Hi James,   There is not a central repository in Germany for finding your ancestors... so it is important to try to determine the city or town they came from.  I know that is part of the problem because all you may find in US records is that they came from Baden which is only somewhat helpful.    1.  Look at all original documentation you can in the US... indexes and transcriptions often miss some details that might give you the town or city.   Death certificates and marriage certificates may have this besides passenger lists used for immigration.   If you are really lucky the naturalization papers may have it but in my family all they ever cited was the country not even the region like Baden!    2.  Join surname lists or boards and see if you can find where others with the same surname came from.   This just may lead you to the right place but if it is a common last name may be of little help. 3.  Don't assume the spelling you see is what was used where they came from.  This is really important because many folks had spellings Anglicized via the immigration process and census takers were not always great spellers or listeners!   Also spelling was not standardized until about the mid 1900s because people were not as hung up on using one spelling.  I have many documents were spelling shifts like  Reis vs Reiss vs Ries vs Riess and Verner Werner Woerner or even Warner...    Some letters were often mixed up..  D and T, P and B, S and Z  (Simmerman vs Zimmerman (and sometimes a double n at the end).  Fischer, Fisher and Fizure....     My Gebhardt (not from Baden but from other places in Germany) shows up as Gebhardt, Gebhart, Gebhard, Gephart, Gephard, and Gephardt....    4.  When posting for help give the full name and anything you do know... birth day, approximate birth year... spouse name, religion (because some towns in Germany were mainly Catholic and others Lutheran or Baptist (Anabaptist), etc.   Once again not 100% but it can help narrow the search.  Sometimes family stories help and sometimes they are just plain wrong...  follow their lead but let it go if you find something that points you elsewhere... case in point, my mother told me that my Reiss Woerner grandparents came from the same town, Baden Baden... well neither came from their... Reiss came from Rettigheim, Baden and Woerner came from Appenweier, Karlsruhl    so much for family stories.... 5.  Interview all the old people in your family... sometimes they have info they don't realize they have...    6.  Church records can be no pun intended, a God send, because often immigrants clustered together in a community and went to the same church...  look at who were the godparents and if any parents are listed.   At the Shrine of St. Joseph Church in St. Louis we found a wealth of info in baptism records which helped us find family....    7.  Look at the http://www.online-ofb.de/   this is the Germen GenWiki site.   You can use an online free translator like google language or www.freetranslation.com to translate the website.   You might get lucky and find your person!   8.  Check online geneanet.org  (there is both a free and paid side)...  you might find clues there from other family posting info...  of course remember these are user donated trees so they can have wrong info... check anything you find against real records.    And LDS https://familysearch.org/search    9.   try browsing through http://www.dad-recherche.de/hmb/Deutsche%20Auswanderer-Datenbank%20English.htm        http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wggerman/ http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/web/54816 http://www.auswanderer-bw.de/sixcms/detail.php?template=a_artikel&id=6591&sprache=en http://www.immigrantships.net/ Hope that helps! Laura        >________________________________ > From: James Schafer <bro_james@hotmail.com> >To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:24 PM >Subject: [BW] Best way to find information > > >I'm a newbie and want to post a request for help in finding my >ancestors. BUT, I want to follow the correct protocol, therefore, is >there a right/wrong way to  post requests? > >Specifically, I'm trying to locate ancestors of family members who came >from the Grand Duchy of Baden, but that is all I know about their >location before coming to the USA. I have documentation for my ancestor >after he arrived in the USA, but none beyond our shores. > >Thanks for your help, >James Schafer >SETexas, USA > > >--- >This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >http://www.avast.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Dorothy, Thanks for getting back to me. I found my ggf on the same records and he was buried from that same church! Bur, my ggf wasn't a member of the church and he was buried as a non-Quaker at the Darby Friends Burial Ground - no headstone because he wasn't a member. He died in 1886. Isabelle On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Dorothy Klein <scubamama@aol.com> wrote: > > Isabelle, > > It was on Ancestry under Pennsylvania Church and Town Records. Last year > about this time Ancestry added that database of records from the > Pennsylvania Historical Society. My relatives were found in the St James > Evangelical Church Records, however I have never been able to find their > graves. My great grandmother's burial was in Milltown, Montgomery County > according to St James, but according to Philadelphia Death Records it was > Summerville, Montgomery County. My great grandfather had no burial place > listed and there is no death record for him although he died in 1884. His > daughter who died two months before him was listed in St James as being > buried in Milltown, Montgomery County, but her Philly Death record says > Cheltenham, Montgomery County. Sometimes when one door opens another closes. > > Dottie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Isabelle Addis <ikaddis@gmail.com> > To: baden-wurttemberg <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 5:15 pm > Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 > > > Hi, please tell me the name of the Philadelphia church. > Thanks, Isabelle > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Dottie Klein <scubamama@aol.com> wrote: > > > Thanks Tom > > After many years searching for my great grandparents and where they came > > from in Wurttemberg I found their church in Philadelphia. The church > > included their villages in their death listing! I thought I had died and > > gone to heaven. It opened up so many records. > > I struggled and failed with the Old German records, but then learned > there > > was an Ortsippenbuch, which I probably, misspelled available. I bought it > > and it made things so much easier. They came from Schopfloch and > > Oberiflingen. > > Thanks again for your info! > > Dottie > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Tom Kuehn <kuehngenes@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Dottie, I just got lucky. > > > > > > A person in Northern Germany found my website and contacted me about a > > > sister-in-law to one of my ancestors. We exchanged information, and > > struck > > > up a friendship. He was instrumental in interceding on my behalf, > > > contacting a researcher in Baden, and then he also contacted a museum > > that > > > covered Weingarten archives. And he helped translate the old German > > script. > > > > > > I would not know how to find a person to help, and how to communicate > > with > > > them. In my efforts, the person in Germany writes to me in German and I > > > respond in English and it works out quite well - thanks to translation > > > software. The trick is reading the old German script and rewriting it > in > > > current German. Baden script I could not read, but Weingarten is not as > > > difficult. > > > > > > Bottom line, the person found me because he found value in what I had > > > posted publicly of my website. I reciprocated by helping him with USA > > > research, and I sent him a book published associated with church in > > > Southwestern Missouri that had stories about the German immigrants > > > including the one he had inquired about. > > > > > > The real trick is that you have to find the place your ancestor came > > from - > > > which I did know from cemetery and other records in the St. Louis area. > > > Working backward got me to Germany. It is all pick and shovel work! > > > > > > The most important thing is to find the town they come from in Germany. > > > Obituary records often help, but what is listed as from Germany, is > > > sometimes Alsace-Lorraine because the person died while that area was > > > occupied by Germany. Then searching church book records page by page > (no > > > index) you can find family members. > > > > > > Another tool that I learned of from the local Family History Center is > a > > > series of books called "Map Guide to German Parish Registers: Kingdom > of > > > Württemberg by Kevan M. Hansen. It maps out the Districts of the > Kingdom > > > with Parish / Town Cross reference tables for each completed district. > > Not > > > all districts are completed yet. The two districts I was interested in > > > were: Donaukreis (which includes Ravensburg -> Weingarten), and > > Neckarkreis > > > (which includes Grand Duchy of Baden). As I recall the maps relate to > the > > > 1871 timeframe for Kingdom of Württemberg. > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > Tom > > > > > >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Dottie Klein <scubamama@aol.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Tom > > >> Great info! I was wondering how you found someone in BW to research > the > > >> emigration records. I know the places they emigrated from but would > > love to > > >> learn more. > > >> Thanks > > >> Dottie > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Isabelle, It was on Ancestry under Pennsylvania Church and Town Records. Last year about this time Ancestry added that database of records from the Pennsylvania Historical Society. My relatives were found in the St James Evangelical Church Records, however I have never been able to find their graves. My great grandmother's burial was in Milltown, Montgomery County according to St James, but according to Philadelphia Death Records it was Summerville, Montgomery County. My great grandfather had no burial place listed and there is no death record for him although he died in 1884. His daughter who died two months before him was listed in St James as being buried in Milltown, Montgomery County, but her Philly Death record says Cheltenham, Montgomery County. Sometimes when one door opens another closes. Dottie -----Original Message----- From: Isabelle Addis <ikaddis@gmail.com> To: baden-wurttemberg <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 Hi, please tell me the name of the Philadelphia church. Thanks, Isabelle On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Dottie Klein <scubamama@aol.com> wrote: > Thanks Tom > After many years searching for my great grandparents and where they came > from in Wurttemberg I found their church in Philadelphia. The church > included their villages in their death listing! I thought I had died and > gone to heaven. It opened up so many records. > I struggled and failed with the Old German records, but then learned there > was an Ortsippenbuch, which I probably, misspelled available. I bought it > and it made things so much easier. They came from Schopfloch and > Oberiflingen. > Thanks again for your info! > Dottie > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Tom Kuehn <kuehngenes@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Dottie, I just got lucky. > > > > A person in Northern Germany found my website and contacted me about a > > sister-in-law to one of my ancestors. We exchanged information, and > struck > > up a friendship. He was instrumental in interceding on my behalf, > > contacting a researcher in Baden, and then he also contacted a museum > that > > covered Weingarten archives. And he helped translate the old German > script. > > > > I would not know how to find a person to help, and how to communicate > with > > them. In my efforts, the person in Germany writes to me in German and I > > respond in English and it works out quite well - thanks to translation > > software. The trick is reading the old German script and rewriting it in > > current German. Baden script I could not read, but Weingarten is not as > > difficult. > > > > Bottom line, the person found me because he found value in what I had > > posted publicly of my website. I reciprocated by helping him with USA > > research, and I sent him a book published associated with church in > > Southwestern Missouri that had stories about the German immigrants > > including the one he had inquired about. > > > > The real trick is that you have to find the place your ancestor came > from - > > which I did know from cemetery and other records in the St. Louis area. > > Working backward got me to Germany. It is all pick and shovel work! > > > > The most important thing is to find the town they come from in Germany. > > Obituary records often help, but what is listed as from Germany, is > > sometimes Alsace-Lorraine because the person died while that area was > > occupied by Germany. Then searching church book records page by page (no > > index) you can find family members. > > > > Another tool that I learned of from the local Family History Center is a > > series of books called "Map Guide to German Parish Registers: Kingdom of > > Württemberg by Kevan M. Hansen. It maps out the Districts of the Kingdom > > with Parish / Town Cross reference tables for each completed district. > Not > > all districts are completed yet. The two districts I was interested in > > were: Donaukreis (which includes Ravensburg -> Weingarten), and > Neckarkreis > > (which includes Grand Duchy of Baden). As I recall the maps relate to the > > 1871 timeframe for Kingdom of Württemberg. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Tom > > > >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Dottie Klein <scubamama@aol.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Tom > >> Great info! I was wondering how you found someone in BW to research the > >> emigration records. I know the places they emigrated from but would > love to > >> learn more. > >> Thanks > >> Dottie > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Depending on what they were carrying and who they had with them, people usually came to and from ports by water, at least as far as they could. After 1830 or so, they also usually had some control over their port of departure, because shipping lines established regular routes and shippers had a better understanding of the navigational lanes and trade winds, based on charts developed by Matthew Fontaine Maury in the mid-century. In addition, people usually went to a place that they "knew" or where they could find others they knew. For example, a family that left Basel Augst in 1821 had already sent their son and another young man to America to find the right place to settle. He sent a letter home telling them to come to Pittsburgh, but he evaluated Philadelphia, Baltimore, Cincy, St. Louis, and New Orleans. They traveled up the Rhine to Rotterdam and took a mail packet (clearly there was money in the family) to New Haven Connecticut. >From there, they traveled on a variety of methods to Pittsburgh, including using the trans Appalachian canal. Once here in Pittsburgh, they utilized to rivers to move their goods (shoes, wood, leather and textiles) as far as New Orleans. By the 1840s and 1850s, regular traffic moved people not only west, but east, from New Orleans to points north, and east. You can find out where they had connections also by looking at baptism records The placement of godparents, especially among Germans but also other groups, can tell you a lot about where the families were living, who helped them, and who they thought could help them in the future. A child with his parents as his god parents was truly as isolated child. Those parents may have been in transit, but it demonstrated a truly frightening rift in the web of kinship and connections that economically, culturally, and socially supported a child into his/her adulthood, and supported parents in the raising of children. Ruth

Hi, please tell me the name of the Philadelphia church. Thanks, Isabelle On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Dottie Klein <scubamama@aol.com> wrote: > Thanks Tom > After many years searching for my great grandparents and where they came > from in Wurttemberg I found their church in Philadelphia. The church > included their villages in their death listing! I thought I had died and > gone to heaven. It opened up so many records. > I struggled and failed with the Old German records, but then learned there > was an Ortsippenbuch, which I probably, misspelled available. I bought it > and it made things so much easier. They came from Schopfloch and > Oberiflingen. > Thanks again for your info! > Dottie > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Tom Kuehn <kuehngenes@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Dottie, I just got lucky. > > > > A person in Northern Germany found my website and contacted me about a > > sister-in-law to one of my ancestors. We exchanged information, and > struck > > up a friendship. He was instrumental in interceding on my behalf, > > contacting a researcher in Baden, and then he also contacted a museum > that > > covered Weingarten archives. And he helped translate the old German > script. > > > > I would not know how to find a person to help, and how to communicate > with > > them. In my efforts, the person in Germany writes to me in German and I > > respond in English and it works out quite well - thanks to translation > > software. The trick is reading the old German script and rewriting it in > > current German. Baden script I could not read, but Weingarten is not as > > difficult. > > > > Bottom line, the person found me because he found value in what I had > > posted publicly of my website. I reciprocated by helping him