David, There's only one name that's even close...it's Anna Maria Kienlin, b 27 Feb. 1683. Could it be your "m" is really an "n" ? Nancy -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David Kemle" <kemle@msn.com> > Hi: > I have Kümlin, Kiemle, Kiemlen, Kiemlin and perhaps other family surname > spellings in several villages in and around Pforzheim. The most early ones are > from Weil der Stadt. > If you see any of these surnames I'd be forever grateful for an email about your > findings. > David Kemle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JUDYLYNC@ksu.edu > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [BW] Nussbaum, Germany-Hiller > > > Nancy-- > > Do you have any families named Dilz in your OSB? I am particularly > interested in Johann Nickle Dilz and wife Appolonia. They would have > been married about 1750. Thanks in advance for looking. > > Judy > > Quoting nlyons54@comcast.net: > > > My whole family is from Nussbaum. The Hiller name is listed abt 15 > > times in my Nussbaum OSB if you need me to look someone up. Let me > > know! > > > > Nancy > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: darylannsdesk@aol.com > > > > > > > > I have been in touch with one person with Hiller ancestors from > > Nussbaum. Are > > > there any other researchers out there with a Nussbaum and/or > > Pforzheim > > > connection? Thanks. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com> .com> with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com> .com> with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com> .com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Nancy. The Kienlin family is different and I have come across it many times before. I appreciate your time & effort. Best regards, David Kemle ----- Original Message ----- From: nlyons54@comcast.net<mailto:nlyons54@comcast.net> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com<mailto:baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Nussbaum, Germany-Kiemle David, There's only one name that's even close...it's Anna Maria Kienlin, b 27 Feb. 1683. Could it be your "m" is really an "n" ? Nancy -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David Kemle" <kemle@msn.com<mailto:kemle@msn.com>> > Hi: > I have Kümlin, Kiemle, Kiemlen, Kiemlin and perhaps other family surname > spellings in several villages in and around Pforzheim. The most early ones are > from Weil der Stadt. > If you see any of these surnames I'd be forever grateful for an email about your > findings. > David Kemle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JUDYLYNC@ksu.edu<mailto:JUDYLYNC@ksu.edu> > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com<mailto:baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [BW] Nussbaum, Germany-Hiller > > > Nancy-- > > Do you have any families named Dilz in your OSB? I am particularly > interested in Johann Nickle Dilz and wife Appolonia. They would have > been married about 1750. Thanks in advance for looking. > > Judy > > Quoting nlyons54@comcast.net<mailto:nlyons54@comcast.net>: > > > My whole family is from Nussbaum. The Hiller name is listed abt 15 > > times in my Nussbaum OSB if you need me to look someone up. Let me > > know! > > > > Nancy > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: darylannsdesk@aol.com<mailto:darylannsdesk@aol.com> > > > > > > > > I have been in touch with one person with Hiller ancestors from > > Nussbaum. Are > > > there any other researchers out there with a Nussbaum and/or > > Pforzheim > > > connection? Thanks. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com>> .com> with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com>> .com> with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com>> .com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, Sorry, no Dilz name is listed. The closest is Dillstorf. Nancy -------------- Original message -------------- From: JUDYLYNC@ksu.edu > Nancy-- > > Do you have any families named Dilz in your OSB? I am particularly > interested in Johann Nickle Dilz and wife Appolonia. They would have > been married about 1750. Thanks in advance for looking. > > Judy > > Quoting nlyons54@comcast.net: > > > My whole family is from Nussbaum. The Hiller name is listed abt 15 > > times in my Nussbaum OSB if you need me to look someone up. Let me > > know! > > > > Nancy > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: darylannsdesk@aol.com > > > > > > > > I have been in touch with one person with Hiller ancestors from > > Nussbaum. Are > > > there any other researchers out there with a Nussbaum and/or > > Pforzheim > > > connection? Thanks. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jack, Sorry, no Hillerbrands or Hildebrands, Hiller is as close as it gets. Anyone else you want me to check on? Nancy -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jack McConnell" <jacmac138@alltel.net> > Nancy, > By any chance are there any Hillerbrands, Hildebrands listed in your book? > > Jack > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:32 PM > Subject: Re: [BW] Nussbaum, Germany-Hiller > > > > My whole family is from Nussbaum. The Hiller name is listed abt 15 times > > in my Nussbaum OSB if you need me to look someone up. Let me know! > > > > Nancy > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: darylannsdesk@aol.com > > > >> > >> I have been in touch with one person with Hiller ancestors from Nussbaum. > >> Are > >> there any other researchers out there with a Nussbaum and/or Pforzheim > >> connection? Thanks. > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pfeffer is pepper and the k?chler ??? Pfefferkuchen is gingerbread. > > Could someone please translate this occupation for me ? > > Pfefferk?chler > > > Thanks > > Chuck > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BADEN-WURTTEMBERG list administrator, send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BADEN-WURTTEMBERG mailing list, send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 3, Issue 232 > ************************************************* > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 > 12:59 PM > > >

