for responding and the kind words. My problem has been solved. A partial list of the October 8, 1918, obits was posted yesterday afternoon. I'm happy that I can at least give those in other States the opportunity to check to see if one if their relatives from Maryland is listed. Etta --WebTV-Mail-28564-1814 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpinvite-3302.bay.webtv.net (209.240.205.170) by storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:19:21 -0800 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.18.41]) by smtpinvite-3302.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C1C3FE112 for <[email protected]>; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:19:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from [email protected]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id jAJDDOic008105; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:13:24 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:13:24 -0700 X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Sat Nov 19 06:13:24 2005 From: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:13:06 EST Old-To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6811 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.16.34 Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/19096 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Subject: [BALTGEN-L] Re: BALTGEN-D Digest V05 #194 X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive Thanks to Etta for this great service. The obits are really important to those of us who don't live in Maryland. Judy ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== USGenWeb/MDGenWeb site for Carroll Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdcarrol USGenWeb/MDGenWeb site for Howard Co.http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdhoward --WebTV-Mail-28564-1814--

Sorry, List, but I am wondering if anyone else is having difficulty sending emails to folks with AOL? I am receiving emails from AOL users, but my emails to them are bouncing--first as "delays," then as "failures." This has been going on for over a month now. One person told me it was because AOL upgraded their security. Does anyone have a fix for this problem? Or is it coming from my end? I am using MSN and it only happens with emails I send to AOL people. Thanks for any suggestions--it is frustrating to reply to someone from the list and then have them (probably) think I am ignoring them. Mona

I am interest in the obit for Enge, Emma A. October 8th 1918. Thank you in advance. Mary Vincent -----Original Message----- From: Treenut [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BALTGEN-L] Obits, Baltimore Sun, October 8, 1918] If interested in full text of any of these obits, contact Etta, and include date of newspaper with your request. A - M ABBOTT, J. Webster ADAMS. Mary E. S. ALLISON, Maud BAYNE, Fannie L. BAYNE, Margaret E. BENTZ, Roy W. BRANTIGAN, Helen W. BROCKMEYER, John J. CLARDY, Ella COHEE, Margaret M. COPPENGER, John J. COSTIN, Charles Edward CRAIG, Charles B. DEGENHARD, Elizabeth DIVER, Agnes Mabel Worthington DOSTNER, Edna Viola DREXLER, Ferdinand DULEY, Helen L. ELLIOTT, William J. C. ENGE, Emma A. FETTER. John G. FELL, Francis Then FLOOD, Private James B. FOERTSCHBECK, Annie FRUEND, Annie R. GORMAN, Mary Alice GRIFFITH, Walter GRIMES, Elsie Horton GUNZELMAN, Catherine Marie HALL, Harry N. HANSON, Albert W. HARTMEYER, Charles HOHMAN, Joseph J. HUTCHINS, Ruth Stratton JONES, Rosa A. KLEPLINGER, Lucy A. KIESEL, John V. KINES. William B., Jr. KIRSCH, Margaret LANMAN, Elizabeth Batell LESSENCO, Betty LIVERS. Anna M. LUEBEHUESEN, Pauline Burmeister MADDEN, Mary C. MAENNER, Anna MARKS, Mabel G. McHUGH, Patrick McKELVEY, James Turner MICHEL, Ernest H. MILLER, Gustav MILLER. Howard F. MOONEY. Virginia May MORGAN, Harvey F. NORWOOD, Willam F. MURPHY, Katie MURRAY, Private Edward A. MOSES. Hortense Guggenheimer Kathy for Etta [email protected] ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== The Maryland Genealogical Society web site is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsgs

It was all up to the person doing the photographs. Some people had patience and did all the photographs correctly. Some did not. This makes it very difficult for those of us doing our research, but it is better than nothing. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "lee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [BALTGEN-L] Question about the census > At 09:54 AM 11/19/2005, you wrote: >>[email protected] > > Sometimes they have the link to the page messed up, previously if you > clicked to the left on the person it would have the real page number in > the brief extract of data, so you could find the person, but when they > redid their interface they seemed to have deleted this info for some > years, hopefully not all. But yes I have had cases where when you clicked > on the right it took you to the wrong page. > > Lee > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb/MDGenWeb page for Anne Arundel Co. - 350 Years of Settlement > 1649-1999 > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdannear > >

At 09:54 AM 11/19/2005, you wrote: >[email protected] Sometimes they have the link to the page messed up, previously if you clicked to the left on the person it would have the real page number in the brief extract of data, so you could find the person, but when they redid their interface they seemed to have deleted this info for some years, hopefully not all. But yes I have had cases where when you clicked on the right it took you to the wrong page. Lee

I had not thought about stealing the identity of a deceased person, although I know it has happened. Something to think about. I think I might see about having my father's death registered somewhere. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: [BALTGEN-L] Re: BALTGEN-D Digest V05 #195 > In a message dated 11/19/2005 7:00:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > >> Subject: Question about Social Security Death Index >> >> I was trying to find a relative on the SSDI and wondered why he wasn't >> there. Is there a reason that I am missing why a person would not be >> listed there >> if they died in 1960. Would it be because he was self employed or a >> government worker. > > Hi Gail, > It was not required by law to report deaths to Social Security. I am > not > sure if there is a new law to require reporting but it wasn't in 1960 > For the most part the reason deaths are reported is to > 1. stop a check > 2. start a check (dependent children and widows) > 3. receive other federal benefits (burial expenses) > 4. prevent identity theft of the deceased > > > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > The Baltgen-L list focuses on GENEALOGY research for > Baltimore, Anne Arundel, Harford, and Howard Cos. MD > >

I am not sure, but I wonder if members of the Latter Day Saints (Mormons) collect Social Security, although they may pay into it. I remember hearing something to that effect. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "mona everett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [BALTGEN-L] Question about Social Security Death Index > Hi, > > Also, I know that some teachers (for instance in CA) and most ministers do > not pay into SS, so would not likely be listed. > > Mona > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > Please Check Our New web site for the BALTGEN-L mailing list. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdbaltim/baltgen-l.htm > >

It is really nice to know all the reasons that someone might not be listed on SSDI. When I first learned of the site, I thought that everyone who had died after about 1935 would be on it. Sure is awakening to find I was so wrong. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "mona everett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [BALTGEN-L] Question about Social Security Death Index > Hi, > > Also, I know that some teachers (for instance in CA) and most ministers do > not pay into SS, so would not likely be listed. > > Mona > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > Please Check Our New web site for the BALTGEN-L mailing list. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdbaltim/baltgen-l.htm > >

In a message dated 11/19/2005 7:00:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Subject: Question about Social Security Death Index > > I was trying to find a relative on the SSDI and wondered why he wasn't > there. Is there a reason that I am missing why a person would not be listed there > if they died in 1960. Would it be because he was self employed or a > government worker. Hi Gail, It was not required by law to report deaths to Social Security. I am not sure if there is a new law to require reporting but it wasn't in 1960 For the most part the reason deaths are reported is to 1. stop a check 2. start a check (dependent children and widows) 3. receive other federal benefits (burial expenses) 4. prevent identity theft of the deceased

--WebTV-Mail-4161-1499 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Monica, Thank you for responding. Your kind words were appreciated. Problem has now been solved. A partial obit list for October 8, 1918 has been posted. Etta --WebTV-Mail-4161-1499 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpinvite-3301.bay.webtv.net (209.240.205.169) by storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:13:16 -0800 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.18.41]) by smtpinvite-3301.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 76778E108 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from [email protected]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id jAIM83ci015164; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:08:03 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:08:03 -0700 X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Fri Nov 18 15:08:03 2005 From: [email protected] Old-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BALTGEN-L] Re: OBITS from the Baltimore Sun Sept./Oct. 1918 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:07:55 +0000 Message-Id: <1118200522[email protected]att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 10 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bS5tdWxsaWtpbkBhdHQubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.16.34 Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/19091 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive I subscribe to BALTGEN and several others too, because I receive your lists more than once. Your work is appreciated, and I can certainly understand how time consuming this must be. Thanks. -- Monica Mullikin Goose Creek, South Carolina -------------- Original message from [email protected] (Etta Riley): -------------- > > I would like some feedback on the next > Obit List for October 8, 1918. I just > copied by hand the next list to be posted > and there are 156 names. I only work on > my WEBTV and when I post these names I have to type it 4 times to cover > the four websites. I was wondering if everyone subscribes to > BALTGEN-L.If you don't, would you mind subscribing to this website until > I complete these obits. My days are getting busier now that the > holidays are approaching. I just don't have the time to type a list of > 156 obits > 4 times. I will probably break this list of > 156 down to three lists. The Flu Epidemic > is taking its toll. > > > Please let me know if the majority of you subscribe to BALTGEN-L. > > Thank you. > > Etta > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > Please note that hitting reply will send your response to the entire list. > Please respond to people privately and not through the list unless your response > contains information of general interest. > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb/MDGenWeb page for Baltimore Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdbaltim --WebTV-Mail-4161-1499--

