Hello Dawn, I have a list of names in Baden in which there are 4 Bernhards listed, so I am not so sure that the surname is so rare. This is just Baden, and there are probably more in other parts of Germany also with several variations.. These names are also widely scattered, Rastadt (Rastatt) and Jestetten are opposite ends of Baden. Bernhard, Bernhard Hügelsheim, Rastadt Vorladung Conscriptionspflichtiger, geboren 1825 1849 72 Bernhard, Christian Präclusiverkenntnisse in Gantsachen 1847 863 Bernhard, Franz Xaver Dettighofen, Jestetten Vorladung Conscriptionspflichtiger, geboren 1825 1849 163 Bernhard, Valentin Schuldenliquidation und Gantedikte 1847 738 Jon

Dawn, Jon, et al, There were a total of 31 Prisoners held at Rastatt during the 1848/49 Revolution. There were: 3 Bernard 22 Bernhard 5 Bernhardt 1 Bernhart Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Scott" <jonbar@tele2.de> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:44 PM To: <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BW] Bernhard > Hello Dawn, > > I have a list of names in Baden in which there are 4 Bernhards > listed, so I am not so sure that the surname is so rare. This is just > Baden, and there are probably more in other parts of Germany also with > several variations.. These names are also widely scattered, Rastadt > (Rastatt) and Jestetten are opposite ends of Baden. > > Bernhard, Bernhard Hügelsheim, Rastadt Vorladung > Conscriptionspflichtiger, geboren 1825 1849 72 > Bernhard, Christian Präclusiverkenntnisse in Gantsachen 1847 863 > Bernhard, Franz Xaver Dettighofen, Jestetten Vorladung > Conscriptionspflichtiger, geboren 1825 1849 163 > Bernhard, Valentin Schuldenliquidation und Gantedikte 1847 738 > > > Jon > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well that sounds promising! And I think - well it is not unfamiliar totally to me - that Fred's wife said she was from Sigmaringen. Far from sure - I will have to look up some old things. As to what religion - have no idea. But, when Henry was baptised in England, it was in the C of E. So - that may be a help, it may be totally unrelated. The birthdate I have guessed at, as being most likely period from what others on this list and others have sent AND I have his death cert in England. But, noting at all definite and he could have been hiding his tracks ie telling porkies, too. Dawn -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of crow3fish@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, 22 September 2013 2:41 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Johann Friedrich Bernhardt; Wurtemberg, c 1825 Hi, just a note on the following email... There was a small piece of Prussia in the middle of Baden-Wuertemberg. Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen was ruled by a prince of Prussia for a time. It was incorporated into the Kingdom of Prussia in 1850. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred H Held" <fhheld@netzero.net> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com, "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:12:30 AM Subject: Re: [BW] Johann Friedrich Bernhardt; Wurtemberg, c 1825 Dawn, I have taken the liberty to re-subject your query to the recommended format and the most likely spelling of your ancestor. I also clipped the attached message that does not relate to your query. Bernhard/Bernhardt is a common surname in the Würtemberg and Baden region of old Germany, as well as other areas.. First problem: the Kingdom of Würtemberg was never part of Prussia. Second problem: there are several Johann Friedrich Bernhard/ts born in Würtemberg in the 1820-1830 era. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NH1V-SB8 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NH1K-WX3 plus several born in Prussia and other kingdoms https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXJ5-1LY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J4KG-PH3 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NZ4R-Z38 A more accurate birth date would be a useful piece of information, as well as the family religion. View my video on doing research in this part of old Germany - http://tinyurl.com/5twb3y6 At 02:01 AM 9/20/2013, you wrote: >From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> >Subject: Re: [BW] Johann Friedrich Bernhardt; Wurtemberg, c 1825 > >Can people tell me which area of the later Germany my gg grandfather may >have come from? I have seen on various English censuses, Wurttemberg and >Prussia - admittedly in dreadful handwriting. Fred, my gg grandfather, was >born in the 1820s it seems. He died 1892 from memory so that would fit. I >cannot find him coming into England but.. presume 1840s from family stories >that he ran off as soon as he was adult, leaving the childless couple who >took him in as a baby in the lurch sort of. Family stories are to be >proven, not taken for gospel I am well aware but generally they have proved >correct on this line. BERNHARDT is the surname.. spelt many ways in >England, I can tell you, including BURNHEAD. I think he was really Johan >Fredrick but = Fred in the family. Son, my g grandfather, was John Henry >Thomas - born England 1860 if the later BAPTISM (no birth) record is to be >believed. He married 1880 so it can't be too far out! Fred only married >Henry's mother, VERY recently widowed, within three months of her first >husband dying. This raises other