Thanks Nancy, That's the only ones Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: <nlyons54@comcast.net> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Nussbaum, Germany-Hiller > Jack, > Sorry, no Hillerbrands or Hildebrands, Hiller is as close as it gets. > Anyone else you want me to check on? > > Nancy > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Jack McConnell" <jacmac138@alltel.net> > >> Nancy, >> By any chance are there any Hillerbrands, Hildebrands listed in your >> book? >> >> Jack >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [BW] Nussbaum, Germany-Hiller >> >> >> > My whole family is from Nussbaum. The Hiller name is listed abt 15 >> > times >> > in my Nussbaum OSB if you need me to look someone up. Let me know! >> > >> > Nancy >> > >> > -------------- Original message -------------- >> > From: darylannsdesk@aol.com >> > >> >> >> >> I have been in touch with one person with Hiller ancestors from >> >> Nussbaum. >> >> Are >> >> there any other researchers out there with a Nussbaum and/or Pforzheim >> >> connection? Thanks. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Chuck, Pfefferkuechler = baker of gingerbread Thomas (Moench) > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: <baden-wurttemberg-request@rootsweb.com> > Gesendet: 21.07.08 09:01:20 > An: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Betreff: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 3, Issue 232 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Translation Please (Cgs1996@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:53:54 EDT > From: Cgs1996@aol.com > Subject: [BW] Translation Please > To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c4b.320b824d.35b57062@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Could someone please translate this occupation for me ? > > Pfefferk?chler > > > Thanks > > Chuck > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BADEN-WURTTEMBERG list administrator, send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BADEN-WURTTEMBERG mailing list, send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 3, Issue 232 > ************************************************* > _______________________________________________________________________ Jetzt neu! Schützen Sie Ihren PC mit McAfee und WEB.DE. 30 Tage kostenlos testen. http://www.pc-sicherheit.web.de/startseite/?mc=022220

Fred, About civil records In the the German Empire civil registration were introduced by law in not until 1875. In the time before the German states handled the civil registration separately. In Württemberg the king ordered 1808 that the minister of the church had to act as his registrator of the civil records. In this function the minister had to deliver copies of his records to the administration in Stuttgart. Today these are preserved in the Hauptstaatsarchiv in Stuttgart. About missing records It is well known that the present copies of the 'civil' records in the Hauptstaatsarchiv in Stuttgart are not complete. About half of the records are missing as a German researcher found out recently. Recommendation to deal with your special case 1. Check which film of LDS presents the original church book and which use only the 'civil' copies of the Hauptstaatsarchiv. Use the films of the original records. 2. There are also cases where for a certain time a parish was administered by another parish, mostly by a nearby parish. In this case the records are to be found in the administrating parish. 3. The worst case is that the church book you are missing is indeed lost. That happens from time to time. To learn wether this is the case I would recommend to write a letter to the parish of Rosenberg about your problem. If you are lucky you will get an answer with a hint how to go on. Dieter -- Dieter Joos Ueberlingen / Bodensee, Germany Webmaster of RootsWeb's Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List On 19 Jul 2008 at 17:10, kopfler wrote: > Family History Library films 897653 - 897657 contain the Catholic > Church records (St. Jakobus Kirche) for Hohenberg (Rosenberg), > Jagstkreis, Wuettemberg. The Baptism records for the period I need > (1830 - 1853) are missing as is the family book for this time period. > Does anyone know if there exist civil records of births for this time > period in these villages? > > Fred Kopfler >

Lester, On the Website of Durbach http://www.durbach.de/ you find all bacic information about Durbach. You get a map, also showing Ebersweier, by clicking on "Ortsplan" As to your question about the preservation of the civil records I recommend to write to the admistration of Durbach. This is the email adress of the Rathaus rathaus@durbach.de Dieter -- Dieter Joos Ueberlingen / Bodensee, Germany Webmaster of RootsWeb's Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List On 20 Jul 2008 at 12:39, Lester Dietterick wrote: > > > On Google Earth there is an Ebersweier Ohlsbach and an Ebersweier > Durbach. I am looking for information on Ebersweier Durbach which is > about 3.4 km (2.1 miles) from Durbach, B-W, Germany. > > I would like to know which District/Kreis/County this place is part of > and where the District/Kreis/County courthouse/Rathaus is located. > > I am trying to determine where the circa 1830-1840 civil records (land > records and paternity records) for the village of Ebersweier Durbach > might be found. > > Your help would be greatly appreciated. > > Lester > _________________________________________________________________ With > Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobi > le_072008 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Thomas Chuck Pfefferkuechler = baker of gingerbread Thomas (Moench) **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Chuck, Pfefferkuchen is a special bakery, perhaps like gingerbread. So its a baker. http://www.tu-dresden.de/isgv/bidok/info_db/Bd8_Gei%DFler.pdf Klaus (Meyer) > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: <Cgs1996@aol.com> > Gesendet: 21.07.08 06:54:44 > An: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-L@rootsweb.com > Betreff: [BW] Translation Please > Could someone please translate this occupation for me ? > > Pfefferküchler > > > Thanks > > Chuck > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _______________________________________________________________________ Jetzt neu! Schützen Sie Ihren PC mit McAfee und WEB.DE. 30 Tage kostenlos testen. http://www.pc-sicherheit.web.de/startseite/?mc=022220

