I have found references to Familienbuchs in the Eschelbach (A. Sinsheim) church records for several directly-related families, especially around the 1870s. Some of the references are F.B. 128, 215, 170 and 70. I know basically what these Family Books are, but not how to locate them. Nothing available through LDS. This was something compiled by the church, correct? So where would I find someone with access to this old book - the archives in Sinsheim? in the Eschelbach Rathaus? The local Eschelbach church? Any suggestions gratefully appreciated. Thanks! ~Carol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carol Hornung - Michigan, USA <mailto:chornung@comcast.net> chornung@comcast.net Researching HORNUNG (Lindemann, Hendel, Eichman), BENDER (Herzel, Merkel, Kindler), MANGES (Zuefle, Mertz, Scheuerle, Steffenhagen, Denz, Bommer, Goebel, Heil, Wagoner), and FREDERICKS (Mund, Spaulding) primarily in Germany and Western New York ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

First, thank you, Patricia, for your kind help! The word which has me stumped is the word after 'und' in the line which begins with the numeral 9 ...Jacob Jacobi Burgers und  ? http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=d563ce-1393703188.jpg thank you very much! Thomas Johnson

Hello list! I have a church document written in German (the church was actually in Alsace) and although I am somewhat familiar with translating these records, I have encountered a word which is proving to be difficult. I'm assuming this list does not permit attachments, therefore, please help this pea brain with your kind suggestions. Thank you. Thomas Johnson

Hi Robert,  Sorry it took me so long to respond.  One of the things you might want to do is go to  http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search    type in Fischer in the body field...  a lot of info pops up and many of the threads reference William J Fischer.  And others associated with him.   example:  [NY-WESTERN] my fischer is john g fischer and william j fischer and charlotte fischer [1] (There may be more than one William J Fischer and from what I have seen I think there is....) http://records.ancestry.com/William_J_Fischer_records.ashx?pid=167992134  with Boyer Laura >________________________________ > From: Robert Jones <drbob78@msn.com> >To: "baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com" <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:02 PM >Subject: [BW] (no subject) > > >FISCHER > > > >I am searching for information and or leads concerning William J. Fischer.  Would like to hear from any connecting families to William J. Fischer. > > > >William was married to Catharine Boyer (maybe Beyer) about 1872.  Catharine and daughters Caroline 9yrs, Anna Pauline 8yrs., Pauline Katherine 6 yrs., and Emma 3 yrs. immigrated to the US and arrived in New York on 12 November 1881.  William was not traveling with them.  Family information says that Pauline Katherine (my Grandmother) was born in Stuttgart in 1875.  Family information also says William J Fischer was the husband and father.  How do I find out if William ever came to the US???? > > > >Any leads appreciated. > > > >Robert M. “ Bob” Jones > >Tijeras, NM > > > >Sent from Windows Mail > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Dieter, I knew there was a problem. Hope they get it straightened out soon. Many of listers depend on our emails from our genealogy friends. Mary June Knoxville, Tennessee USA Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Dieter Joos <djoos@dieter-joos.de> wrote: > > Dear BW-Listers, > > our BW-list is not the only one having problems with the transfer of > messages. There are many many other RootWeb-lists that share our fate. > > The administrators of the BW-list can nothing do than hope that RootsWeb > can fix the problems within the next few days. > > Regards > Dieter > -- > Dieter Joos > Ueberlingen / Bodensee, Germany > Webmaster of RootsWeb's Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes! And I don't seem to be receiving any messages from any of my other mailing lists either. Clare in Australia "Here's to the Crazy Ones..." Love my IPad Mini! > On 25 Feb 2014, at 6:02 am, boxerb@aol.com wrote: > > > I am not receiving BW messages. Went to rootsweb and there is a message : Please note that at the present time the e-mail message board alerts are not being sent. It may take some time to resolve this problem. > > Anyone else having this problem? > > Mary June > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear BW-Listers, our BW-list is not the only one having problems with the transfer of messages. There are many many other RootWeb-lists that share our fate. The administrators of the BW-list can nothing do than hope that RootsWeb can fix the problems within the next few days. Regards Dieter -- Dieter Joos Ueberlingen / Bodensee, Germany Webmaster of RootsWeb's Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List

Remember you can always access the archives to see if you have missed anything.   Here is the link to the messages from February... http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/BADEN-WURTTEMBERG/2014-02 >________________________________ > From: Dieter Joos <djoos@dieter-joos.de> >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 7:03 PM >Subject: [BW] Not receiving Messages > > >Dear BW-Listers, > >our BW-list is not the only one having problems with the transfer of >messages. There are many many other RootWeb-lists that share our fate. > >The administrators of the BW-list can nothing do than hope that RootsWeb >can fix the problems within the next few days. > >Regards >Dieter >-- >Dieter Joos >Ueberlingen / Bodensee, Germany >Webmaster of RootsWeb's Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Same here Clare. I belong to approx. 