I find the reviews of history books from the mailing list H-REVIEW@H-NET.MSU.EDU interesting and helpful. Some reviews and other notes on German history, including Baden and Wuertemburg history, are on the H-German@msu.edu mailing list. One can subscribe to either by sending an e-mail with the text "subscribe H-Review" or "subscribe H-German" or both to listserv@h-net.msu.edu. A recent review of Dieter K. Buse. _The Regions of Germany: A Reference Guide to History and Culture_. Westport: Greenwood Press, 2005, ISBN 978-0-313-32400-0 included this comment, "The text is divided in sixteen chapters, or one for each federal state. They cover the same eleven major themes, making comparison simple. Buse shows us that while some political and cultural entities, such as Bavaria and Hamburg, emerged after the war largely intact, others, such as Lower Saxony and Hesse, developed out of diverse jurisdictions and had to mold new regional identities. He reminds us that while today it seems normal to look at Baden-Wurttemberg as a unit, these territories represent areas with distinct cultural traditions." Tom Rightmyer trightmy@juno.com Asheville, NC ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on business phone systems from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ohtZetjDH1JfPG67098NluaI7YicVCSpXGf1ScwIMGz80KI/

As one of my cousins says, the first child can come at any time, it's the later ones that take nine months to arrive. Obviously our German ancestors were not hung up on Victorian notions of appropriate conduct. It doesn't seem to have caused any guilt complexes. Eric Schaal -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Daniela OConnor Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:19 PM To: B-W Mailing List; Carla Heller Subject: Re: [BW] Were Emigrating Ancestors REALLY "Married Aboard the ShipOver?" I have to agree with Carla.  A similar story had been told regarding our great granparents saying they were married in their hometown before coming to the US, that it was their "honeymoon" trip.  However, after much research, I was able to find their marriage.....done right here in Chicago where they settled just a day or two after arriving.  As it happens, they must have "honemooned" back in Germany because our grandmother, their oldest daughter, was born in Chicago two months after they were married.   No one knew that, there is no mention of a marriage in the hometown records AND great grandma was listed using her maiden name.   Oooops!!  Daniela --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Carla Heller <mscarlah@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Carla Heller <mscarlah@earthlink.net> Subject: [BW] Were Emigrating Ancestors REALLY "Married Aboard the Ship Over?" To: "B-W Mailing List" <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 7:31 PM Dear Baden-Wuerttemberg List Friends, A recent earlier message prompts me to offer an (I hope!) interesting footnote on the subject of emigrating ancestors who are believed (or assumed) to have "been married aboard the ship over" to whatever country they settled in. Keep in mind that family lore (or a personal assumption) that says an emigrant couple were "married aboard ship" on the voyage to the new land is extremely common for most family seekers---it seems all of us have at least one such incident in our ancestral histories. :-) However, there is a popular misconception at work here that can possibly derail your research efforts if you're unaware of it. As Michael Palmer (a noted expert on ships and immigration) has advised us on this and other lists over the years, if your emigrant ancestors were reportedly "married aboard ship," the usual reality is that the couple were either married before emigrating, or were married after arriving in their new country. Here's the principal reason (the following passage is excerpted from "Myth Information," by J. Allen Varasdi, Ballantine Books, New York, 1989, Page 49): "Contrary to popular belief, the captain of a ship could not perform a marriage ceremony on board his ship unless he was legally authorized to marry people *on land.* In order for any such marriage to be recognized [as valid], any person who performed the ceremony must have been legally impowered to do so, such as by a religious or civil authority. Although the maritime authority vested in a ship's captain entailed certain powers, it did not include matters of civil jurisdiction such as marriage ceremonies." Speaking strictly from my own family research experience, be cautious about accepting the romantic "married on the ship" notion instead of attempting to carefully research marriage records that may be available in the PORT city in which the ancestors *arrived* or from which they departed Europe (if known), rather than just the place in the US where they are known to have *settled* (or their European place of origin.) Especially if you think your ancestors "met on the ship," they may have quickly sought to be married soon after arriving. (My maternal family insisted to me for decades that my BARANOWSKI great-grandparents from Prussian Poland were "married onboard ship" on the way over; however, after a few years of painstaking research, I discovered they were actually married in *Baltimore, Maryland, USA,* shortly after their arrival in that port, before their known settlement in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania! Even their own adult children had no idea of this fact.) :-) Wishing you the best research outcomes, Carla HELLER, Los Angeles, California USA mscarlah@earthlink.net List Co-Administrator, ROOTSWEB'S Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List ================================================================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Dear Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List Friends, We're sure everyone wants to publicize his/her genealogical research interests as widely as possible to reach others who may be researching the same lines or localities. However, many of your fellow 1,000-plus Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing list members (and later, members of the public who check the list's archives on the RootsWeb site) will not take the time to open and read your messages, unless something in the SUBJECT TITLE catches their attention. If the subject title is vague, overly-general, or is left blank, they may ignore and delete your message *unread.* Keep in mind that message titles like, "Looking for ancestors," or "Great-grandfather from Wuerttemberg," or "Crossing the Atlantic" just don't tell other people very much about your research interests or message content and prompt them to open the message to read it through. :-) To avoid the possibility of having others delete your list messages without even reading them, please try to identify (briefly) the *main focus* of your message in the subject title. Just as a few examples: (1) If asking a question, summarize it in the message title (e.g., "Where is Town [fill in the name]?" or "What's the difference between Baden and Baden-Baden?" or "Who holds copies of emigration records for Wuerttemberg emigrants?") (2) If you are posting a query or other message about a specific ancestor, please include at least the person's SURNAME in the subject title, such as "HAGNER in Wuerttemberg." It is preferable to type the surname all in upper case letters to help it stand out. MOST IMPORTANTLY---***IF*** YOU KNOW the particular ancestral place of origin (i.e., the VILLAGE, TOWN, or CITY *WITHIN* the formerly separate German states of Baden, Wuerttemberg or Hohenzollern covered by this mailing list), please include that as well, such as "HAGNER, Neckargartach, Wuerttemberg." At least *approximate* the time frame (event date, year range, century, etc.) in which your ancestor lived (e.g. "HAGNER, 1840's, Neckargartach, Wuerttemberg"), since not all family seekers are researching the same time periods or generations. We realize that many people, especially those just beginning family research, *may NOT yet have* the critical place of origin information noted above---but some people *do,* and simply forget to include that in a genealogy query. Please give us some SPECIFIC detail in your message titles so that any others researching the same names, localities or families can quickly recognize a mutual interest---and be able to help *you.* Always wishing you the best research success, Carla HELLER, Los Angeles, California USA mscarlah@earthlink.net List Co-Administrator, ROOTSWEB'S Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List

