Search for B a u e r not Bower. Bauer is german. Erika -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Norma Beil Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2014 20:23 An: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com Betreff: [BW] Bower Does anyone have a connection with Benedick or Benedict Bower born 1783 and who emigrated from Baden Baden Germany with his family in 1833 to the USA? His wife's name was Elizabeth Kell and the children were Joseph, Helen, Thomas, Genevieve, and Teresa. I believe Benedick's parents were Josephi Bower and Mariea Eggs. Norma ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I descend from glassmakers  a group of people who moved often and followed the economic tide.  The helped build all the churches in Europe, they had an enormously strong guild.   They were the only guild you could belong to and be a noble.  They were an interesting lot in that they owed allegiance first to the family / guild since you had to marry within the guild or only with guild permissions... then to the patron for whom they were working at that time (this could be an archbishop, a king, a duke, a count.... but someone with enough land, resources, and money to pay for glass which was anything but a cheap commodity until pressed glass came into being with the industrial revolution....   we still have distant cousins still making glass today!  I am sort of a repository of glass and glassmakers history.  I belong to a group of descendants of glassmakers.  We discovered by pooling all of our gedcoms into one enormous one that most of us descend from one couple in the 1600s in Wangenbourg (Michel Andres and his wife Apollonia Krieger).   So for me this is a labor of love for my family.   Being from this lineage (and that of Scottish crofters and builders and German and Swiss tradesman from other grandparent lines) I have had a real education in geography, politics, and history as we can trace most lines back to the 1600s if not the 1400s.  It makes for an interesting way to look at history from your own unique family perspectives.....   often my relatives fought my other relatives.....   I married a man of of Hungarian and German / Austrian / northern Italian ancestry...  we have great fun debating over who has the most family crests (a purely nonsensical pursuit as really only the first borns get to claim them and neither of us descend from first borns when you back 2 or 3 generations) and who won the most battles over the other's families...    of course we both like history!   I however am the one who does the genealogy so I typically win most debates by reminding him the only reason he knows any of this because of the work I have done at which point he kisses me and says something like I knew I married you for some reason!    Anyway,  this is loads of fun and I get to meet if only via email some of the worlds most interesting people! Many of my glassmaking line lived in the Black Forest areas, in Alsace and Lorraine with the most coming finally into Moselle (Meisenthal, Goetzenbruck, Montbronn, Soucht, and St Louis les Bitche).   But they all came in from Germany it seems sometime in the 1600s or earlier... My 4x great grandfather Georges dit Chambre Walter wrote a chronicle about the history of his family (one of my lines) that went back to the 1500s.  It shows this movement between what we call today France and Germany as being quite fluid... to the point that the glasshutten as they were called would be picked up on poles and loaded onto the back of wagons and moved to the next location! I have this chronicle in 3 languages, French, German, and English.  The French and German can be found on line at  http://wolf.greg.free.fr/documents/verriers.html Laura >________________________________ > From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >To: rlboz@att.net >Cc: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:31 PM >Subject: Re: [BW] Alsatian > > > >You are a smart lady. Alsatian, a Germanic language, is to the ear and tongue, very difficult.  >  >Perhaps this description of Alsatians fits us the best: I love this perfect excerpt from Michael Shurkin's article about Strasbourg in Zeek, February 2003………. >  >I discovered an interesting paradox about Alsatians. Listening in on their conversations, I was always impressed by, and jealous of, their apparent borderlessness. The Rhine meant nothing to them, for on either bank they maintained the same bizarre polyglot banter in which French, German, Alsatian, and Badisch were all entirely interchangeable. They literally switched languages from word to word, sentence to sentence. Sometimes I addressed them in French, sometimes in German. I don't know if they noticed one way or the other, and I can never recall in which language they had spoken to me. There are simply no boundaries on Südbadenbus 1076. How gloriously universalist, I thought. >  >But then I realized that the Alsatians' linguistic univeralism was in fact a marker of their particularism. By being both German and French they are neither German nor French. They are Alsatians, and out of a clash of identities they have derived their own, unique identity, which resolves the tensions between the two cultures while negating neither. Although Alsatians are touchy about how French or Germans perceive them, it is only because the French and the Germans occasionally question their loyalty. The Alsatians themselves are remarkably comfortable with their own cultural dualism and recognize in it their own distinctiveness. They do not fret about alienation.............. >          >  >Robert A. Valois >  >In a message dated 2/16/2014 7:38:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rlboz@att.net writes: >Well politically Alsace and Lporraine went back and forth between France and Germany.   