50 mail lists. I know everything has been slow lately but it would really be a chore to resubscribe to all my lists. Carla, BW list admin is not aware of any problem but when I browse the BW archives, there has been 112 postings for February. And I have not received 112 messages. Mary June -----Original Message----- From: Gene Bear <gene2bear@gmail.com> To: baden-wurttemberg <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:53 pm Subject: Re: [BW] Not receiving Messages Yes! And I don't seem to be receiving any messages from any of my other mailing lists either. Clare in Australia "Here's to the Crazy Ones..." Love my IPad Mini! > On 25 Feb 2014, at 6:02 am, boxerb@aol.com wrote: > > > I am not receiving BW messages. Went to rootsweb and there is a message : Please note that at the present time the e-mail message board alerts are not being sent. It may take some time to resolve this problem. > > Anyone else having this problem? > > Mary June > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don't think so. Rootsweb has been having problems for some time as well as AOL. I am going to start resubing to all my lists. Mary June -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Kittner <ruthann001@gmail.com> To: baden-wurttemberg <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 2:23 pm Subject: Re: [BW] Not receiving Messages got this one, so possibly it's fixed? Ruth On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:09 PM, <RValois368@aol.com> wrote: > nor am I > > Robert A. Valois, Esq. > > > In a message dated 2/24/2014 2:04:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > boxerb@aol.com writes: > > > I am not receiving BW messages. Went to rootsweb and there is a message > : Please note that at the present time the e-mail message board alerts > are > not being sent. It may take some time to resolve this problem. > > Anyone else having this problem? > > Mary June > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

got this one, so possibly it's fixed? Ruth On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:09 PM, <RValois368@aol.com> wrote: > nor am I > > Robert A. Valois, Esq. > > > In a message dated 2/24/2014 2:04:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > boxerb@aol.com writes: > > > I am not receiving BW messages. Went to rootsweb and there is a message > : Please note that at the present time the e-mail message board alerts > are > not being sent. It may take some time to resolve this problem. > > Anyone else having this problem? > > Mary June > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

nor am I Robert A. Valois, Esq. In a message dated 2/24/2014 2:04:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, boxerb@aol.com writes: I am not receiving BW messages. Went to rootsweb and there is a message : Please note that at the present time the e-mail message board alerts are not being sent. It may take some time to resolve this problem. Anyone else having this problem? Mary June ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am not receiving BW messages. Went to rootsweb and there is a message : Please note that at the present time the e-mail message board alerts are not being sent. It may take some time to resolve this problem. Anyone else having this problem? Mary June

Mary June, I have had the same problem all along---no e-mails coming back to me. Ann On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:02 AM, boxerb@aol.com wrote: > > I am not receiving BW messages. Went to rootsweb and there is a message : Please note that at the present time the e-mail message board alerts are not being sent. It may take some time to resolve this problem. > > Anyone else having this problem? > > Mary June > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Laura Carole Cook -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald and Laura Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 12:22 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Alsatian Carole I just sent it to your private email. I do not know of a site where the English version is posted. I have it and a review of it written by someone much later... I sent them both to you. >________________________________ > From: Carole Cook <carolescoaching@broadweave.net> >To: 'Ronald and Laura' <rlboz@att.net>; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:36 AM >Subject: RE: [BW] Alsatian > > >Where can the English version be found? > >Carole > >-----Original Message----- >From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald and Laura >Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:09 PM >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BW] Alsatian > >I descend from glassmakers a group of people who moved often and followed the economic tide. The helped build all the churches in Europe, they had an enormously strong guild. They were the only guild you could belong to and be a noble. They were an interesting lot in that they owed allegiance first to the family / guild since you had to marry within the guild or only with guild permissions... then to the patron for whom they were working at that time (this could be an archbishop, a king, a duke, a count.... but someone with enough land, resources, and money to pay for glass which was anything but a cheap commodity until pressed glass came into being with the industrial revolution.... we still have distant cousins still making glass today! I am sort of a repository of glass and glassmakers history. I belong to a group of descendants of glassmakers. We discovered by pooling all of our gedcoms into one enormous one that most of us descend >from one couple in the 1600s in Wangenbourg (Michel Andres and his wife Apollonia Krieger). So for me this is a labor of love for my family. > >Being from this lineage (and that of Scottish crofters and builders and German and Swiss tradesman from other grandparent lines) I have had a real education in geography, politics, and history as we can trace most lines back to the 1600s if not the 1400s. It makes for an interesting way to look at history from your own unique family perspectives..... often my relatives fought my other relatives..... I married a man of of Hungarian and German / Austrian / northern Italian ancestry... we have great fun debating over who has the most family crests (a purely nonsensical pursuit as really only the first borns get to claim them and neither of us descend from first borns when you back 2 or 3 generations) and who won the most battles over the other's families... of course we both like history! I however am the one who does the genealogy so I typically win most debates by reminding him the only reason he knows any of this