Jon, I am not sure this is mine, but certain to be related because of the time frame and location. Karl Friedrich Sieber, married (1) to Katharina Margaret Kiefer in 1810. I have no children recorded for this couple. Karl Friedrich married (2) to Jacobine Speck. I have three children recorded: Jakob Friedrich b 1818, Johann Sieber (my ancestor) b 1825 and Christian Sieber b 1827. Johann and Christian emigrated in 1852 on the Sea Queen from LeHavre. I know that Jakob remained in Ruppurr as there are letters. There is a Wilhelm Sieber, born about 1782, brother of Karl Friedrich above, but wouldn't you think he would be of too advanced age to be the Wilhelm in the entry? The physical description fits my Siebers -- color of complexion and eyes, along with stature. Christian settled in Boston and died in the 1880's. I have his naturalization papers. My ancestor John settled in Memphis, TN , married Helena Schelli from Urloffen, and eventually lived in rural Woodruff Co., Arkansas. I would appreciate your sending a copy of the original entry. I'm intrigued. I will follow up with some research on this. Thanks. Wanda ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonbar" <jonbar@tele2.de> To: <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: [BW] Wilhelm Sieber from Rüppurr Wanda, a Wilhelm Sieber from Rüppurr was stripped of his national and local rights 21st February 1853 for deserting from the Baden army. He had deserted and was through a notice in the Badische Anzeigeblatt ordered to report back to the army on 12 December 1852, but because he didn´t do this, he was stripped of his rights. It is almost certain that he emigrated without permission. If this of interest to you, I can send you a picture of the original entry. Jon