questions, but.. what I would like is - >the Wurttemberg/Prussia birthplace sorted,. Fred was apparently left on the >doorstep as a baby, well dressed with a well penned note pinned onto him.... > > >Another story that I am taking as very probably wishful thinking, is that WE >are this related to Sarah BERNHARDT but no-one knows quite how these days! > >I don't even really know if BERNHARDT was the surname of Fred's natural >parents/father or the ones who brought him up! As has been pointed out, it >could be the same person - could be an accusation! Nor do I know if Fred is >the father of Henry and my gg grandfather. However, Fred was an artist of >sorts in ALL records so far found and that theatrical strain does indeed >turn up in my family, each generation. Along with Henry's proclivity for >marrying/women - Henry married seven times, six bigamously. I have the >actual marriage certs in some cases.. and have met on line several half >cousins and second cousins. He was not left anything in Fred's will - >precious little in total - as it all went to his wife's nice by her first >marriage who in fact had looked after or at least lived with Fred for the >last almost decade of his life. It may have been payment, it may have been >he was fed up with Henry's actions, it may have been he knew he was not >Henry's natural father. > >Dawn >(Melbourne Australia) >A German by birth email friend has said BERNHARDT as a surname is not common >as far as she knows.... ____________________________________________________________ Norwegian Cruise Line Book now and see more of Hawaii in 7 days. 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Hi, just a note on the following email... There was a small piece of Prussia in the middle of Baden-Wuertemberg. Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen was ruled by a prince of Prussia for a time. It was incorporated into the Kingdom of Prussia in 1850. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred H Held" <fhheld@netzero.net> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com, "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:12:30 AM Subject: Re: [BW] Johann Friedrich Bernhardt; Wurtemberg, c 1825 Dawn, I have taken the liberty to re-subject your query to the recommended format and the most likely spelling of your ancestor. I also clipped the attached message that does not relate to your query. Bernhard/Bernhardt is a common surname in the Würtemberg and Baden region of old Germany, as well as other areas.. First problem: the Kingdom of Würtemberg was never part of Prussia. Second problem: there are several Johann Friedrich Bernhard/ts born in Würtemberg in the 1820-1830 era. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NH1V-SB8 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NH1K-WX3 plus several born in Prussia and other kingdoms https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXJ5-1LY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J4KG-PH3 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NZ4R-Z38 A more accurate birth date would be a useful piece of information, as well as the family religion. View my video on doing research in this part of old Germany - http://tinyurl.com/5twb3y6 At 02:01 AM 9/20/2013, you wrote: >From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> >Subject: Re: [BW] Johann Friedrich Bernhardt; Wurtemberg, c 1825 > >Can people tell me which area of the later Germany my gg grandfather may >have come from? I have seen on various English censuses, Wurttemberg and >Prussia - admittedly in dreadful handwriting. Fred, my gg grandfather, was >born in the 1820s it seems. He died 1892 from memory so that would fit. I >cannot find him coming into England but.. presume 1840s from family stories >that he ran off as soon as he was adult, leaving the childless couple who >took him in as a baby in the lurch sort of. Family stories are to be >proven, not taken for gospel I am well aware but generally they have proved >correct on this line. BERNHARDT is the surname.. spelt many ways in >England, I can tell you, including BURNHEAD. I think he was really Johan >Fredrick but = Fred in the family. Son, my g grandfather, was John Henry >Thomas - born England 1860 if the later BAPTISM (no birth) record is to be >believed. He married 1880 so it can't be too far out! Fred only married >Henry's mother, VERY recently widowed, within three months of her first >husband dying. This raises other questions, but.. what I would like is - >the Wurttemberg/Prussia birthplace sorted,. Fred was apparently left on the >doorstep as a baby, well dressed with a well penned note pinned onto him.... > > >Another story that I am taking as very probably wishful thinking, is that WE >are this related to Sarah BERNHARDT but no-one knows quite how these days! > >I don't even really know if BERNHARDT was the surname of Fred's natural >parents/father or the ones who brought him up! As has been pointed out, it >could be the same person - could be an accusation! Nor do I know if Fred is >the father of Henry and my gg grandfather. However, Fred was an artist of >sorts in ALL records so far found and that theatrical strain does indeed >turn up in my family, each generation. Along with Henry's proclivity for >marrying/women - Henry married seven times, six bigamously. I have the >actual marriage certs in some cases.. and have met on line several half >cousins and second cousins. He was not left anything in Fred's will - >precious little in total - as it all went to his wife's nice by her first >marriage who in fact had looked after or at least lived with Fred for the >last almost decade of his life. It may have been payment, it may have been >he was fed up with Henry's actions, it may have been he knew he was not >Henry's natural father. > >Dawn >(Melbourne Australia) >A German by birth email friend has said BERNHARDT as a surname is not common >as far as she knows.... ____________________________________________________________ Norwegian Cruise Line Book now and see more of Hawaii in 7 days. Cruises starting at $999. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/523c57b5e9ac757b47be6st01vuc ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mine is already "on the way" - the Amazon confirmation email just popped in. I used the UK site of Amazon as I have an acct with them. I do not have a kindle, so will have to wait up to about three weeks. It usually comes earlier however - here's hoping! Thank you to all Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Stroebel Sent: Saturday, 21 September 2013 6:45 AM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg A strong majority of those replied echoed your words about Teva's book. I just ordered it. Thank you everyone! Thanks again, Dave Stroebel www.davidstroebel.com  ________________________________ From: Daniel Dietrich <drdietrich1@gmail.com> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg A very wonderfull book written by Teva J Scheer, for any one interested in German History in Wurttemberg is avalible on line. It will attract your interest on history. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > I too may have an interest.. but.. > > Can people tell me which area of the later Germany my gg grandfather may > have come from?  I have seen on various English censuses, Wurttemberg and > Prussia - admittedly in dreadful handwriting.  Fred, my gg grandfather, was > born in the 1820s it seems. He died 1892 from memory so that would fit.  I > cannot find him coming into England but.. presume 1840s from family stories > that he ran off as soon as he was adult, leaving the childless couple who > took him in as a baby in the lurch sort of.  Family stories are to be > proven, not taken for gospel I am well aware but generally they have proved > correct on this line.  BERNHARDT is the surname..  spelt many ways in > England, I can tell you, including BURNHEAD.  I think he was really Johan > Fredrick but = Fred in the family.  Son, my g grandfather, was John Henry > Thomas - born England 1860 if the later BAPTISM (no birth) record is to be > believed. He married 1880 so it can't be too far out!  Fred only married > Henry's mother, VERY recently widowed, within three months of her first > husband dying.  This raises other questions, but..  what I would like is - > the Wurttemberg/Prussia birthplace sorted,.  Fred was apparently left on > the > doorstep as a baby, well dressed with a well penned note pinned onto > him.... > > > Another story that I am taking as very probably wishful thinking, is that > WE > are this related to Sarah BERNHARDT but no-one knows quite how these days! > > I don't even really know if BERNHARDT was the surname of Fred's natural > parents/father or the ones who brought him up!  As has been pointed out, it > could be the same person - could be an accusation!  Nor do I know if Fred > is > the father of Henry and my gg grandfather.  However, Fred was an artist of > sorts in ALL records so far found and that theatrical strain does indeed > turn up in my family, each generation.  Along with Henry's proclivity for > marrying/women - Henry married seven times, six bigamously.  I have the > actual marriage certs in some cases..  and have met on line several half > cousins and second cousins.  He was not left anything in Fred's will - > precious little in total - as it all went to his wife's nice by her first > marriage who in fact had looked after or at least lived with Fred for the > last almost decade of his life.  It may have been payment, it may have been > he was fed up with Henry's actions, it may have been he knew he was not > Henry's natural father. > > Dawn > (Melbourne Australia) > A German by birth email friend has said BERNHARDT as a surname is not > common > as far as she knows.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Earl Hoffman > Sent: Friday, 20 September 2013 8:11 AM > To: David Stroebel; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg > > I also am interested in such books but my interest is more in the Kraichgau > region. > > Thanks. > > Earl > > ---------------- > On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:43 PM, David Stroebel wrote: > > > Hello, > > I am seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg that will tell > me > the history of the state from it's earliest period. Trying to focus my > attention on the Sigmaringen District-area especially. > > > > Thank you, > > > > David > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you!.. Dawn -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Dietrich Sent: Friday, 20 September 2013 1:56 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg A very wonderfull book written by Teva J Scheer, for any one interested in German History in Wurttemberg is avalible on line. It will attract your interest on history.