The Alsatian language has Germanic tones to it.   >>Often the people in this Black Forest Region did not think so much as being French or German but as being from an area with a lot of Black Forest traditions that crossed the borders.   Families often lived across the borders and there was a lot of trade and economic travel between them as well.   I have seen members of my family from the 1400s on move back and forth several times following economic opportunities.   >> >>I think today, we think more in terms of national identity and in the past this was not so much the case as some of those areas were blurred... >>German dukes owned parts of France,  French nobility had holdings in what today is Germany, it was just more of a loose association of areas for economic or family reasons due to cross border marriages and inheritances.   >> >>My family was speaking German and then French and then German and then French depending upon the timeline.   My grandparents were already second generation American but could understand if not speak German yet they wanted me to learn French (go figure).  Seem that their grandparents could speak both and they wanted someone in the family to be able to read and understand letters an things they had and couldn't.    >> >>So I agree, back and forth.   This is why I always advise someone researching in east France or Western Germany to check areas in the other country.... sometimes you find your relatives moved there and you may not know why....     love?   economy?   running away from the law or transcription in military?   Many reasons..... >> >>Laura >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >>>To: rlboz@att.net; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >>>Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:30 PM >>>Subject: Re: [BW] Bower >>> >>> >>> >>>Gramps also told me - referring to Baden and Alsace--"back and >>forth, back and forth". >>>  >>>An ancestor did come from Strasbourg, but no evidence of >>repeated returns has been found nor any reason for it. >>>  >>>Robert A. Valois >>>  >>>In a message dated 2/16/2014 5:19:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>rlboz@att.net writes: >>>I think  this is fairly common because it is a large enough area that people may have  heard of it...    >>>> >>>>The same thing happened in my family and my >>  folks were from Appenweier and Rottingen so I think they picked the closest >>  big town >>>> >>>>I live in St. Louis unincorporated County but the closest >>  known place is Fenton so I often say I live in Fenton (we do have a Fenton >>  post office address) so I wonder if our ancestors did similar >>  things.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>> From: >>  "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >>>>>To: >>  baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:11 >>  PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [BW] Bower >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Funny this story >>  about our ancestors emigrating from  "Baden-Baden". My >>>>>grandfather told me that too. But they came from Rastatt,  Baden, >>  about 15 >>>>>miles away, never were they from >>  Baden-Baden. >>>>> >>>>>Robert A. Valois  >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>In >>  a message dated 2/16/2014 3:13:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  >>>>>erlast@t-online.de writes: >>>>> >>>>>Search  for  B a u >>  e r  not Bower. Bauer is  >>  german. >>>>> >>>>>Erika >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Ursprüngliche  >>  Nachricht----- >>>>>Von:  >>  baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>>>[mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com]  >>  Im Auftrag von Norma Beil >>>>>Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2014 >>  20:23 >>>>>An:  BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >>>>>Betreff: [BW] >>  Bower >>>>> >>>>>Does anyone have  a connection with Benedick or >>  Benedict Bower born 1783 >>>>>and who emigrated  from Baden Baden >>  Germany with his family in 1833 to >>>>>the USA? His wife's  name was >>  Elizabeth Kell and the children were >>>>>Joseph,  Helen, >>  Thomas,  Genevieve, and Teresa.  I believe Benedick's >>>>>parents were Josephi  Bower and Mariea >>  Eggs. >>>>>Norma >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To >>  unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email >>  to >>>>>BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the  word >>  'unsubscribe' without >>>>>the quotes in the subject and the body of >>  the  >>  message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To >>  unsubscribe from  the list, please send an email to >>>>>BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with  the word >>  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>>>>subject and the body of >>  the  >>  message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To >>  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>  BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>  quotes in the subject and the body of the >>  message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To >>  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>  BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>  quotes in the subject and the body of the >>message >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Have you seen these? http://books.google.com/books?id=JkoK_108xJkC&pg=PT558&lpg=PT558&dq=Krieg+von+Hochfelden+family&source=bl&ots=-Qnqy8Fp4l&sig=MWeoU7cdDMWyL5Yc5Cx9J7XUpxs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sHEBU6CCFOSwyQHaloG4Bg&ved=0CCMQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=Krieg%20von%20Hochfelden%20family&f=false from  Plett - Schmidseder By K. G. Saur Verlag GmbH & Company  psge 530 http://www.online-ofb.de/famreport.php?ofb=stetten&ID=5081&nachname=KRIEG%20VON%20HOCHFELDEN&lang=de http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von   so this would indicate that her last name is Krieg not Hochfeld is she came from the Krieg von Hochfeld line which means the Krieg family from Hochfeld. Laura >________________________________ > From: David Kruchten <david.kruchten@gmail.com> >To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 5:46 PM >Subject: [BW] Krieg von Hochfelden > > >Hi, >Is anyone familiar with the family Krieg von Hochfelden from near >Karlsruhe and Rastatt? One of my ancestors was Anna Maria Hochfeld. She was >born around 1799 and lived most of her life in Warsaw, Poland. Family >letters and papers say she was from a noble family from the Alsace-Lorraine >region, specifically the von Hochfeld or von Hochfelden family. I'm trying >to figure out who her parents and ancestors were. I have one lead that >indicates they may have lived in Insterburg(currently Russia) before >Warsaw, with the last name Krieg. > >It appears there is a family with the last name Krieg von Hochfelden that >lived in the Karlsruhe area. I'm wondering if anyone knows of how this >family came from the town of Hochfelden to Karlsruhe and potentially how >they went from Karlsruhe to Insterburg. I know this is a lot of jumping >around, but it was over a few generations and during more turbulent times! >Her husband's parents were killed in the Siege of Danzig, so part of the >time they were on the run. >Thanks! >Dave Kruchten >David.kruchten@gmail.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Louis Gabriel VALOIS. Born 31 January 1738 in Strasbourg. Died 12 February 1787, Rastatt, Grand Duchy of Baden, then part of the Holy Roman Empire under control of Royal Austria. Hussar in a Baden unit. The officer in charge of the Hussars was Commando des Rittmeister Peter von Wallbrunn, an Austrian. From 1763-1769 there were 40 men in the unit, which also served in the Seven Years War –War of Austrian Secession. Almost all of the unit was lost in Napoleon’s war at Moscow. Our ancestor was not in the unit then. Possibly in the Lorraine Garde before Rastatt. Robert A. Valois

Hi, Is anyone familiar with the family Krieg von Hochfelden from near Karlsruhe and Rastatt? One of my ancestors was Anna Maria Hochfeld. She was born around 1799 and lived most of her life in Warsaw, Poland. Family letters and papers say she was from a noble family from the Alsace-Lorraine region, specifically the von Hochfeld or von Hochfelden family. I'm trying to figure out who her parents and ancestors were. I have one lead that indicates they may have lived in Insterburg(currently Russia) before Warsaw, with the last name Krieg. It appears there is a family with the last name Krieg von Hochfelden that lived in the Karlsruhe area. I'm wondering if anyone knows of how this family came from the town of Hochfelden to Karlsruhe and potentially how they went from Karlsruhe to Insterburg. I know this is a lot of jumping around, but it was over a few generations and during more turbulent times! Her husband's parents were killed in the Siege of Danzig, so part of the time they were on the run. Thanks! Dave Kruchten David.kruchten@gmail.com

Gramps also told me - referring to Baden and Alsace--"back and forth, back and forth". An ancestor did come from Strasbourg, but no evidence of repeated returns has been found nor any reason for it. Robert A. Valois In a message dated 2/16/2014 5:19:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rlboz@att.net writes: I think this is fairly common because it is a large enough area that people may have heard of it... The same thing happened in my family and my folks were from Appenweier and Rottingen so I think they picked the closest big town I live in St. Louis unincorporated County but the closest known place is Fenton so I often say I live in Fenton (we do have a Fenton post office address) so I wonder if our ancestors did similar things.... >________________________________ > From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:11 PM >Subject: Re: [BW] Bower > > >Funny this story about our ancestors emigrating from "Baden-Baden". My >grandfather told me that too. But they came from Rastatt, Baden, about 15 >miles away, never were they from Baden-Baden. > >Robert A. Valois > > >In a message dated 2/16/2014 3:13:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >erlast@t-online.de writes: > >Search for B a u e r not Bower. Bauer is german. > >Erika > > > > >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >Von: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Norma Beil >Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2014 20:23 >An: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >Betreff: [BW] Bower > >Does anyone have a connection with Benedick or Benedict Bower born 1783 >and who emigrated from Baden Baden Germany with his family in 1833 to >the USA? His wife's name was Elizabeth Kell and the children were >Joseph, Helen, Thomas, Genevieve, and Teresa. I believe Benedick's >parents were Josephi Bower and Mariea Eggs. >Norma > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Funny this story about our ancestors emigrating from "Baden-Baden". My grandfather told me that too. But they came from Rastatt, Baden, about 15 miles away, never were they from Baden-Baden. Robert A. Valois In a message dated 2/16/2014 3:13:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, erlast@t-online.de writes: Search for B a u e r not Bower. Bauer is german. Erika -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Norma Beil Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2014 20:23 An: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com Betreff: [BW] Bower Does anyone have a connection with Benedick or Benedict Bower born 1783 and who emigrated from Baden Baden Germany with his family in 1833 to the USA? His wife's name was Elizabeth Kell and the children were Joseph, Helen, Thomas, Genevieve, and Teresa. I believe Benedick's parents were Josephi Bower and Mariea Eggs. Norma ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well politically Alsace and Lporraine went back and forth between France and Germany.   The Alsatian language has Germanic tones to it.   Often the people in this Black Forest Region did not think so much as being French or German but as being from an area with a lot of Black Forest traditions that crossed the borders.   Families often lived across the borders and there was a lot of trade and economic travel between them as well.   I have seen members of my family from the 1400s on move back and forth several times following economic opportunities.   I think today, we think more in terms of national identity and in the past this was not so much the case as some of those areas were blurred... German dukes owned parts of France,  French nobility had holdings in what today is Germany, it was just more of a loose association of areas for economic or family reasons due to cross border marriages and inheritances.   My family was speaking German and then French and then German and then French depending upon the timeline.   My grandparents were already second generation American but could understand if not speak German yet they wanted me to learn French (go figure).  Seem that their grandparents could speak both and they wanted someone in the family to be able to read and understand letters an things they had and couldn't.    So I agree, back and forth.   This is why I always advise someone researching in east France or Western Germany to check areas in the other country.... sometimes you find your relatives moved there and you may not know why....     love?   economy?   running away from the law or transcription in military?   Many reasons..... Laura >________________________________ > From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >To: rlboz@att.net; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:30 PM >Subject: Re: [BW] Bower > > > >Gramps also told me - referring to Baden and Alsace--"back and forth, back and forth". >  >An ancestor did come from Strasbourg, but no evidence of repeated returns has been found nor any reason for it. >  >Robert A. Valois >  >In a message dated 2/16/2014 5:19:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rlboz@att.net writes: >I think this is fairly common because it is a large enough area that people may have heard of it...    >> >>The same thing happened in my family and my folks were from Appenweier and Rottingen so I think they picked the closest big town >> >>I live in St. Louis unincorporated County but the closest known place is Fenton so I often say I live in Fenton (we do have a Fenton post office address) so I wonder if our ancestors did similar things.... >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >>>To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >>>Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:11 PM >>>Subject: Re: [BW] Bower >>> >>> >>>Funny this story about our ancestors emigrating from  "Baden-Baden". My >>>grandfather told me that too. But they came from Rastatt,  Baden, about 15 >>>miles away, never were they from Baden-Baden. >>> >>>Robert A. Valois  >>> >>> >>>In a message dated 2/16/2014 3:13:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  >>>erlast@t-online.de writes: >>> >>>Search  for  B a u e r  not Bower. Bauer is  german. >>> >>>Erika >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Ursprüngliche  Nachricht----- >>>Von:  baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>[mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com]  Im Auftrag von Norma Beil >>>Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2014 20:23 >>>An:  BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >>>Betreff: [BW] Bower >>> >>>Does anyone have  a connection with Benedick or Benedict Bower born 1783 >>>and who emigrated  from Baden Baden Germany with his family in 1833 to >>>the USA? His wife's  name was Elizabeth Kell and the children were >>>Joseph,  Helen, Thomas,  Genevieve, and Teresa.  I believe Benedick's >>>parents were Josephi  Bower and Mariea Eggs. >>>Norma >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to >>>BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the  word 'unsubscribe' without >>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from  the list, please send an email to >>>BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with  the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>>subject and the body of the  message >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I think this is fairly common because it is a large enough area that people may have heard of it...    The same thing happened in my family and my folks were from Appenweier and Rottingen so I think they picked the closest big town I live in St. Louis unincorporated County but the closest known place is Fenton so I often say I live in Fenton (we do have a Fenton post office address) so I wonder if our ancestors did similar things.... >________________________________ > From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:11 PM >Subject: Re: [BW] Bower > > >Funny this story about our ancestors emigrating from  "Baden-Baden". My >grandfather told me that too. But they came from Rastatt,  Baden, about 15 >miles away, never were they from Baden-Baden. > >Robert A. Valois  > > >In a message dated 2/16/2014 3:13:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  >erlast@t-online.de writes: > >Search  for  B a u e r  not Bower. Bauer is  german. > >Erika > > > > >-----Ursprüngliche  Nachricht----- >Von:  baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com]  Im Auftrag von Norma Beil >Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2014 20:23 >An:  BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >Betreff: [BW] Bower > >Does anyone have  a connection with Benedick or Benedict Bower born 1783 >and who emigrated  from Baden Baden Germany with his family in 1833 to >the USA? His wife's  name was Elizabeth Kell and the children were >Joseph,  Helen, Thomas,  Genevieve, and Teresa.  I believe Benedick's >parents were Josephi  Bower and Mariea Eggs. >Norma > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to >BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the  word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from  the list, please send an email to >BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with  the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the  message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I want to thank EVERYONE who has responded to my original request. What a great group in which to participate. I hope someday I can become proficient enough in this process to be of help to others. Not necessary to go into a lot of details, but I have a lot on my plate already, so as I attempt to work through your suggestions I'll report back on any success. Thanks again, I appreciate so much your help. James --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi James, the name Schafer (original german name: Schäfer or Schaefer) means "shepherd". This is a very common name in Germany like müller, maier, schneider, schmid ... The chance to find anybody without birthplace and birthdate is below zero. Good Luck Sven Am 15.02.2014 04:46, schrieb James Schafer: > After seeing the various ways names are spelled from time to time, I > suppose that would be possible. Although, I have not seen it on any of > the documents I have found. There was a census taker who spelled the > name Shafer, but there were enough first names of husband/wife and > siblings to let me know it was my family. > > But, I will check it out. Thanks for the suggestion. > > James > > On 2/14/2014 8:40 PM, Jane Glaser wrote: >> James, could your ancestors have been Schofers? Schafer is so close. Just a >> thought >> Jane >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Schafer >> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 4:52 PM >> To: Ronald and Laura; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BW] Best way to find information >> >> Laura, Laura, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. You have given me so much info to use >> and I appreciate it so much. I'll have to take my time and go through each >> of your suggestions 1 by 1. >> >> I did notice #5 as I went through them. Problem there is I am the oldest and >> for the most part the only one of my family still around. I do have some >> younger cousins, but that is it. My Grandfather had some brother's, but I'm >> not sure about their families. I'll have to get the brother's names from a >> census and see if I can trace anyone down. >> >> Anyway, thank you so much for this tremendous information. I know this will >> help so much. I'll post what information I have later. >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have a connection with Benedick or Benedict Bower born 1783 and who emigrated from Baden Baden Germany with his family in 1833 to the USA? His wife's name was Elizabeth Kell and the children were Joseph, Helen, Thomas, Genevieve, and Teresa. I believe Benedick's parents were Josephi Bower and Mariea Eggs. Norma

James, You need to watch my video at the FamilySearch website on how to do research in this area of old Germany - http://tinyurl.com/5twb3y6 Fred At 06:52 PM 2/14/2014, you wrote: >From: James Schafer <bro_james@hotmail.com> >Subject: [BW] Best way to find information >To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4437ED6C5CCFF905CC885099F9C0@phx.gbl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed > >I'm a newbie and want to post a request for help in finding my >ancestors. BUT, I want to follow the correct protocol, therefore, is >there a right/wrong way to post requests? > >Specifically, I'm trying to locate ancestors of family members who came >from the Grand Duchy of Baden, but that is all I know about their >location before coming to the USA. I have documentation for my ancestor >after he arrived in the USA, but none beyond our shores. > >Thanks for your help, >James Schafer >SETexas, USA ____________________________________________________________ Do THIS before eating carbs &#40;every time&#41; 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/52ff78d73143c78d632best04duc

My niece married a Schaefer and I've looked at some of their family lines for them. They arrived in the U. S. in 1865 from Bavaria and show up in the 1880 St. Clair IL census. Each census states they are from Bavaria. Their names are spelled Schaefer, Shaffer, Schafer, Schafer, etc. I don't believe any of the family has done any research and the above is all I have on where in Germany they emigrated from. Wanda -----Original Message----- From: James Schafer Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 9:46 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Best way to find information After seeing the various ways names are spelled from time to time, I suppose that would be possible. Although, I have not seen it on any of the documents I have found. There was a census taker who spelled the name Shafer, but there were enough first names of husband/wife and siblings to let me know it was my family. But, I will check it out. Thanks for the suggestion. James On 2/14/2014 8:40 PM, Jane Glaser wrote: > James, could your ancestors have been Schofers? Schafer is so close. Just > a > thought > Jane > >> > > > > > >

After seeing the various ways names are spelled from time to time, I suppose that would be possible. Although, I have not seen it on any of the documents I have found. There was a census taker who spelled the name Shafer, but there were enough first names of husband/wife and siblings to let me know it was my family. But, I will check it out. Thanks for the suggestion. James On 2/14/2014 8:40 PM, Jane Glaser wrote: > James, could your ancestors have been Schofers? Schafer is so close. Just a > thought > Jane > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Schafer > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 4:52 PM > To: Ronald and Laura; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Best way to find information > > Laura, Laura, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. You have given me so much info to use > and I appreciate it so much. I'll have to take my time and go through each > of your suggestions 1 by 1. > > I did notice #5 as I went through them. Problem there is I am the oldest and > for the most part the only one of my family still around. I do have some > younger cousins, but that is it. My Grandfather had some brother's, but I'm > not sure about their families. I'll have to get the brother's names from a > census and see if I can trace anyone down. > > Anyway, thank you so much for this tremendous information. I know this will > help so much. I'll post what information I have later. > > James > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

