Craig, I have no more than the list itself and have no idea where information can be found for the referenced page numbers. Most, if not all records have some sort of pages referenced in the bios. As I mentioned to Elizabeth, on her Jean Jose Jansen record the name Leonhard Müller noted in a box labeled "Lit". This box seldom has had an entry and I have only seen it a few times. I hesitate to mention it when it does occur because I can't explain it to people when they question it's meaning. I like to include everything when I answer requests but this "Lit" entry has me puzzled. Can you explain what it could be ? Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Gauger" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:37 AM To: "B-W Roots Web" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index > > It also states he was a political rebel and wanted for quite some time. > In June 1849 he was with a Mannheim resistance group and as Adjutant for > Hochsachsen. On 15 July 1849 he was imprisoned at Heidelberg as a > political rebel. On 14 August 1849 he was a prisoner at the Rastatter > Fort A because of a war betrayal. > > Though this biography in German below is short, he probably believed he > and his comrades were patriots against an unjust enemy. > > I'm guessing there is more to read by the references to page numbers in > the text. I don't know if Marvin has any more knowledge as to where these > can be viewed. C > > > >> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:14:26 +1100 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index >> >> Hello Craig, >> >> Thank you, a sad ending for Jean Josef Jansen. >> >> Elizabeth >> >> On 29/03/2012 1:04 PM, Craig Gauger wrote: >> > >> > It states in the German text that he was shot at 7 am on 20 Oct 1849. >> > >> > >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:46:16 -0500 >> >> Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index >> >> >> >> Elizabeth, >> >> >> >> This is one of the most complete records I have seen. Whenever there >> >> is a >> >> death place and date I always wonder how prisoners were treated once >> >> incarcerated. There are not many records listing deaths so I hope this >> >> guy >> >> came to prison in pretty bad shape, hence his death while there. >> >> Unfortunately, his bio puts to rest the reason for his death in >> >> prison. >> >> >> >> Also, there is a box in all these records that I have never seen >> >> filled in >> >> before this. This record shows the name Müller, Leonhard in the box >> >> which >> >> is titled "Lit". I have no idea what Lit stands for and assume it to >> >> be an >> >> abbreviation of some sort but wonder who Leonhard Müller is and how he >> >> is >> >> connected to Jean Josef Jansen. >> >> >> >> Marvin Hoerig in WI >> >> >> >> >> >> Name-------------------Jansen, Jean Josef >> >> Birth Date ------------- 00.00.1825 >> >> Birth Place------------ >> >> Death Date ------------ 20.10.1849 >> >> Death Place ----------- Rastatt >> >> Record----------------- 40000022085 >> >> Number---------------- 15882 >> >> Name Variation-------- Janzen >> >> Residence------------- Köln >> >> Profession------------- Geometer >> >> Sex--------------------- m >> >> Nationality------------- D >> >> Age--------------------- 24 >> >> Year Incarcerated----- 1849 >> >> Country of Origin----- Preußen >> >> Region----------------- >> >> Revolutionary Army--Militia----------------- >> >> Single------------------ >> >> Married---------------- >> >> Biography------------- Bei der Mannheimer Volkswehr (65 / 11597*: 55). >> >> Im >> >> Juni 1849 als Adjutant in Hohensachsen (276 / 3417: 166). Am 21. und >> >> 22. >> >> Juni 1849 mit der Mannheimer Volkswehr in Ladenburg (N Mone Nr. 26*: >> >> 87). >> >> Die Behörden wollten im Juni 'auf Jansen das Hauptaugenmerk richten' >> >> (234 / >> >> 10210*: 7). Am 15. Juli 1849 als politischer 'Rebell' im Gefängnis in >> >> Heidelberg (236 / 8561*: 14). Gefangener im Rastatter Fort A, wegen >> >> Kriegsverrats am 14. August 1849 vom Standgericht zum Tod durch >> >> Erschießen >> >> verurteilt und am 20. Oktober 1849 um sieben Uhr morgens erschossen >> >> (65 / >> >> 11597*: 55; N Mone Nr. 26*: 87, 96-97, 177, 180, 186-187, 193 f, Nr. >> >> 28: 37, >> >> 102). >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marvin, my suggestion is that a Leonhard Müller mentioned this person in an article or a book. The abbreviation "Lit." is for "Literatur" (printed source), in contrast to "Quelle" (inedited reference). Patricia There is a historian named Leonhard Müller in Karlsruhe http://ka.stadtwiki.net/Leonhard_Müller He is a member of the Arbeitskreis Heimatpflege Regierungsbezirk Karlsruhe e.V. http://www.ak-heimatpflege-ka.de/ His publications http://www.Statistik.Baden-Wuerttemberg.de/LABI/LABI.asp?&K1=2&T1=M%FCller%2C+Leonhard For example Titel: Verlauf und Hintergründe des "Haber-Skandals" : "Straßentumult in Karlsruhe" Verfasser: Müller, Leonhard In: Blick in die Geschichte. - 2007, 77. - S. 2 - 3 -- privat: Metzinger Str. 29 72555 Metzingen (-Neuhausen), BW ============================================================== Patricia Stasch Klassische Archäologin Fax+Anrufbeantworter-Nr: 03212-1102645 (Anruf wird als *.wav, Fax als *.pdf in der eMailbox abgelegt) ============================================================== Zitat von Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]>: > Craig, > > I have no more than the list itself and have no idea where information can > be found for the referenced page numbers. Most, if not all records have > some sort of pages referenced in the bios. > > As I mentioned to Elizabeth, on her Jean Jose Jansen record the name > Leonhard Müller noted in a box labeled "Lit". This box seldom has had an > entry and I have only seen it a few times. I hesitate to mention it when it > does occur because I can't explain it to people when they question it's > meaning. I like to include everything when I answer requests but this "Lit" > entry has me puzzled. Can you explain what it could be ? > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > >

Hello Patricia, Many thanks for the information re Leonard Müller, mentioned in the Raab index. Elizabeth On 30/03/2012 12:59 AM, Patricia Stasch wrote: > > Marvin, > > my suggestion is that a Leonhard Müller mentioned this person in an > article or a book. The abbreviation "Lit." is for "Literatur" (printed > source), in contrast to "Quelle" (inedited reference). > > Patricia > > > There is a historian named Leonhard Müller in Karlsruhe > > http://ka.stadtwiki.net/Leonhard_Müller > > He is a member of the Arbeitskreis Heimatpflege > Regierungsbezirk Karlsruhe e.V. > > http://www.ak-heimatpflege-ka.de/ > > His publications > > http://www.Statistik.Baden-Wuerttemberg.de/LABI/LABI.asp?&K1=2&T1=M%FCller%2C+Leonhard > > For example > Titel: Verlauf und Hintergründe des "Haber-Skandals" : "Straßentumult > in Karlsruhe" > Verfasser: Müller, Leonhard > In: Blick in die Geschichte. - 2007, 77. - S. 2 - 3 > > >