A strong majority of those replied echoed your words about Teva's book. I just ordered it. Thank you everyone! Thanks again, Dave Stroebel www.davidstroebel.com  ________________________________ From: Daniel Dietrich <drdietrich1@gmail.com> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg A very wonderfull book written by Teva J Scheer, for any one interested in German History in Wurttemberg is avalible on line. It will attract your interest on history. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > I too may have an interest.. but.. > > Can people tell me which area of the later Germany my gg grandfather may > have come from?  I have seen on various English censuses, Wurttemberg and > Prussia - admittedly in dreadful handwriting.  Fred, my gg grandfather, was > born in the 1820s it seems. He died 1892 from memory so that would fit.  I > cannot find him coming into England but.. presume 1840s from family stories > that he ran off as soon as he was adult, leaving the childless couple who > took him in as a baby in the lurch sort of.  Family stories are to be > proven, not taken for gospel I am well aware but generally they have proved > correct on this line.  BERNHARDT is the surname..  spelt many ways in > England, I can tell you, including BURNHEAD.  I think he was really Johan > Fredrick but = Fred in the family.  Son, my g grandfather, was John Henry > Thomas - born England 1860 if the later BAPTISM (no birth) record is to be > believed. He married 1880 so it can't be too far out!  Fred only married > Henry's mother, VERY recently widowed, within three months of her first > husband dying.  This raises other questions, but..  what I would like is - > the Wurttemberg/Prussia birthplace sorted,.  Fred was apparently left on > the > doorstep as a baby, well dressed with a well penned note pinned onto > him.... > > > Another story that I am taking as very probably wishful thinking, is that > WE > are this related to Sarah BERNHARDT but no-one knows quite how these days! > > I don't even really know if BERNHARDT was the surname of Fred's natural > parents/father or the ones who brought him up!  As has been pointed out, it > could be the same person - could be an accusation!  Nor do I know if Fred > is > the father of Henry and my gg grandfather.  However, Fred was an artist of > sorts in ALL records so far found and that theatrical strain does indeed > turn up in my family, each generation.  Along with Henry's proclivity for > marrying/women - Henry married seven times, six bigamously.  I have the > actual marriage certs in some cases..  and have met on line several half > cousins and second cousins.  He was not left anything in Fred's will - > precious little in total - as it all went to his wife's nice by her first > marriage who in fact had looked after or at least lived with Fred for the > last almost decade of his life.  It may have been payment, it may have been > he was fed up with Henry's actions, it may have been he knew he was not > Henry's natural father. > > Dawn > (Melbourne Australia) > A German by birth email friend has said BERNHARDT as a surname is not > common > as far as she knows.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Earl Hoffman > Sent: Friday, 20 September 2013 8:11 AM > To: David Stroebel; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg > > I also am interested in such books but my interest is more in the Kraichgau > region. > > Thanks. > > Earl > > ---------------- > On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:43 PM, David Stroebel wrote: > > > Hello, > > I am seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg that will tell > me > the history of the state from it's earliest period. Trying to focus my > attention on the Sigmaringen District-area especially. > > > > Thank you, > > > > David > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dawn, I have taken the liberty to re-subject your query to the recommended format and the most likely spelling of your ancestor. I also clipped the attached message that does not relate to your query. Bernhard/Bernhardt is a common surname in the Würtemberg and Baden region of old Germany, as well as other areas.. First problem: the Kingdom of Würtemberg was never part of Prussia. Second problem: there are several Johann Friedrich Bernhard/ts born in Würtemberg in the 1820-1830 era. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NH1V-SB8 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NH1K-WX3 plus several born in Prussia and other kingdoms https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXJ5-1LY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J4KG-PH3 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NZ4R-Z38 A more accurate birth date would be a useful piece of information, as well as the family religion. View my video on doing research in this part of old Germany - http://tinyurl.com/5twb3y6 At 02:01 AM 9/20/2013, you wrote: >From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> >Subject: Re: [BW] Johann Friedrich Bernhardt; Wurtemberg, c 1825 > >Can people tell me which area of the later Germany my gg grandfather may >have come from? I have seen on