Wilhelm I am not sure how much help I can provide, but please tell me what you are looking for. You can contact me direct Darlene On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:50 AM, Wilhelm P. Kemendics <w.kemendics@gmx.at>wrote: > HI > > Is there any kind soul out there - that is living near any FHL - and is > willing to check some films for me. I am ready to pay for this work !! > > The present Vienna FHL / Frankfurt distribution center - are one of the > worst combinations that I have run into in my over 30 years of research. > I am not going into details - just came home from another fruitless > attempt to work there - steaming like an old teapot. > > I used to serve in that Vienna FHL some years ago, so I know about all > the rules and problems and so on, and so on, and so on .... ! > > Wilhelm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am beginning to develop information about my ancestor Chr. (Christian or Christoph?) HOFFMANN and his family. He was pastor of the evangelical church in Nussloch, Baden, about 1680. [source: CHRONIK der evangelischen Kirchengemeinde Nussloch]. I'm hoping that some list members may be familiar with records and their locations in Nussloch, Heidelberg, or Karlsruhe. I know that the destruction during the French occupation, and earlier during the 30-years War, is going to make finding 17th century records difficult. I know from the 1706 marriage record of Christian's son Gerhardt (in Wiesloch) that Christian died before 1706. Next week I will order from the Family History Library the microfilm of the ev. Kirche Nussloch which has birth, marriage, death, and communion records starting in 1698 or 1699. I may luck out and find Christian's death record or a few other family records. I also know from the CHRONIK that the church's oldest preserved Kirchenbuecher (birth, marriage, death) are from the 1680s or 1690s. FHL says its microfilm source is manuscripts in the Ev. Landeskirchenarchiv Karlsruhe. The CHRONIK states that the oldest document, about the church building's needing repair, is a letter from 1661 by then Pfarrer Nabholtz that is in the Generallandesarchiv in Karlsruhe. Questions: 1) Are all the church records now in the Landeskirchliches Archiv Karlsruhe? 2) Where am I likely to find civil records? Generallandesarchiv Karlsruhe? Kreisarchiv Rhein-Neckar Kreis? Various Amts in Heidelberg? (Grundbuchamt Heidelberg holds at least some Grundbuecher from Nussloch as of 1 Feb 2008) 3) Any other suggestions for researching the 17th century? Thanks for your help.

Thanks, very interesting. None of my ancestors were involved in a situation like that. Carole in Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Marshall" <pepper-dale@comcast.net> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [BW] What is a morganatic marriage? > > >What is a morganatic marriage? I've never heard of this. > > A marriage between one of royal or noble birth and one of lower rank; > valid but with the understanding that the rank of the inferior > remains unchanged and offspring do not succeed to titles or property > of the superior. > > DEM Michigan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3438 (20080912) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > >

HI Is there any kind soul out there - that is living near any FHL - and is willing to check some films for me. I am ready to pay for this work !! The present Vienna FHL / Frankfurt distribution center - are one of the worst combinations that I have run into in my over 30 years of research. I am not going into details - just came home from another fruitless attempt to work there - steaming like an old teapot. I used to serve in that Vienna FHL some years ago, so I know about all the rules and problems and so on, and so on, and so on .... ! Wilhelm

>What is a morganatic marriage? I've never heard of this. A marriage between one of royal or noble birth and one of lower rank; valid but with the understanding that the rank of the inferior remains unchanged and offspring do not succeed to titles or property of the superior. DEM Michigan

Thank you very much Madi. I will give it a try again. Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: <SaeeIa@aol.com> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [BW] New Searchable Pilot Site at Family Search.com > Hi Carole. > Try opening your adobe program, version 8, and click on help, then upgrade. > Once it opens it should upgrade for you, provided you click the buttons > permitting that. Sometimes links from other sites run much slower than going > direct to the source. Once you have version 9 installed from Adobe, you should be > able to open the search site without a problem. > Feel free to contact me directly if that doesn't work. > > Madi > > > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: Re: [BW] New Searchable Pilot Site at Family Search.com Date: 9/9/2008 > 12:21:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: _clubbers@earthlink.net_ > (mailto:clubbers@earthlink.net) To: _baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com_ > (mailto:baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com) Sent on: > When I try to get on the pilot.familysearch.org website, it tells me I need > to download Adobe 9 (I have Adboe 8), then I click on download and tells me > to close my browser. I after waiting about 15 minutes, nothing happens. > Can somebody clue me in as to what I need to do? Thank you. > Carole in Georgia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3429 (20080909) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > >

Thanks, Eric. Live and learn! Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Schaal" <eschaal1@comcast.net> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Apolonia & Caroline FINK of Weidenstetten, Wurttemberg The term refers to the marriage of a person well below the station of the other partner in the marriage, such as royalty marrying a lowly commoner. Here a servant married to a duke would definitely fit that definition. Eric Schaal -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole Lubbers Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:05 AM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Apolonia & Caroline FINK of Weidenstetten, Wurttemberg What is a morganatic marriage? I've never heard of this. Carole in Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Channie" <christopherames@bigpond.com.au> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:52 AM Subject: [BW] Apolonia & Caroline FINK of Weidenstetten, Wurttemberg Hi everyone, I'm new to this so please bear with me. I am currently researching my great-great-great grandparents and need some help sorting out a family connection. My great-great-great grandmother was Apolonia FINK, born 26 Dec 1807 in Weidenstetten, Wurttemberg. Her parents were Johann FINK (03 Feb 1773 - 21 March 1844) and Apolonia CLAß (18 July 1771 - 01 Dec 1809). She married Johann DUHS (14 Feb 1818 - 29 Aug 1877) in Bad Soden on 05 Feb 1848. Family legend had previously said that Apolonia Fink was in a morganatic marriage to the "Duke Herzog" before marrying Johann Duhs but had become divorced after the Duke's brother died, making him the next in line for a throne. I haven't been able to find any records proving this or a member of the royal family who's details match up. There are some records uncovered in 1985 that suggest Apolonia was a maid in a ducal country house so perhaps the story has been exaggerated over time? After Apolonia Fink died on 24 March 1858, Johann Duhs became involved with a Caroline Fink (b. 23 Oct 1837) . Some family members believed that Caroline was one of Apolonia's two daughters from her marriage to the Duke. There are no records to show that Johann and Caroline ever married. They left for Australia in 1862 aboard the ship "Madras" with three daughters from Apolonia's marriage to Johann. Caroline later married John Wilhelm SCHMIDTCHEN (14 Jan 1837 - 29 Feb 1916) and died in Toowoomba, Queensland on 27 Jan 1908. Caroline's death certificate shows her parents as being Johann FINK and Marie KEPP but I am having trouble finding these people. I have recently discovered that Apolonia Fink may have had a brother named Johann Fink, born 13 Dec 1798. I am hoping someone can help me find evidence that Johann may have been married to a Marie KEPP before his marriage to Rosine ENDRIß (24 Sep 1824 - 12 Feb 1891) at age 54. To throw another spanner in the works, I have just found a Johann Konrad FINK (23 Mar 1733 - 21 May 1816) married to Marie Berta KAPFF. Both died before Caroline was born but do you think Kapff could have be mistaken for Kepp? After Marie Berta died in 1759, Johann Konrad married Ulrike Marie Hedwig KAPFF (who I am assuming her to be Marie's sister), but even she died before 1837. Grandparents perhaps? I still have the missing link to connect them to Caroline if this is so. Please help and apologies for the long message. Chantel Qualischefski No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.18/1658 - Release Date: 9/7/2008 3:30 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3428 (20080909) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3429 (20080909) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Thank you for this explanation! Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Rightmyer" <trightmy@juno.com> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Cc: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Apolonia & Caroline FINK of Weidenstetten, Wurttemberg > From Wikipedia: > A morganatic marriage is a type of marriage which can be contracted in > certain countries, usually between people of unequal social rank, which > prevents the passage of the husband's titles and privileges to the wife > and any children born of the marriage. It is also known as a left-handed > marriage because in the wedding ceremony the groom held his bride's right > hand with his left hand instead of his right.[1] > Generally, this is a marriage between a male of high birth (i.e., from a > royal or reigning house), and a woman of lesser status (a non-royal or > non-reigning house, or a woman with a profession that is traditionally > considered lower-status). Neither the bride nor any children of the > marriage has any claim on the groom's titles, rights, or entailed > property. The children are considered legitimate on other counts and the > prohibition of bigamy applies. > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:05:09 -0400 "Carole Lubbers" > <clubbers@earthlink.net> writes: > > What is a morganatic marriage? I've never heard of this. > > Carole in Georgia > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You don't have to do it on your own. Click here for great parenting help! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3olLqz3Y8ca9dNnA3wsDUzuTIZ isQIMD0xJMkvovw0b4Z0fq/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3429 (20080909) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > >

Hi Carole. Try opening your adobe program, version 8, and click on help, then upgrade. Once it opens it should upgrade for you, provided you click the buttons permitting that. Sometimes links from other sites run much slower than going direct to the source. Once you have version 9 installed from Adobe, you should be able to open the search site without a problem. Feel free to contact me directly if that doesn't work. Madi ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [BW] New Searchable Pilot Site at Family Search.com Date: 9/9/2008 12:21:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: _clubbers@earthlink.net_ (mailto:clubbers@earthlink.net) To: _baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com) Sent on: When I try to get on the pilot.familysearch.org website, it tells me I need to download Adobe 9 (I have Adboe 8), then I click on download and tells me to close my browser. I after waiting about 15 minutes, nothing happens. Can somebody clue me in as to what I need to do? Thank you. Carole in Georgia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

From Wikipedia: A morganatic marriage is a type of marriage which can be contracted in certain countries, usually between people of unequal social rank, which prevents the passage of the husband's titles and privileges to the wife and any children born of the marriage. It is also known as a left-handed marriage because in the wedding ceremony the groom held his bride's right hand with his left hand instead of his right.[1] Generally, this is a marriage between a male of high birth (i.e., from a royal or reigning house), and a woman of lesser status (a non-royal or non-reigning house, or a woman with a profession that is traditionally considered lower-status). Neither the bride nor any children of the marriage has any claim on the groom's titles, rights, or entailed property. The children are considered legitimate on other counts and the prohibition of bigamy applies. On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:05:09 -0400 "Carole Lubbers" <clubbers@earthlink.net> writes: > What is a morganatic marriage? I've never heard of this. > Carole in Georgia > > ____________________________________________________________ You don't have to do it on your own. Click here for great parenting help! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3olLqz3Y8ca9dNnA3wsDUzuTIZisQIMD0xJMkvovw0b4Z0fq/

When I try to get on the pilot.familysearch.org website, it tells me I need to download Adobe 9 (I have Adboe 8), then I click on download and tells me to close my browser. I after waiting about 15 minutes, nothing happens. Can somebody clue me in as to what I need to do? Thank you. Carole in Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Westphal" <robwestphal@sbcglobal.net> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:32 PM Subject: [BW] New Searchable Pilot Site at Family Search.com > Dear BW List Friends, > > There's a new record search "pilot" at the LDS Family Search website. The main pilot page can be found at: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0 > > For Germany searches, click on "View All Databases" -- and locate the appropriate German Records. Or, go directly to the links below: > > For Searchable Germany Baptisms 1700-1900: > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=147 3000 > > For Searchable Germany Marriages 1700-1900: > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=147 3009 > > Keep an eye on this pilot site, as it's expanding constantly. They're also looking for indexing volunteers! Happy hunting! > > Rob Westphal > > Researching: Westphal (S/H), Nommsen (S/H), Reihlen (B/W), Mohr (R/F), Frickenhaus (B/W + NRW), Brueggemayer (B/W), and Bachmayer (B/W) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3362 (20080817) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > >

What is a morganatic marriage? I've never heard of this. Carole in Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Channie" <christopherames@bigpond.com.au> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:52 AM Subject: [BW] Apolonia & Caroline FINK of Weidenstetten, Wurttemberg Hi everyone, I'm new to this so please bear with me. I am currently researching my great-great-great grandparents and need some help sorting out a family connection. My great-great-great grandmother was Apolonia FINK, born 26 Dec 1807 in Weidenstetten, Wurttemberg. Her parents were Johann FINK (03 Feb 1773 - 21 March 1844) and Apolonia CLAß (18 July 1771 - 01 Dec 1809). She married Johann DUHS (14 Feb 1818 - 29 Aug 1877) in Bad Soden on 05 Feb 1848. Family legend had previously said that Apolonia Fink was in a morganatic marriage to the "Duke Herzog" before marrying Johann Duhs but had become divorced after the Duke's brother died, making him the next in line for a throne. I haven't been able to find any records proving this or a member of the royal family who's details match up. There are some records uncovered in 1985 that suggest Apolonia was a maid in a ducal country house so perhaps the story has been exaggerated over time? After Apolonia Fink died on 24 March 1858, Johann Duhs became involved with a Caroline Fink (b. 23 Oct 1837) . Some family members believed that Caroline was one of Apolonia's two daughters from her marriage to the Duke. There are no records to show that Johann and Caroline ever married. They left for Australia in 1862 aboard the ship "Madras" with three daughters from Apolonia's marriage to Johann. Caroline later married John Wilhelm SCHMIDTCHEN (14 Jan 1837 - 29 Feb 1916) and died in Toowoomba, Queensland on 27 Jan 1908. Caroline's death certificate shows her parents as being Johann FINK and Marie KEPP but I am having trouble finding these people. I have recently discovered that Apolonia Fink may have had a brother named Johann Fink, born 13 Dec 1798. I am hoping someone can help me find evidence that Johann may have been married to a Marie KEPP before his marriage to Rosine ENDRIß (24 Sep 1824 - 12 Feb 1891) at age 54. To throw another spanner in the works, I have just found a Johann Konrad FINK (23 Mar 1733 - 21 May 1816) married to Marie Berta KAPFF. Both died before Caroline was born but do you think Kapff could have be mistaken for Kepp? After Marie Berta died in 1759, Johann Konrad married Ulrike Marie Hedwig KAPFF (who I am assuming her to be Marie's sister), but even she died before 1837. Grandparents perhaps? I still have the missing link to connect them to Caroline if this is so. Please help and apologies for the long message. Chantel Qualischefski No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.18/1658 - Release Date: 9/7/2008 3:30 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3428 (20080909) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

