Hi LC. I found a Robert Winter who emigrated in 1857 with wife Creszentia Winter nee Bruder and child Robert Winter born 1857. The family is from the village of Schwarzach which belongs to the city of Rheinmünster. Today Rheinmünster-Schwarzach. Take a look at www.rheinmuenster.de The former Canadian Air Force Base Soellingen is close by, nowdays it is Baden-Airport. I guess this must be right family. Wow, taking a small baby like that along was really risky. Greetings Erika, Stuttgart/Germany -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von L C Gesendet: Montag, 4. August 2008 18:58 An: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com Betreff: [BW] Robert WINTER immigrated from Baden, Germany I would like to find out more about my 3rd great grandfather, Robert WINTER b. 1826 in Germany.   The census records all state he immigrated from Baden, Germany.  He was married to a Louisa b. Bet. 1836 - 1837 (maiden name unknown) before 1857 as the first child was born by then.  Their first child, also named Robert was b. 1857.  All 3 immigrated to America and show up in Cook Co. Illinois for the 1860, 1870 and 1880 census. If anyone knows of what records I should search or knows about the family, please let me know what to do.  I am quite good at researching in America, but overseas I dont know what I'm doing.  Thanks for any help, LC ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Friends from Rochester , Beaver County, PA USA: This is my first time on this list & hope you can be of some help . We are looking for anything available on the following Family . They are the Ancestors of Herb ORTH , a Friend of mine from Albany , NY . All the info I have is as follows : Alfred ORBACH ,born in Mannheim Germany circa 1860s -1870s . Came to America to Beaumont Texas , married a Frances MYER/ MAYER & returned to Germany , They had 4 children ; Herbert , Born September 30 , 1899 ,Max , Erna , & Meta . Meta married a Francois L. Schwartz & moved to New York . date unknown . Herbert Alfred ORBACH had a Son named Willibald Herbert ORBACH , born January 5 , 1932 in Mannheim. He emigrated to America in April of 1951. That is all I have on him . I hope this is in your area , or that you can give me some guidance on my search . My Wifes family , Theodore MULLER also came to USA but that was in the 1860s & they were from Schleswick/Holstein . Thanks in advance for any help you can offer me & if we can ever be of help in Pennsylvania please let us know . George D Craig Former RAOGK Volunteer Beaver County , PA

I've posted before on these folks, with a different query. My March (Moerz/Mörz) line begins with Carl and Christina [sic] and 3 sons: Carl as oldest, b. 1849. They came on the Redwood, May 17 1854 and are listed as from Bavière, but later in the US I find Wirttenburg, Württemberg, or any number of spellings. They are my gggrandparents. My questions are: Would Carl have been the exact spelling of his name in place of origin? Could it have been Karl? He was born 1817, d. 1884. His wife's name was Christina in some records, but others say something similar to Christiannia. What would have been the German spelling at that time? She was born 1828, d. 1890. Her place of birth is listed as the same. Would either of the daughters have had one of the mother's names? (I know their names) People have helped before on this list, and genealogy work in euros is now pretty expensive, especially if one tries to wire the money. I'm almost despairing of finding the place of origin of these people. Kathleen March

Karl is the German spelling for Carl. Christianna for the wife and yes they could have the same names as their Mother. As far as Baviere, I would say Bavaria. The spelling in those days was not as important as it is now. Don't despair. Genealogy is very difficult when you have nothing to go by. Try your Mörz line in both Bavaria and Württemberg. Good luck. Dan On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Kathleen March < Kathleen_March@umit.maine.edu> wrote: > I've posted before on these folks, with a different query. My March > (Moerz/Mörz) line begins with Carl and Christina [sic] and 3 sons: Carl as > oldest, b. 1849. They came on the Redwood, May 17 1854 and are listed as > from Bavière, but later in the > US I find Wirttenburg, Württemberg, or any number of spellings. They are > my gggrandparents. > > My questions are: > > Would Carl have been the exact spelling of his name in place of origin? > Could it have been Karl? He was born 1817, d. 1884. > > His wife's name was Christina in some records, but others say something > similar to Christiannia. What would have been the German spelling at that > time? She was born 1828, d. 1890. Her place of birth is listed as the > same. Would either of the > daughters have had one of the mother's names? (I know their names) > > People have helped before on this list, and genealogy work in euros is now > pretty expensive, especially if one tries to wire the money. I'm almost > despairing of finding the place of origin of these people. > > Kathleen March > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