James I know Schafer as a surname.  As well as Schaefer and Schaffer and Schaeffer... If you google for Schafer Baden you get a lot of genie related hits.  There is even a winery there with the name Schafer with umlat over the a which when written in English is often written as ae to make the a a long sound... Laura >________________________________ > From: James Schafer <bro_james@hotmail.com> >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 9:46 PM >Subject: Re: [BW] Best way to find information > > >After seeing the various ways names are spelled from time to time, I >suppose that would be possible. Although, I have not seen it on any of >the documents I have found. There was a census taker who spelled the >name Shafer, but there were enough first names of husband/wife and >siblings to let me know it was my family. > >But, I will check it out. Thanks for the suggestion. > >James > >On 2/14/2014 8:40 PM, Jane Glaser wrote: >> James, could your ancestors have been Schofers? Schafer is so close. Just a >> thought >> Jane >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Schafer >> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 4:52 PM >> To: Ronald and Laura; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BW] Best way to find information >> >> Laura, Laura, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. You have given me so much info to use >> and I appreciate it so much. I'll have to take my time and go through each >> of your suggestions 1 by 1. >> >> I did notice #5 as I went through them. Problem there is I am the oldest and >> for the most part the only one of my family still around. I do have some >> younger cousins, but that is it. My Grandfather had some brother's, but I'm >> not sure about their families. I'll have to get the brother's names from a >> census and see if I can trace anyone down. >> >> Anyway, thank you so much for this tremendous information. I know this will >> help so much. I'll post what information I have later. >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > >--- >This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >http://www.avast.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Would be interesting to know. -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Schafer Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 7:47 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Best way to find information After seeing the various ways names are spelled from time to time, I suppose that would be possible. Although, I have not seen it on any of the documents I have found. There was a census taker who spelled the name Shafer, but there were enough first names of husband/wife and siblings to let me know it was my family. But, I will check it out. Thanks for the suggestion. James On 2/14/2014 8:40 PM, Jane Glaser wrote: > James, could your ancestors have been Schofers? Schafer is so close. > Just a thought Jane > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James > Schafer > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 4:52 PM > To: Ronald and Laura; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Best way to find information > > Laura, Laura, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. You have given me so much info to > use and I appreciate it so much. I'll have to take my time and go > through each of your suggestions 1 by 1. > > I did notice #5 as I went through them. Problem there is I am the > oldest and for the most part the only one of my family still around. I > do have some younger cousins, but that is it. My Grandfather had some > brother's, but I'm not sure about their families. I'll have to get the > brother's names from a census and see if I can trace anyone down. > > Anyway, thank you so much for this tremendous information. I know this > will help so much. I'll post what information I have later. > > James > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Laura, Laura, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. You have given me so much info to use and I appreciate it so much. I'll have to take my time and go through each of your suggestions 1 by 1. I did notice #5 as I went through them. Problem there is I am the oldest and for the most part the only one of my family still around. I do have some younger cousins, but that is it. My Grandfather had some brother's, but I'm not sure about their families. I'll have to get the brother's names from a census and see if I can trace anyone down. Anyway, thank you so much for this tremendous information. I know this will help so much. I'll post what information I have later. James On 2/14/2014 6:32 PM, Ronald and Laura wrote: > Hi James, There is not a central repository in Germany for finding your ancestors... so it is important to try to determine the city or town they came from. I know that is part of the problem because all you may find in US records is that they came from Baden which is only somewhat helpful. > > 1. Look at all original documentation you can in the US... indexes and transcriptions often miss some details that might give you the town or city. Death certificates and marriage certificates may have this besides passenger lists used for immigration. If you are really lucky the naturalization papers may have it but in my family all they ever cited was the country not even the region like Baden! > > 2. Join surname lists or boards and see if you can find where others with the same surname came from. This just may lead you to the right place but if it is a common last name may be of little help. > > 3. Don't