with USA > > research, and I sent him a book published associated with church in > > Southwestern Missouri that had stories about the German immigrants > > including the one he had inquired about. > > > > The real trick is that you have to find the place your ancestor came > from - > > which I did know from cemetery and other records in the St. Louis area. > > Working backward got me to Germany. It is all pick and shovel work! > > > > The most important thing is to find the town they come from in Germany. > > Obituary records often help, but what is listed as from Germany, is > > sometimes Alsace-Lorraine because the person died while that area was > > occupied by Germany. Then searching church book records page by page (no > > index) you can find family members. > > > > Another tool that I learned of from the local Family History Center is a > > series of books called "Map Guide to German Parish Registers: Kingdom of > > Württemberg by Kevan M. Hansen. It maps out the Districts of the Kingdom > > with Parish / Town Cross reference tables for each completed district. > Not > > all districts are completed yet. The two districts I was interested in > > were: Donaukreis (which includes Ravensburg -> Weingarten), and > Neckarkreis > > (which includes Grand Duchy of Baden). As I recall the maps relate to the > > 1871 timeframe for Kingdom of Württemberg. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Tom > > > >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Dottie Klein <scubamama@aol.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Tom > >> Great info! I was wondering how you found someone in BW to research the > >> emigration records. I know the places they emigrated from but would > love to > >> learn more. > >> Thanks > >> Dottie > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Tom After many years searching for my great grandparents and where they came from in Wurttemberg I found their church in Philadelphia. The church included their villages in their death listing! I thought I had died and gone to heaven. It opened up so many records. I struggled and failed with the Old German records, but then learned there was an Ortsippenbuch, which I probably, misspelled available. I bought it and it made things so much easier. They came from Schopfloch and Oberiflingen. Thanks again for your info! Dottie Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Tom Kuehn <kuehngenes@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dottie, I just got lucky. > > A person in Northern Germany found my website and contacted me about a > sister-in-law to one of my ancestors. We exchanged information, and struck > up a friendship. He was instrumental in interceding on my behalf, > contacting a researcher in Baden, and then he also contacted a museum that > covered Weingarten archives. And he helped translate the old German script. > > I would not know how to find a person to help, and how to communicate with > them. In my efforts, the person in Germany writes to me in German and I > respond in English and it works out quite well - thanks to translation > software. The trick is reading the old German script and rewriting it in > current German. Baden script I could not read, but Weingarten is not as > difficult. > > Bottom line, the person found me because he found value in what I had > posted publicly of my website. I reciprocated by helping him with USA > research, and I sent him a book published associated with church in > Southwestern Missouri that had stories about the German immigrants > including the one he had inquired about. > > The real trick is that you have to find the place your ancestor came from - > which I did know from cemetery and other records in the St. Louis area. > Working backward got me to Germany. It is all pick and shovel work! > > The most important thing is to find the town they come from in Germany. > Obituary records often help, but what is listed as from Germany, is > sometimes Alsace-Lorraine because the person died while that area was > occupied by Germany. Then searching church book records page by page (no > index) you can find family members. > > Another tool that I learned of from the local Family History Center is a > series of books called "Map Guide to German Parish Registers: Kingdom of > Württemberg by Kevan M. Hansen. It maps out the Districts of the Kingdom > with Parish / Town Cross reference tables for each completed district. Not > all districts are completed yet. The two districts I was interested in > were: Donaukreis (which includes Ravensburg -> Weingarten), and Neckarkreis > (which includes Grand Duchy of Baden). As I recall the maps relate to the > 1871 timeframe for Kingdom of Württemberg. > > Hope that helps. > Tom > >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Dottie Klein <scubamama@aol.com> wrote: >> >> Tom >> Great info! I was wondering how you found someone in BW to research the >> emigration records. I know the places they emigrated from but would love to >> learn more. >> Thanks >> Dottie >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Welcome to the list, Anne! Good luck in your search. Jerrian -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Yard Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:36 AM To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com Subject: [BW] New list member - Surnames Wenzel, Aaron, Hans, Horn I am new to this list. I am seeking information about these ancestors: PHILLIP WENZEL Born May, 1846 in, depending on which census you're looking at: Bavaria or Baden or Wurttemberg Came to U.S. circa 1870 (source: various censuses, no passenger record found) Parents John Wenzel and Annie Aaron (according to Long Island City Register of Marriages 1886 upon his marriage to Fredericka Hans) First wife perhaps named Mary? CHRISTOPHER HANS Born circa 1825 in, depending on the source, Longstein (where the heck is that?), Baden, Darmstadt According to family story, came to U.S. in 1860 with wife (Hannah Horn) and 4-year-old daughter Fredericka. According to Fredericka's marriage record to Phillip Wenzel, her parents' names were Christopher Hans and Hannah Horn. I've been trying to puzzle out the origins of these two families for a while. As an example of the problems - in the 1880 Census, Christopher Hans is listed as born in Longstein, his wife Hannah is listed as born in Baden, and their daughter Fredericka - married and living in a different household - is listed as born in Darmstadt. Oy! If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them. Anne Yard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm wondering if any of you are having problems with the FTM 2014 software? After the last update I noticed that some of the new names added to the file weren't being properly indexed in order. The sort function would work, but I had to use it every time I opened up the file. Now that I am up to over 18,000 names I can't open the corrupted file. The techs I talked to at Ancestry.com after calling the 800 number haven't been able to provide a solution. Bert Balt Rochester, NY

Robert, One of the routes to La Havre was actually through Strasbourg. This is a link to an article I wrote many years ago that showed the route my Buehlertal, Baden ancestors took from Baden to the U.S. http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=connection;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebspace%2Ewebring%2Ecom%2Fpeople%2Fau%2Fum_5370%2Fnixon%2Ehtml Regarding other posts about locating towns of birth.......there was an awesome census taker in the 1860s in St. Louis, he actually put down the town of birth for all immigrants for the census area he covered!  There are little gems out there just waiting to be picked! Jan Ancestors from Buehlertal, Baden:  Reinschmidt, Schmieder, Schmidt, Baumann, Daum, Fritz and many more Message: 5 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:43:23 -0500 (EST) From: RValois368@aol.com Subject: Re: [BW] travel to America To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8bd6f.21b9d03c.402e502b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Boyval dit Valois My Valois (a French name) appeared in Rastatt in 1768-a  marriage. Louis had been born in Strasbourg in 1738. He was a Hussar in  the Baden military. So he got to Rastatt before 1768--when? He married another  trooper's daughter. Their name? Corde\Corte\Di Corte. How--by what means or route did my ggrandfather, in late 1849  get from Rastatt to Le Havre? Robert A. Valois  ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 08:57:22 -0800 (PST) From: Ronald and Laura <rlboz@att.net> Subject: Re: [BW] travel to America To: "baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com" <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:     <1392310642.39510.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It looks like today it is 6 hours and 31 min by car. ?So I would think wagon or coach might be a good guess from Rastatt to Strasbourg then train to Le Havre. ? This is a good write up for someone going from Basel to Strasbourg to Le Havre.. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SWITZERLAND/2000-04/0956068808 Laura >________________________________ > From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 10:43 AM >Subject: Re: [BW] travel to America > > >Boyval dit Valois > >My Valois (a French name) appeared in Rastatt in 1768-a? marriage. >Louis had been born in Strasbourg in 1738. He was a Hussar in? the Baden >military. So he got to Rastatt before 1768--when? He married another? >trooper's daughter. Their name? Corde\Corte\Di Corte. > >How--by what means or route did my ggrandfather, in late 1849? get from >Rastatt to Le Havre? > >Robert A. Valois? > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ To contact the BADEN-WURTTEMBERG list administrator, send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BADEN-WURTTEMBERG mailing list, send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 41 ************************************************

Family Tree Maker has never been quite right, and it's been going downhill from there for years. You can install Personal Ancestral File from the LDS web site for free on Windows 7 and older computers, and it's companion for reports for under $10. You can also install free editions of Legacy and Roots Magic, and the full versions are $30. They're both good programs, and they both have taken over with LDS where Personal Ancestral File left off, if that matters to you, which it probably doesn't if you have FTM. Dora -----Original Message----- From: JandB178@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:51 AM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: [BW] Problem With Family Tree Maker 2014 Software I'm wondering if any of you are having problems with the FTM 2014 software? After the last update I noticed that some of the new names added to the file weren't being properly indexed in order. The sort function would work, but I had to use it every time I opened up the file. Now that I am up to over 18,000 names I can't open the corrupted file. The techs I talked to at Ancestry.com after calling the 800 number haven't been able to provide a solution. Bert Balt Rochester, NY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Did you try the backup file, it should not be corrupted. PT On 2/13/2014 11:51 AM, JandB178@aol.com wrote: > I'm wondering if any of you are having problems with the FTM 2014 > software? After the last update I noticed that some of the new names added to the > file weren't being properly indexed in order. The sort function would > work, but I had to use it every time I opened up the file. Now that I am up > to over 18,000 names I can't open the corrupted file. > > The techs I talked to at Ancestry.com after calling the 800 number haven't > been able to provide a solution. > > Bert Balt > Rochester, NY > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Boyval dit Valois My Valois (a French name) appeared in Rastatt in 1768-a marriage. Louis had been born in Strasbourg in 1738. He was a Hussar in the Baden military. So he got to Rastatt before 1768--when? He married another trooper's daughter. Their name? Corde\Corte\Di Corte. How--by what means or route did my ggrandfather, in late 1849 get from Rastatt to Le Havre? Robert A. Valois