Dear Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List Subscribers, I am posting this in the hope of being pro-active in response to possible messages about something that was apparently sent in error today to the BW List. :-) Occasionally, OFF-TOPIC or obviously personal messages are received and distributed via the Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List when one of our list members inadvertently attempts to communicate non-genealogical content with someone privately. A copy of his or her outgoing non-genealogy message ends up being inappropriately posted to the BW List as well (circulated automatically by the RootsWeb computer system which operates the list.) When this happens, it tends to generate numerous ON-LIST responses from subscribers understandably wondering why they are receiving such messages (or unfortunately rebuking the person who accidentally posted the off-topic message.) We respectfully request that you PLEASE *DO NOT* RESPOND TO SUCH MESSAGES OR POST COMMENTS ABOUT THEM ON THIS LIST. Doing so merely creates *more* OFF-TOPIC postings which serve no purpose. Whenever someone has a problem, a question, or realizes an error with regard to list postings, the wisest thing to do is to send a private, off-list email to Carla Heller (list co-administrator) DIRECTLY at: mscarlah@earthlink.net If you are concerned or want to comment about anything you are receiving via this list, please contact me off-list to discuss the matter. I am always happy to assist you in any way I can. Everyone's kind and immediate cooperation in this regard will be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Carla HELLER, Los Angeles, California USA mscarlah@earthlink.net List Co-Administrator, ROOTSWEB's Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List

I am so sorry please stop this message if you can!