LC, For quickest read, skip down to BINGO (maybe). WINTER is currently the 68th most common surname in Germany based on a calculation you can do yourself at geo surname mapping germany It is widely spread including over every county (Kreis) in the modern German province of Baden-Wuerttemberg. I suggest you dig deeper in the U.S. first. If you can find the application for naturalization for Robert WINTER, you may find it tells his birth and/or residence village in Baden. Although naturalization was a federal process, the applications were usually filed in local county offices/courts. I'm sure if you google a bit, you'll find a much fuller (and more accurate) explanation than I could give you of how to search for these papers in the U.S. Other options include obituaries, especially in a local (Chicago or Chicago suburb?) German-language newspaper. And what about church records from where they attended church after arriving here? They might show his town of origin. Another idea is to see were neighbors/relatives came from. Have you found his arrival in the Castle Garden database? This latter record will not show the village of origin but will show who was on the same ship. Maybe a neighbor or relative will show up on the same ship. That's a start. It often takes many tidbits to narrow down your search in the Old Country. All of that said, I decided to check out the Emigration from Southwest Germany database. Some people actually followed all the rules and registered to emigrate. BINGO (maybe). In the database, I found a good (no, a very good) possibility for your family, including home village of Rheinmuenster. For database see Here are the details: Emigrant identification 263882 First name Rob Last name Winter Emigration year 1857 Country of destination Nordamerika Last place of residence Rheinmünster Title ? Comments insgesamt 3 Personen; Continent Nordamerika County nicht zuweisbar Archive Generallandesarchiv Karlsruhe District Schwarzach Emigrant identification 263887 First name Creszentia Last name Winter Emigration year 1857 Country of destination Nordamerika Last place of residence Rheinmünster Second name Bruder Reference Robert (Ehefrau von) Sex w Age at emigration 21 Continent Nordamerika County nicht zuweisbar Archive Generallandesarchiv Karlsruhe District Schwarzach Emigrant identification 263888 First name Robert Last name Winter Emigration year 1857 Country of destination Nordamerika Last place of residence Rheinmünster Reference Robert (Sohn von) Sex m Age at emigration 1 Continent Nordamerika County nicht zuweisbar Archive Generallandesarchiv Karlsruhe District Schwarzach Why do I believe this is a very good candidate for your target search? Based on your information and what I see above, here are the matches: +Emigration year fits with your imigration year. +Surname +Names of both father and son +Birth year of son +Birth year of wife +Husband, wife, and one son traveling together +From Baden +Going to North America In addition to home village/town, I think that wife's maiden name was BRUDER. Don't worry now about her name not being Louisa. Most German children from this time were given two names. Creszentia could have been the second name and her family may have called her this in Germany. But, in Chicago, she may have soon reverted to her first name (Louisa?) because Creszentia was confusing and too hard for Americans to spell. She may have been christened Louisa Creszentia BRUDER or Creszentia Louisa BRUDER. My speculations based on naming/usage patterns, of course. A year later, the follow single woman, daughter of Joseph, emigrated to North America from the same village: Emigrant identification 263889 First name Franziska Last name Winter Emigration year 1858 Country of destination Nordamerika Last place of residence Rheinmünster Reference Josef (Tochter von) Marital status led. Sex w Age at emigration 25 Continent Nordamerika County nicht zuweisbar Archive Generallandesarchiv Karlsruhe District Schwarzach Does she show up in the 1860 Census with Robert's family? If so, she most likely was Robert's sister or cousin. Website for the municipality of Rheinmuenster is http://www.rheinmuenster.de/ There are no filmed records for Rheinmuenster which is a little surprising because Muenster refers to a large church building. However, looking on the map, Rheinmuenster is almost on top of Schwarzach so I would start by looking at its films. It may well be that Schwarzach residents were the very people the Rheinmuenster church was built to serve. The film's contents look like they cover all the villages around Rheinmuenster viz. "The Parish register of Schwarzach and vicinity, Hildmannsfeld, Ulm, Greffern, Moos, Leiberstung, Unzhurst, Stollhofen and Vimbuch" So, I would start with: Title Kirchenbuch, 1613-1889 Authors Katholische Kirche Schwarzach (A. Bühl) (Main Author) Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1830-1889 FHL INTL Film 999043 Look for the birth of Robert junior in 1856 and see the names of his parents. Mother's name might be listed as Creszentia, Louisa, Creszentia Louisa, or Louisa Creszentia. Then look for marriage of the couple and then birth of Creszentia BRUDER. You'll have to order a different film for Robert senior's birth/christenning. Robert senior will also have two given names so his name on the birth and marriage entries might be Josef Robert WINTER or Robert Josef WINTER or one or the other first given names alone. (Note Josef is only an example). So, maybe this is your lucky day. Good luck for the future too, Paul +++++++++++++++++++ From: L C <aeesni@yahoo.com> Reply-To: aeesni@yahoo.com, baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com Subject: [BW] Robert WINTER immigrated from Baden, Germany Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:57:50 -0700 (PDT) I would like to find out more about my 3rd great grandfather, Robert WINTER b. 1826 in Germany.   The census records all state he immigrated from Baden, Germany.  He was married to a Louisa b. Bet. 1836 - 1837 (maiden name unknown) before 1857 as the first child was born by then.  Their first child, also named Robert was b. 1857.  All 3 immigrated to America and show up in Cook Co. Illinois for the 1860, 1870 and 1880 census. If anyone knows of what records I should search or knows about the family, please let me know what to do.  I am quite good at researching in America, but overseas I dont know what I'm doing.  Thanks for any help, LC ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I would like to find out more about my 3rd great grandfather, Robert WINTER b. 1826 in Germany.   The census records all state he immigrated from Baden, Germany.  He was married to a Louisa b. Bet. 1836 - 1837 (maiden name unknown) before 1857 as the first child was born by then.  Their first child, also named Robert was b. 1857.  All 3 immigrated to America and show up in Cook Co. Illinois for the 1860, 1870 and 1880 census. If anyone knows of what records I should search or knows about the family, please let me know what to do.  I am quite good at researching in America, but overseas I dont know what I'm doing.  Thanks for any help, LC

