Would that I knew. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bbmay1" <bbmay1@newnorth.net> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Why Ancestors' EMIGRATION Records Might Be Hard to find (Me too) > Sheri, I am in the same boat.Except on my grandfathers it says he had to > renounce William 11. I thought that would help. But with the history of > Germany it wasn't much help. Where do we go from there? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sheri Martin" <elm121147@verizon.net> > To: <mscarlah@earthlink.net>; <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [BW] Why Ancestors' EMIGRATION Records Might Be Hard to Find > (orNon-Existent) :-) > > >>I am now in receipt of the "applications to become a citizen" of both of >>my >> maternal great grandfathers. One is from 1876 the other from 1880. They >> both reference the Emperor of Germany. I have read on this list that >> Germany did not actually exist at that time. Also there is no other >> information of any assistance in locating the town of origin. Any >> further >> suggestions? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carla Heller" <mscarlah@earthlink.net> >> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:57 PM >> Subject: [BW] Why Ancestors' EMIGRATION Records Might Be Hard to Find >> (orNon-Existent) :-) >> >> >>> Dear Baden-Wuerttemberg List Friends, >>> >>> For those who are seeking emigration records or indexes for German >>> ancestors >>> and those who might be coming up empty-handed in the process, here are a >>> few >>> observations that might at least be helpful to know. :-) >>> >>> It is important to keep in mind that emigration (the leaving of one's >>> country of origin to settle in another) was not always motivated by >>> positive >>> circumstances. *While it was the usual procedure* to seek official >>> permission from the local authorities before leaving, many, many >>> emigrants >>> did NOT. For many of them, emigration was the only means to avoid >>> obligatory >>> military service, economic hardship, serious diseases, the ravages of >>> war, >>> revolution, and other compelling situations. Under certain kinds of >>> circumstances, people may have decided not to *publicize* their >>> intention >>> to >>> leave by applying for formal permission beforehand, and left without it. >>> A >>> considerable number of people NEVER obtained this permission, but >>> eventuallyemigrated nonetheless. >>> >>> One of our primary concerns as family researchers is to understand that >>> some >>> of the records or other documents we may look for might *not have ever >>> been >>> created.* Regardless of one's specific reasons for leaving, if an >>> emigrant >>> did NOT formally apply for *permission* to leave, no official record >>> would >>> have been created concerning their emigration, and therefore their names >>> and >>> other information would NOT likely be found in the emigration indexes. >>> This >>> does not necessarily mean you won't find information about their travel >>> in >>> a >>> ships' *passenger departure or arrival lists,* which is sometimes a good >>> alternative if you can't locate emigration permits for them. >>> >>> Remember--EMIGRATION records and ships' PASSENGER LISTS are **NOT** the >>> same >>> things! >>> >>> They were created for different reasons, in separate places, and at >>> different times in the course of a person's emigration and travel. (See >>> the >>> end of this message for some links to information about passenger list >>> research.) >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------------- >>> >>> As to the reasons for European emigration, they were many, and in effect >>> over a long period in the 19th century. As has been mentioned on this >>> list >>> in the past, one factor that led to German emigration was the the >>> unstable >>> political situation in the German states in 1848, following the failed >>> revolutions. Many individuals indeed fled Europe during this time, but >>> their departure in considerable numbers was not limited to that >>> immediate >>> period, nor to that cause. Don't forget that there were various notable >>> wars in the German states over time, and many people emigrated to avoid >>> military service, or the hardships imposed by war. >>> >>> Increases in taxation created economic hardship for many people, and >>> affordable land became scarce with the ever-growing population. >>> Increasing >>> industrialization negatively affected a number of trades, and drove many >>> to >>> the overcrowded cities in search of employment. As available employment >>> progressively declined, many people chose to emigrate to avoid economic >>> problems. Others were attracted to emigrate to the US or other countries >>> because they already had someone there who was benefitting from better >>> employment opportunities or plentiful land to encourage them. Added to >>> unstable European political climates or the threat or reality of war, >>> these >>> and other factors no doubt made the prospect of life in the USA and >>> elsewhere quite promising at the time. >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> For detailed practical help on researching *ships' passenger lists* (and >>> also US Naturalization documents), see Arnie Lang's Immigration, Ships' >>> Passenger Lists & Naturalization Research Guide [excellent step-by-step >>> advice]: >>> >>> http://home.att.net/~arnielang/shipgide.html >>> >>> For more general info on what you might expect to find in *emigration >>> records* (if you can secure them), you might like to visit my Web page >>> on >>> the subject, Research Access/Background for the Baden Emigration Index: >>> >>> http://www.geocities.com/wingedpig.geo/ >>> >>> Hope this helps! :-) >>> >>> Warmest wishes, >>> >>> Carla HELLER, Los Angeles, California USA mscarlah@earthlink.net >>> List Co-Administrator, ROOTSWEB'S Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List >>> ==================================================== >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >