I am new to this list. I am seeking information about these ancestors: PHILLIP WENZEL Born May, 1846 in, depending on which census you’re looking at: Bavaria or Baden or Wurttemberg Came to U.S. circa 1870 (source: various censuses, no passenger record found) Parents John Wenzel and Annie Aaron (according to Long Island City Register of Marriages 1886 upon his marriage to Fredericka Hans) First wife perhaps named Mary? CHRISTOPHER HANS Born circa 1825 in, depending on the source, Longstein (where the heck is that?), Baden, Darmstadt According to family story, came to U.S. in 1860 with wife (Hannah Horn) and 4-year-old daughter Fredericka. According to Fredericka’s marriage record to Phillip Wenzel, her parents’ names were Christopher Hans and Hannah Horn. I’ve been trying to puzzle out the origins of these two families for a while. As an example of the problems - in the 1880 Census, Christopher Hans is listed as born in Longstein, his wife Hannah is listed as born in Baden, and their daughter Fredericka – married and living in a different household – is listed as born in Darmstadt. Oy! If anyone has any ideas, I’d love to hear them. Anne Yard

Hi Anne,   Welcome to the list!   Wenzel is also often seen as Wentzel.  So you might also try that spelling.  In 1846 Germany and France were not the countries we think of today.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_the_German_Confederation   instead it was a loose association of multiple states or duchies with allegiance to various different rulers...    Baden is once Duchy.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Baden   * 1830–1852: Leopold (* 1790; † 1852)  you can see where it it bordered by Hesse Darmstadt and Bavaria.  (Bavaria was considered a kingdom while Hesse Darmstadt another Duchy) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Baden_(1806-1945).png   this map shows how there is an area of Baden that is surrounded by Hesse Darmstadt and Bavaria... this might be a good area to look in....   Possibly your family lived close to all of the borders.   Longstein is a surname in Germany.   I wonder if the place is Lahnstein close to Koblenz?  https://www.google.com/search?q=Lahnstein&rlz=1C1ASUT_enUS485US485&oq=Lahnstein&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3.2513j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8 Hope this was of some help! Laura >________________________________ > From: Anne Yard <anneyp@earthlink.net> >To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:35 AM >Subject: [BW] New list member - Surnames Wenzel, Aaron, Hans, Horn > > >I am new to this list.  I am seeking information about these ancestors: > >PHILLIP WENZEL > >  Born May, 1846 in, depending on which census you’re looking at:  Bavaria or Baden or Wurttemberg > >  Came to U.S. circa 1870 (source: various censuses, no passenger record found) > >  Parents John Wenzel and Annie Aaron (according to Long Island City Register of Marriages 1886 upon his marriage to Fredericka Hans) > >  First wife perhaps named Mary? > > >CHRISTOPHER HANS > >  Born circa 1825 in, depending on the source, Longstein (where the heck is that?), Baden, Darmstadt > >  According to family story, came to U.S. in 1860 with wife (Hannah Horn) and 4-year-old daughter Fredericka. > >  According to Fredericka’s marriage record to Phillip Wenzel, her parents’ names were Christopher Hans and Hannah Horn. > > > >I’ve been trying to puzzle out the origins of these two families for a while.  As an example of the problems - in the 1880 Census, Christopher Hans is listed as born in Longstein, his wife Hannah is listed as born in Baden, and their daughter Fredericka – married and living in a different household – is listed as born in Darmstadt.  Oy! > > >If anyone has any ideas, I’d love to hear them.  > >Anne Yard > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Welcome to the list, Anne! Good luck in your search. Jerrian -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Yard Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:36 AM To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com Subject: [BW] New list member - Surnames Wenzel, Aaron, Hans, Horn I am new to this list. I am seeking information about these ancestors: PHILLIP WENZEL Born May, 1846 in, depending on which census you're looking at: Bavaria or Baden or Wurttemberg Came to U.S. circa 1870 (source: various censuses, no passenger record found) Parents John Wenzel and Annie Aaron (according to Long Island City Register of Marriages 1886 upon his marriage to Fredericka Hans) First wife perhaps named Mary? CHRISTOPHER HANS Born circa 1825 in, depending on the source, Longstein (where the heck is that?), Baden, Darmstadt According to family story, came to U.S. in 1860 with wife (Hannah Horn) and 4-year-old daughter Fredericka. According to Fredericka's marriage record to Phillip Wenzel, her parents' names were Christopher Hans and Hannah Horn. I've been trying to puzzle out the origins of these two families for a while. As an example of the problems - in the 1880 Census, Christopher Hans is listed as born in Longstein, his wife Hannah is listed as born in Baden, and their daughter Fredericka - married and living in a different household - is listed as born in Darmstadt. Oy! If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them. Anne Yard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message