Kent wrote: Is the Swiss Familiennamenbuch available on line or or on FHL microfilm? I have a number of early Württemberg ancestors who were from Switzerland. Me: It seems like I've found it online occasionally in the past but haven't seen it lately--most likely because the publisher with the rights to it makes a good profit on selling it. You can buy it or get a film of it via the FHL/FHC's. The LDS film is from the 1940 edition which should not be a problem considering that most of us are looking for Swiss roots considerably earlier than that. A good explanation about the register of Swiss surnames is found at: http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/famnam-m.htm The webpage above contains the following sentence but when I go to the link I can't find how to access the list. I know I've used this site before and it was no problem. Perhaps the link is old and the online access to the list now suppressed. Sentence mentioned in previous paragraph: "The CD version (citizenships since before 1861) may also be consulted online." The link given with the above sentence is: http://history.swissroots.org/swissroots/en/stories/heritage/Genealogy.html?f=&p=&c[]=Swiss+Family+Name+Handbook&rg=10&jreg=0&m=&action=show&id= A section for the Scheck surname is posted at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sweetpoe/scheck/famil.html gives you a sample of what to expect. Picton Press published an English edition in 3 volumes (over 2,000 pages) for $150. It's out of print but appears still to be available in new and used copies. SWISS SURNAMES: A COMPLETE REGISTER. Commonly known as Familiennamenbuch der Schweiz By: Emil Meier(Other Contributors) ISBN-10: 0897252063 ISBN-13: 9780897252065 Publisher: Picton Press - 1995-01-01 Hardcover | 2112 Pages | List Price: $149.50 (USD) Here is the blurb from the 1995 hard copy (3 Volume 1995 Edition available used for $150 at Amazon.com): These volumes contain every surname now found in Switzerland, a total of 48,500 surnames arranged alphabetically, together with information giving exactly in which Heimat or community the surnames enjoy hereditary rights of citizenship. Roughly half of these surnames were established in Switzerland prior to 1800 (often in the Middle Ages); the other 24,500 surnames have settled in Switzerland since 1800. See: http://www.amazon.com/SWISS-SURNAMES-COMPLETE-REGISTER-Familiennamenbuch/dp/0897252063 You can also get it on CD from Picton and this appears to be the most useful and best value--it's only $45. Here is Picton's explanation: Swiss Surnames CD Add to Cart SKU: 2041 ISBN: Our Price: $45.00 Description: Our printed edition of Swiss Surnames (Familiennamenbuch der Schweiz) has now gone out of print. We have replaced it with a new CD-ROM edition based on the new Familiennamenverzeichnis der schweizer Bürger bis 1861 edited by Hans Minder and Alfred Imhof which was released, in German, in 2002 by the Genealogisch-Heraldische Gesellschaft des Kantons Bern and was made available to Picton Press by GHGB. This new edition simplifies our 1995 edition by eliminating surnames which entered Switzerland after 1861 (the later arrivals are of no interest to American genealogists), and adds data on thousands of families. An important bonus is that we also present the list of surnames by Heimatort, so that once you locate the all-important Heimatort of your ancestors, you can see what other surnames also originated in that Heimatort. This feature will help you greatly in casese where you have narrowed your search to several possible Heimatort, and can cross-reference several other surnames (wives, friends, etc.) to see which specific Heimatort contains all or most of those surnames. This is a must-have CD for all genealogists researching Switzerland. Reference for above is http://www.pictonpress.com/store/show/1077 When I have a single surname to ask about, I usually just ask for a lookup on the Switzerland rootsweb list. Regards, Paul