Could someone please translate this occupation for me ? Pfefferküchler Thanks Chuck **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

I am wondering how to find records on free masons in Germany. My g/g/g-grandfather, Frederick George Eppinger and wife Sophia Busch, both from Wurttemberg- were free masons. Are their church records for free masons, or would this be an organization type record?? Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Linda **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

LDS Family Search Centers or Family Search on line Dan On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:10 PM, kenneth oehrle <oehrle@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Looking for information on the following: > > George Hetrick b. bet.1795-1805, wife Elizabeth Williams b. abt 1794 > > Philip Nitterhouse b. abt. 1796 wife Elizabeth Frey b. abt. 1801 > > Johannes Moll (Mull) b. 29 Mar 1754, Lancaster, PA > > Any help would be most appreciated. > > Ken Oehrle > oehrle@sbcglobal.net > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There many Germans in Texas. I'm sure with a little checking you could get those pages translated. Dan On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Marty McElhaney <mmctmr@texas-skies.com> wrote: > Dear List, > > I am hoping somebody [bodies], will be able to help me with this task. > > My ggg grandfather, Norbert SIEFERMANN and his wife Birgette or > FRANZISKA nee SCHURR and their small daughter Mar. Anna emigrated to > America in 1854. I paid a fellow in Germany to research this family and > received from him 9 pages of documents relating to their emigration > application (I think). It is all in German and since the fellow did not > follow through and translate it for me, I can't be sure what it means. > > The cover page has these words (if I can get the old German script right): > > Grobherzoglich Badifches > > Sezirfsamt Uchern > > Berwaltungs=Cachen > > Drt Seebach > > Rubrif: Wegrug > > Beneath that is Norbert Siefermann's name and I think something about > Seebach and his family off to America. Near the bottom of the page is > Jahr 1854. > > Would some kind soul help me with the translation? Additionally, could > somebody point me in the right direction to find the families of these > persons. I don't know whether they were Catholic or Lutheran or what > and I don't have a clue where to begin looking. > > Sincerely, > > Marty McElhaney > > Texas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Is there a book about this town? I have the records from immigration of the Gottlieb Mammel family, but cannot read the 2nd wife's last name. She is Anna Barbara ???? It could be Manz or something entirely different with 4 or more letters. thank you Marti Wenk Hause Vista Ca **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Dear List, I am hoping somebody [bodies], will be able to help me with this task. My ggg grandfather, Norbert SIEFERMANN and his wife Birgette or FRANZISKA nee SCHURR and their small daughter Mar. Anna emigrated to America in 1854. I paid a fellow in Germany to research this family and received from him 9 pages of documents relating to their emigration application (I think). It is all in German and since the fellow did not follow through and translate it for me, I can't be sure what it means. The cover page has these words (if I can get the old German script right): Grobherzoglich Badifches Sezirfsamt Uchern Berwaltungs=Cachen Drt Seebach Rubrif: Wegrug Beneath that is Norbert Siefermann's name and I think something about Seebach and his family off to America. Near the bottom of the page is Jahr 1854. Would some kind soul help me with the translation? Additionally, could somebody point me in the right direction to find the families of these persons. I don't know whether they were Catholic or Lutheran or what and I don't have a clue where to begin looking. Sincerely, Marty McElhaney Texas

On Google Earth there is an Ebersweier Ohlsbach and an Ebersweier Durbach. I am looking for information on Ebersweier Durbach which is about 3.4 km (2.1 miles) from Durbach, B-W, Germany. I would like to know which District/Kreis/County this place is part of and where the District/Kreis/County courthouse/Rathaus is located. I am trying to determine where the circa 1830-1840 civil records (land records and paternity records) for the village of Ebersweier Durbach might be found. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Lester _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008

Looking for information on the following: George Hetrick b. bet.1795-1805, wife Elizabeth Williams b. abt 1794 Philip Nitterhouse b. abt. 1796 wife Elizabeth Frey b. abt. 1801 Johannes Moll (Mull) b. 29 Mar 1754, Lancaster, PA Any help would be most appreciated. Ken Oehrle oehrle@sbcglobal.net

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