because of the work I >have done at which point he kisses me and says something like I knew I married you for some reason! > >Anyway, this is loads of fun and I get to meet if only via email some of the worlds most interesting people! > >Many of my glassmaking line lived in the Black Forest areas, in Alsace and Lorraine with the most coming finally into Moselle (Meisenthal, Goetzenbruck, Montbronn, Soucht, and St Louis les Bitche). But they all came in from Germany it seems sometime in the 1600s or earlier... > >My 4x great grandfather Georges dit Chambre Walter wrote a chronicle about the history of his family (one of my lines) that went back to the 1500s. It shows this movement between what we call today France and Germany as being quite fluid... to the point that the glasshutten as they were called would be picked up on poles and loaded onto the back of wagons and moved to the next location! > >I have this chronicle in 3 languages, French, German, and English. The French and German can be found on line at >http://wolf.greg.free.fr/documents/verriers.html > > >Laura > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >>To: rlboz@att.net >>Cc: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:31 PM >>Subject: Re: [BW] Alsatian >> >> >> >>You are a smart lady. Alsatian, a Germanic language, is to the >ear and tongue, very difficult. >> >>Perhaps this description of >Alsatians fits us the best: I love this perfect excerpt from Michael >Shurkin's article about Strasbourg in Zeek, February >2003………. >> >>I >discovered an interesting paradox about Alsatians. Listening in on their >conversations, I was always impressed by, and jealous of, their apparent >borderlessness. The Rhine meant nothing to >them, for on either bank they maintained the same bizarre polyglot banter in >which French, German, Alsatian, and Badisch were all entirely >interchangeable. They literally switched languages from word to word, sentence >to sentence. Sometimes I addressed them in French, sometimes in German. I don't >know if they noticed one way or the other, and I can never recall in which >language they had spoken to me. There are simply no boundaries on Südbadenbus >1076. How gloriously universalist, I thought. >> >>But >then I realized that the Alsatians' linguistic univeralism was in fact a marker >of their particularism. By being both German and French they are neither German >nor French. They are Alsatians, and out of a clash of identities they have >derived their own, unique identity, which resolves the tensions between the two >cultures while negating neither. Although Alsatians are touchy about how French >or Germans perceive them, it is only because the French and the Germans >occasionally question their loyalty. The Alsatians themselves are remarkably >comfortable with their own cultural dualism and recognize in it their own >distinctiveness. They do not fret about alienation.............. >> >> >>Robert A. Valois >> >>In a message dated 2/16/2014 7:38:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >rlboz@att.net writes: >>Well politically Alsace and Lporraine went back and forth between France and Germany. The Alsatian language has Germanic tones to it. >>>Often the people in this Black Forest Region did not think so much > as being French or German but as being from an area with a lot of Black Forest > traditions that crossed the borders. Families often lived across the > borders and there was a lot of trade and economic travel between them as well. > I have seen members of my family from the 1400s on move back and forth > several times following economic opportunities. >>> >>>I think today, > we think more in terms of national identity and in the past this was not so > much the case as some of those areas were blurred... >>>German dukes owned > parts of France, French nobility had holdings in what today is Germany, > it was just more of a loose association of areas for economic or family > reasons due to cross border marriages and inheritances. >>> >>>My > family was speaking German and then French and then German and then French > depending upon the timeline. My grandparents were already second > generation American but could understand if not speak German yet they wanted > me to learn French (go figure). Seem that their grandparents could speak > both and they wanted someone in the family to be able to read and understand > letters an things they had and couldn't. >>> >>>So I agree, back > and forth. This is why I always advise someone researching in east > France or Western Germany to check areas in the other country.... sometimes > you find your relatives moved there and you may not know why.... > love? economy? running away from the law or transcription in > military? Many > reasons..... >>> >>>Laura >>> >>> >>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> > From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >>>>To: > rlboz@att.net; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >>>>Sent: Sunday, February > 16, 2014 4:30 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [BW] Bower >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Gramps also told me - referring to Baden and > Alsace--"back and >>>forth, back and forth". >>>> >>>>An > ancestor did come from Strasbourg, but no evidence of >>>repeated returns has > been found nor any reason for it. >>>> >>>>Robert A. Valois >>>> >>>>In a message dated 2/16/2014 5:19:39 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, >>>rlboz@att.net writes: >>>>I think this is fairly > common because it is a large enough area that people may have heard of > it... >>>>> >>>>>The same thing happened in my family > and my >>> folks were from Appenweier and Rottingen so I think they > picked the closest >>> big town >>>>> >>>>>I live in St. > Louis unincorporated County but the closest >>> known place is Fenton > so I often say I live in Fenton (we do have a Fenton >>> post office > address) so I wonder if our ancestors did similar >>> > things.