One more thing about SSDI. My father did not receive benefits as he was self employed and did not pay in enough. He had a social security card, but when he died Social Security was not notified as he did not draw benefits. I went to Social Security to find out why he was not listed on the SSDI lists and was advised that they did not know he was dead as no request for benefits was made. I do not know if SS was then notified of his death or not. I did not notify them as they would not have put his death on the list and I didn't know if they had any other places to put his death or not. Hope this will clarify some questions, if not write. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "LGaia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [BALTGEN-L] Question about Social Security Death Index > Gail: > People are not listed on the SSDI if their families do not apply for the > death benefit for their family member. In that case perhaps your relative > was not listed. > Letty > [email protected] > > > [email protected] wrote: > >>I was trying to find a relative on the SSDI and wondered why he wasn't >>there. Is there a reason that I am missing why a person would not be >>listed there if they died in 1960. Would it be because he was self >>employed or a government worker. I don't believe either is true for him >>... just don't know. >> >>Harry Oltman b. abt 1885 died May 2, 1960 >>Living on South Glover Street in Baltimore when he died. >> >>His wife, Minnie Bawell Oltman is listed. She died October 29, 1986 in >>Miami. >> >>Thank you for any help on this question. Gail >> >> >>==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== >>Please make sure the options in your E mail program disables quoting the >>message in HTML when posting to any Roots-L mailing list. >> >> >> > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb/MDGenWeb site for Carroll Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdcarrol > USGenWeb/MDGenWeb site for Howard Co.http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdhoward > >

Hi, Also, I know that some teachers (for instance in CA) and most ministers do not pay into SS, so would not likely be listed. Mona

Yes, I did and it still wasn't there. My grandmother got the death benefit, and while she had her own SSN and never in her life worked a day outside her home, she is listed in the SSDI. Go figure!! -- Monica Mullikin Goose Creek, South Carolina -------------- Original message from [email protected]: -------------- > > Yes, there are any number of reasons. Another would be that no one filed > for the death benefit. If you know the SSN, did you search just using the > number? > > Norm > > > In a message dated 11/19/2005 11:55:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I think there are any number of reasons people do not show up on the SSDI, > and some of those reasons we will never know. I had an uncle who was killed at > work in 1967. He had a SSN, and was the sole support of his mother, my > grandmother. My grandmother received benefits under his SSN for years until her > death, but my uncle does not show up on the SSDI. > -- > Monica Mullikin > Goose Creek, South Carolina > > > -------------- Original message from [email protected]: -------------- > > > > > > Only computerized records are included in the SSDI. I don't know the exact > > date but there probably is none. It probably depends upon the date the > > record was processed rather than the date of death. For example, the > number of > > records processed each year from 1960 to 1963 are as follows: > > > > 1960 90,449 > > 1961 99,128 > > 1962 300,621 > > 1963 656,515 > > > > Norm > > > > > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > The Maryland Genealogical Society web site is: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdsgs >

If interested in full text of any of these obits, contact Etta, and include date of newspaper with your request. A - M ABBOTT, J. Webster ADAMS. Mary E. S. ALLISON, Maud BAYNE, Fannie L. BAYNE, Margaret E. BENTZ, Roy W. BRANTIGAN, Helen W. BROCKMEYER, John J. CLARDY, Ella COHEE, Margaret M. COPPENGER, John J. COSTIN, Charles Edward CRAIG, Charles B. DEGENHARD, Elizabeth DIVER, Agnes Mabel Worthington DOSTNER, Edna Viola DREXLER, Ferdinand DULEY, Helen L. ELLIOTT, William J. C. ENGE, Emma A. FETTER. John G. FELL, Francis Then FLOOD, Private James B. FOERTSCHBECK, Annie FRUEND, Annie R. GORMAN, Mary Alice GRIFFITH, Walter GRIMES, Elsie Horton GUNZELMAN, Catherine Marie HALL, Harry N. HANSON, Albert W. HARTMEYER, Charles HOHMAN, Joseph J. HUTCHINS, Ruth Stratton JONES, Rosa A. KLEPLINGER, Lucy A. KIESEL, John V. KINES. William B., Jr. KIRSCH, Margaret LANMAN, Elizabeth Batell LESSENCO, Betty LIVERS. Anna M. LUEBEHUESEN, Pauline Burmeister MADDEN, Mary C. MAENNER, Anna MARKS, Mabel G. McHUGH, Patrick McKELVEY, James Turner MICHEL, Ernest H. MILLER, Gustav MILLER. Howard F. MOONEY. Virginia May MORGAN, Harvey F. NORWOOD, Willam F. MURPHY, Katie MURRAY, Private Edward A. MOSES. Hortense Guggenheimer Kathy for Etta [email protected]