In a message dated 8/4/2008 3:38:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paulrands@hotmail.com writes: This answer came back from the Switerland list. The Familiennamenbuch is a database mandated by the Swiss government. It requires every Swiss village to take each surname that exists in it today and say when it first appeared in that place by time periods such as before 1800. It's not perfect because a surname that existed in a village/town centuries ago may not still exist in that same village/town today and would therefore not be in the database. But it's a good place to start and often leads one to a good place to look. Paul Is the Swiss Familiennamenbuch available on line or or on FHL microfilm? I have a number of early Württemberg ancestors who were from Switzerland. Thank you Kent **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

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Hi, Thank you so much! It is exactly the right family and takes it back one full generation. And there's a child I did not know about. Truly amazing - thanks much! Cathy Neall (in Michigan)

Ann, This answer came back from the Switerland list. The Familiennamenbuch is a database mandated by the Swiss government. It requires every Swiss village to take each surname that exists in it today and say when it first appeared in that place by time periods such as before 1800. It's not perfect because a surname that existed in a village/town centuries ago may not still exist in that same village/town today and would therefore not be in the database. But it's a good place to start and often leads one to a good place to look. I'm guessing that Kienle is the Swiss equivalent of Kienlin. Li and le is the Swiss German dimunitive equivalent to "lein" in standard German. It could be that "lin" is the same thing in Swabian German. If you don't find the birth of Bartholomaeus Kienlin in Germany, you may want to consider looking in in Wilen bei Wil in the Canton of Thurgau. The FHL has the following microfilm: Title Kirchenbuch, 1632-1875 Authors Katholische Kirche Rickenbach b. Wil (Thurgau) Taufen 1632-1875 Heiraten 1683-1875 Tote 1682-1875 Konfirmationen (Jahre fehlen) 1718-1875 Familienbuch 1856 FHL INTL Film 958967 Rickenbach bei Wil is less than a mile from Wilen bei Wil and could very well be where the Wilen bei Wil villagers attended church. I'm copying Joe Wolfe to see if my assumptions about his answer to us are correct. By the way, thanks for your help, Joe. I think it's very interesting that both of the Endingens had Catholic parishes in the time frame you are asking about and that the Richenbach bei Wil (and presumably also Wilen bei Wil) was a Catholic area. Regards, Paul ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: Joseph E Wolfe <joeedwolfe@juno.com> Reply-To: switzerland@rootsweb.com To: switzerland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SWITZERLAND] KIENLIN surname in Switzerland Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:12:58 -0700 Paul: closest I could find is Kienle mainly in Bern and coming also from Germany Oldest ones in Thgurgau in Wilen bei Wil before 1800 no Kinlin, or Kenlin Joe Wolfe

Are you aware that the Kappel am Rhein family book is online? I think that it is wonderful to find an entire town's genealogy on the web.A word of caution , I have found some mistakes on this site. It does give you a wonderful start. Here is the URL: http://www.ubiqx.org/~crh/kappel/ Ann

Paul, Thank you for your advice and help. I do think that my Endingen was near Balingen. I was not aware of two different Endingens. I found my microfilm numbers on the familysearch site and some records in the Vital records index of Western Europe.. I have the film on permanent loan. I will look at it again on Tuesday to determine if I can more information. I have found that many of my line has lived in Kappel am Rhein, Ringsheim and Endingen and Hechingen They seemed to have traveled between these towns. I would appreciate any help with these lines. Ann

I have the film for Steinenberg, which includes Michelau, on permanent loan at my local FHC and have read the entire roll. I believe this is the family you are looking for: Family Group Record ============================================================================== ============ Husband: Friedrich Majerle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Birth: 7 Oct 1814 Michelau Confirm: 1828 Death: 9 Jul 1869 Occupation: Weber Occupation: Weber and weingartner Marriage: 9 Jul 1844 Steinenberg, Jagstkreis, Germany Father: Georg Adam Majerle (b 9 Dec 1787) Mother: Rosine Haller (b 24 May 1784) ============================================================================== ============ Wife: Rosina Katharina Pregizer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Birth: 19 Nov 1820 Steinenberg, Jagstkreis, Germany Confirm: 1834 Death: 19 Jan 1882 Father: Johannes Pregizer (b 7 Jan 1771) Mother: Anna Margaretha Ehmann (b 30 Jun 1777) ============================================================================== ============ Children ============================================================================== ============ 1 F Katharina Friederike Majerle Birth: 20 Jan 1858 Michelau Confirm: 1872 Death: 23 Jun 1916 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ 2 F Christina Rosina Majerle Birth: 9 Apr 1845 Confirm: 1859 Emigration: Amerika ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ 3 F Karoline Majerle Birth: 5 Aug 1846 Confirm: 1860 Death: 18 Aug 1927 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ 4 M Johann Christian Majerle Birth: 25 Dec 1848 Confirm: 1862 Emigration: Amerika ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ 5 M Johann Georg Majerle Birth: 1 Apr 1851 Confirm: 1865 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ 6 M Johann Gottlob Majerle Birth: 11 Dec 1853 Confirm: 1867 Occupation: Schneider ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ 7 F Rosine Margarethe Majerle Birth: 5 Sep 1856 Death: 31 Aug 1857 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ 8 F Anna Maria Majerle Birth: 22 Nov 1860 Michelau Confirm: 1874 Emigration: Amerika ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ 9 M Johann Friedrich Majerle Birth: 12 Jun 1863 Confirm: 1877 Stuttgart, Neckarkreis, Württemberg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ 10 M Gottfried Heinrich Majerle Birth: 12 Mar 1866 Confirm: 1880 Emigration: Amerika ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ 11 F Luise Wilhelmine Majerle Birth: 1 Mar 1867 Emigration: Amerika ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ 12 M Johann Gotthilf Majerle Birth: 20 Jul 1869 Death: 20 Jul 1869 Let me know if there is anyone else from this area that you are interested in. I find that my Härer family is related to many of the individuals in the Steinenberg area. Regards, Mary Nagel **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

