Paul, On 9 Aug 2008 at 19:52, Paul Rands wrote: [...] > I can guess what a Kirchenbuch is, but then I wouldn't know if my > guess is correct. Can list members tell me: 1) What is a > Kirchenbuchduplicat? 2) In Germany, are old Kirchenbuchduplicats > archived in the same place with the Kirchbuchen? If not, then where? > 3) Are the Kirchenbuchduplicats the records that town > archivists/officials typically look at when they answer emails about > our ancestors and which roots tourists sometimes get to peruse when > showing up at city hall? 4) What advantages/disadvantages do > Kirchenbuchduplicats have compared to the Kirchenbuch? 5) Is there > ever a situation when both might be worth looking at instead of just > one of them? 6) What experiences have list members had with > Kirchenbuchduplicaten (pl?) that shed light on my questions? [...] In answering a question about civil records I wrote on this BW-List on July, 18: +++++ About civil records In the the German Empire civil registration were introduced by law in not until 1875. In the time before the German states handled the civil registration separately. In Württemberg the king ordered 1808 that the minister of the church had to act as his registrator of the civil records. In this function the minister had to deliver copies of his records to the administration in Stuttgart. Today these are preserved in the Hauptstaatsarchiv in Stuttgart. +++++ In Baden the situation was quite similiar. The copies in Baden are preserved in the Generallandesarchiv Karlsruhe. If I understand your questions about Kirchenbuchduplicates right, these duplicates are the very copies of the the church books records, I mentioned above which the ministers had to deliver to the state administration. What supports this assumptions is the fact, that the Kirchenbuchduplicates filmes by LDS begin in nearly all cases are beginning in 1808 -1810. Having said that I think most of your five questions are answered herewith. If not please continue to ask. I want to use this opportunity to express my special thanks to you for your highly valuable and profound contributions to our BW-list. I appreciate that very much. Dieter -- Dieter Joos Ueberlingen / Bodensee, Germany Webmaster of RootsWeb's Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List

Dieter, Do you know if LDS ever filmed the records in the Hauptstaatsarchiv in Stuttgart? I just looked at their online library catalog at FamilySearch.org and it appears as though they have overviews of the holdings, but I was not able to find any specific locations listed. Thank you. Richard Hillenbrand On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Dieter Joos <djoos@dieter-joos.de> wrote: > Paul, > > On 9 Aug 2008 at 19:52, Paul Rands wrote: > > +++++ > About civil records > In the the German Empire civil registration were introduced by law in not > until 1875. In the time before the German states handled the civil > registration separately. In Württemberg the king ordered 1808 that the > minister of the church had to act as his registrator of the civil records. > In this function the minister had to deliver copies of his records to the > administration in Stuttgart. Today these are preserved in the > Hauptstaatsarchiv in Stuttgart. > +++++ > >

I'm curious to know if one could search the Archives for a certain person not knowing where the person's village might be. If so I maybe could hire someone to search for me? I would be looking for Jacob ÖHLER born Mar. 1835 Württemberg, Immigrated 1855. I have found no ships record, naturalization record. Thanks. ...Gerry in MO

Hi Gerry, Did Jacob Oehler serve in the Civil War ? If he did and was wounded there may be pension records at the National Archives. Applications for benefits asked for a soldiers home town. My g.grandfather's discharge papers only indicated that he was from Wuerttemberg, but the documents for disability benefits included his village, his wife's village, and testimony of other soldiers regarding his injury and health. There were letters from lawyers, doctors, former neighbors, employers, commanding officers etc. In additon to giving me the village in Germany, I was able to look at his life and those of other American soldiers during the Civil War. One of the letters from a fellow soldier detailed how my g. grandfather sang in the tent with the other soldiers and tried to teach everyone a little German !!! Kathi OTT Williams Researching: EHRLER in Bartenstein, KRAFT, ALLINGER,STEINLE in Lauffen am Neckar, and OTT in Hasburg, Bavaria. ---- Gerry Miller <gmiller@ktis.net> wrote: > I'm curious to know if one could search the Archives for a certain person > not knowing where the person's village might be. If so I maybe could hire > someone to search for me? > > I would be looking for Jacob ÖHLER born Mar. 1835 Württemberg, Immigrated > 1855. I have found no ships record, naturalization record. > > Thanks. > > ...Gerry in MO > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gerry, On Württemberg emigration list I found a Jacob Öhler, 20 years, taylor, single, from the village of Sersheim district Vaihingen/Enz, he emigrated on 28 June 1854. Could he be the right one, even though the dates do not match exactly? Regards Erika -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Gerry Miller Gesendet: Montag, 11. August 2008 00:57 An: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Betreff: [BW] Württemberg Civil Records in Hauptstaatsarchiv in Stuttgart I'm curious to know if one could search the Archives for a certain person not knowing where the person's village might be. If so I maybe could hire someone to search for me? I would be looking for Jacob ÖHLER born Mar. 1835 Württemberg, Immigrated 1855. I have found no ships record, naturalization record. Thanks. ...Gerry in MO ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message