I found this on the web, people who are exempted from paying SS or else can opt out because of partipating in certain pension plans: Groups not required to pay Social Security. There are a number of groups of workers who are exempted from Social Security taxes: 1. Federal employees hired before 1984 who elected to continue to participate in the federal retirement program instead of receiving part of their retirement under Social Security coverage. 2. State or local government workers participating in their employers' alternative retirement system. 3. Ministers may choose whether or not they will participate in the Social Security program. 4. Self-employed workers with annual net earnings below $400. Election workers earning $1,000 or less a year. 5. Household workers earning less than $1,100 per year. 6. Minor children with earnings from household work but for whom household work is not their principal occupation. 7. College students working at their school. 8. Individuals who are members of certain religious groups such as the Amish and Mennonites. 9. Some primary and secondary school educators have their own pension and disability insurance system that predates Social Security. They are allowed to pay into their own system instead of the government system. Partly because these funds can be invested in securities, teachers' pension plans tend to be fairly generous. 10. Before the 1983 changes, three counties in Texas (Galveston, Brazoria, and Matagorda) opted out of the system and now use an Alternate Plan, a private pension plan created and administered by First Financial Benefits, Inc. Kathi Jones-Hudson MD Tombstone Transcription Project Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/maryland/maryland.html __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com

I think there are any number of reasons people do not show up on the SSDI, and some of those reasons we will never know. I had an uncle who was killed at work in 1967. He had a SSN, and was the sole support of his mother, my grandmother. My grandmother received benefits under his SSN for years until her death, but my uncle does not show up on the SSDI. -- Monica Mullikin Goose Creek, South Carolina -------------- Original message from [email protected]: -------------- > > Only computerized records are included in the SSDI. I don't know the exact > date but there probably is none. It probably depends upon the date the > record was processed rather than the date of death. For example, the number of > records processed each year from 1960 to 1963 are as follows: > > 1960 90,449 > 1961 99,128 > 1962 300,621 > 1963 656,515 > > Norm > > In a message dated 11/19/2005 8:08:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I was trying to find a relative on the SSDI and wondered why he wasn't > there. Is there a reason that I am missing why a person would not be listed > there > if they died in 1960. Would it be because he was self employed or a > government worker. I don't believe either is true for him ... just don't know. > > Harry Oltman b. abt 1885 died May 2, 1960 > Living on South Glover Street in Baltimore when he died. > > His wife, Minnie Bawell Oltman is listed. She died October 29, 1986 in Miami. > > Thank you for any help on this question. Gail > > > > > > ==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== > Please make sure the options in your E mail program disables quoting the > message in HTML when posting to any Roots-L mailing list. >

Gail: People are not listed on the SSDI if their families do not apply for the death benefit for their family member. In that case perhaps your relative was not listed. Letty [email protected] [email protected] wrote: >I was trying to find a relative on the SSDI and wondered why he wasn't there. Is there a reason that I am missing why a person would not be listed there if they died in 1960. Would it be because he was self employed or a government worker. I don't believe either is true for him ... just don't know. > >Harry Oltman b. abt 1885 died May 2, 1960 >Living on South Glover Street in Baltimore when he died. > >His wife, Minnie Bawell Oltman is listed. She died October 29, 1986 in Miami. > >Thank you for any help on this question. Gail > > >==== BALTGEN Mailing List ==== >Please make sure the options in your E mail program disables quoting the >message in HTML when posting to any Roots-L mailing list. > > > >

While looking up a relative in the 1910 census on Ancestry.com I found the person that I was looking for Henry Oltmann. However, when I view the image he is not on the page that is displayed. I looked on the previous page and the next page and no Henry. Is this a common problem with ancestry.com? Is there somewhere else on the internet that I can find the 1910 Census information? I'm just full of questions this morning. Gail