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>> > From: >>> "RValois368@aol.com" > <RValois368@aol.com> >>>>>>To: >>> > baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 > 4:11 >>> PM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [BW] Bower >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Funny this story >>> about our > ancestors emigrating from "Baden-Baden". My >>>>>>grandfather > told me that too. But they came from Rastatt, Baden, >>> about 15 >>>>>>miles away, never were they from >>> > Baden-Baden. >>>>>> >>>>>>Robert A. Valois >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>In >>> a message dated > 2/16/2014 3:13:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>>>>erlast@t-online.de > writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>Search for B a u >>> > e r not Bower. Bauer is >>> > german. >>>>>> >>>>>>Erika >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Ursprüngliche >>> Nachricht----- >>>>>>Von: >>> > baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>>>>[mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> Im Auftrag von Norma Beil >>>>>>Gesendet: Samstag, 15. > Februar 2014 >>> 20:23 >>>>>>An: > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >>>>>>Betreff: [BW] >>> > Bower >>>>>> >>>>>>Does anyone have a connection with > Benedick or >>> Benedict Bower born 1783 >>>>>>and who > emigrated from Baden Baden >>> Germany with his family in 1833 to >>>>>>the USA? His wife's name was >>> Elizabeth Kell > and the children were >>>>>>Joseph, Helen, >>> > Thomas, Genevieve, and Teresa. I believe Benedick's >>>>>>parents were Josephi Bower and Mariea >>> > Eggs. >>>>>>Norma >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To >>> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >>> > to >>>>>>BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>the quotes in the subject and > the body of >>> the >>> > message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To >>> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>>>>>subject and > the body of >>> the >>> > message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To >>> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> > message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To >>> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>message >>>> >>>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the >message >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carole I just sent it to your private email.  I do not know of a site where the English version is posted.   I have it and a review of it written by someone much later... I sent them both to you.   >________________________________ > From: Carole Cook <carolescoaching@broadweave.net> >To: 'Ronald and Laura' <rlboz@att.net>; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:36 AM >Subject: RE: [BW] Alsatian > > >Where can the English version be found? > >Carole > >-----Original Message----- >From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald and Laura >Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:09 PM >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BW] Alsatian > >I descend from glassmakers  a group of people who moved often and followed the economic tide.  The helped build all the churches in Europe, they had an enormously strong guild.  They were the only guild you could belong to and be a noble.  They were an interesting lot in that they owed allegiance first to the family / guild since you had to marry within the guild or only with guild permissions... then to the patron for whom they were working at that time (this could be an archbishop, a king, a duke, a count.... but someone with enough land, resources, and money to pay for glass which was anything but a cheap commodity until pressed glass came into being with the industrial revolution....  we still have distant cousins still making glass today!  I am sort of a repository of glass and glassmakers history.  I belong to a group of descendants of glassmakers.  We discovered by pooling all of our gedcoms into one enormous one that most of us descend >from one couple in the 1600s in Wangenbourg (Michel Andres and his wife Apollonia Krieger).  So for me this is a labor of love for my family.  > >Being from this lineage (and that of Scottish crofters and builders and German and Swiss tradesman from other grandparent lines) I have had a real education in geography, politics, and history as we can trace most lines back to the 1600s if not the 1400s.  It makes for an interesting way to look at history from your own unique family perspectives.....  often my relatives fought my other relatives.....  I married a man of of Hungarian and German / Austrian / northern Italian ancestry...  we have great fun debating over who has the most family crests (a purely nonsensical pursuit as really only the first borns get to claim them and neither of us descend from first borns when you back 2 or 3 generations) and who won the most battles over the other's families...    of course we both like history!  I however am the one who does the genealogy so I typically win most debates by reminding him the only reason he knows any of this because of the work I >have done at which point he kisses me and says something like I knew I married you for some reason!  > >Anyway,  this is loads of fun and I get to meet if only via email some of the worlds most interesting people! > >Many of my glassmaking line lived in the Black Forest areas, in Alsace and Lorraine with the most coming finally into Moselle (Meisenthal, Goetzenbruck, Montbronn, Soucht, and St Louis les Bitche).  But they all came in from Germany it seems sometime in the 1600s or earlier... > >My 4x great grandfather Georges dit Chambre Walter wrote a chronicle about the history of his family (one of my lines) that went back to the 1500s.  It shows this movement between what we call today France and Germany as being quite fluid... to the point that the glasshutten as they were called would be picked up on poles and loaded onto the back of wagons and moved to the next location! > >I have this chronicle in 3 languages, French, German, and English.  The French and German can be found on line at >http://wolf.greg.free.fr/documents/verriers.html > > >Laura > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >>To: rlboz@att.net >>Cc: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:31 PM >>Subject: Re: [BW] Alsatian >> >> >> >>You are a smart lady. Alsatian, a Germanic language, is to the >ear and tongue, very difficult.  >> >>Perhaps this description of >Alsatians fits us the best: I love this perfect excerpt from Michael >Shurkin's article about Strasbourg in Zeek, February >2003………. >> >>I >discovered an interesting paradox about Alsatians. Listening in on their >conversations, I was always impressed by, and jealous of, their apparent >borderlessness. The Rhine meant nothing to >them, for on either bank they maintained the same bizarre polyglot banter in >which French, German, Alsatian, and Badisch were all entirely >interchangeable. They literally switched languages from word to word, sentence >to sentence. Sometimes I addressed them in French, sometimes in German. I don't >know if they noticed one way or the other, and I can never recall in which >language they had spoken to me. There are simply no boundaries on Südbadenbus >1076. How gloriously universalist, I thought. >> >>But >then I realized that the Alsatians' linguistic univeralism was in fact a marker >of their particularism. By being both German and French they are neither German >nor French. They are Alsatians, and out of a clash of identities they have >derived their own, unique identity, which resolves the tensions between the two >cultures while negating neither. Although Alsatians are touchy about how French >or Germans perceive them, it is only because the French and the Germans >occasionally question their loyalty. The Alsatians themselves are remarkably >comfortable with their own cultural dualism and recognize in it their own >distinctiveness. They do not fret about alienation.............. >>          >> >>Robert A. Valois >> >>In a message dated 2/16/2014 7:38:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >rlboz@att.net writes: >>Well  politically Alsace and Lporraine went back and forth between France and  Germany.  The Alsatian language has Germanic tones to it.  >>>Often the people in this Black Forest Region did not think so much >  as being French or German but as being from an area with a lot of Black Forest >  traditions that crossed the borders.  Families often lived across the >  borders and there was a lot of trade and economic travel between them as well. >    I have seen members of my family from the 1400s on move back and forth >  several times following economic opportunities.  >>> >>>I think today, >  we think more in terms of national identity and in the past this was not so >  much the case as some of those areas were blurred... >>>German dukes owned >  parts of France,  French nobility had holdings in what today is Germany, >  it was just more of a loose association of areas for economic or family >  reasons due to cross border marriages and inheritances.  >>> >>>My >  family was speaking German and then French and then German and then French >  depending upon the timeline.  My grandparents were already second >  generation American but could understand if not speak German yet they wanted >  me to learn French (go figure).  Seem that their grandparents could speak >  both and they wanted someone in the family to be able to read and understand >  letters an things they had and couldn't.  >>> >>>So I agree, back >  and forth.  This is why I always advise someone researching in east >  France or Western Germany to check areas in the other country.... sometimes >  you find your relatives moved there and you may not know why....    >  love?  economy?  running away from the law or transcription in >  military?  Many >  reasons..... >>> >>>Laura >>> >>> >>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> >  From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >>>>To: >  rlboz@att.net; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >>>>Sent: Sunday, February >  16, 2014 4:30 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [BW] Bower >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Gramps also told me - referring to Baden and >  Alsace--"back and >>>forth, back and forth". >>>> >>>>An >  ancestor did come from Strasbourg, but no evidence of >>>repeated returns has >  been found nor any reason for it. >>>> >>>>Robert A. Valois >>>> >>>>In a message dated 2/16/2014 5:19:39 P.M. Eastern >  Standard Time, >>>rlboz@att.net writes: >>>>I think  this is fairly >  common because it is a large enough area that people may have  heard of >  it...  >>>>> >>>>>The same thing happened in my family >  and my >>>  folks were from Appenweier and Rottingen so I think they >  picked the closest >>>  big town >>>>> >>>>>I live in St. >  Louis unincorporated County but the closest >>>  known place is Fenton >  so I often say I live in Fenton (we do have a Fenton >>>  post office >  address) so I wonder if our ancestors did similar >>>  >  things.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>> >  From: >>>  "RValois368@aol.com" >  <RValois368@aol.com> >>>>>>To: >>>  >  baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 >  4:11 >>>  PM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [BW] Bower >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Funny this story >>>  about our >  ancestors emigrating from  "Baden-Baden". My >>>>>>grandfather >  told me that too. But they came from Rastatt,  Baden, >>>  about 15 >>>>>>miles away, never were they from >>>  >  Baden-Baden. >>>>>> >>>>>>Robert A. Valois  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>In >>>  a message dated >  2/16/2014 3:13:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  >>>>>>erlast@t-online.de >  writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>Search  for  B a u >>>  >  e r  not Bower. Bauer is  >>>  >  german. >>>>>> >>>>>>Erika >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Ursprüngliche  >>>  Nachricht----- >>>>>>Von:  >>>  >  baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>>>>[mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com]  >>>  Im Auftrag von Norma Beil >>>>>>Gesendet: Samstag, 15. >  Februar 2014 >>>  20:23 >>>>>>An:  >  BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >>>>>>Betreff: [BW] >>>  >  Bower >>>>>> >>>>>>Does anyone have  a connection with >  Benedick or >>>  Benedict Bower born 1783 >>>>>>and who >  emigrated  from Baden Baden >>>  Germany with his family in 1833 to >>>>>>the USA? His wife's  name was >>>  Elizabeth Kell >  and the children were >>>>>>Joseph,  Helen, >>>  >  Thomas,  Genevieve, and Teresa.  