Carroll, This website (in English) is probably the one Julie Okenfuss meant in recent post.th. In any case it is worth to be studied as preparation for your intended trip: <http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=connection;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebspace.webring.com%2Fpeople%2Fau%2Fum_5370%2Fnixon.html> Dieter -- Dieter Joos Ueberlingen / Bodensee, Germany Webmaster of RootsWeb's Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List Am 11.10.2013 18:30, schrieb CWarschak@aol.com: > This is an almost identical request to the one posed by Russ Lipp except > that I am seeking information for a visiting Beuhlertal. > I am getting geared up for a visit to the vicinity of > Buehl/Buehlertal sometime in 2014. > The family name for which I am searching is Geiser. > My plans are to tour the Czech Republic with a group but I > would like to make a side trip to Buehlertal as a part of > the same trip. > If anyone can offer additional information regarding > Buehlertal, I would appreciate corresponding with you. > > Carroll Warschak > Waco, Texas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Dee about the church: check the german Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchen_in_W%C3%BCrzburg I think it is number 1.28 in Würzburg / Steinbach, follow the links (unfortunately only in german) /"Orden der Töchter des Göttlichen Erlösers zur Verpflegung armer Kranker und zur Unterstützung anderer Armen/" Sven ps: If you can not write the ü in Würzburg use Wuerzburg instead otherwise google etc. will not find anything Am 14.10.2013 17:08, schrieb Dee Miller: > I have searched for a few years and been unable to find any information about this Church and Justin Enders and siblings Bibiana and Max. > Would anyone be able to direct me to a sight with information? > > Marie Ender’s was my husbands grandmother. > > P.S. I do not read German. > > Thank You for your help, > Dee Miller, South Carolina US. > > Descendants of Ferdinand Enders > > 1 ENDERS, Ferdinand b: December 4, 1832 in Frankenheim, Neustadt Saale, Unterfranken, Bayern d: Nov. 27, 1904 in Frankenheim, Germany Age 72 Yr's > Fact: Marie Enders father was Chief Game Warden in Germany and her brother was the assistant Game Warden. 99/ Charlie Miller > . +ENDERS, Anna Brueder/ b: in Germany ??? > ... 2 ENDERS, Bibiana b: in Germany > ... 2 ENDERS, Justin b: in Germany, May have been a Priest ??? > ... 2 ENDERS, Max b: in Germany ??? > ............... +ENDERS, Agatha/ b: in Germany > ........... 2 ENDERS, Katharina "Kath" b: Abt. 1873 in Germany "IM"1893 Residence: 1898 836 17th. St. New York, NY > ........... 2 ENDERS, Sabina b: August 1874 in Germany "IM" 1893 d: 1938 in Narrowsburg, Sullivan County, New York Burial: 1938 Saint Francis Xavier Cemetery, Narrowsburg, Sullivan County, New York, > ............... +ROHRMAN, Emil A. b: 1878 in Germany m: July 14, 1907 in Manhattan, N. Y. d: 1948 in Narrowsburg, Sullivan Co., N. Y. Burial: 1948 Saint Francis Xavier Cemetery, Narrowsburg, Sullivan Co., N.Y. > ........... 2 ENDERS, Marie-Theresa b: February 10, 1881 in Garmisch-Partenkirchen Bavaria [Black Forest] Germany "IM" 1898. d: August 23, 1952 in Detroit, MI. age 71 yr's 6 mo's 13 days Deth, Certificate. Burial: August 27, 1952 Green Lawn Cemetery. Detroit, MI. Married 1904 to ..... +MILLER, William Grover b: December 2, 1884 in Norfolk Co, Virginia. > > > Information taken from: A small card tells of Justin becoming a priest and where. > > Erinnerung > an das > erste heilige Messopfer > des Priesters > Justin Enders > gefeiert am > Montag den 1. August 1898 > in der > Kirche der Tochter vom gottl. Erloser > zu Wurzburg. > > Remembrance of the first Holy Sacrifice of the Priest Justin Enders, > celebrated on Monday the first of August 1898 in the Church of the Daughter of God the divine Saviour of Wuerzburg > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
There was a website just for Buelertal done by a man from Cincinnati. Also, It Will take a day for you to drive from Prague to Buehlertal if you rent a car. Julie Sent from my BlackBerry device from Cincinnati Bell Wireless
I have searched for a few years and been unable to find any information about this Church and Justin Enders and siblings Bibiana and Max. Would anyone be able to direct me to a sight with information? Marie Ender’s was my husbands grandmother. P.S. I do not read German. Thank You for your help, Dee Miller, South Carolina US. Descendants of Ferdinand Enders 1 ENDERS, Ferdinand b: December 4, 1832 in Frankenheim, Neustadt Saale, Unterfranken, Bayern d: Nov. 27, 1904 in Frankenheim, Germany Age 72 Yr's Fact: Marie Enders father was Chief Game Warden in Germany and her brother was the assistant Game Warden. 99/ Charlie Miller . +ENDERS, Anna Brueder/ b: in Germany ??? ... 2 ENDERS, Bibiana b: in Germany ... 2 ENDERS, Justin b: in Germany, May have been a Priest ??? ... 2 ENDERS, Max b: in Germany ??? ............... +ENDERS, Agatha/ b: in Germany ........... 2 ENDERS, Katharina "Kath" b: Abt. 1873 in Germany "IM"1893 Residence: 1898 836 17th. St. New York, NY ........... 2 ENDERS, Sabina b: August 1874 in Germany "IM" 1893 d: 1938 in Narrowsburg, Sullivan County, New York Burial: 1938 Saint Francis Xavier Cemetery, Narrowsburg, Sullivan County, New York, ............... +ROHRMAN, Emil A. b: 1878 in Germany m: July 14, 1907 in Manhattan, N. Y. d: 1948 in Narrowsburg, Sullivan Co., N. Y. Burial: 1948 Saint Francis Xavier Cemetery, Narrowsburg, Sullivan Co., N.Y. ........... 2 ENDERS, Marie-Theresa b: February 10, 1881 in Garmisch-Partenkirchen Bavaria [Black Forest] Germany "IM" 1898. d: August 23, 1952 in Detroit, MI. age 71 yr's 6 mo's 13 days Deth, Certificate. Burial: August 27, 1952 Green Lawn Cemetery. Detroit, MI. Married 1904 to ..... +MILLER, William Grover b: December 2, 1884 in Norfolk Co, Virginia. Information taken from: A small card tells of Justin becoming a priest and where. Erinnerung an das erste heilige Messopfer des Priesters Justin Enders gefeiert am Montag den 1. August 1898 in der Kirche der Tochter vom gottl. Erloser zu Wurzburg. Remembrance of the first Holy Sacrifice of the Priest Justin Enders, celebrated on Monday the first of August 1898 in the Church of the Daughter of God the divine Saviour of Wuerzburg
Hi Carroll, this is about a GEISER family of smiths. Maybe you would like to visit the museum. Patricia http://www.geiserschmiede.de Familiengeschichte Das Schmiedehandwerk war in der Familie Geiser stark verwurzelt. Da die Techniken der Eisenbearbeitung über die Jahrhunderte fast unverändert geblieben waren, bestimmten Materialkenntnis und Geschicklichkeit des Schmiedes die Qualität und Güte des Endproduktes. Über fünf Generationen wurde dieses technologische Wissen innerhalb der Familie Geiser weitergegeben. Eine wichtige Rolle spielten dabei die Ehefrauen der Schmiedemeister. Besorgten sie doch alle in Haushalt und Landwirtschaft anfallenden Arbeiten, damit sich die Männer ganz ihrem Beruf widmen konnten. Die vermutlich aus Württemberg stammende Familie lies sich in der Waldkolonie Herrenwies im Höhengebiet oberhalb von Bühlertal nieder. Der dort 1787 erstmals nachweisbare Stephan Geiser übte bereits das Schmiedehandwerk aus. 1818 zog sein Sohn Bernhard Geiser mit seiner Familie nach Bühlertal. In einem angekauften Haus richtete er eine Schmiedewerkstätte ein. Die Söhne Friedrich, Joseph und Anton waren ebenfalls Schmiedemeister und betrieben in Bühlertal mehrere Schleifmühlen, Hammerwerke und Schmiedewerkstätten, die sie teilweise gemeinsam erbauten. Joseph Geiser beendet nach den Wirren der badischen Revolution 1849 den Schmiedeberuf. Zwar erlernte auch sein Sohn Reinhard das Schmiedehandwerk, gab aber, nachdem er von 1879 bis 1904 zum Bürgermeister von Bühlertal gewählt worden war, den Schmiedeberuf auf und verkaufte seine Werkstätten samt Eisen- vorräte und Kohlen an den Schmied Franz Xaver Bäuerle. Nur Anton Geiser sen. blieb seinem Handwerk treu. Doch er starb 1877 im Alter von 43 Jahren. Seine Schmiedewerk- stätte wurde plötzlich meisterlos. -- privat: Metzinger Str. 29 72555 Metzingen (-Neuhausen), BW ============================================================== Patricia Stasch Klassische Archäologin Fax+Anrufbeantworter-Nr: 03212-1102645 (Anruf wird als *.wav, Fax als *.pdf in der eMailbox abgelegt) ============================================================== Zitat von CWarschak@aol.com: > This is an almost identical request to the one posed by Russ Lipp except > that I am seeking information for a visiting Beuhlertal. > I am getting geared up for a visit to the vicinity of > Buehl/Buehlertal sometime in 2014. > The family name for which I am searching is Geiser. > My plans are to tour the Czech Republic with a group but I > would like to make a side trip to Buehlertal > as a part of > the same trip. > If anyone can offer additional information regarding > Buehlertal, I would appreciate corresponding with you. > > Carroll Warschak > Waco, Texas > > ------------------------------- > >
This is an almost identical request to the one posed by Russ Lipp except that I am seeking information for a visiting Beuhlertal. I am getting geared up for a visit to the vicinity of Buehl/Buehlertal sometime in 2014. The family name for which I am searching is Geiser. My plans are to tour the Czech Republic with a group but I would like to make a side trip to Buehlertal as a part of the same trip. If anyone can offer additional information regarding Buehlertal, I would appreciate corresponding with you. Carroll Warschak Waco, Texas
Russ - May I ask what names you are researching? We spent two weeks in Eschelbach, one of several "suburbs" of Sinsheim, back in 2003, and I'd be glad to share experiences. I'm willing to bet my morning cup of coffee that you have Benders in your line, as there are more Benders in Eschelbach and surrounding villages than there are Murphys in Ireland! ~Carol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carol Hornung - Michigan, USA chornung@comcast.net Researching HORNUNG (Lindemann, Hendel, Eichman), BENDER (Herzel, Merkel, Kindler), MANGES (Zuefle, Mertz, Scheuerle, Steffenhagen, Denz, Bommer, Goebel, Heil, Wagoner), and FREDERICKS (Mund, Spaulding) primarily in Germany and Western New York ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:12:49 -0400 From: Russell Lipp <rlipp2013@frontier.com> Subject: [BW] Visit to Ancestor Village in Baden To: Baden-Wurtemberg <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <65987083-C40C-42A8-80EA-9F2C778739C2@frontier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My wife and I will be going to Germany next April, and, as part of the trip, want to visit the village from which my ancestors emigrated. The village is Sinsheim in Baden. We will be flying into Frankfurt. We have several days to visit the Sinsheim area, before going to Basel to continue the rest of our trip. I am looking for any suggestions on best ways to travel to Sinsheim, as well as best places to stay in that area. I also welcome suggestions on setting up genealogy contacts in that area, so we spend time gathering genealogical information. Appreciate your help. Russ Lipp
Sinsheim is a great small city, easy to visit, having good regional bus service, if needed, and with excellent genealogical resources. (See my previous posts.) If you are not keen on driving, there are excellent connections (1hr 20 min including 1 change of train) directly from the FRA airport (Fernbahnhof) to Sinsheim, three blocks from the city center. Use search engine for German Rail and select bahn.com … USA link. Btw, this site is excellent for finding connections all over Europe. I have some basic information about Sinsheim Lipps who were masons (as a trade) in Sinsheim in the mid-19th century. Also Peter Lipp, a master baker perhaps from Dühren (2.5 mi. west). Please contact me directly if you would like more detailed ideas about genealogical connections or places to stay. David Bennett > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:12:49 -0400 > From: Russell Lipp <rlipp2013@frontier.com> > Subject: [BW] Visit to Ancestor Village in Baden > To: Baden-Wurtemberg <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <65987083-C40C-42A8-80EA-9F2C778739C2@frontier.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > My wife and I will be going to Germany next April, and, as part of the trip, want to visit the village from which my ancestors emigrated. The village is Sinsheim in Baden. We will be flying into Frankfurt. We have several days to visit the Sinsheim area, before going to Basel to continue the rest of our trip. > > I am looking for any suggestions on best ways to travel to Sinsheim, as well as best places to stay in that area. I also welcome suggestions on setting up genealogy contacts in that area, so we spend time gathering genealogical information. Appreciate your help. > > Russ Lipp > > > >
Hi Russ, for genealogical information please visit http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Sinsheim You will find a list of "Kirchenbuch-Bearbeitungen" in the area and there is an address. They should be able to help you. It would be helpful if you mentioned the full name of the emigrant and the year of departure. Or: http://www.heimatverein-kraichgau.de/ If this does not work, you could contact the association for Baden-Wuerttemberg: Verein für Familien- und Wappenkunde in Württemberg und Baden e.V. http://www.vfwkwb.org They can ask their members if there is someone working with Sinsheim files at the moment. Good luck and have a nice trip! Patricia -- privat: Metzinger Str. 29 72555 Metzingen (-Neuhausen), BW ============================================================== Patricia Stasch Klassische Archäologin Fax+Anrufbeantworter-Nr: 03212-1102645 (Anruf wird als *.wav, Fax als *.pdf in der eMailbox abgelegt) ============================================================== Zitat von Russell Lipp <rlipp2013@frontier.com>: > My wife and I will be going to Germany next April, and, as part of > the trip, want to visit the village from which my ancestors > emigrated. The village is Sinsheim in Baden. We will be flying into > Frankfurt. We have several days to visit the Sinsheim area, before > going to Basel to continue the rest of our trip. > > I am looking for any suggestions on best ways to travel to Sinsheim, > as well as best places to stay in that area. I also welcome > suggestions on setting up genealogy contacts in that area, so we > spend time gathering genealogical information. Appreciate your help. > > Russ Lipp > > > > ------------------------------- > >
If there is a town or area historian, try to set up an appointment with them. When we were in Lauffen am Neckar and Raunheim we met the historians, both gentlemen were extremely helpful. Also if they have a court house/town hall or a "Rathaus" contact them, or stop there to see if they recommend anyone. We weren't in the Rathaus for long, but learned the process for people to get married. Cathy original message Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:12:49 -0400 From: Russell Lipp <rlipp2013@frontier.com> My wife and I will be going to Germany next April, and, as part of the trip, want to visit the village from which my ancestors emigrated. The village is Sinsheim in Baden. We will be flying into Frankfurt. We have several days to visit the Sinsheim area, before going to Basel to continue the rest of our trip. I am looking for any suggestions on best ways to travel to Sinsheim, as well as best places to stay in that area. I also welcome suggestions on setting up genealogy contacts in that area, so we spend time gathering genealogical information. Appreciate your help. Russ Lipp Researching: Claycamp, Gerlach, Grindle, Magin, Mersinger, Reader, Singleton
Sinsheim is an interesting village. They have a huge car/military vehicle museum. They are SE of Heidelberg. Have a great trip. Craig > From: hoffmans@ix.netcom.com > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 18:31:57 -0600 > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Visit to Ancestor Village in Baden > > >From Google Maps: > > Suggested routes from Frankfurt to Sinsheim: > > A67 and A6 • 123 km, 1 hour 15 mins > In current traffic: 1 hour 20 mins > > or > > A5 • 123 km, 1 hour 17 mins > In current traffic: 1 hour 25 mins > > Or take Public Transit (one transfer) • 1 hour 50 mins > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
My wife and I will be going to Germany next April, and, as part of the trip, want to visit the village from which my ancestors emigrated. The village is Sinsheim in Baden. We will be flying into Frankfurt. We have several days to visit the Sinsheim area, before going to Basel to continue the rest of our trip. I am looking for any suggestions on best ways to travel to Sinsheim, as well as best places to stay in that area. I also welcome suggestions on setting up genealogy contacts in that area, so we spend time gathering genealogical information. Appreciate your help. Russ Lipp
>From Google Maps: Suggested routes from Frankfurt to Sinsheim: A67 and A6 • 123 km, 1 hour 15 mins In current traffic: 1 hour 20 mins or A5 • 123 km, 1 hour 17 mins In current traffic: 1 hour 25 mins Or take Public Transit (one transfer) • 1 hour 50 mins
Hello Jon, I have established a Facebook group "Baden Genalogy" to share information and ask for assistance about the Baden region of Baden-Württemberg, Germany. I'd love to upload your "wanted men from Baden" lists to Baden Genealogy. Would you please allow me to do this? I'd be happy to have you as a member to this group if you are interested. You're very welcome to join us at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1405028003059446/ Andreas in Karlsruhe On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Jon Scott <jonbar@tele2.de> wrote: > Hello Dawn, > > I have a list of names in Baden in which there are 4 Bernhards > listed, so I am not so sure that the surname is so rare. This is just > Baden, and there are probably more in other parts of Germany also with > several variations.. These names are also widely scattered, Rastadt > (Rastatt) and Jestetten are opposite ends of Baden. > > Bernhard, Bernhard Hügelsheim, Rastadt Vorladung > Conscriptionspflichtiger, geboren 1825 1849 72 > Bernhard, Christian Präclusiverkenntnisse in Gantsachen > 1847 863 > Bernhard, Franz Xaver Dettighofen, Jestetten Vorladung > Conscriptionspflichtiger, geboren 1825 1849 163 > Bernhard, Valentin Schuldenliquidation und Gantedikte > 1847 738 > > > Jon > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Dora, There is no central database in old Germany. The first thing you will need to find the Christening record (birth records (civil) were not started in the Würtemberg region until 1875) is the exact village name. You will have to search every record in the area where they lived and you may find it. View my video on doing research in Germany - tinyurl.com/5twb3y6 BTW: another piece of information you will need is the family religion. Johanna, Joana, and Hanna are the same name. Susanna was a common name in Germany. In fact, with a name like Johanna Susanna, she was most likely called Susanna in her family. The German culture used Christian name - rufname instead of first name - middle name. They were usually known in their family by their rufname. They kept excellent records all over old Germany, but it is only the upper Rhine (south) that they are readily available to us. In the other regions they are less available, but still exist. These records are available on microfilm and may be rented at your local LDS Family History Center. About 10% have been indexed and are available online at FamilySearch. Few digitized records are available online. At 02:01 AM 9/29/2013, you wrote: >From: "Dora Smith" <villandra@gmail.com> >Subject: [BW] Fw: How might I find this birth record? > >Johanna Susanna Weiser/ Wiser was born, >according to her gravestone, 30 Apr 1809, in >Germany. She married Jacob Weiss/ Wise between >1832 and 1838, and subsequently they lived in >Highspire, Dauphin County, Pennsylvania. He >also formerly lived there, as his daughter by >his first marriage was born there according to her death certificate. > >She was also known as Joana Susanna, and her husband called her Hannah. > >I?m trying to figure out how her middle name >could have been Susanna if she was born in >Germany, but I?m told it?s not impossible. > >Jacob and Johanna owned five adjacent village >plots of land on the railroad track in downtown >Highspire, and there were two small wooden frame >houses on this land. In the 1870 census, their >next door neighbors were their daughter Regina >E., her husband, Peter Day, and their son >Charles. I?m figuring the Day family lived in >the other small wood frame house. The census >tells us that Jacob and Johanna were both born >in Pennsylvania, Regina and Charles were born in >Pennsylvania, but Peter Day was born in >Wurttemberg. Actually, Jacob Weiss was born in >Switzerland, Johanna was born in Germany, and >Peter, Regina and Charles were all born in >Pennsylvania. Peter was of English stock and >didn?t even have ancestors from >Wurttemburg. Since Wurttemburg is in Germany, >not in Pennsylvania and not in Switzerland, I >tend to suspect that Johanna was from >Wurttemberg, and the census enumerator was scrambled. > >I understand that the ministers of Wurttemberg >kept excellent records. On the lower Rhine, >German ministers in fact kept excellent records >hundreds of years before this. But where are >the records kept? Is there any central >database or index I could use if I know >someone?s name, their exact date of birth, and I >know they are from Wurttemburg? > >Ancestry and Family Search aren?t being much help. > >Thanks! > >Yours, >Dora Smith ____________________________________________________________ Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/52482d7460e9a2d732a54st04vuc
Actually, the census says that both Peter Day and his wife Regina E, who was born in Pennsylvania and was the daughter of Jacob and Johanna Weiss, were born in Wurttemberg, both to parents of foreign birth. Actually they were born in Pennsylvania and his parents before him, but her parents were of foreign birth and Johanna was born in Germany, so I suspect she was from Wurttemburg. Dora From: Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:02 PM To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com Subject: Fw: How might I find this birth record? Johanna Susanna Weiser/ Wiser was born, according to her gravestone, 30 Apr 1809, in Germany. She married Jacob Weiss/ Wise between 1832 and 1838, and subsequently they lived in Highspire, Dauphin County, Pennsylvania. He also formerly lived there, as his daughter by his first marriage was born there according to her death certificate. She was also known as Joana Susanna, and her husband called her Hannah. I’m trying to figure out how her middle name could have been Susanna if she was born in Germany, but I’m told it’s not impossible. Jacob and Johanna owned five adjacent village plots of land on the railroad track in downtown Highspire, and there were two small wooden frame houses on this land. In the 1870 census, their next door neighbors were their daughter Regina E., her husband, Peter Day, and their son Charles. I’m figuring the Day family lived in the other small wood frame house. The census tells us that Jacob and Johanna were both born in Pennsylvania, Regina and Charles were born in Pennsylvania, but Peter Day was born in Wurttemberg. Actually, Jacob Weiss was born in Switzerland, Johanna was born in Germany, and Peter, Regina and Charles were all born in Pennsylvania. Peter was of English stock and didn’t even have ancestors from Wurttemburg. Since Wurttemburg is in Germany, not in Pennsylvania and not in Switzerland, I tend to suspect that Johanna was from Wurttemberg, and the census enumerator was scrambled. I understand that the ministers of Wurttemberg kept excellent records. On the lower Rhine, German ministers in fact kept excellent records hundreds of years before this. But where are the records kept? Is there any central database or index I could use if I know someone’s name, their exact date of birth, and I know they are from Wurttemburg? Ancestry and Family Search aren’t being much help. Thanks! Yours, Dora Smith
Johanna Susanna Weiser/ Wiser, born in 1809, in Germany and possibly in Wurttemberg, married Jacob Weiss in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, in the mid 1830’s. She was his second wife, and all I can learn about the first wife is that she may have been from England and she was almost certainly the mother of Jacob’s first child, Mary Louisa. Mary Louisa lived ot reach adulthood, and she was called Mary. Johanna’s children with Jacob Weiss were Sarah Elizabeth, Henrietta Caroline, Mary Ann (who was born when Mary Louisa was 11 years old and also lived, and was called Mary, atleast as an adult), Barbara Anna (who didn’t live), Regina E, Jason, and possibly Alice Johanna, though I think this girl was Sarah Elizabeth’s illegitimate daughter and just happened to be living in her parents’ household during one census. The first wife may possibly have been Rebecca Elliot, because a Jacob Weiss married such a woman in 1829 in Harrisburg, not necessarily the same man. Mary Louisa named her first child Emma Rebecca – and didn’t repeat any other names that the descendants of Johanna used. Sarah Elizabeth named her first daughter Alice Johanna, and her second daughter Caroline. No boys were named Jason or Jacob. Henrietta Caroline, who was consistently called Caroline H as an adult, named her first daughter Joanna, her second daughter Caroline, her third daughter Mary, her fourth daughter Eve or else Emma, her next daughter Estella or else Anna, her next daughter Delilah or Delia, and her last daughter Alice. Regina had only sons. Mary Ann named her first daughter Eva, her next daughter Lillian, her next daughter Bessie, her next daughter Carrie, and her next daughter Annie, and I thought there was an Alice who didn’t live. “Jason” did not live to reach adulthood and did not appear in another census, so he died. Conceivably this was an Anglicized version of Jacob. No other child in the family was ever named after Jacob Weiss, though every single daughter of his had sons. Are any of the names that repeat in the family likely to help identify Johanna’s mother, or her sisters? Yours, Dora Smith