He finally got our email to work, with the help of the IT person. It was just ours and no one has a clue what happened. Unfortunately, I lost my inbox messages and the sent ones that I wanted to keep Did get to keep my files with some info. Put your last email in a folder just in case Christine did to me again. Wonder if it is her fault my email quit working? Also, still have my address book, so that is good. Any way, am really tired. Not only have I been trying to get my work at a place to leave it in other peoples care, the woman that had to take the mental leave did it again this year. Called in sick Monday and found out Tuesday she was in the hospital for depression and going to be taking another leave for at least 30 days maybe more and today she was in Texas with her daughter again! I know there are many, many depressed people and some have lots of reasons to but I can't understand just giving up. So, that leaves Kim the one with the cloud (was out today because one of the dogs had surgery and she thinks she over dosed it on pain meds) and Connie (not my aunt), who has been there almost as long as I have but just has never grasped exactly what needs to be done. I have been trying to figure out ways for them to cover Brenda's job and mine. I need a raise! Enough griping, will write tomorrow. This site amazed me, never thought about them having such easy traveling access! Sondra >This is a terrific site! If you go to the home page: > >_http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/_ (http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/) > >you find numerous mapping options for historical maps, including roads and >shipping routes. > >Thanks so much! > >Brenda > > >In a message dated 7/29/2008 12:23:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >info@artadventures.co.nz writes: > >I too was curious about travel and eventually found this brilliant >timelapse map of German railway development: Eisenbahnen in Deutschland >1835-1885 >http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/mapsp/mapebga0.htm > > > >On 29/07/2008, at 8:17 AM, WMFHLNGR@aol.com wrote: > > > >>Some questions have been raised about how their ancestors got >>from various areas to ports of embarkation. >> >> On your computer, punch in "Early German trains" You will >>be surprised at how some (mit gelt) were able to travel. Many others >>used canal routes and many, many others, just walked. >> >> Bill Fehlinger-New Jersey >> >> >>

I have to agree with Carla.  A similar story had been told regarding our great granparents saying they were married in their hometown before coming to the US, that it was their "honeymoon" trip.  However, after much research, I was able to find their marriage.....done right here in Chicago where they settled just a day or two after arriving.  As it happens, they must have "honemooned" back in Germany because our grandmother, their oldest daughter, was born in Chicago two months after they were married.   No one knew that, there is no mention of a marriage in the hometown records AND great grandma was listed using her maiden name.   Oooops!!  Daniela --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Carla Heller <mscarlah@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Carla Heller <mscarlah@earthlink.net> Subject: [BW] Were Emigrating Ancestors REALLY "Married Aboard the Ship Over?" To: "B-W Mailing List" <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 7:31 PM Dear Baden-Wuerttemberg List Friends, A recent earlier message prompts me to offer an (I hope!) interesting footnote on the subject of emigrating ancestors who are believed (or assumed) to have "been married aboard the ship over" to whatever country they settled in. Keep in mind that family lore (or a personal assumption) that says an emigrant couple were "married aboard ship" on the voyage to the new land is extremely common for most family seekers---it seems all of us have at least one such incident in our ancestral histories. :-) However, there is a popular misconception at work here that can possibly derail your research efforts if you're unaware of it. As Michael Palmer (a noted expert on ships and immigration) has advised us on this and other lists over the years, if your emigrant ancestors were reportedly "married aboard ship," the usual reality is that the couple were either married before emigrating, or were married after arriving in their new country. Here's the principal reason (the following passage is excerpted from "Myth Information," by J. Allen Varasdi, Ballantine Books, New York, 1989, Page 49): "Contrary to popular belief, the captain of a ship could not perform a marriage ceremony on board his ship unless he was legally authorized to marry people *on land.* In order for any such marriage to be recognized [as valid], any person who performed the ceremony must have been legally impowered to do so, such as by a religious or civil authority. Although the maritime authority vested in a ship's captain entailed certain powers, it did not include matters of civil jurisdiction such as marriage ceremonies." Speaking strictly from my own family research experience, be cautious about accepting the romantic "married on the ship" notion instead of attempting to carefully research marriage records that may be available in the PORT city in which the ancestors *arrived* or from which they departed Europe (if known), rather than just the place in the US where they are known to have *settled* (or their European place of origin.) Especially if you think your ancestors "met on the ship," they may have quickly sought to be married soon after arriving. (My maternal family insisted to me for decades that my BARANOWSKI great-grandparents from Prussian Poland were "married onboard ship" on the way over; however, after a few years of painstaking research, I discovered they were actually married in *Baltimore, Maryland, USA,* shortly after their arrival in that port, before their known settlement in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania! Even their own adult children had no idea of this fact.) :-) Wishing you the best research outcomes, Carla HELLER, Los Angeles, California USA mscarlah@earthlink.net List Co-Administrator, ROOTSWEB'S Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List ================================================================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Carla for this information. It sure is interesting. Don't we all wish we could ask these ancestors questions about their adventure from their homeland to America? I can imagine we would be horrified as to what they had to do to survive. Jane Glaser

Dear Baden-Wuerttemberg List Friends, A recent earlier message prompts me to offer an (I hope!) interesting footnote on the subject of emigrating ancestors who are believed (or assumed) to have "been married aboard the ship over" to whatever country they settled in. Keep in mind that family lore (or a personal assumption) that says an emigrant couple were "married aboard ship" on the voyage to the new land is extremely common for most family seekers---it seems all of us have at least one such incident in our ancestral histories. :-) However, there is a popular misconception at work here that can possibly derail your research efforts if you're unaware of it. As Michael Palmer (a noted expert on ships and immigration) has advised us on this and other lists over the years, if your emigrant ancestors were reportedly "married aboard ship," the usual reality is that the couple were either married before emigrating, or were married after arriving in their new country. Here's the principal reason (the following passage is excerpted from "Myth Information," by J. Allen Varasdi, Ballantine Books, New York, 1989, Page 49): "Contrary to popular belief, the captain of a ship could not perform a marriage ceremony on board his ship unless he was legally authorized to marry people *on land.* In order for any such marriage to be recognized [as valid], any person who performed the ceremony must have been legally impowered to do so, such as by a religious or civil authority. Although the maritime authority vested in a ship's captain entailed certain powers, it did not include matters of civil jurisdiction such as marriage ceremonies." Speaking strictly from my own family research experience, be cautious about accepting the romantic "married on the ship" notion instead of attempting to carefully research marriage records that may be available in the PORT city in which the ancestors *arrived* or from which they departed Europe (if known), rather than just the place in the US where they are known to have *settled* (or their European place of origin.) Especially if you think your ancestors "met on the ship," they may have quickly sought to be married soon after arriving. (My maternal family insisted to me for decades that my BARANOWSKI great-grandparents from Prussian Poland were "married onboard ship" on the way over; however, after a few years of painstaking research, I discovered they were actually married in *Baltimore, Maryland, USA,* shortly after their arrival in that port, before their known settlement in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania! Even their own adult children had no idea of this fact.) :-) Wishing you the best research outcomes, Carla HELLER, Los Angeles, California USA mscarlah@earthlink.net List Co-Administrator, ROOTSWEB'S Baden-Wuerttemberg Mailing List =================================================================

MY GREAT GRANDFATHER LEFT BREMEN IN JULY 1853 AND ARRIVED NEW YORK CITY IN DEC. 1853. GOT ON BOAT AS A SINGLE PERSON AND GOT OFF WITH A WIFE.. WHY 5 MONTHS TO CROSS ATLANTIC AND WHERE DID HE GET THE WIFE. I HAVE THE MANIFEST. WITH BOAT NAME AND NAME OF CAPTAIN.. VERY PERPLEXING. THE WIFES MAIDEN NAME WAS SPELLED LANCROFT WHICH I DON'T THINK IS GERMAN.COULD THE BOAT HAVE STOPPED IN ENGLAND AND IS LANCROFT AN ENGLISH NAME? SINCE THE AVERAGE PASSAGE WAS ABOUT 6 WEEKS BACK THEN , THE STOPOVER WAS QUITE EXTENDED, WAS THIS NORMAL THEN? HOW TO FIND OUT?

I too was curious about travel and eventually found this brilliant timelapse map of German railway development: Eisenbahnen in Deutschland 1835-1885 http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/mapsp/mapebga0.htm On 29/07/2008, at 8:17 AM, WMFHLNGR@aol.com wrote: > Some questions have been raised about how their ancestors got > from various areas to ports of embarkation. > > On your computer, punch in "Early German trains" You will > be surprised at how some (mit gelt) were able to travel. Many others > used canal routes and many, many others, just walked. > > Bill Fehlinger-New Jersey > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a terrific site! If you go to the home page: _http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/_ (http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/) you find numerous mapping options for historical maps, including roads and shipping routes. Thanks so much! Brenda In a message dated 7/29/2008 12:23:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, info@artadventures.co.nz writes: I too was curious about travel and eventually found this brilliant timelapse map of German railway development: Eisenbahnen in Deutschland 1835-1885 http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/mapsp/mapebga0.htm On 29/07/2008, at 8:17 AM, WMFHLNGR@aol.com wrote: > Some questions have been raised about how their ancestors got > from various areas to ports of embarkation. > > On your computer, punch in "Early German trains" You will > be surprised at how some (mit gelt) were able to travel. Many others > used canal routes and many, many others, just walked. > > Bill Fehlinger-New Jersey > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Jane, It is highly likely, just as we would do, that you ancestor's story relates to the largest community in the area where they lived. ShtetlSeeker shows there are 131 villages within 10 miles of Heidelberg. In my family story the family came from Stuttgart, but when I finally found the exact village it was 15 miles W of Stuttgart. There are about 347 villages within a 15 mile radius of Stuttgart. At 10:35 PM 7/27/2008, you wrote: >From: "Jane Glaser" <jglaser@surewest.net> >Subject: [BW] Heidelburg >To: <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com> > >My husbands Great Great Grandfather Matthaus Glaser left Baiersbronn >for America in 1832 with his parents and some siblings. Family lore >says he was born in Heidelberg, which he wasn't. Could it be that >emigrants in Wurttemberg went to Heidelberg to continue their >journey to America? Where would they have gone to get on a ship to >go to America in 1832? >Any help would be greatly appreciated >Jane Glaser ____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. Click here to open your online FX trading account. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4t0nud3hyBrKGSkQQPmaSUnslhBztrVUwMo53A7NTSr6Bs9m/