various English censuses, Wurttemberg and >Prussia - admittedly in dreadful handwriting. Fred, my gg grandfather, was >born in the 1820s it seems. He died 1892 from memory so that would fit. I >cannot find him coming into England but.. presume 1840s from family stories >that he ran off as soon as he was adult, leaving the childless couple who >took him in as a baby in the lurch sort of. Family stories are to be >proven, not taken for gospel I am well aware but generally they have proved >correct on this line. BERNHARDT is the surname.. spelt many ways in >England, I can tell you, including BURNHEAD. I think he was really Johan >Fredrick but = Fred in the family. Son, my g grandfather, was John Henry >Thomas - born England 1860 if the later BAPTISM (no birth) record is to be >believed. He married 1880 so it can't be too far out! Fred only married >Henry's mother, VERY recently widowed, within three months of her first >husband dying. This raises other questions, but.. what I would like is - >the Wurttemberg/Prussia birthplace sorted,. Fred was apparently left on the >doorstep as a baby, well dressed with a well penned note pinned onto him.... > > >Another story that I am taking as very probably wishful thinking, is that WE >are this related to Sarah BERNHARDT but no-one knows quite how these days! > >I don't even really know if BERNHARDT was the surname of Fred's natural >parents/father or the ones who brought him up! As has been pointed out, it >could be the same person - could be an accusation! Nor do I know if Fred is >the father of Henry and my gg grandfather. However, Fred was an artist of >sorts in ALL records so far found and that theatrical strain does indeed >turn up in my family, each generation. Along with Henry's proclivity for >marrying/women - Henry married seven times, six bigamously. I have the >actual marriage certs in some cases.. and have met on line several half >cousins and second cousins. He was not left anything in Fred's will - >precious little in total - as it all went to his wife's nice by her first >marriage who in fact had looked after or at least lived with Fred for the >last almost decade of his life. It may have been payment, it may have been >he was fed up with Henry's actions, it may have been he knew he was not >Henry's natural father. > >Dawn >(Melbourne Australia) >A German by birth email friend has said BERNHARDT as a surname is not common >as far as she knows.... ____________________________________________________________ Norwegian Cruise Line Book now and see more of Hawaii in 7 days. Cruises starting at $999. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/523c57b5e9ac757b47be6st01vuc

I too may have an interest.. but.. Can people tell me which area of the later Germany my gg grandfather may have come from? I have seen on various English censuses, Wurttemberg and Prussia - admittedly in dreadful handwriting. Fred, my gg grandfather, was born in the 1820s it seems. He died 1892 from memory so that would fit. I cannot find him coming into England but.. presume 1840s from family stories that he ran off as soon as he was adult, leaving the childless couple who took him in as a baby in the lurch sort of. Family stories are to be proven, not taken for gospel I am well aware but generally they have proved correct on this line. BERNHARDT is the surname.. spelt many ways in England, I can tell you, including BURNHEAD. I think he was really Johan Fredrick but = Fred in the family. Son, my g grandfather, was John Henry Thomas - born England 1860 if the later BAPTISM (no birth) record is to be believed. He married 1880 so it can't be too far out! Fred only married Henry's mother, VERY recently widowed, within three months of her first husband dying. This raises other questions, but.. what I would like is - the Wurttemberg/Prussia birthplace sorted,. Fred was apparently left on the doorstep as a baby, well dressed with a well penned note pinned onto him.... Another story that I am taking as very probably wishful thinking, is that WE are this related to Sarah BERNHARDT but no-one knows quite how these days! I don't even really know if BERNHARDT was the surname of Fred's natural parents/father or the ones who brought him up! As has been pointed out, it could be the same person - could be an accusation! Nor do I know if Fred is the father of Henry and my gg grandfather. However, Fred was an artist of sorts in ALL records so far found and that theatrical strain does indeed turn up in my family, each generation. Along with Henry's proclivity for marrying/women - Henry married seven times, six bigamously. I have the actual marriage certs in some cases.. and have met on line several half cousins and second cousins. He was not left anything in Fred's will - precious little in total - as it all went to his wife's nice by her first marriage who in fact had looked after or at least lived with Fred for the last almost decade of his life. It may have been payment, it may have been he was fed up with Henry's actions, it may have been he knew he was not Henry's natural father. Dawn (Melbourne Australia) A German by birth email friend has said BERNHARDT as a surname is not common