Am researching a family from Michelau, District of Schorndorf, Lutheran Parish of Steinenberg. Parents Frederich (was a weaver) and Rosine Katharine nee Pregziger. Had about nine children, youngest Wilhelmina baptized on 6 March 1867. Her father died before her birth. Several of the children immigrated to America late 19th C. Am waiting for microfilm of parish records from LDS. Would like to know of anybody else researching this family.

Ann, After posting I looked on FamilySearch and noted Kienlin/Kuenlin in the area of Endingen am Kaiserstuhl. I also note now that Kappel am Rhein and Ringsheim are very close (10 and 13 miles) to Endingen am Kaiserstuhl and rather far from Endingen near Balingen. Are you sure you've found the right ancestor? Paul +++++++++++++++++++ From: Ann Francesconi <annf@usa2net.net> Reply-To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: [BW] Kienlin- Endingen near Balingen also Junele, Manz, Dalmann, Bartram, Burckhart, Flueleria and Freytag Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:31:37 -0400 Paul, Thank you for your advice and help. I do think that my Endingen was near Balingen. I was not aware of two different Endingens. I found my microfilm numbers on the familysearch site and some records in the Vital records index of Western Europe.. I have the film on permanent loan. I will look at it again on Tuesday to determine if I can more information. I have found that many of my line has lived in Kappel am Rhein, Ringsheim and Endingen and Hechingen They seemed to have traveled between these towns. I would appreciate any help with these lines. Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann, First, you should always give us a subject line that describes what your post is about. This is for YOU, not us. In the future, YOU are more likely to get responses from people with a common interest if they see the information in the subject line. They are unlikely to open every post to see if it pertains to them, but they will open posts that list their surname or location interests. Now for your question. Which Endingen? There are two in the modern German province of Baden-Wuerttemberg. One Endingen is known today as Endingen am Kaiserstuhl. Although it did not become part of the Grand Duchy of Baden until 1806, we normally see old references to it as being in Baden. It's only a few kilometers from the French borner. To find it in mapquest, enter the full modern name for place. It's website is www.endingen.de Another Endingen is now part of the municipality of Balingen and has been part of Wuerttemberg since 1403. It's website is www.balingen.de Select Stadtteile (parts of the city) to find some information on Endingen. Based on surname mapping of Kienlin in Das Telefonbuch (see http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/en/Default.aspx ) I'd say that the Kienlins came from Endingen near Balingen. It appears that Catholic parish records in both places go back into the late 1500's early 1600's so either should show the birth entry for your Bartholomaeus KIENLIN. If you checked the microfilms and they do not show his birth, then you'll need to dig further. Here are my suggestions: 1. Read his marriage entries to see if they state where he was from. If you need help, scan the entries and ask for help on this list. 2. See what civil records are available on film and look for him there. 3. Consider that he moved to Endingen from another political entity. After the Peace of Westphalia (end of the 30-Years War) the population in SW Germany was down to 50% of what it was 100 years previously. Major and minor aristocratic families as well as religious orders began recruiting people from other areas to move into their domains. Switzerland and Alsace would be likely sources for your ancestor if he didn't arrive from a nearby village. Finding his birth in Switzerland would not be all that unusual because of the resourses available because of Swiss government decrees in the past century. Looking for roots, I see Germany today has about 40 Kienlins listed in the phonebook (one is von Kienlin). Switzerland has three of which two have "von" prefixes. Austria has 1 which is a von. France has only 2, neither a von. Given that there are von Kienlins, there must be a place called Kienlin but I couldnit find it. Googling, I see some von Kienlins associated with Schloss Erolzheim but that appears to be a 20th Century acquisition. Judging from the surname mapping, I would guess that Kienlin came from somewhere near Endingen/Balingen. Let me know what you know and what you've already done and I can suggest other ways to find his origins. Regards, Paul +++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: Ann Francesconi <annf@usa2net.net> Reply-To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Nussbaum, Germany-Kiemle Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:34:00 -0400 Nancy, I am researching the Kienlin surname.The earliest ancestor is Bartholomaeus Kienlin who married three times. The names of his wives are Anna Maria Gerber (married 23 Jan 1667),Elisabetha Flesch married 1 Oct 1690) and Anna Maria Freytag ( married 4 Feb 1698). All marriages were in Endingen. I have no information on the birth of Bartholomaeus Kienlin. Could he be related to Anna Maria? Any help would be appreciated. Ann