Some questions have been raised about how their ancestors got from various areas to ports of embarkation. On your computer, punch in "Early German trains" You will be surprised at how some (mit gelt) were able to travel. Many others used canal routes and many, many others, just walked. Bill Fehlinger-New Jersey **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

I have a very old book, The German People, by Veit Valatin, published 1946 by Knopf. The subtitle, Their History and Civilization from the Holy Roman Empire to the Third Reich. However, the text really begins with the tribes, Angles, Saxons, Celts, and others; 685 pages plus appendixes and charts. There are wonderful maps of the different eras included. Valatin was a German professor, relieved of his duties by Hitler's regime. He left Germany and became a professor in England, teaching there and lecturing at U.S. universities. It's a weighty tome, but a great resource. Another book I sometimes use for understanding, is Life on a Manoral Barony, by William Stearns Davis, Ph.D., Professor of History, University of Minnesota; published 1923, Harper & Brothers. Much of its contents predate the rise of the Frankish and Germanic Kingdoms, but it does give some idea of what life was like for the common people, peasants, and serfs. Jan J. Leigh Strange, BA, CCHT, RMT Ask me about hypnotherapy or Reiki for pain relief, long distance healing, spiritual emergency, past life regression. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

My apologies to the list. I obviously replied to the wrong message with my "fishing report." ----- Original Message ----- From: <WMFHLNGR@aol.com> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: [BW] Emigrating The more I read of my ancestors (and yours) leaving to come to America, the more different stories I find. Here are just two. When many of them got as far as the Netherlands, ran out of assets, they then set roots there. They became so successful with their trade knowledge and work ethics that they were taking jobs from the Dutch. After a period of time, the Dutch government subsidized many of them to take the load from their citizens. The Palatines were contracted to cut timber in NE America for the British ships. Call them slaves or whatever. They were paid passage over and probably pittance here until their contracts were up. Many times the British "forgot" the terms of time. Then these people, on their own started treks west through northern NY and PA. Hardships, but they would not give in. Many family members died on the way and were just buried wherever. There are many good books telling of what they suffered through for a new life. We should be more thankful. When people ask why they came here, I tell them to visit the local library and get some books telling about conditions in Europe at the time. The "will to survive" is a great asset. Bill Fehlinger- New Jersey **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1576 - Release Date: 7/27/2008 4:16 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1578 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 5:13 PM

Dear listers, a distant cousin is asking me for good books about german history. As I am german I cannot tell her a book written in english. Her ancestors came from a little place nearby the old "Reichsstadt" Rottweil, in Wuerttemberg. Thanks for the help Rose

I would add a newer work by Steven Ozment, a Harvard professor who has written many books on German history. The work I would recomment is A Mighty Fortress--A new history of the German People (2004). This covers from the Romans to the present in under 400 pages. Eric Schaal -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marleen Van Horne Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:12 AM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Books on german history Germany: 2000 Years Kurt F. Reinhardt 2 volumes originally published in 1950 Marleen Van Horne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The more I read of my ancestors (and yours) leaving to come to America, the more different stories I find. Here are just two. When many of them got as far as the Netherlands, ran out of assets, they then set roots there. They became so successful with their trade knowledge and work ethics that they were taking jobs from the Dutch. After a period of time, the Dutch government subsidized many of them to take the load from their citizens. The Palatines were contracted to cut timber in NE America for the British ships. Call them slaves or whatever. They were paid passage over and probably pittance here until their contracts were up. Many times the British "forgot" the terms of time. Then these people, on their own started treks west through northern NY and PA. Hardships, but they would not give in. Many family members died on the way and were just buried wherever. There are many good books telling of what they suffered through for a new life. We should be more thankful. When people ask why they came here, I tell them to visit the local library and get some books telling about conditions in Europe at the time. The "will to survive" is a great asset. Bill Fehlinger- New Jersey **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)