as far as she knows.... -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Earl Hoffman Sent: Friday, 20 September 2013 8:11 AM To: David Stroebel; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg I also am interested in such books but my interest is more in the Kraichgau region. Thanks. Earl ---------------- On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:43 PM, David Stroebel wrote: > Hello, > I am seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg that will tell me the history of the state from it's earliest period. Trying to focus my attention on the Sigmaringen District-area especially. > > Thank you, > > David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The book referred to in the previous message may be • Our Daily Bread: German Village Life, 1500-1850 by Teva J Scheer This is a wonderful read about village life in this part of Germany. The book can be purchased online but is a new (2010) book and the text is not likely to be available without purchase. Earl --------------------------------- On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Daniel Dietrich wrote: > A very wonderfull book written by Teva J Scheer, for any one interested in > German History in Wurttemberg is avalible on line. It will attract your > interest on history. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Earl Hoffman >> Sent: Friday, 20 September 2013 8:11 AM >> To: David Stroebel; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BW] Seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg >> >> I also am interested in such books but my interest is more in the Kraichgau >> region. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Earl >> >> ---------------- >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:43 PM, David Stroebel wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I am seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg that will tell >> me >> the history of the state from it's earliest period. Trying to focus my >> attention on the Sigmaringen District-area especially. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> David >>

A very wonderfull book written by Teva J Scheer, for any one interested in German History in Wurttemberg is avalible on line. It will attract your interest on history. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > I too may have an interest.. but.. > > Can people tell me which area of the later Germany my gg grandfather may > have come from? I have seen on various English censuses, Wurttemberg and > Prussia - admittedly in dreadful handwriting. Fred, my gg grandfather, was > born in the 1820s it seems. He died 1892 from memory so that would fit. I > cannot find him coming into England but.. presume 1840s from family stories > that he ran off as soon as he was adult, leaving the childless couple who > took him in as a baby in the lurch sort of. Family stories are to be > proven, not taken for gospel I am well aware but generally they have proved > correct on this line. BERNHARDT is the surname.. spelt many ways in > England, I can tell you, including BURNHEAD. I think he was really Johan > Fredrick but = Fred in the family. Son, my g grandfather, was John Henry > Thomas - born England 1860 if the later BAPTISM (no birth) record is to be > believed. He married 1880 so it can't be too far out! Fred only married > Henry's mother, VERY recently widowed, within three months of her first > husband dying. This raises other questions, but.. what I would like is - > the Wurttemberg/Prussia birthplace sorted,. Fred was apparently left on > the > doorstep as a baby, well dressed with a well penned note pinned onto > him.... > > > Another story that I am taking as very probably wishful thinking, is that > WE > are this related to Sarah BERNHARDT but no-one knows quite how these days! > > I don't even really know if BERNHARDT was the surname of Fred's natural > parents/father or the ones who brought him up! As has been pointed out, it > could be the same person - could be an accusation! Nor do I know if Fred > is > the father of Henry and my gg grandfather. However, Fred was an artist of > sorts in ALL records so far found and that theatrical strain does indeed > turn up in my family, each generation. Along with Henry's proclivity for > marrying/women - Henry married seven times, six bigamously. I have the > actual marriage certs in some cases.. and have met on line several half > cousins and second cousins. He was not left anything in Fred's will - > precious little in total - as it all went to his wife's nice by her first > marriage who in fact had looked after or at least lived with Fred for the > last almost decade of his life. It may have been payment, it may have been > he was fed up with Henry's actions, it may have been he knew he was not > Henry's natural father. > > Dawn > (Melbourne Australia) > A German by birth email friend has said BERNHARDT as a surname is not > common > as far as she knows.