Johanna Susanna Weiser/ Wiser was born, according to her gravestone, 30 Apr 1809, in Germany. She married Jacob Weiss/ Wise between 1832 and 1838, and subsequently they lived in Highspire, Dauphin County, Pennsylvania. He also formerly lived there, as his daughter by his first marriage was born there according to her death certificate. She was also known as Joana Susanna, and her husband called her Hannah. I’m trying to figure out how her middle name could have been Susanna if she was born in Germany, but I’m told it’s not impossible. Jacob and Johanna owned five adjacent village plots of land on the railroad track in downtown Highspire, and there were two small wooden frame houses on this land. In the 1870 census, their next door neighbors were their daughter Regina E., her husband, Peter Day, and their son Charles. I’m figuring the Day family lived in the other small wood frame house. The census tells us that Jacob and Johanna were both born in Pennsylvania, Regina and Charles were born in Pennsylvania, but Peter Day was born in Wurttemberg. Actually, Jacob Weiss was born in Switzerland, Johanna was born in Germany, and Peter, Regina and Charles were all born in Pennsylvania. Peter was of English stock and didn’t even have ancestors from Wurttemburg. Since Wurttemburg is in Germany, not in Pennsylvania and not in Switzerland, I tend to suspect that Johanna was from Wurttemberg, and the census enumerator was scrambled. I understand that the ministers of Wurttemberg kept excellent records. On the lower Rhine, German ministers in fact kept excellent records hundreds of years before this. But where are the records kept? Is there any central database or index I could use if I know someone’s name, their exact date of birth, and I know they are from Wurttemburg? Ancestry and Family Search aren’t being much help. Thanks! Yours, Dora Smith
Thank you! I am assuming that as spelling was "unreliable" then, they may all be the same family?! BERNHARDT is the spelling used in this "enlightened" age but I have seen if many other ways. Burnhead was the best and also, Bernharolt in the 1901 census of England done in India - hastily amended, that was. Only one Bernharolt there was - Uncle Fred, Mum's uncle. Dawn -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marvin Hoerig Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2013 6:16 AM To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Bernhard Dawn, Jon, et al, There were a total of 31 Prisoners held at Rastatt during the 1848/49 Revolution. There were: 3 Bernard 22 Bernhard 5 Bernhardt 1 Bernhart Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Scott" <jonbar@tele2.de> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:44 PM To: <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BW] Bernhard > Hello Dawn, > > I have a list of names in Baden in which there are 4 Bernhards > listed, so I am not so sure that the surname is so rare. This is just > Baden, and there are probably more in other parts of Germany also with > several variations.. These names are also widely scattered, Rastadt > (Rastatt) and Jestetten are opposite ends of Baden. > > Bernhard, Bernhard Hügelsheim, Rastadt Vorladung > Conscriptionspflichtiger, geboren 1825 1849 72 > Bernhard, Christian Präclusiverkenntnisse in Gantsachen 1847 863 > Bernhard, Franz Xaver Dettighofen, Jestetten Vorladung > Conscriptionspflichtiger, geboren 1825 1849 163 > Bernhard, Valentin Schuldenliquidation und Gantedikte 1847 738 > > > Jon > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
It does sound as if it is more common than I have been led to believe, for sure! These are all earlier than I need right now to find Fred's birth/baptism but any could well be his family - natural and or "adoptive". Perhaps I will never know... Thank you Jon Dawn -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jon Scott Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2013 4:44 AM To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com Subject: [BW] Bernhard Hello Dawn, I have a list of names in Baden in which there are 4 Bernhards listed, so I am not so sure that the surname is so rare. This is just Baden, and there are probably more in other parts of Germany also with several variations.. These names are also widely scattered, Rastadt (Rastatt) and Jestetten are opposite ends of Baden. Bernhard, Bernhard Hügelsheim, Rastadt Vorladung Conscriptionspflichtiger, geboren 1825 1849 72 Bernhard, Christian Präclusiverkenntnisse in Gantsachen 1847 863 Bernhard, Franz Xaver Dettighofen, Jestetten Vorladung Conscriptionspflichtiger, geboren 1825 1849 163 Bernhard, Valentin Schuldenliquidation und Gantedikte 1847 738 Jon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message