I believe Benedick's >>>>>>parents were Josephi  Bower and Mariea >>>  >  Eggs. >>>>>>Norma >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To >>>  unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email >>>  >  to >>>>>>BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the  word >>>  'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>the quotes in the subject and >  the body of >>>  the  >>>  >  message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To >>>  unsubscribe from  the list, please send an email to >>>>>>BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with  the word >>>  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>>>>>subject and >  the body of >>>  the  >>>  >  message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To >>>  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>  >  BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>  quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>  >  message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To >>>  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>  >  BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>  quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>message >>>> >>>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To >  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >  BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >  quotes in the subject and the body of the >message >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Erika, Yes I found that Benedick Bower's father was a Bauer. Apparently the spelling changed when they came to USA. Norma

Where can the English version be found? Carole -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald and Laura Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:09 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Alsatian I descend from glassmakers a group of people who moved often and followed the economic tide. The helped build all the churches in Europe, they had an enormously strong guild. They were the only guild you could belong to and be a noble. They were an interesting lot in that they owed allegiance first to the family / guild since you had to marry within the guild or only with guild permissions... then to the patron for whom they were working at that time (this could be an archbishop, a king, a duke, a count.... but someone with enough land, resources, and money to pay for glass which was anything but a cheap commodity until pressed glass came into being with the industrial revolution.... we still have distant cousins still making glass today! I am sort of a repository of glass and glassmakers history. I belong to a group of descendants of glassmakers. We discovered by pooling all of our gedcoms into one enormous one that most of us descend from one couple in the 1600s in Wangenbourg (Michel Andres and his wife Apollonia Krieger). So for me this is a labor of love for my family. Being from this lineage (and that of Scottish crofters and builders and German and Swiss tradesman from other grandparent lines) I have had a real education in geography, politics, and history as we can trace most lines back to the 1600s if not the 1400s. It makes for an interesting way to look at history from your own unique family perspectives..... often my relatives fought my other relatives..... I married a man of of Hungarian and German / Austrian / northern Italian ancestry... we have great fun debating over who has the most family crests (a purely nonsensical pursuit as really only the first borns get to claim them and neither of us descend from first borns when you back 2 or 3 generations) and who won the most battles over the other's families... of course we both like history! I however am the one who does the genealogy so I typically win most debates by reminding him the only reason he knows any of this because of the work I have done at which point he kisses me and says something like I knew I married you for some reason! Anyway, this is loads of fun and I get to meet if only via email some of the worlds most interesting people! Many of my glassmaking line lived in the Black Forest areas, in Alsace and Lorraine with the most coming finally into Moselle (Meisenthal, Goetzenbruck, Montbronn, Soucht, and St Louis les Bitche). But they all came in from Germany it seems sometime in the 1600s or earlier... My 4x great grandfather Georges dit Chambre Walter wrote a chronicle about the history of his family (one of my lines) that went back to the 1500s. It shows this movement between what we call today France and Germany as being quite fluid... to the point that the glasshutten as they were called would be picked up on poles and loaded onto the back of wagons and moved to the next location! I have this chronicle in 3 languages, French, German, and English. The French and German can be found on line at http://wolf.greg.free.fr/documents/verriers.html Laura >________________________________ > From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >To: rlboz@att.net >Cc: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:31 PM >Subject: Re: [BW] Alsatian > > > >You are a smart lady. Alsatian, a Germanic language, is to the ear and tongue, very difficult. > >Perhaps this description of Alsatians fits us the best: I love this perfect excerpt from Michael Shurkin's article about Strasbourg in Zeek, February 2003………. > >I discovered an interesting paradox about Alsatians. Listening in on their conversations, I was always impressed by, and jealous of, their apparent borderlessness. The Rhine meant nothing to them, for on either bank they maintained the same bizarre polyglot banter in which French, German, Alsatian, and Badisch were all entirely interchangeable. They literally switched languages from word to word, sentence to sentence. Sometimes I addressed them in French, sometimes in German. I don't know if they noticed one way or the other, and I can never recall in which language they had spoken to me. There are simply no boundaries on Südbadenbus 1076. How gloriously universalist, I thought. > >But then I realized that the Alsatians' linguistic univeralism was in fact a marker of their particularism. By being both German and French they are neither German nor French. They are Alsatians, and out of a clash of identities they have derived their own, unique identity, which resolves the tensions between the two cultures while negating neither. Although Alsatians are touchy about how French or Germans perceive them, it is only because the French and the Germans occasionally question their loyalty. The Alsatians themselves are remarkably comfortable with their own cultural dualism and recognize in it their own distinctiveness. They do not fret about alienation.............. > > >Robert A. Valois > >In a message dated 2/16/2014 7:38:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rlboz@att.net writes: >Well politically Alsace and Lporraine went back and forth between France and Germany. The Alsatian language has Germanic tones to it. >>Often the people in this Black Forest Region did not think so much as being French or German but as being from an area with a lot of Black Forest traditions that crossed the borders. Families often lived across the borders and there was a lot of trade and economic travel between them as well. I have seen members of my family from the 1400s on move back and forth several times following economic opportunities. >> >>I think today, we think more in terms of national identity and in the past this was not so much the case as some of those areas were blurred... >>German dukes owned parts of France, French nobility had holdings in what today is Germany, it was just more of a loose association of areas for economic or family reasons due to cross border marriages and inheritances. >> >>My family was speaking German and then French and then German and then French depending upon the timeline. My grandparents were already second generation American but could understand if not speak German yet they wanted me to learn French (go figure). Seem that their grandparents could speak both and they wanted someone in the family to be able to read and understand letters an things they had and couldn't. >> >>So I agree, back and forth. This is why I always advise someone researching in east France or Western Germany to check areas in the other country.... sometimes you find your relatives moved there and you may not know why.... love? economy? running away from the law or transcription in military? Many reasons..... >> >>Laura >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >>>To: rlboz@att.net; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >>>Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:30 PM >>>Subject: Re: [BW] Bower >>> >>> >>> >>>Gramps also told me - referring to Baden and Alsace--"back and >>forth, back and forth". >>> >>>An ancestor did come from Strasbourg, but no evidence of >>repeated returns has been found nor any reason for it. >>> >>>Robert A. Valois >>> >>>In a message dated 2/16/2014 5:19:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>rlboz@att.net writes: >>>I think this is fairly common because it is a large enough area that people may have heard of it... >>>> >>>>The same thing happened in my family and my >> folks were from Appenweier and Rottingen so I think they picked the closest >> big town >>>> >>>>I live in St. Louis unincorporated County but the closest >> known place is Fenton so I often say I live in Fenton (we do have a Fenton >> post office address) so I wonder if our ancestors did similar >> things.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>> From: >> "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >>>>>To: >> baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:11 >> PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [BW] Bower >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Funny this story >> about our ancestors emigrating from "Baden-Baden". My >>>>>grandfather told me that too. But they came from Rastatt, Baden, >> about 15 >>>>>miles away, never were they from >> Baden-Baden. >>>>> >>>>>Robert A. Valois >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>In >> a message dated 2/16/2014 3:13:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>>>erlast@t-online.de writes: >>>>> >>>>>Search for B a u >> e r not Bower. Bauer is >> german. >>>>> >>>>>Erika >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Ursprüngliche >> Nachricht----- >>>>>Von: >> baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>>>[mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> Im Auftrag von Norma Beil >>>>>Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2014 >> 20:23 >>>>>An: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >>>>>Betreff: [BW] >> Bower >>>>> >>>>>Does anyone have a connection with Benedick or >> Benedict Bower born 1783 >>>>>and who emigrated from Baden Baden >> Germany with his family in 1833 to >>>>>the USA? His wife's name was >> Elizabeth Kell and the children were >>>>>Joseph, Helen, >> Thomas, Genevieve, and Teresa. I believe Benedick's >>>>>parents were Josephi Bower and Mariea >> Eggs. >>>>>Norma >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To >> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to >>>>>BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the >> message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To >> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>>>>subject and the body of >> the >> message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To >> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To >> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the >>message >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If they lived close to the Rhein River (Rastatt is only a mile or so away), it would have been literally back and forth, etc. Also the land changed (owners?) throughout that time between France, the many Duchies and eventually united Germany. By your info below you probably already know this. Craig > From: RValois368@aol.com > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:48:41 -0500 > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BW] Valois > > > Louis Gabriel VALOIS. Born 31 January 1738 in Strasbourg. Died 12 February > 1787, Rastatt, Grand Duchy of Baden, then part of the Holy Roman Empire > under control of Royal Austria. Hussar in a Baden unit. The officer