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Earl Hoffman > Sent: Friday, 20 September 2013 8:11 AM > To: David Stroebel; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg > > I also am interested in such books but my interest is more in the Kraichgau > region. > > Thanks. > > Earl > > ---------------- > On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:43 PM, David Stroebel wrote: > > > Hello, > > I am seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg that will tell > me > the history of the state from it's earliest period. Trying to focus my > attention on the Sigmaringen District-area especially. > > > > Thank you, > > > > David > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I also am interested in such books but my interest is more in the Kraichgau region. Thanks. Earl ---------------- On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:43 PM, David Stroebel wrote: > Hello, > I am seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg that will tell me the history of the state from it's earliest period. Trying to focus my attention on the Sigmaringen District-area especially. > > Thank you, > > David

Hello, I am seeking English-language books on Baden-Wurttemberg that will tell me the history of the state from it's earliest period. Trying to focus my attention on the Sigmaringen District-area especially.   Thank you,   David

Hi Bert According to Wikipedia http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos_%28Begriffskl%C3%A4rung%29 there could be several meanings: - Jos as abbreviation for the book of Josua (bible) - Jos as a short form of Jozef, a first name in the Netherlands and Luxembourg http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos_%28Vorname%29 According to this http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos_Murer, a Swiss born in 1530, it could be a short form for Jodocus And this http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos_N%C3%BCnlist is a currently living Swiss painter who is known as just Jos. But I am pretty sure that he was born as Joseph (after doing a search in the Swiss phone book for all Jos* N?nlist). According to this http://www.baby-vornamen.de/Jungen/J/Jo/Jos/ Jos is usually an abbreviation for Joseph, but is also known as an abbreviation for Jodokus http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodok_%28Heiliger%29 Last but not least, my father often signs his first name abbreviated as Jos. and he is a Joseph ;-) Jost seems to be another abbreviation / short form for Jodok or Jodokus http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jost. But AFAIK it is used as a first and last name as well. A slightly different spelling - Joost - is a common first name in the Netherlands. And here it says that Joost is a short form for Justus, Jodocus or Josef/Jozef/Joseph http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joost_%28Vorname%29 Some information about this in English: http://www.behindthename.com/name/jos Regula ---- Original Message ---- From: JulieOken@aol.com Sent: 9/16/2013 8:15:17 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Name "Jos" To Bert Balt: In many records of German Catholic churches that I have looked at, the name "Jos" appeared to me as an abbreviation for the first name "Johannes", thus, (Jo + s.) and not anything more elaborate. Julie Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:34:59 -0400 (EDT) From: JandB178@aol.com Subject: [BW] Meaning of First Name "Jo?" & "Jost" To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <edfa2.6ccc6145.3f65ce13@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" At first I thought that the first name, Joss/Jo?, was an old way of spelling Joseph. My collaborator in Europe tells me that it is an old way to spell Jacobus/Jacob. These would be records from the 17 th Century. Also what would correspond to the first name of "Jost"? Bert Balt Rochester, NY ------------------------------ ************************************************* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To Bert Balt: In many records of German Catholic churches that I have looked at, the name "Jos" appeared to me as an abbreviation for the first name "Johannes", thus, (Jo + s.) and not anything more elaborate. Julie Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:34:59 -0400 (EDT) From: JandB178@aol.com Subject: [BW] Meaning of First Name "Jo?" & "Jost" To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <edfa2.6ccc6145.3f65ce13@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" At first I thought that the first name, Joss/Jo?, was an old way of spelling Joseph. My collaborator in Europe tells me that it is an old way to spell Jacobus/Jacob. These would be records from the 17 th Century. Also what would correspond to the first name of "Jost"? Bert Balt Rochester, NY ------------------------------ *************************************************

Joss, Joß, Jost are form of m. given name Jodokus (Justus) Jodokus m given name; 13 December This from Thode's German Englisdh Genealogical Dictionary Kent In a message dated 9/14/2013 10:40:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JandB178@aol.com writes: At first I thought that the first name, Joss/Joß, was an old way of spelling Joseph. My collaborator in Europe tells me that it is an old way to spell Jacobus/Jacob. These would be records from the 17 th Century. Also what would correspond to the first name of "Jost"? Bert Balt Rochester, NY

At first I thought that the first name, Joss/Joß, was an old way of spelling Joseph. My collaborator in Europe tells me that it is an old way to spell Jacobus/Jacob. These would be records from the 17 th Century. Also what would correspond to the first name of "Jost"? Bert Balt Rochester, NY

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Joss http://nameberry.com/babyname/Joss http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=joss http://www.meaning-of-names.com/hebrew-names/joss.asp http://www.behindthename.com/name/joss Name etmology is not always straight forward.  Sometimes first names are taken from surnames that evolved overtime.  Sometimes from changing names from one language to another they change quite a bit.  And sometimes the same name can exist in different cultures and have different origins and meanings.   Above are some ideas for this name... And one other note,  a name can be masculine in one culture and feminine in another.  Christian is a good example of this.  In Scotland it is used for females while in Germany it is a male name.  Laurie can be male or female.   >________________________________ > From: "JandB178@aol.com" <JandB178@aol.com> >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 9:34 AM >Subject: [BW] Meaning of First Name "Joß" & "Jost" > > >At first I thought that the first name, Joss/Joß, was an old way of  >spelling Joseph.  My collaborator in Europe tells me that it is an old way  to >spell Jacobus/Jacob.  These would be records from the 17 th  Century.  > >Also what would correspond to the first name of "Jost"? > >Bert Balt >Rochester, NY > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Craig...What can you tell me abt the village? I was surprised to learn,via the internet, that the Evangical church had nearly 1000 parishioners.The village must be much larger than I imaginedMy grandfather lived there til he was 12. His mother married hisstep-father and he lived in Kochendorf and immigrated in 1881 atthe age of 23. 'Til I found Heirnrich, I was certain that he had noblood relatives in the U.S.BTW...I have GAUGERs in my line from Loechgau...In fact,some are still living thereShirley in San Diego ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Craig Gauger <gcgauger@hotmail.com> To: B-W Roots Web <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BW] Heinrich Stiefel of Unterheimbach, Kreis Nekkar, Wuert Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:19:56 +0000 I drove through Unterheimbach in July. I have a cousin in Oberheimbach. My family has lived in Waldenberg (about 15 miles away) for over 500 years. I'm not aware of any Haas in my tree though. Craig FYI, The County (Kreis) for Unterheimbach is Heilbronn, not Nekkar. The local river is Necker. C > From: sjhulett@juno.com > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 02:24:40 +0000 > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com; pharmaxx@knology.net > Subject: Re: [BW] Heinrich Stiefel of Unterheimbach, Kreis Nekkar, Wuert > > Thanks, Max My recodes include Jacob Friedrich Haas b 1837 in Widdern. He married Carolina Christiana Ochs in 1877- I don't think they immigrated. After his wife died in Brooklyn in 1899, my grandfather moved toMedina County Ohio and married my grandmother in 1900.Shirley RF <pharmaxx@knology.net>To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Heinrich Stiefel of Unterheimbach, Kreis Nekkar, Wuert > Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:15:26 -0400 (EDT) > > FYI I have a Jacob Haas who emigrated from Sulz Germany to New Orleans mid 1800's. Lots of Haas's in that area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ One Weird Trick Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify&#8230 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/52307e3e996277e3e3e86st01vuc

Marvin and others--they've expanded it to include locales that are not towns (forests, ponds, brooks, etc.) Also, it is actually the location of shtetls, which could simply be 2 houses outside of a town, since, in a lot of places, Jews were not permitted to live in the city limits. Ruth On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Marvin Hoerig <mhoerig@wi.rr.com> wrote: > Rene, > > Thank you for that web site. > > I think I bit off more than I care to chew. 10 years ago, I searched for > towns within a 5 mile radius of Oberndorf (am Murg) and got 31 towns. > Yesterday I asked for a 10 mile radius of Oberndorf and was inundated with > 264 towns. My project just became monumental. > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <rene.granacher@dlh.de> > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:59 AM > To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BW] Lost a Web Site > > > Marvin, > > > > the Shtettl-Seekler has such a function: > > http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocRad.asp > > > > You need the coordinates of a town to state the center of your search, > but > > you can get these on the same website. > > > > René Granacher > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >