On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 Dieter Joos wrote: "About civil records - In the the German Empire civil registration were introduced by law in not until 1875. In the time before the German states handled the civil registration separately. In W?rttemberg the king ordered 1808 that the minister of the church had to act as his registrator of the civil records. In this function the minister had to deliver copies of his records to the administration in Stuttgart. Today these are preserved in the uptstaatsarchiv in Stuttgart. About missing records - It is well known that the present copies of the 'civil' records in the Hauptstaatsarchiv in Stuttgart are not complete. About half of the records are missing as a German researcher found out recently." The films of the Kirchenbuecher of the Catholic Church in Hohenberg-Rosenberg were filmed at the Katholische Volksbüro in Ludwigsburg during December of 1971. Volume 2 of the familien register - the one I need - is missing from the films. Should there also be copies of these church records in the Hauptstaatsarchiv in Stuttgart? I am also attempting to contact the pastor in Rosenberg to ask if he knows whether or not volume 2 exists. Fred Kopfler