I would like to first compliment Paul on his wonderful explanation of how he went on with the deduction as to which place was the one in question. I am dealing since many years with the same problems - and sometimes with the idea of the people that " but I do have it here on paper" ! Given the times and the abilities of "recorders" and "immigrants" to understand each other in "English" ( whatever we would call that today ) and spell that correctly, ...... I`ve had been barking up many a wrong tree ...! There is one thing I would like to mention. In one of my own U.S. lines I´ve been "handed down" a nice long list of ancestors. Beeing a bit of a stickler for detail, I´ve started to check these data against an LDS film. Sometimes during that I became aware that the film was only a typed excerpt of the actual church registers. For some reason - don´t know what made me do it - I asked the Lutheran archive that held the records, if THEY had any other films about that parish. To my amazement, they not only had another film - that the LDS doesn´t have - but were willing to borrow it to me !!!!!!!!!!!! Working with this filmed originals I finally came into the DEATH part. And lo and behold, .. I´ve found the much acclaimed ancestor who had moved to the US in these records too ... telling me that he died at the age of four ( 4 ) right there in the German parish where he was baptised. The excerpt didn´t mention any death entries - as I´ve seen upon checking it again, ..... So - if you can´t link any ancestor who emmigrated from Europe - withour bending and thisting all data - maybe he/she isn´t the right person for a start. Wilhelm Paul Rands schrieb: > I'm thinking there might be some pennies worth stooping for in the > answers to the questions below--possibly another technique to add to > our quivers. > > Liebe Geschwister, > > When looking for and at microfilms, I've often seen the term > Kirchenbuchduplikat, films of which are often available along side the > Kirchenbuch film or as the only film. I've not paid much attention and > have used the duplikats interchangeably with the Kirchenbuch. Without > thinking much about it, I've assumed it was a second microfilming of > the Kirchenbuch. Today, it struck me that I'm wrong on this assumption. > > I can guess what a Kirchenbuch is, but then I wouldn't know if my > guess is correct. Can list members tell me: > 1) What is a Kirchenbuchduplicat? > 2) In Germany, are old Kirchenbuchduplicats archived in the same place > with the Kirchbuchen? If not, then where? > 3) Are the Kirchenbuchduplicats the records that town > archivists/officials typically look at when they answer emails about > our ancestors and which roots tourists sometimes get to peruse when > showing up at city hall? > 4) What advantages/disadvantages do Kirchenbuchduplicats have compared > to the Kirchenbuch? > 5) Is there ever a situation when both might be worth looking at > instead of just one of them? > 6) What experiences have list members had with Kirchenbuchduplicaten > (pl?) that shed light on my questions? > > What I'm getting at by question #5: If a Kirchenbuchduplicat is a > later, handwritten copy of the original, besides allowing typos* and > omissions to enter into the record, might there also be some additions > (a cross and a death date, an emigration date and destination, as > examples), clarifications or interpretations added by the person doing > the copying? Might the copier also have a more modern handwriting > style and/or write clearer and might the page/ink be in better shape? > But I'm suggesting answers to my own question. The answers to these > questions might provide another way to break through on a > difficult-to-read entry that is holding up one's research. > > Here is the example from the LDS FHL online catalog of microfilm: > > Topic Germany, Baden, Grünwettersbach - Church records > Titles Kirchenbuch, 1649-1963 Evangelische Kirche Grünwettersbach (A. > Durlach) > Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1800-1869 Evangelische Kirche Grünwettersbach (A. > Durlach) > > Thanks in advance, > > Paul > in Portland, Oregon area > where we've had a cool, rainless, summer day. I'm glad we don't get > more of these because everyone would be trying to move here and it > wouldn't be so nice with four or five times the existing population. > Members on the list are always welcome to move here, of course. > > * Would "manos" or "handos" or even "fingos" be a better term for > handwritten mistakes as opposed to type-written mistakes?) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message