The term refers to the marriage of a person well below the station of the other partner in the marriage, such as royalty marrying a lowly commoner. Here a servant married to a duke would definitely fit that definition. Eric Schaal -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole Lubbers Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:05 AM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Apolonia & Caroline FINK of Weidenstetten, Wurttemberg What is a morganatic marriage? I've never heard of this. Carole in Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Channie" <christopherames@bigpond.com.au> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:52 AM Subject: [BW] Apolonia & Caroline FINK of Weidenstetten, Wurttemberg Hi everyone, I'm new to this so please bear with me. I am currently researching my great-great-great grandparents and need some help sorting out a family connection. My great-great-great grandmother was Apolonia FINK, born 26 Dec 1807 in Weidenstetten, Wurttemberg. Her parents were Johann FINK (03 Feb 1773 - 21 March 1844) and Apolonia CLAß (18 July 1771 - 01 Dec 1809). She married Johann DUHS (14 Feb 1818 - 29 Aug 1877) in Bad Soden on 05 Feb 1848. Family legend had previously said that Apolonia Fink was in a morganatic marriage to the "Duke Herzog" before marrying Johann Duhs but had become divorced after the Duke's brother died, making him the next in line for a throne. I haven't been able to find any records proving this or a member of the royal family who's details match up. There are some records uncovered in 1985 that suggest Apolonia was a maid in a ducal country house so perhaps the story has been exaggerated over time? After Apolonia Fink died on 24 March 1858, Johann Duhs became involved with a Caroline Fink (b. 23 Oct 1837) . Some family members believed that Caroline was one of Apolonia's two daughters from her marriage to the Duke. There are no records to show that Johann and Caroline ever married. They left for Australia in 1862 aboard the ship "Madras" with three daughters from Apolonia's marriage to Johann. Caroline later married John Wilhelm SCHMIDTCHEN (14 Jan 1837 - 29 Feb 1916) and died in Toowoomba, Queensland on 27 Jan 1908. Caroline's death certificate shows her parents as being Johann FINK and Marie KEPP but I am having trouble finding these people. I have recently discovered that Apolonia Fink may have had a brother named Johann Fink, born 13 Dec 1798. I am hoping someone can help me find evidence that Johann may have been married to a Marie KEPP before his marriage to Rosine ENDRIß (24 Sep 1824 - 12 Feb 1891) at age 54. To throw another spanner in the works, I have just found a Johann Konrad FINK (23 Mar 1733 - 21 May 1816) married to Marie Berta KAPFF. Both died before Caroline was born but do you think Kapff could have be mistaken for Kepp? After Marie Berta died in 1759, Johann Konrad married Ulrike Marie Hedwig KAPFF (who I am assuming her to be Marie's sister), but even she died before 1837. Grandparents perhaps? I still have the missing link to connect them to Caroline if this is so. Please help and apologies for the long message. Chantel Qualischefski No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.18/1658 - Release Date: 9/7/2008 3:30 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3428 (20080909) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, I’m new to this so please bear with me. I am currently researching my great-great-great grandparents and need some help sorting out a family connection. My great-great-great grandmother was Apolonia FINK, born 26 Dec 1807 in Weidenstetten, Wurttemberg. Her parents were Johann FINK (03 Feb 1773 - 21 March 1844) and Apolonia CLAß (18 July 1771 - 01 Dec 1809). She married Johann DUHS (14 Feb 1818 - 29 Aug 1877) in Bad Soden on 05 Feb 1848. Family legend had previously said that Apolonia Fink was in a morganatic marriage to the “Duke Herzog” before marrying Johann Duhs but had become divorced after the Duke’s brother died, making him the next in line for a throne. I haven’t been able to find any records proving this or a member of the royal family who’s details match up. There are some records uncovered in 1985 that suggest Apolonia was a maid in a ducal country house so perhaps the story has been exaggerated over time? After Apolonia Fink died on 24 March 1858, Johann Duhs became involved with a Caroline Fink (b. 23 Oct 1837) . Some family members believed that Caroline was one of Apolonia’s two daughters from her marriage to the Duke. There are no records to show that Johann and Caroline ever married. They left for Australia in 1862 aboard the ship “Madras” with three daughters from Apolonia’s marriage to Johann. Caroline later married John Wilhelm SCHMIDTCHEN (14 Jan 1837 - 29 Feb 1916) and died in Toowoomba, Queensland on 27 Jan 1908. Caroline’s death certificate shows her parents as being Johann FINK and Marie KEPP but I am having trouble finding these people. I have recently discovered that Apolonia Fink may have had a brother named Johann Fink, born 13 Dec 1798. I am hoping someone can help me find evidence that Johann may have been married to a Marie KEPP before his marriage to Rosine ENDRIß (24 Sep 1824 - 12 Feb 1891) at age 54. To throw another spanner in the works, I have just found a Johann Konrad FINK (23 Mar 1733 - 21 May 1816) married to Marie Berta KAPFF. Both died before Caroline was born but do you think Kapff could have be mistaken for Kepp? After Marie Berta died in 1759, Johann Konrad married Ulrike Marie Hedwig KAPFF (who I am assuming her to be Marie’s sister), but even she died before 1837. Grandparents perhaps? I still have the missing link to connect them to Caroline if this is so. Please help and apologies for the long message. Chantel Qualischefski No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.18/1658 - Release Date: 9/7/2008 3:30 PM