in > charge of the Hussars was Commando des Rittmeister Peter von Wallbrunn, an > Austrian. From 1763-1769 there were 40 men in the unit, which also served in the > > Seven Years War –War of Austrian Secession. Almost all of the unit was > lost in Napoleon’s war at Moscow. Our ancestor was not in the unit then. > Possibly in the Lorraine Garde before Rastatt. > Robert A. Valois > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are a smart lady. Alsatian, a Germanic language, is to the ear and tongue, very difficult. Perhaps this description of Alsatians fits us the best: I love this perfect excerpt from Michael Shurkin's article about Strasbourg in Zeek, February 2003………. I discovered an interesting paradox about Alsatians. Listening in on their conversations, I was always impressed by, and jealous of, their apparent borderlessness. The Rhine meant nothing to them, for on either bank they maintained the same bizarre polyglot banter in which French, German, Alsatian, and Badisch were all entirely interchangeable. They literally switched languages from word to word, sentence to sentence. Sometimes I addressed them in French, sometimes in German. I don't know if they noticed one way or the other, and I can never recall in which language they had spoken to me. There are simply no boundaries on Südbadenbus 1076. How gloriously universalist, I thought. But then I realized that the Alsatians' linguistic univeralism was in fact a marker of their particularism. By being both German and French they are neither German nor French. They are Alsatians, and out of a clash of identities they have derived their own, unique identity, which resolves the tensions between the two cultures while negating neither. Although Alsatians are touchy about how French or Germans perceive them, it is only because the French and the Germans occasionally question their loyalty. The Alsatians themselves are remarkably comfortable with their own cultural dualism and recognize in it their own distinctiveness. They do not fret about alienation.............. Robert A. Valois In a message dated 2/16/2014 7:38:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rlboz@att.net writes: Well politically Alsace and Lporraine went back and forth between France and Germany. The Alsatian language has Germanic tones to it. Often the people in this Black Forest Region did not think so much as being French or German but as being from an area with a lot of Black Forest traditions that crossed the borders. Families often lived across the borders and there was a lot of trade and economic travel between them as well. I have seen members of my family from the 1400s on move back and forth several times following economic opportunities. I think today, we think more in terms of national identity and in the past this was not so much the case as some of those areas were blurred... German dukes owned parts of France, French nobility had holdings in what today is Germany, it was just more of a loose association of areas for economic or family reasons due to cross border marriages and inheritances. My family was speaking German and then French and then German and then French depending upon the timeline. My grandparents were already second generation American but could understand if not speak German yet they wanted me to learn French (go figure). Seem that their grandparents could speak both and they wanted someone in the family to be able to read and understand letters an things they had and couldn't. So I agree, back and forth. This is why I always advise someone rese arching in east France or Western Germany to check areas in the other country.... sometimes you find your relatives moved there and you may not know why.... love? economy? running away from the law or transcription in military? Many reasons..... Laura >________________________________ > From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >To: rlboz@att.net; baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:30 PM >Subject: Re: [BW] Bower > > > >Gramps also told me - referring to Baden and Alsace--"back and forth, back and forth". > >An ancestor did come from Strasbourg, but no evidence of repeated returns has been found nor any reason for it. > >Robert A. Valois > >In a message dated 2/16/2014 5:19:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rlboz@att.net writes: >I think this is fairly common because it is a large enough area that people may have heard of it... >> >>The same thing happened in my family and my folks were from Appenweier and Rottingen so I think they picked the closest big town >> >>I live in St. Louis unincorporated County but the closest known place is Fenton so I often say I live in Fenton (we do have a Fenton post office address) so I wonder if our ancestors did similar things.... >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: "RValois368@aol.com" <RValois368@aol.com> >>>To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >>>Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:11 PM >>>Subject: Re: [BW] Bower >>> >>> >>>Funny this story about our ancestors emigrating from "Baden-Baden". My >>>grandfather told me that too. But they came from Rastatt, Baden, about 15 >>>miles away, never were they from Baden-Baden. >>> >>>Robert A. Valois >>> >>> >>>In a message dated 2/16/2014 3:13:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>erlast@t-online.de writes: >>> >>>Search for B a u e r not Bower. Bauer is german. >>> >>>Erika >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>Von: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>[mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Norma Beil >>>Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2014 20:23 >>>An: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >>>Betreff: [BW] Bower >>> >>>Does anyone have a connection with Benedick or Benedict Bower born 1783 >>>and who emigrated from Baden Baden Germany with his family in 1833 to >>>the USA? His wife's name was Elizabeth Kell and the children were >>>Joseph, Helen, Thomas, Genevieve, and Teresa. I believe Benedick's >>>parents were Josephi Bower and Mariea Eggs. >>>Norma >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>>subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message