I have posted here before several years ago and am doing it again to see if it reveals any new information. Looking for any one, especially any one living in Germany, who is researching the Holman/Hollmann surname family. My ancestor Conrad Holman came to Charleston, SC in January 1750 with only a wife Mary Ann. The only clue of him coming from Germany is when 20 years later he mentions in his will he left a daughter by a first wife in "Germany." What does "Germany" mean in 1771 since there was no one country Germany until 1871. He was a Protestant (likely Lutheran). He and Mary Ann had children named Conrad Jr., Mary Ann, Joseph, John, Melchior and Catherine. He had enough money to pay for his voyage from Rotterdam via London to Charleston, SC on the Ship Greenwich. Any help will be greatly appreciated, even the smallest comment. I am currently trying to identify modern day concentrations of Holman/Hollmann by using the German Phonebook (Das Telefonbuch) in hopes of identifying locations to target for detail research and contact. Hoping for Good Luck, Larry Holman Mississippi, USA
Hello! I have found another record which I hope details an ancestor. However, the script is proving to be quite difficult (as usual.) Would some kind soulplease help me decipher a few words? the link is below - it is record #12 - and I cannot decipher the first name after'eingesegnet word' on the second line of the entry. on the third line of the entry, after the word Sohn there are two letters, which I believe are 'u' for und, and 'j' for Jungfrau... then a first name which has me baffled (it doesn't take much). then, the name of the village after the words 'Schultz zu' I thank you kindly in advance for any help! Kind regards, Thomas Johnson http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=317eaf-1396529740.jpg Jesu Juva
Well thank you all for the speed things came - seems that Prussia and Waldeck are not mutually exclusive at least, not round the right time for this. Dawn -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald and Laura Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2014 2:17 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Duchy of Waldock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldeck,_Hesse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldeck_(state) Hope this helps! On of my great great grandfathers came from there, last name of Eufinger. >________________________________ > From: Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:01 PM >Subject: [BW] Duchy of Waldock > > >This appears as a birth place on the 1851 English census. The man it >applies to (John Bernard) is with a man born in Prussia. They are both >bakers, or apprentice bakers. > > > >Now then, I am well able to believe it is something like the English person >heard as Waldock. Any clues, anyone? I know nothing about the states and >duchies of what was to become Germany and even Alsace Lorraine. > > > >It might be my gg grandfather, John or Johann Fredrick BERNHARDT . Might >not, too, but.. my man was always apart from this some sort of artist or >magic lantern maker, artist, etc etc. My man might not even be in England >at the time, but this is the right sort of age for him to be well left his >foster parents in Germany according to the family stories. My gg >grandfather said he was born Prussia and Wurttemberg and maybe Marburg on >various things. Writing is never easy to read for his records! Family >story on a "half" side is, he (or his son) went comparatively often / were >connected to a farm in Alsace Lorraine. > > > >Dawn (Melbourne Australia) > > > >--- >This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >http://www.avast.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
This appears as a birth place on the 1851 English census. The man it applies to (John Bernard) is with a man born in Prussia. They are both bakers, or apprentice bakers. Now then, I am well able to believe it is something like the English person heard as Waldock. Any clues, anyone? I know nothing about the states and duchies of what was to become Germany and even Alsace Lorraine. It might be my gg grandfather, John or Johann Fredrick BERNHARDT . Might not, too, but.. my man was always apart from this some sort of artist or magic lantern maker, artist, etc etc. My man might not even be in England at the time, but this is the right sort of age for him to be well left his foster parents in Germany according to the family stories. My gg grandfather said he was born Prussia and Wurttemberg and maybe Marburg on various things. Writing is never easy to read for his records! Family story on a "half" side is, he (or his son) went comparatively often / were connected to a farm in Alsace Lorraine. Dawn (Melbourne Australia) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldeck,_Hesse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldeck_(state) Hope this helps! On of my great great grandfathers came from there, last name of Eufinger. >________________________________ > From: Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:01 PM >Subject: [BW] Duchy of Waldock > > >This appears as a birth place on the 1851 English census. The man it >applies to (John Bernard) is with a man born in Prussia. They are both >bakers, or apprentice bakers. > > > >Now then, I am well able to believe it is something like the English person >heard as Waldock. Any clues, anyone? I know nothing about the states and >duchies of what was to become Germany and even Alsace Lorraine. > > > >It might be my gg grandfather, John or Johann Fredrick BERNHARDT . Might >not, too, but.. my man was always apart from this some sort of artist or >magic lantern maker, artist, etc etc. My man might not even be in England >at the time, but this is the right sort of age for him to be well left his >foster parents in Germany according to the family stories. My gg >grandfather said he was born Prussia and Wurttemberg and maybe Marburg on >various things. Writing is never easy to read for his records! Family >story on a "half" side is, he (or his son) went comparatively often / were >connected to a farm in Alsace Lorraine. > > > >Dawn (Melbourne Australia) > > > >--- >This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >http://www.avast.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >
Waldeck ....I have family who came from there in Germany Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
Elsie replied: >>Hello, David, I would order the film 912191 and search for this baptism and the baptisms of all of Theresia's siblings. One or more of the entries may list the birth places of the parents if they were not born in Habsthal. Also search that town for marriage records of the parents and children, you may find something. If the parents were not of Habsthal, they probably married in the wife's home town. As you suspect, you will probably need to find the marriage to find the parents of your Paulus. Someone else may have other ideas. Good luck, Elsie<< And later added: >>PS I see the marriages for that town do not start until 1819 so you may be out of luck with that. Sorry. Elsie<< David, you should exactly do as Elsie suggests: get the microfilmed church records of Habsthal from the LDS, Film Number: 912191, on lease. (Never ever base your ancestry on indexed LDS entries alone.) This film includes: Taufen, Heiraten, Tote (Baptisms, Marriages, Deaths) from 1609 to 1819 _AND ALSO_ Taufen, Tote (Baptisms, Deaths) from 1819 to 1900 _AND_ Heiraten (Marriages) from 1819 to 1870 Then take copies of / check all Strobel, Stroebele, Stroebel (or variants of it) entries and analyze these with greatest care and to every detail. In case you ancestor, Paulus Stroebele, did not originate from Habsthal then you should at least find in any of these records a hint pointing to his place of origin. Even witnesses listed in baptism entries may provide glues to family connections / family origins in other places than the actual place of baptism. If you already have a copy of Theresia's baptism record from 1736, what does the original (!) text exactly say? Good luck, Vera Nagel
Excellent, excellent info. Thank you so much.<br/><br/>Dave<a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS"><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a>
I would like to know of those, too. Any chance they were in the Alsace Lorraine region? Any town that might be like Morbury or Marbury - the writing is atrocious! Dawn -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole Cook Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 4:49 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: [BW] List of German exclaves in France belonging to Wuerttemberg Were the German exclaves in France that belonged to Wuerttemberg just cities or did they contain areas larger than a city? Is there a list that names all of these exclaves? Carole ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Dave Joan. is Lat. for Johannes or Johann. Kent In a message dated 3/27/2014 4:26:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: I have an ancestor in Germany whose name appears as "Joan. Georg Stroebele." What is "Joan." short for? Anyone know? Thank you, Dave ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi David, If you know their religion, such as Catholic, you can search for churches in the area. I did Catholic Ostrach and came up with this map https://www.google.com/maps/search/Catholic+churches+Ostrach+Germany/@47.9485318,9.3673414,10z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!2m4!3m3!1sCatholic+churches!2sOstrach,+Germany!3s0x479a4edfbdf99425:0x398dcb86f5d0dc08 Perhaps you could send a letter in both English and German (in case the translation is not a good one... you can try using google languages or www.freetranslation.com) Perhaps a church has records back that far. Some of the French ones do in the BW area... Laura >________________________________ > From: "saare@attglobal.net" <saare@attglobal.net> >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:14 PM >Subject: Re: [BW] Paulus Stroebele marriage record? > > >PS I see the marriages for that town do not start until 1819 so you may be >out of luck with that. Sorry. >Elsie > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Stroebel >Sent: March 26, 2014 10:10 AM >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BW] Paulus Stroebele marriage record? > >Hello, > >Could anyone please shed some light on finding the marriage record for my >ancestor, Paulus Stroebele? If I can find his marriage record, I could >determin who his parents were and trace my family history further back. > >This is my ancestor Paulus in 1736 on the day his first child, Theresia was >baptised: >https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXM6-YP8 > >This could be Paulus' baptismal record but unsure. Distance between two >towns in 115km: >https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NC94-8BC > >What should my next step be? I was already told by the Frieburg Archives >that they did not have a marriage record for him. > >Thank you all, > >David > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >--- >This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >http://www.avast.com > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >
PS I see the marriages for that town do not start until 1819 so you may be out of luck with that. Sorry. Elsie -----Original Message----- From: David Stroebel Sent: March 26, 2014 10:10 AM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: [BW] Paulus Stroebele marriage record? Hello, Could anyone please shed some light on finding the marriage record for my ancestor, Paulus Stroebele? If I can find his marriage record, I could determin who his parents were and trace my family history further back. This is my ancestor Paulus in 1736 on the day his first child, Theresia was baptised: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXM6-YP8 This could be Paulus' baptismal record but unsure. Distance between two towns in 115km: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NC94-8BC What should my next step be? I was already told by the Frieburg Archives that they did not have a marriage record for him. Thank you all, David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Hello, David, I would order the film 912191 and search for this baptism and the baptisms of all of Theresia's siblings. One or more of the entries may list the birth places of the parents if they were not born in Habsthal. Also search that town for marriage records of the parents and children, you may find something. If the parents were not of Habsthal, they probably married in the wife's home town. As you suspect, you will probably need to find the marriage to find the parents of your Paulus. Someone else may have other ideas. Good luck, Elsie -----Original Message----- From: David Stroebel Sent: March 26, 2014 10:10 AM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: [BW] Paulus Stroebele marriage record? Hello, Could anyone please shed some light on finding the marriage record for my ancestor, Paulus Stroebele? If I can find his marriage record, I could determin who his parents were and trace my family history further back. This is my ancestor Paulus in 1736 on the day his first child, Theresia was baptised: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXM6-YP8 This could be Paulus' baptismal record but unsure. Distance between two towns in 115km: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NC94-8BC What should my next step be? I was already told by the Frieburg Archives that they did not have a marriage record for him. Thank you all, David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
I have an ancestor in Germany whose name appears as "Joan. Georg Stroebele." What is "Joan." short for? Anyone know? Thank you, Dave
-----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of baden-wurttemberg-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:01 AM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 69 Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:48:35 -0600 From: "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching@broadweave.net> Subject: [BW] List of German exclaves in France belonging to Wuerttemberg To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000901cf4980$31995e50$94cc1af0$@broadweave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Were the German exclaves in France that belonged to Wuerttemberg just cities or did they contain areas larger than a city? Is there a list that names all of these exclaves? Carole ------------------------------ Hallo Carole, a famous exclave of Wuerttemberg in France is the County of Montbeliard (French: Comte de Montbeliard; German: Grafschaft Moempelgard) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_Montbeliard Peter
If you switch to the German version of that Wikipedia entry (by clicking on "Deutsch" in the menu on the left), you will also find a list of all the towns that were part of that County. These are more than are listed on the English page, as the County actually consisted of several parts. René Von: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von GPRKS Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. März 2014 09:11 An: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BW] List of German exclaves in France belonging to Wuerttemberg Hallo Carole, a famous exclave of Wuerttemberg in France is the County of Montbeliard (French: Comte de Montbeliard; German: Grafschaft Moempelgard) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_Montbeliard Peter From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of baden-wurttemberg-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:01 AM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 69 Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:48:35 -0600 From: "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching@broadweave.net> Subject: [BW] List of German exclaves in France belonging to Wuerttemberg To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000901cf4980$31995e50$94cc1af0$@broadweave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Were the German exclaves in France that belonged to Wuerttemberg just cities or did they contain areas larger than a city? Is there a list that names all of these exclaves? Carole ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sitz der Gesellschaft / Corporate Headquarters: Deutsche Lufthansa Aktiengesellschaft, Koeln, Registereintragung / Registration: Amtsgericht Koeln HR B 2168 Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats / Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Wolfgang Mayrhuber Vorstand / Executive Board: Dr. Christoph Franz (Vorsitzender / Chairman), Simone Menne, Carsten Spohr, Dr. Bettina Volkens, Harry Hohmeister
One of best sources for historical boundaries and enclaves, as they developed over time, is an interactive map called "Centennia Historical Atlas" from http://www.clockwk.com/ . You can see all boundaries throughout Europe at any time in history, and turn on "motion" to see them evolve over time Lee <snip> > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:48:35 -0600 > From: "Carole Cook" <carolescoaching@broadweave.net> > Subject: [BW] List of German exclaves in France belonging to > Wuerttemberg > To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000901cf4980$31995e50$94cc1af0$@broadweave.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Were the German exclaves in France that belonged to Wuerttemberg just > cities or did they contain areas larger than a city? Is there a list > that names all of these exclaves? > > > > Carole > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:27:02 +1100 > From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [BW] List of German exclaves in France belonging to > Wuerttemberg > To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001201cf4985$9c993cc0$d5cbb640$@com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would like to know of those, too. Any chance they were in the Alsace > Lorraine region? Any town that might be like Morbury or Marbury - the > writing is atrocious! > > Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole > Cook > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 4:49 PM > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BW] List of German exclaves in France belonging to > Wuerttemberg > > Were the German exclaves in France that belonged to Wuerttemberg just > cities or did they contain areas larger than a city? Is there a list > that names all of these exclaves? > > > > Carole > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN- > WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BADEN-WURTTEMBERG list administrator, send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BADEN-WURTTEMBERG mailing list, send an email > to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN- > WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 69 > ************************************************
Were the German exclaves in France that belonged to Wuerttemberg just cities or did they contain areas larger than a city? Is there a list that names all of these exclaves? Carole
Hello, Could anyone please shed some light on finding the marriage record for my ancestor, Paulus Stroebele? If I can find his marriage record, I could determin who his parents were and trace my family history further back. This is my ancestor Paulus in 1736 on the day his first child, Theresia was baptised: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXM6-YP8 This could be Paulus' baptismal record but unsure. Distance between two towns in 115km: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NC94-8BC What should my next step be? I was already told by the Frieburg Archives that they did not have a marriage record for him. Thank you all, David
Hi Thomas...I've been in Cuba for the past week (no access to internet)so am joining this conversation late. I learned a technique from the late Edna Bentz,author of "If I Can You Can," a marvelous text re learning to read German. Shealways said to place a piece of paper over the writing and trace it with a pencil...Often your fingers will tell you the letters your brain cannot comprehend.Try it!Shirley Hulett in San Diego ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Thomas Johnson <bachjohanns@yahoo.com> To: "baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com" <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BW] another mysterious word Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 04:39:05 -0800 (PST) Thank you, Patricia and Laura, for your kind comments which have given me food for thought - perhaps this ancestor's surname is NOT Baumann after all :)� I can sincerely say that if genealogy were easy, it wouldn't be as rewarding. Thomas Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ How to Stay Asleep All Night Try this one weird trick to put your sleep troubles to rest. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/531e0e49d80e7e4975f9st04vuc