My grandfather and his two brothers were born in Sigmaringen, Germany (State of Hohenzollern) Their birth certificates are being mailed to me by that town as we speak. All three were born after 1875. Will those three birth certificates say the towns/cities/countries where their parents (my ggreat grandparents) were born? Thank you David

Thanks Matthew! -- Matthew Klee <matt.klee@hotmail.com> wrote: Shirley This is what I have found on Christian Gottfried Doll in the Stumpp book: Stumpp - Black Sea Immigration Lists, pp. 204 - 498. . . . . Doll, Christian Gottfr., S. d. Christoph, * 4. 1. 1787, aus Markgroeningen/Ludwigsburg-Wue, 1804, nach Petersburg Matt ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Get the shot you need with a discreet new spy camera. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifQmmaLe7zZItj6P3e45dtWi2kp4gNB3c9b8beEp6cPpnVxq/

Marla- Do you have the URL for the page of translators you mention? Thanks! Tom G. > >I found a page listing German Translators, links on German >translations, and hints, German letter writing guide. >Elke Hall is included on this page with a new email address > >Elke Hall - elkehall@cox.net > > > > >Marla Eaheart Millsap > >Researching Wild, Monnich, Ehrhardt, Barbier, Probe >

-------Original Message------- From: Brian Date: 9/4/08 8:36:33 PM To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com Subject: Fw: HELP ME I CAN'T FIND MY BOCK FAMILY -------Original Message------- From: Brian Date: 9/19/08 1:42:31 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: HELP ME I CAN'T FIND MY BOCK FAMILY Please help me, I can't seem to find my Bock family. This is what I know for sure. I'm as far back as the revolutionary war with a Michael Bock. Michael joined the revolutionary war in Harrison County, Va. Witch is now Harrison County, W.Va. The problem is that I can't find his parents. Michael's war papers say that he moved down the Monongila River with his parents but it never said who his parents were. They moved from Fredricktown, Md. I have found a Bock family that seems to fit into this line but I need to prove it. I found a Leonard Bock that came to the United States in 1731 out of Rotterdam to Pa. And with his he brought his family, a wife and five children. Leonard's wife was a Elizabeth Kiefer and out of his five children the one that I'm interested in is a Hans Michael Bock, Hans was only one or two years old when he came to the United States and the family was always told that the first one here was a Hans Michael Bock at a very early age. If this is him he would have been twenty-eight years old when my Michael Bock from the Revolutionary War was born. I can't seem to find this Hans Michael Bock after he got here. Please help me if you can, or tell me what to do. Thank You Kathy

Here is the link to Bavaria Gen Web's page on German Correspondences and Translations http://www.bavariagen.com/correspondence.html This included Elke Hall's new email address. Marla Millsap