-----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Magdaleneseries@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [BW] John and Frederick Warth My father's ancestor was John Warth and when he emigrated to America listed his former nationality and his business as King of Wurttemberg. His brother Frederick also emigrated and listed himself as Emperor of Germany. I have seen the emigration and naturalization papers and this is the only information available. I know this is a long shot but can anyone help me with locating family records. Suzen Warth ======================================================== Dear Suzen & Baden-Wuerttemberg List Friends, I believe Suzen may be looking at information or either immigration or naturalization records which simply identifies her ancestors as then-current or former *subjects* of the King of Wuerttemberg (Wuerttemberg was indeed a kingdom in former times, and there were kings of that nation from 1806-1918) and the Emperor of Germany (known as the Kaiser) (who existed once the German Empire was officially formed in 1871 until 1918.) The name of the ruler of the nation to whom one owed allegiance is commonly expressed information on emigration and other documents, and this information would fluctuate over time, depending upon who was currently reigning. A person who emigrated and eventually became a citizen in another country (such as the USA) would customarily be required to renounce his or her allegiance to his or her former ruler as part of the naturalization process. :-) I hope I am not misinterpreting Suzen's question, and intending absolutely no disrespect to Suzen whatsoever, I feel confident in suggesting that the individuals in question were *not* likely the King of Wuerttemberg or the Emperor of Germany themselves. If they actually were, the genealogy and history of those persons is rather easy to trace (including online), as it has been well-documented; we can also note that the surname of these royals was not WARTH, nor something closely similar. Hope this at least gives Suzen some further food for thought. Good luck! Wishing everyone the best research success, Carla HELLER, Los Angeles, California USA mscarlah@earthlink.net List Co-Administrator, ROOTSWEB'S Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List =============================================================