New Orleans was a prominent port of entry for German speaking immigrants to American. Some of them journeyed upriver to St. Louis and settled in that area. www.deutcheshaus.org is a site worth your time if your ancestors arrived in New Orleans. All good wishes, James D. Groce (Gross) > From: odissanders@cox.net > To: sbechman@sbcglobal.net; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 01:11:52 -0600 > Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 > > My ancestors from the BW area came into New Orleans, La. > When you look at the ships manifest, there were many from BW. > Dot > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Bechman" <sbechman@sbcglobal.net> > To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 > > > It would likely depend on where they were headed and when they travelled. > > Prior to 1860, the most efficient transportation routes across / through the > US were by water, even to places that we wouldn't imagine travelling by > water today. For instance, my ancestor from Rastatt, Baden came to > Cincinnatti, Ohio in 1830 by way of New Orleans and travelling up the > Mississippi and Ohio Rivers. But my original presumption that they arrived > in New York or Philadelphia and then crossed by land to Ohio kept me blocked > from any research breakthroughs until a very wise and kind someone pointed > that out to me. > > -Stuart > > > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:12:17 -0500 > > From: Deloris Girard <delorisegcltd@gmail.com> > >Subject: [BW] Bringardner Surname > >To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com > > > >I am trying to find the port of arrival my ancestor arrived US from Baben, > >Baden. > > > >Any suggestions? > > > >Deloris > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am new to this list. I am seeking information about these ancestors: PHILLIP WENZEL Born May, 1846 in, depending on which census you’re looking at: Bavaria or Baden or Wurttemberg Came to U.S. circa 1870 (source: various censuses, no passenger record found) Parents John Wenzel and Annie Aaron (according to Long Island City Register of Marriages 1886 upon his marriage to Fredericka Hans) First wife perhaps named Mary? CHRISTOPHER HANS Born circa 1825 in, depending on the source, Longstein (where the heck is that?), Baden, Darmstadt According to family story, came to U.S. in 1860 with wife (Hannah Horn) and 4-year-old daughter Fredericka. According to Fredericka’s marriage record to Phillip Wenzel, her parents’ names were Christopher Hans and Hannah Horn. I’ve been trying to puzzle out the origins of these two families for a while. As an example of the problems - in the 1880 Census, Christopher Hans is listed as born in Longstein, his wife Hannah is listed as born in Baden, and their daughter Fredericka – married and living in a different household – is listed as born in Darmstadt. Oy! If anyone has any ideas, I’d love to hear them. Anne Yard

Dottie, I just got lucky. A person in Northern Germany found my website and contacted me about a sister-in-law to one of my ancestors. We exchanged information, and struck up a friendship. He was instrumental in interceding on my behalf, contacting a researcher in Baden, and then he also contacted a museum that covered Weingarten archives. And he helped translate the old German script. I would not know how to find a person to help, and how to communicate with them. In my efforts, the person in Germany writes to me in German and I respond in English and it works out quite well - thanks to translation software. The trick is reading the old German script and rewriting it in current German. Baden script I could not read, but Weingarten is not as difficult. Bottom line, the person found me because he found value in what I had posted publicly of my website. I reciprocated by helping him with USA research, and I sent him a book published associated with church in Southwestern Missouri that had stories about the German immigrants including the one he had inquired about. The real trick is that you have to find the place your ancestor came from - which I did know from cemetery and other records in the St. Louis area. Working backward got me to Germany. It is all pick and shovel work! The most important thing is to find the town they come from in Germany. Obituary records often help, but what is listed as from Germany, is sometimes Alsace-Lorraine because the person died while that area was occupied by Germany. Then searching church book records page by page (no index) you can find family members. Another tool that I learned of from the local Family History Center is a series of books called "Map Guide to German Parish Registers: Kingdom of Württemberg by Kevan M. Hansen. It maps out the Districts of the Kingdom with Parish / Town Cross reference tables for each completed district. Not all districts are completed yet. The two districts I was interested in were: Donaukreis (which includes Ravensburg -> Weingarten), and Neckarkreis (which includes Grand Duchy of Baden). As I recall the maps relate to the 1871 timeframe for Kingdom of Württemberg. Hope that helps. Tom On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Dottie Klein <scubamama@aol.com> wrote: > Tom > Great info! I was wondering how you found someone in BW to research the > emigration records. I know the places they emigrated from but would love to > learn more. > Thanks > Dottie > > Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Anne,   Welcome to the list!   Wenzel is also often seen as Wentzel.  So you might also try that spelling.  In 1846 Germany and France were not the countries we think of today.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_the_German_Confederation   instead it was a loose association of multiple states or duchies with allegiance to various different rulers...    