I'm forwarding this from the German-Emigrants list since the request relates to this group also and my experience is that this group's background and skills are collectively much stronger than those of the other group. Paul +++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: S-M-Zak@web.de Reply-To: german-emigrants@rootsweb.com To: GERMAN-EMIGRANTS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [German Emigrants] Welcome to the "GERMAN-EMIGRANTS" mailinglist (Digest mode) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:25:28 +0200 Hello All, I'm from Hechingen (Hohenzollern) Baden Wuerttemberg and live there. I'm interesst of people with roots in Hechingen. I'm looking for information, Pictures, Familie Trees, Documents and othe things. I'm want to show what happens with thes emigrants from Hechingen. Thanks. Michael Hechingen

Nancy, I am researching the Kienlin surname.The earliest ancestor is Bartholomaeus Kienlin who married three times. The names of his wives are Anna Maria Gerber (married 23 Jan 1667),Elisabetha Flesch married 1 Oct 1690) and Anna Maria Freytag ( married 4 Feb 1698). All marriages were in Endingen. I have no information on the birth of Bartholomaeus Kienlin. Could he be related to Anna Maria? Any help would be appreciated. Ann nlyons54@comcast.net wrote: > David, > There's only one name that's even close...it's Anna Maria Kienlin, b 27 Feb. 1683. Could it be your "m" is really an "n" ? > > Nancy > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "David Kemle" <kemle@msn.com> > > >> Hi: >> I have Kümlin, Kiemle, Kiemlen, Kiemlin and perhaps other family surname >> spellings in several villages in and around Pforzheim. The most early ones are >> from Weil der Stadt. >> If you see any of these surnames I'd be forever grateful for an email about your >> findings. >> David Kemle >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: JUDYLYNC@ksu.edu >> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [BW] Nussbaum, Germany-Hiller >> >> >> Nancy-- >> >> Do you have any families named Dilz in your OSB? I am particularly >> interested in Johann Nickle Dilz and wife Appolonia. They would have >> been married about 1750. Thanks in advance for looking. >> >> Judy >> >> Quoting nlyons54@comcast.net: >> >> >>> My whole family is from Nussbaum. The Hiller name is listed abt 15 >>> times in my Nussbaum OSB if you need me to look someone up. Let me >>> know! >>> >>> Nancy >>> >>> -------------- Original message -------------- >>> From: darylannsdesk@aol.com >>> >>> >>>> I have been in touch with one person with Hiller ancestors from >>>> >>> Nussbaum. Are >>> >>>> there any other researchers out there with a Nussbaum and/or >>>> >>> Pforzheim >>> >>>> connection? Thanks. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>>> >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com> .com> with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >>> without the >>> >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>> >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com> .com> with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com> .com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message