assume the spelling you see is what was used where they came from. This is really important because many folks had spellings Anglicized via the immigration process and census takers were not always great spellers or listeners! Also spelling was not standardized until about the mid 1900s because people were not as hung up on using one spelling. I have many documents were spelling shifts like > Reis vs Reiss vs Ries vs Riess and Verner Werner Woerner or even Warner... Some letters were often mixed up.. D and T, P and B, S and Z (Simmerman vs Zimmerman (and sometimes a double n at the end). Fischer, Fisher and Fizure.... My Gebhardt (not from Baden but from other places in Germany) shows up as Gebhardt, Gebhart, Gebhard, Gephart, Gephard, and Gephardt.... > > 4. When posting for help give the full name and anything you do know... birth day, approximate birth year... spouse name, religion (because some towns in Germany were mainly Catholic and others Lutheran or Baptist (Anabaptist), etc. Once again not 100% but it can help narrow the search. Sometimes family stories help and sometimes they are just plain wrong... follow their lead but let it go if you find something that points you elsewhere... case in point, my mother told me that my Reiss Woerner grandparents came from the same town, Baden Baden... well neither came from their... Reiss came from Rettigheim, Baden and Woerner came from Appenweier, Karlsruhl so much for family stories.... > > 5. Interview all the old people in your family... sometimes they have info they don't realize they have... > > 6. Church records can be no pun intended, a God send, because often immigrants clustered together in a community and went to the same church... look at who were the godparents and if any parents are listed. At the Shrine of St. Joseph Church in St. Louis we found a wealth of info in baptism records which helped us find family.... > > 7. Look at the http://www.online-ofb.de/ this is the Germen GenWiki site. You can use an online free translator like google language or www.freetranslation.com to translate the website. You might get lucky and find your person! > > 8. Check online geneanet.org (there is both a free and paid side)... you might find clues there from other family posting info... of course remember these are user donated trees so they can have wrong info... check anything you find against real records. And LDS https://familysearch.org/search > > 9. try browsing through http://www.dad-recherche.de/hmb/Deutsche%20Auswanderer-Datenbank%20English.htm > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wggerman/ > http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/web/54816 > > http://www.auswanderer-bw.de/sixcms/detail.php?template=a_artikel&id=6591&sprache=en > > http://www.immigrantships.net/ > > > Hope that helps! > > Laura > > > > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: James Schafer <bro_james@hotmail.com> >> To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:24 PM >> Subject: [BW] Best way to find information >> >> >> I'm a newbie and want to post a request for help in finding my >> ancestors. BUT, I want to follow the correct protocol, therefore, is >> there a right/wrong way to post requests? >> >> Specifically, I'm trying to locate ancestors of family members who came > >from the Grand Duchy of Baden, but that is all I know about their >> location before coming to the USA. I have documentation for my ancestor >> after he arrived in the USA, but none beyond our shores. >> >> Thanks for your help, >> James Schafer >> SETexas, USA >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

James, could your ancestors have been Schofers? Schafer is so close. Just a thought Jane -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Schafer Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 4:52 PM To: Ronald and Laura; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Best way to find information Laura, Laura, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. You have given me so much info to use and I appreciate it so much. I'll have to take my time and go through each of your suggestions 1 by 1. I did notice #5 as I went through them. Problem there is I am the oldest and for the most part the only one of my family still around. I do have some younger cousins, but that is it. My Grandfather had some brother's, but I'm not sure about their families. I'll have to get the brother's names from a census and see if I can trace anyone down. Anyway, thank you so much for this tremendous information. I know this will help so much. I'll post what information I have later. James

I'm a newbie and want to post a request for help in finding my ancestors. BUT, I want to follow the correct protocol, therefore, is there a right/wrong way to post requests? Specifically, I'm trying to locate ancestors of family members who came from the Grand Duchy of Baden, but that is all I know about their location before coming to the USA. I have documentation for my ancestor after he arrived in the USA, but none beyond our shores. Thanks for your help, James Schafer SETexas, USA --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com