Baden is once Duchy.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Baden   * 1830–1852: Leopold (* 1790; † 1852)  you can see where it it bordered by Hesse Darmstadt and Bavaria.  (Bavaria was considered a kingdom while Hesse Darmstadt another Duchy) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Baden_(1806-1945).png   this map shows how there is an area of Baden that is surrounded by Hesse Darmstadt and Bavaria... this might be a good area to look in....   Possibly your family lived close to all of the borders.   Longstein is a surname in Germany.   I wonder if the place is Lahnstein close to Koblenz?  https://www.google.com/search?q=Lahnstein&rlz=1C1ASUT_enUS485US485&oq=Lahnstein&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3.2513j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8 Hope this was of some help! Laura >________________________________ > From: Anne Yard <anneyp@earthlink.net> >To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:35 AM >Subject: [BW] New list member - Surnames Wenzel, Aaron, Hans, Horn > > >I am new to this list.  I am seeking information about these ancestors: > >PHILLIP WENZEL > >  Born May, 1846 in, depending on which census you’re looking at:  Bavaria or Baden or Wurttemberg > >  Came to U.S. circa 1870 (source: various censuses, no passenger record found) > >  Parents John Wenzel and Annie Aaron (according to Long Island City Register of Marriages 1886 upon his marriage to Fredericka Hans) > >  First wife perhaps named Mary? > > >CHRISTOPHER HANS > >  Born circa 1825 in, depending on the source, Longstein (where the heck is that?), Baden, Darmstadt > >  According to family story, came to U.S. in 1860 with wife (Hannah Horn) and 4-year-old daughter Fredericka. > >  According to Fredericka’s marriage record to Phillip Wenzel, her parents’ names were Christopher Hans and Hannah Horn. > > > >I’ve been trying to puzzle out the origins of these two families for a while.  As an example of the problems - in the 1880 Census, Christopher Hans is listed as born in Longstein, his wife Hannah is listed as born in Baden, and their daughter Fredericka – married and living in a different household – is listed as born in Darmstadt.  Oy! > > >If anyone has any ideas, I’d love to hear them.  > >Anne Yard > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

It looks like today it is 6 hours and 31 min by car.  So I would think wagon or coach might be a good guess from Rastatt to Strasbourg then train to Le Havre.   This is a good write up for someone going from Basel to Strasbourg to Le Havre.. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SWITZERLAND/2000-04/0956068808 Laura >________________________________ > From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 10:43 AM >Subject: Re: [BW] travel to America > > >Boyval dit Valois > >My Valois (a French name) appeared in Rastatt in 1768-a  marriage. >Louis had been born in Strasbourg in 1738. He was a Hussar in  the Baden >military. So he got to Rastatt before 1768--when? He married another  >trooper's daughter. Their name? Corde\Corte\Di Corte. > >How--by what means or route did my ggrandfather, in late 1849  get from >Rastatt to Le Havre? > >Robert A. Valois  > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Tom Great info! I was wondering how you found someone in BW to research the emigration records. I know the places they emigrated from but would love to learn more. Thanks Dottie Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:31 AM, Tom Kuehn <kuehngenes@gmail.com> wrote: > > For water transportation in the USA pre-1860, you might want to review "The > Geography of Transport > Systems<http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch2en/conc2en/map_american_canals_19th.html>" > which discusses American Canals in 19th century. A local Family History > Center volunteer identified this resource when I was trying to figure out > how one of my ancestors got from Philadelphia to St. Louis. If you have a > nearby Family History Center (check familysearch.org) the can be very > helpful. I have spent much time the last 3 years there looking at old > microfilms of German church book records. > > Two of my ancestor families came from BW. > > 1) Kühn requested to emigrate in Feb 1852 from Ötigheim, Baden, departed Le > Havre, France aboard SS Venice, arriving in New Orleans in Jun 1852; > traveled up Mississippi to St. Louis area. > > 2) Rist requested to emigrate in Jan 1854 from Altdorf (now Weingarten), > Württemberg, probably left via Le Havre, but sailed out of Liverpool, > England aboard SS City of Manchester and arrived in Philadelphia Apr 1854; > traveled via canals to Ohio River, then down the Ohio River to or near the > Mississippi River to reach upstream St. Louis area. > > My journey began by learning their immigration periods from US Census > records, and then finding them in Passenger Lists. > > You might also try the Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index to find out > when your ancestor requested emigration.This information is then helpful in > finding information from where they emigrated, the local process there, and > the value of their possessions when they left. > > If you are fortunate enough to find someone in Germany who can help, the > local records there often have emigration related papers. Through this, I > learned that my 3G-Grandparents had to petition the state for the early > release from military duty of my 2G-Grandfather so that he too could > emigrate. > > Good luck in your search. > Tom > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:11 AM, Dorothy A. Sanders <odissanders@cox.net>wrote: > >> My ancestors from the BW area came into New Orleans, La. >> When you look at the ships manifest, there were many from BW. >> Dot >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stuart Bechman" <sbechman@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 >> >> >> It would likely depend on where they were headed and when they travelled. >> >> Prior to 1860, the most efficient transportation routes across / through >> the >> US were by water, even to places that we wouldn't imagine travelling by >> water today. For instance, my ancestor from Rastatt, Baden came to >> Cincinnatti, Ohio in 1830 by way of New Orleans and travelling up the >> Mississippi and Ohio Rivers. But my original presumption that they arrived >> in New York or Philadelphia and then crossed by land to Ohio kept me >> blocked >> from any research breakthroughs until a very wise and kind someone pointed >> that out to me. >> >> -Stuart >> >> >> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:12:17 -0500 >> >> From: Deloris Girard <delorisegcltd@gmail.com> >>> Subject: [BW] Bringardner Surname >>> To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >>> >>> I am trying to find the port of arrival my ancestor arrived US from Baben, >>> Baden. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Deloris >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For water transportation in the USA pre-1860, you might want to review "The Geography of Transport Systems<http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch2en/conc2en/map_american_canals_19th.html>" which discusses American Canals in 19th century. A local Family History Center volunteer identified this resource when I was trying to figure out how one of my ancestors got from Philadelphia to St. Louis. If you have a nearby Family History Center (check familysearch.org) the can be very helpful. I have spent much time the last 3 years there looking at old microfilms of German church book records. Two of my ancestor families came from BW. 1) Kühn requested to emigrate in Feb 1852 from Ötigheim, Baden, departed Le Havre, France aboard SS Venice, arriving in New Orleans in Jun 1852; traveled up Mississippi to St. Louis area. 2) Rist requested to emigrate in Jan 1854 from Altdorf (now Weingarten), Württemberg, probably left via Le Havre, but sailed out of Liverpool, England aboard SS City of Manchester and arrived in Philadelphia Apr 1854; traveled via canals to Ohio River, then down the Ohio River to or near the Mississippi River to reach upstream St. Louis area. My journey began by learning their immigration periods from US Census records, and then finding them in Passenger Lists. You might also try the Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index to find out when your ancestor requested emigration.This information is then helpful in finding information from where they emigrated, the local process there, and the value of their possessions when they left. If you are fortunate enough to find someone in Germany who can help, the local records there often have emigration related papers. Through this, I learned that my 3G-Grandparents had to petition the state for the early release from military duty of my 2G-Grandfather so that he too could emigrate. Good luck in your search. Tom On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:11 AM, Dorothy A. Sanders <odissanders@cox.net>wrote: > My ancestors from the BW area came into New Orleans, La. > When you look at the ships manifest, there were many from BW. > Dot > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Bechman" <sbechman@sbcglobal.net> > To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 > > > It would likely depend on where they were headed and when they travelled. > > Prior to 1860, the most efficient transportation routes across / through > the > US were by water, even to places that we wouldn't imagine travelling by > water today. For instance, my ancestor from Rastatt, Baden came to > Cincinnatti, Ohio in 1830 by way of New Orleans and travelling up the > Mississippi and Ohio Rivers. But my original presumption that they arrived > in New York or Philadelphia and then crossed by land to Ohio kept me > blocked > from any research breakthroughs until a very wise and kind someone pointed > that out to me. > > -Stuart > > > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:12:17 -0500 > > From: Deloris Girard <delorisegcltd@gmail.com> > >Subject: [BW] Bringardner Surname > >To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com > > > >I am trying to find the port of arrival my ancestor arrived US from Baben, > >Baden. > > > >Any suggestions? > > > >Deloris > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dorothy, I have Sanders in my line.  But they came from Hannover.  http://www.emslanders.com/s.htm  This list shows how many of them travelled into the country. Laura >________________________________ > From: Dorothy A. Sanders <odissanders@cox.net> >To: Stuart Bechman <sbechman@sbcglobal.net>; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:11 AM >Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 > > >My ancestors from the BW area came into New Orleans, La. >When you look at the ships manifest, there were many from BW. >Dot >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stuart Bechman" <sbechman@sbcglobal.net> >To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:05 PM >Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 > > >It would likely depend on where they were headed and when they travelled. > >Prior to 1860, the most efficient transportation routes across / through the >US were by water, even to places that we wouldn't imagine travelling by >water today. For instance, my ancestor from Rastatt, Baden came to >Cincinnatti, Ohio in 1830 by way of New Orleans and travelling up the >Mississippi and Ohio Rivers. But my original presumption that they arrived >in New York or Philadelphia and then crossed by land to Ohio kept me blocked >from any research breakthroughs until a very wise and kind someone pointed >that out to me. > >-Stuart > > >Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:12:17 -0500 > >From: Deloris Girard <delorisegcltd@gmail.com> >>Subject: [BW] Bringardner Surname >>To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >> >>I am trying to find the port of arrival my ancestor arrived US from Baben, >>Baden. >> >>Any suggestions? >> >>Deloris >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >