Marilyn, RE: "In the census transcription the "d" was not written in Johann's name." You must be very flexible with spelling of anything prior to about 1900. Prior to that time there was no such thing as "correct" spelling. Names were written the way the scribe thought they heard it. In addition, some letter combinations were regional and may be spelled various ways. One of those is "dt," which may be "d," "t," "tt," or "dt." I have a similar problem with my surname. In the Swabian region (SW Germany) the trailing "d" has almost a "t" sound, and is sometimes spelled Helt or Heldt (although all records I've found back to about 1550 spell it Held). Another is the use of "z" and "tz" in names like Mozart (pronounced "Motzart") and Metzger/Mezger. At 10:27 AM 10/26/2008, you wrote: >From: mbartenslager3735@comcast.net >Subject: Re: [BW] Rosina Seybold Immigration LeHavre to New York > 1853/1854 >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > >Carlisle >Yes that has got to be her. I recheck her birthdate and the 29th is >the right day. I will get a hold of the LDS here and see about get >the record. One more piece of the puzzle. Now if I could find when >her husband Johann Bardtenschlager came. All I know is that he was >living in Lancaster City, Pa in August of 1850 when the census was >taken, in the household of Thomas Holt from Ireland. >In the census transcription the "d" was not written in Johann's name. > >Thanks so much to you and everyone who helped. >Marilyn ____________________________________________________________ Help is here! Click now for simple and easy Financial Advice. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tx37aNduKelxhE7WK4YLvx3DQb2f18ieYCzCoycXLwtEOjy/

Fred, thank you for the explanation. I have noticed that several of Leonhard's sons (born here in America) did that, and it drove me crazy because?I never knew to look for Andrew David, or David Andrew.? Now at least I understand what they were doing. I do have another question maybe you can answer.? The passenger arrival list says their ship arrived in Baltimore on June 13, 1853.? The emigration application documents mentioned Leonhard being approved March 24, 1853.? I've read that the voyage would take about 45 days which means they must've left Bremen around the first of April, which only gave them a week to get from Geislingen an der Steige to Bremen.? Do you know if there was a rail line they might have taken? Or would they have traveled by boat in 1853? Thank you again! Linda -----Original Message----- From: Fred H Held <fhheld@netzero.net> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com; lsmontoya@aol.com Sent: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 5:49 am Subject: Re: Need some help with translation Linda,? ? Others will translate the entry, but I can help with the name issue.? ? In the old German culture they used Christian-rufname-surnames instead of first-middle-surnames as we do in America. The rufname was the name they were commonly known by in the family. The Christian name may or may not appear in official documents, even in later church entries. Then, sometimes a later scribe will add a Christian name (i.e., Johann or Hans), even though the person was not baptized with one. When they came to a region that used first-middle-surnames, many reversed their Christian name and rufname or simply dropped the Christian name. My GGgrandfather, Ggrandfather, and Gaunt all reversed their names: Johann David to David John, Christian Friedrich to Frederick Christian, and Anna Maria to Mary Ann.? ? ? At 02:02 AM 10/26/2008, you wrote:? >From: lsmontoya@aol.com? >Subject: [BW] Need some help with translation? >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com? >? >...? >I also located Jacob Humel, Marx Osterle, and a "Johan" Leonhard >Braun on a ships passenger list from Bremen, arriving in Baltimore >in June 1853. I've never seen my ancestor use the "Johan" with his >name before. Was it common for folks to drop the first name and go >by the middle name?? I'm about 90% sure this must be my ancestor, >since he is traveling with the two men mentioned in his emigration >application, and there is another person listed with him, Andreas >Braun, with a comment that they are brothers. My ancestor also had a >brother Andreas the same age as this guy.? However I have not >located an emigration application for Andreas, nor can I find him in >the census.? There is an Andreas Braun listed on Ancestry under >Bremen Germany Ship Crew Lists, but I do not have the premium >membership so I can't access the document.? >...? >? >Thanks in advance for any help.? >? >Linda? ? ____________________________________________________________? Are you safe? Click for free quote on home security system. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4ueRwz3LOIGIBrIe3B1a9H1vKRud6UioO7ZDvSzA0bjNPhfW/?

Linda, The voyage would have taken 40-45 days, if on a sailing ship, but there were steam powered ships in that time that would take less than half that. From Wikipedia: "The first steamship credited with crossing the Atlantic Ocean between North America and Europe was the American ship SS Savannah, though she was actually a hybrid between a steamship and a sailing ship. The SS Savannah left the port of Savannah, Georgia, on May 22, 1819, arriving in Liverpool, England, on June 20, 1819; her steam engine having been in use for part of the time on 18 days. The first ship to make the transatlantic trip almost entirely under steam power was the Canadian ship SS Royal William in 1831." As far as the train, I don't know for sure in Germany (our German cousins may have the answer), but I know the US had steam trains half way across America by 1852. At 10:27 AM 10/26/2008, you wrote: >From: lsmontoya@aol.com >Subject: Re: [BW] Need some help with translation >To: fhheld@netzero.net, baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > >Fred, thank you for the explanation. I have noticed that several of >Leonhard's sons (born here in America) did that, and it drove me >crazy because?I never knew to look for Andrew David, or David >Andrew.? Now at least I understand what they were doing. > >I do have another question maybe you can answer.? The passenger >arrival list says their ship arrived in Baltimore on June 13, 1853.? >The emigration application documents mentioned Leonhard being >approved March 24, 1853.? I've read that the voyage would take about >45 days which means they must've left Bremen around the first of >April, which only gave them a week to get from Geislingen an der >Steige to Bremen.? Do you know if there was a rail line they might >have taken? Or would they have traveled by boat in 1853? > >Thank you again! >Linda ____________________________________________________________ Click here and choose from thousands of high quality used cars. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vAOwDXsPslmoqjSHbcgEdZsXaUhK9UDKOzIxcNhLDlwrTFK/

Hi Michael, I'm in California also.  Thank you for the translation. The document says Strohlen, Turkheim and Osterle with the umlaut. I wonder what the comment (see there!) means. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Michael Mayer-Kielmann <michael6@cwnet.com> To: Baden Württemberg List <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-L@rootsweb.com>; lsmontoya@aol.com Sent: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 7:13 am Subject: Re: Need some help with translation Hello Linda:    "Er ist der unehelich Sohn des verst. Bauernknechts Johs. Hummel aus Aufhausen Oberamt Geislingen und der Margaretha, Witwe des Caspar Str?hlen, Weber in T?rkheim "Hat imJahr(e) 1848 der Rekrutierungspflicht Gen?ge geleistet" Abreise zus. mit Marx ?sterle (s. dort!) am 26.03.1853".    He is the illegitimate son of the deceased farm hand Joh(annes)s Hummel of Aufhausen, Administrative District Geislingen, and Margaretha, widow of Caspar Str?hlen, weaver in T?rkheim. Has satisfied his recruitment duty in the year 1848. Departure together with Marx ?sterle (see there!) on 3-26-1853.    Unfortunately, the Baden-Württemberg List cannot handle Umlaute. Presumably, it's Straehlen, Tuerkheim and Oesterle.    Greetings from California,    Michael    Searching around Rotenfels, Kreis Rastatt for:  MAYER SCHMOLL HETZEL EISELE LANGENBACH KLUMPP  

Wanda, I have a similar situation in my own family. My GGgrandmother was Christened Christina with no rufname. However, the family has always stated her name was Christina Lydia, until I found her Christening record. I can only assume is she decided to take the name Lydia. The same may be true of your Helena, she may have simply taken the name Wilhemina. How is she listed in the censuses? At 10:27 AM 10/26/2008, you wrote: >From: "DeltaLady" <wanda.ridge@sbcglobal.net> >Subject: Re: [BW] Need some help with translation >To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> > >Fred, I am much interested in the information you posted on the name issue. > >My great grandmother's emigration record, baptismal record, civil registry >books, etc. from Urloffen give her name as Helena Schelli. Passengers >arriving in port of New Orleans record her name as Helena. Family Bible >has her name recorded as Helena. I never saw a middle name written, even in >the documents from the Archives, of which I have many. > >Yet the marriage record in Memphis, Shelby Co., TN reads "Minna Schelli." > >Is there an explanation for this? This has long been a puzzle to me. >Thanks for any help. >Wanda ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uHs7y7T9TtT2Y6jCb5OGq3bu4MfpZzzVM9LygMTEUMZ5IOI/

Hi Linda, I will try: > "Er ist der unehelich Sohn des verst. Bauernknechts Johs. Hummel aus > Aufhausen Oberamt Geislingen und der Margaretha, Witwe des Caspar > Ströhlen, Weber in Türkheim "Hat imJahr(e) 1848 der Rekrutierungspflicht > Genüge geleistet" Abreise zus. mit Marx Österle (s. dort!) am 26.03.1853". He is the illegitime son of the deceased farm labourer Johs. (=Johannes) Hummel from Aufhausen Oberamt Geislingen and Margaretha, widow of Caspar Ströhlen, weaver in Türkheim. He absolved the recruitment duty (of the army) in the year 1848. Departure with Marx Österle (look there) at 26. March 1853. saddler = Sattler makes harness for horses I think that you can be 100 % sure that Johann Leonhard Braun is the same as Johan Braun/Leonhard Braun. Sometimes the using of the first and the middle names was in that years not so strictly than it is today!! Hope this helps you a bit. regards from germany Manuela (Siewert)

Fred, I am much interested in the information you posted on the name issue. My great grandmother's emigration record, baptismal record, civil registry books, etc. from Urloffen give her name as Helena Schelli. Passengers arriving in port of New Orleans record her name as Helena. Family Bible has her name recorded as Helena. I never saw a middle name written, even in the documents from the Archives, of which I have many. Yet the marriage record in Memphis, Shelby Co., TN reads "Minna Schelli." Is there an explanation for this? This has long been a puzzle to me. Thanks for any help. Wanda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred H Held" <fhheld@netzero.net> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com>; <lsmontoya@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [BW] Need some help with translation > Linda, > > Others will translate the entry, but I can help with the name issue. > > In the old German culture they used Christian-rufname-surnames > instead of first-middle-surnames as we do in America. The rufname was > the name they were commonly known by in the family. The Christian > name may or may not appear in official documents, even in later > church entries. Then, sometimes a later scribe will add a Christian > name (i.e., Johann or Hans), even though the person was not baptized > with one. When they came to a region that used > first-middle-surnames, many reversed their Christian name and rufname > or simply dropped the Christian name. My GGgrandfather, Ggrandfather, > and Gaunt all reversed their names: Johann David to David John, > Christian Friedrich to Frederick Christian, and Anna Maria to Mary Ann. > > > > At 02:02 AM 10/26/2008, you wrote: >>From: lsmontoya@aol.com >>Subject: [BW] Need some help with translation >>To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >> >>... >>I also located Jacob Humel, Marx Osterle, and a "Johan" Leonhard >>Braun on a ships passenger list from Bremen, arriving in Baltimore >>in June 1853. I've never seen my ancestor use the "Johan" with his >>name before. Was it common for folks to drop the first name and go >>by the middle name?? I'm about 90% sure this must be my ancestor, >>since he is traveling with the two men mentioned in his emigration >>application, and there is another person listed with him, Andreas >>Braun, with a comment that they are brothers. My ancestor also had a >>brother Andreas the same age as this guy.? However I have not >>located an emigration application for Andreas, nor can I find him in >>the census.? There is an Andreas Braun listed on Ancestry under >>Bremen Germany Ship Crew Lists, but I do not have the premium >>membership so I can't access the document. >>...

Linda, Others will translate the entry, but I can help with the name issue. In the old German culture they used Christian-rufname-surnames instead of first-middle-surnames as we do in America. The rufname was the name they were commonly known by in the family. The Christian name may or may not appear in official documents, even in later church entries. Then, sometimes a later scribe will add a Christian name (i.e., Johann or Hans), even though the person was not baptized with one. When they came to a region that used first-middle-surnames, many reversed their Christian name and rufname or simply dropped the Christian name. My GGgrandfather, Ggrandfather, and Gaunt all reversed their names: Johann David to David John, Christian Friedrich to Frederick Christian, and Anna Maria to Mary Ann. At 02:02 AM 10/26/2008, you wrote: >From: lsmontoya@aol.com >Subject: [BW] Need some help with translation >To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > >... >I also located Jacob Humel, Marx Osterle, and a "Johan" Leonhard >Braun on a ships passenger list from Bremen, arriving in Baltimore >in June 1853. I've never seen my ancestor use the "Johan" with his >name before. Was it common for folks to drop the first name and go >by the middle name?? I'm about 90% sure this must be my ancestor, >since he is traveling with the two men mentioned in his emigration >application, and there is another person listed with him, Andreas >Braun, with a comment that they are brothers. My ancestor also had a >brother Andreas the same age as this guy.? However I have not >located an emigration application for Andreas, nor can I find him in >the census.? There is an Andreas Braun listed on Ancestry under >Bremen Germany Ship Crew Lists, but I do not have the premium >membership so I can't access the document. >... > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Linda ____________________________________________________________ Are you safe? Click for free quote on home security system. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4ueRwz3LOIGIBrIe3B1a9H1vKRud6UioO7ZDvSzA0bjNPhfW/

Hello Linda: "Er ist der unehelich Sohn des verst. Bauernknechts Johs. Hummel aus Aufhausen Oberamt Geislingen und der Margaretha, Witwe des Caspar Str?hlen, Weber in T?rkheim "Hat imJahr(e) 1848 der Rekrutierungspflicht Gen?ge geleistet" Abreise zus. mit Marx ?sterle (s. dort!) am 26.03.1853". He is the illegitimate son of the deceased farm hand Joh(annes)s Hummel of Aufhausen, Administrative District Geislingen, and Margaretha, widow of Caspar Str?hlen, weaver in T?rkheim. Has satisfied his recruitment duty in the year 1848. Departure together with Marx ?sterle (see there!) on 3-26-1853. Unfortunately, the Baden-Württemberg List cannot handle Umlaute. Presumably, it's Straehlen, Tuerkheim and Oesterle. Greetings from California, Michael Searching around Rotenfels, Kreis Rastatt for: MAYER SCHMOLL HETZEL EISELE LANGENBACH KLUMPP

> Hi Marilyn, > there is an online-OFB for Plochingen: > http://www.online-ofb.de/famreport.php?ofb=plochingen&ID=21678&nachname=SEIBOLD&modus=&lang=de > > And here she is: > Rosina Katharina SEIBOLD > * 29.12.1828 in Plochingen > + in Amerika > > Bemerkungen:(notes) > 1860 nach Amerika. > > > Ehegatten (spouses) Kinder (children) > Kein Ehegatte gefunden! > (No spouse found!) Keine Kinder gefunden! > (No children found!) > > Eltern (parents) Geschwister (siblings) > Vater: > (father) Salomon Friedrich SEIBOLD > * 23.11.1774 in Plochingen > + 13.02.1854 in Plochingen > Rosine Friedrike SEIBOLD * 1825 in Plochingen, + 1899 in Plochingen > Johanna Barbara SEIBOLD * 1826 in Plochingen, + 1899 in Plochingen > Lorenz Friedrich SEIBOLD * 1830, + 1832 > Anonymus SEIBOLD * 1833, + 1833 > Salomon Friedrich SEIBOLD * 1834 in Plochingen, + in Amerika > Lorenz Salomon SEIBOLD * 1839, + 1839 > Gottlieb Salomon SEIBOLD * 1839, + 1839 > Johann Jakob SEIBOLD * 1840, + 1842 > > Mutter: > (mother) Christiane Friedrike HUTTENLOCHER > * 23.02.1796 in Plochingen > + 12.11.1862 in Plochingen > > You can type on the links for mother and father and you will go to their > pages in the online-OFB. > with best regards from germany > Manuela (Siewert) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mbartenslager3735@comcast.net> > To: <cherylann402@yahoo.com>; <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 Marilyn > > >>I check on ancestry and it showed in Wuerttemberg Germany Emigration Index >> District: Esslingen >> Name: Rosine Katharine Seybold >> Date of Birth 29 Dec 1828 Birth place Plochingen >> Application Date 1854 Destination Pennsylvania >> No: 577770.00 >> >> 29Dec 1828 is the correct birth date. I think I wrote the 28th by >> mistake. The information above is her. >> Does anyone have an actual access to this and could tell be if there is >> any other information. As I wrote earlir the writing on her truck had >> the >> spelling Seybold. >> Marilyn >>

According to his emigration application, my great-great grandfather, Leonhard Braun was granted permission to travel to America in March 1853 at the age of 17 from Aufhausen, Wuertemberg. Two other emigrants are mentioned in his application paperwork.  One of the people that he traveled with was Jakob Hummel.  I found Jakob Hummel's emigration record on the website www.auswanderer-bw.de/ and it has the following notation under the "comments"  "Er ist der unehelich Sohn des verst. Bauernknechts Johs. Hummel aus Aufhausen Oberamt Geislingen und der Margaretha, Witwe des Caspar Ströhlen, Weber in Türkheim "Hat imJahr(e) 1848 der Rekrutierungspflicht Genüge geleistet" Abreise zus. mit Marx Österle (s. dort!) am 26.03.1853". Can someone translate this for me? I also located Jacob Humel, Marx Osterle, and a "Johan" Leonhard Braun on a ships passenger list from Bremen, arriving in Baltimore in June 1853. I've never seen my ancestor use the "Johan" with his name before. Was it common for folks to drop the first name and go by the middle name?  I'm about 90% sure this must be my ancestor, since he is traveling with the two men mentioned in his emigration application, and there is another person listed with him, Andreas Braun, with a comment that they are brothers. My ancestor also had a brother Andreas the same age as this guy.  However I have not located an emigration application for Andreas, nor can I find him in the census.  There is an Andreas Braun listed on Ancestry under Bremen Germany Ship Crew Lists, but I do not have the premium membership so I can't access the document. Last but not least, what is the occupation of Saddler? Thanks in advance for any help. Linda

Thanks will check it out right now Marilyn -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Manuela Siewert" <siewertmanuela@gmx.de> > > > Hi Marilyn, > > there is an online-OFB for Plochingen: > > > http://www.online-ofb.de/famreport.php?ofb=plochingen&ID=21678&nachname=SEIBOLD& > modus=&lang=de > > > > And here she is: > > Rosina Katharina SEIBOLD > > * 29.12.1828 in Plochingen > > + in Amerika > > > > Bemerkungen:(notes) > > 1860 nach Amerika. > > > > > > Ehegatten (spouses) Kinder (children) > > Kein Ehegatte gefunden! > > (No spouse found!) Keine Kinder gefunden! > > (No children found!) > > > > Eltern (parents) Geschwister (siblings) > > Vater: > > (father) Salomon Friedrich SEIBOLD > > * 23.11.1774 in Plochingen > > + 13.02.1854 in Plochingen > > Rosine Friedrike SEIBOLD * 1825 in Plochingen, + 1899 in Plochingen > > Johanna Barbara SEIBOLD * 1826 in Plochingen, + 1899 in Plochingen > > Lorenz Friedrich SEIBOLD * 1830, + 1832 > > Anonymus SEIBOLD * 1833, + 1833 > > Salomon Friedrich SEIBOLD * 1834 in Plochingen, + in Amerika > > Lorenz Salomon SEIBOLD * 1839, + 1839 > > Gottlieb Salomon SEIBOLD * 1839, + 1839 > > Johann Jakob SEIBOLD * 1840, + 1842 > > > > Mutter: > > (mother) Christiane Friedrike HUTTENLOCHER > > * 23.02.1796 in Plochingen > > + 12.11.1862 in Plochingen > > > > You can type on the links for mother and father and you will go to their > > pages in the online-OFB. > > with best regards from germany > > Manuela (Siewert) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: ; > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 Marilyn > > > > > >>I check on ancestry and it showed in Wuerttemberg Germany Emigration Index > >> District: Esslingen > >> Name: Rosine Katharine Seybold > >> Date of Birth 29 Dec 1828 Birth place Plochingen > >> Application Date 1854 Destination Pennsylvania > >> No: 577770.00 > >> > >> 29Dec 1828 is the correct birth date. I think I wrote the 28th by > >> mistake. The information above is her. > >> Does anyone have an actual access to this and could tell be if there is > >> any other information. As I wrote earlir the writing on her truck had > >> the > >> spelling Seybold. > >> Marilyn > >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I check on ancestry and it showed in Wuerttemberg Germany Emigration Index District: Esslingen Name: Rosine Katharine Seybold Date of Birth 29 Dec 1828 Birth place Plochingen Application Date 1854 Destination Pennsylvania No: 577770.00 29Dec 1828 is the correct birth date. I think I wrote the 28th by mistake. The information above is her. Does anyone have an actual access to this and could tell be if there is any other information. As I wrote earlir the writing on her truck had the spelling Seybold. Marilyn -------------- Original message -------------- From: Lutz Cheryl <cherylann402@yahoo.com> > > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > wrote: > > > From: mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > > Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 > > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > > Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 10:05 AM > > Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband > > gg-grandmother came over from Germany to America. This is > > the information written on the outside of the truck she > > brought with her. > > Rosina Seybold > > Reist uber Havre > > nada. New York > > per. Postdriff > > All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and > > single. She married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, > > Pa. Feb.1855. He came over about 1850. I know she was > > here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was born in > > Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the > > same day his parents were married. > > > > Thanks > > Marilyn Bartenslager > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Carlisle Danzeisen's" > > <1833danzeisen@embarqmail.com> > > > > > Joanne, > > > Below is an entry I located that might help you. Could > > this be your > > > G-Grandfather? > > > > > > Name: J. J. Lang > > > Arrival Date: 3 Jun 1853 > > > Age: 26 (Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827) > > > Gender: Male > > > Port of Departure: Le Havre, France > > > Destination: United States of America > > > Place of Origin: Germany > > > Ethnicity/Race-/Nationality: German > > > Ship Name: "Franchise" > > > Port of Arrival: New York > > > Line: 29 > > > Microfilm Serial: M237 > > > Microfilm Roll: M237_126 > > > List Number: 495 > > > Port Arrival State: New York > > > Port Arrival Country: United States > > > > > > The manifest does not indicate the date that the ship > > "Franchise" departed > > > Le Havre, but it could have been at the end of April > > 1853. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of j paymal > > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:03 AM > > > To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [BW] 1853 ship "Franchise" + > > LeHavre > > > > > > Does anyone know if there was an Emigrant ship named > > Franchise that sailed > > > from LeHavre, France to New York between April 23-29, > > 1853? The entry in my > > > Great Grandfather's Wanderbuch (an > > apprentist's record book) has an entry > > > made by "Le Comunissaire de police Deligue" > > which states something like "Vie > > > pour New York _____ mariner franchise Havre 23 ? April > > 1853" This entry is > > > approximate as it is difficult to read. The seal reads > > "Ville Du Havre - > > > Seine ?" > > > > > > Great Grandfather: Johann Jacob Lang from Weiler > > Wurttemberg born Feb 8, > > > 1827 > > > > > > Thanks for any help > > > Joanne Lang Paymal > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes I check castlegarden.org and all the listing are after Feb 1855. Rosina married 28Feb1855 in Lancaster, Pa -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Linda Buras" <lburas@bellsouth.net> > Marilyn, > Have you tried www.castlegarden.org? > Linda > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:06 AM > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 > > Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband gg-grandmother came > over from Germany to America. This is the information written on the > outside of the truck she brought with her. > Rosina Seybold > Reist uber Havre > nada. New York > per. Postdriff > All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and single. She > married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, Pa. Feb.1855. He came over > about 1850. I know she was here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was > born in Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the same day > his parents were married. > > Thanks > Marilyn Bartenslager > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Carlisle Danzeisen's" <1833danzeisen@embarqmail.com> > > > Joanne, > > Below is an entry I located that might help you. Could this be your > > G-Grandfather? > > > > Name: J. J. Lang > > Arrival Date: 3 Jun 1853 > > Age: 26 (Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827) > > Gender: Male > > Port of Departure: Le Havre, France > > Destination: United States of America > > Place of Origin: Germany > > Ethnicity/Race-/Nationality: German > > Ship Name: "Franchise" > > Port of Arrival: New York > > Line: 29 > > Microfilm Serial: M237 > > Microfilm Roll: M237_126 > > List Number: 495 > > Port Arrival State: New York > > Port Arrival Country: United States > > > > The manifest does not indicate the date that the ship "Franchise" departed > > > Le Havre, but it could have been at the end of April 1853. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of j paymal > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:03 AM > > To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BW] 1853 ship "Franchise" + LeHavre > > > > Does anyone know if there was an Emigrant ship named Franchise that sailed > > > from LeHavre, France to New York between April 23-29, 1853? The entry in > my > > Great Grandfather's Wanderbuch (an apprentist's record book) has an entry > > made by "Le Comunissaire de police Deligue" which states something like > "Vie > > pour New York _____ mariner franchise Havre 23 ? April 1853" This entry is > > > approximate as it is difficult to read. The seal reads "Ville Du Havre - > > Seine ?" > > > > Great Grandfather: Johann Jacob Lang from Weiler Wurttemberg born Feb 8, > > 1827 > > > > Thanks for any help > > Joanne Lang Paymal > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carlisle: Her full name was Rosine Kathrine Seibold/Seybold born December 28, 1828, to Solomon Frederick Seibold/Seybold & Christiane Fredrike Huttenlacher. I do not know with she came over with any other family members. She had a brother Frederick who came ove to America in April 1860 and settled in Missouri. Marilyn -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Carlisle Danzeisen's" <1833danzeisen@embarqmail.com> > Marilyn, > The free National Archives on-line archival data base > (http://aad.archives.gov/aad/index.jsp ) lists four Rosina/Rosine Seybold's > under the "Data Files Relating to the Immigration of Germans to the United > States, created, ca. 1977 - 2002, documenting the period 1850 - 1897 - > Collection". > Manifest Identification Number 8424 - age 25; arrival date 06/20/1855 > from Havre; ship name: HELVETIA > Manifest Identification Number 8935 - age 21; arrival date 06/02/1857 > from Bremen; ship name: NEW ORLEANS > Manifest Identification Number 30220 - age 23; arrival date 08/30/1866 > from Havre; ship name: TAMPICO > Manifest Identification Number 40912 - age 20; arrival date 03/26/1889 > from Bremen & Southampton; ship name: EMS > > You may want to check out the National Archives online archival data base > for other spellings of her name. > > Ancestry.com has more Rosina/Rosine Seybold's than this with alternate name > spellings, but without knowing her date of birth and other information (such > as did she come to the US with other family members, where was she from in > Germany, did she have a second/middle name that she may have gone by, etc.), > it becomes harder to help you narrow it down. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:06 AM > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 > > Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband gg-grandmother came > over from Germany to America. This is the information written on the > outside of the truck she brought with her. > Rosina Seybold > Reist uber Havre > nada. New York > per. Postdriff > All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and single. She > married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, Pa. Feb.1855. He came over > about 1850. I know she was here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was > born in Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the same day > his parents were married. > > Thanks > Marilyn Bartenslager > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband gg-grandmother came over from Germany to America. This is the information written on the outside of the truck she brought with her. Rosina Seybold Reist uber Havre nada. New York per. Postdriff All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and single. She married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, Pa. Feb.1855. He came over about 1850. I know she was here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was born in Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the same day his parents were married. Thanks Marilyn Bartenslager -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Carlisle Danzeisen's" <1833danzeisen@embarqmail.com> > Joanne, > Below is an entry I located that might help you. Could this be your > G-Grandfather? > > Name: J. J. Lang > Arrival Date: 3 Jun 1853 > Age: 26 (Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827) > Gender: Male > Port of Departure: Le Havre, France > Destination: United States of America > Place of Origin: Germany > Ethnicity/Race-/Nationality: German > Ship Name: "Franchise" > Port of Arrival: New York > Line: 29 > Microfilm Serial: M237 > Microfilm Roll: M237_126 > List Number: 495 > Port Arrival State: New York > Port Arrival Country: United States > > The manifest does not indicate the date that the ship "Franchise" departed > Le Havre, but it could have been at the end of April 1853. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of j paymal > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:03 AM > To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BW] 1853 ship "Franchise" + LeHavre > > Does anyone know if there was an Emigrant ship named Franchise that sailed > from LeHavre, France to New York between April 23-29, 1853? The entry in my > Great Grandfather's Wanderbuch (an apprentist's record book) has an entry > made by "Le Comunissaire de police Deligue" which states something like "Vie > pour New York _____ mariner franchise Havre 23 ? April 1853" This entry is > approximate as it is difficult to read. The seal reads "Ville Du Havre - > Seine ?" > > Great Grandfather: Johann Jacob Lang from Weiler Wurttemberg born Feb 8, > 1827 > > Thanks for any help > Joanne Lang Paymal > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Marilyn, Bingo --- "The Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index" lists Name: Seibold, Rosine Katharina District: Esslingen Birth Date: 29 Dec 1828 (it is off by one day, but it probably the same person) Birth Place: Plochingen Application Date: 1854 Destination: Pennsylvania It looks like she emigrated in 1854, rather than 1853. Microfilm of this source can be attained for a fee through your LDS Family History Library for you to review. I also located an entry for Name: Seybold, Salomon Friedrich District: Esslingen Birth Date: 5 Mar 1834 Birth Place: Plochingen Application Date: 1864 Destination: Pennsylvania I hope that this helps.... -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mbartenslager3735@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:15 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Rosina Seybold Immigration LeHavre to New York 1853/1854 Carlisle: Her full name was Rosine Kathrine Seibold/Seybold born December 28, 1828, to Solomon Frederick Seibold/Seybold & Christiane Fredrike Huttenlacher. I do not know with she came over with any other family members. She had a brother Frederick who came ove to America in April 1860 and settled in Missouri. Marilyn -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Carlisle Danzeisen's" <1833danzeisen@embarqmail.com> > Marilyn, > The free National Archives on-line archival data base > (http://aad.archives.gov/aad/index.jsp ) lists four Rosina/Rosine Seybold's under the "Data Files Relating to the Immigration of Germans to the United States, created, ca. 1977 - 2002, documenting the period 1850 - 1897 - Collection". Manifest Identification Number 8424 - age 25; arrival date 06/20/1855 from Havre; ship name: HELVETIA Manifest Identification Number 8935 - age 21; arrival date 06/02/1857 from Bremen; ship name: NEW ORLEANS Manifest Identification Number 30220 - age 23; arrival date 08/30/1866 from Havre; ship name: TAMPICO Manifest Identification Number 40912 - age 20; arrival date 03/26/1889 from Bremen & Southampton; ship name: EMS You may want to check out the National Archives online archival data base for other spellings of her name. Ancestry.com has more Rosina/Rosine Seybold's than this with alternate name spellings, but without knowing her date of birth and other information (such as did she come to the US with other family members, where was she from in Germany, did she have a second/middle name that she may have gone by, etc.), it becomes harder to help you narrow it down. > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:06 AM > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 > > Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband gg-grandmother came over from Germany to America. This is the information written on the outside of the truck she brought with her. > Rosina Seybold > Reist uber Havre > nada. New York > per. Postdriff > All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and single. She married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, Pa. Feb.1855. He came over about 1850. I know she was here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was born in Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the same day his parents were married. Thanks Marilyn Bartenslager

Marilyn, The free National Archives on-line archival data base (http://aad.archives.gov/aad/index.jsp ) lists four Rosina/Rosine Seybold's under the "Data Files Relating to the Immigration of Germans to the United States, created, ca. 1977 - 2002, documenting the period 1850 - 1897 - Collection". Manifest Identification Number 8424 - age 25; arrival date 06/20/1855 from Havre; ship name: HELVETIA Manifest Identification Number 8935 - age 21; arrival date 06/02/1857 from Bremen; ship name: NEW ORLEANS Manifest Identification Number 30220 - age 23; arrival date 08/30/1866 from Havre; ship name: TAMPICO Manifest Identification Number 40912 - age 20; arrival date 03/26/1889 from Bremen & Southampton; ship name: EMS You may want to check out the National Archives online archival data base for other spellings of her name. Ancestry.com has more Rosina/Rosine Seybold's than this with alternate name spellings, but without knowing her date of birth and other information (such as did she come to the US with other family members, where was she from in Germany, did she have a second/middle name that she may have gone by, etc.), it becomes harder to help you narrow it down. -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mbartenslager3735@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:06 AM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband gg-grandmother came over from Germany to America. This is the information written on the outside of the truck she brought with her. Rosina Seybold Reist uber Havre nada. New York per. Postdriff All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and single. She married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, Pa. Feb.1855. He came over about 1850. I know she was here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was born in Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the same day his parents were married. Thanks Marilyn Bartenslager

--- On Sat, 10/25/08, mbartenslager3735@comcast.net <mbartenslager3735@comcast.net> wrote: > From: mbartenslager3735@comcast.net <mbartenslager3735@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 10:05 AM > Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband > gg-grandmother came over from Germany to America. This is > the information written on the outside of the truck she > brought with her. > Rosina Seybold > Reist uber Havre > nada. New York > per. Postdriff > All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and > single. She married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, > Pa. Feb.1855. He came over about 1850. I know she was > here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was born in > Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the > same day his parents were married. > > Thanks > Marilyn Bartenslager > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Carlisle Danzeisen's" > <1833danzeisen@embarqmail.com> > > > Joanne, > > Below is an entry I located that might help you. Could > this be your > > G-Grandfather? > > > > Name: J. J. Lang > > Arrival Date: 3 Jun 1853 > > Age: 26 (Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827) > > Gender: Male > > Port of Departure: Le Havre, France > > Destination: United States of America > > Place of Origin: Germany > > Ethnicity/Race-/Nationality: German > > Ship Name: "Franchise" > > Port of Arrival: New York > > Line: 29 > > Microfilm Serial: M237 > > Microfilm Roll: M237_126 > > List Number: 495 > > Port Arrival State: New York > > Port Arrival Country: United States > > > > The manifest does not indicate the date that the ship > "Franchise" departed > > Le Havre, but it could have been at the end of April > 1853. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of j paymal > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:03 AM > > To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BW] 1853 ship "Franchise" + > LeHavre > > > > Does anyone know if there was an Emigrant ship named > Franchise that sailed > > from LeHavre, France to New York between April 23-29, > 1853? The entry in my > > Great Grandfather's Wanderbuch (an > apprentist's record book) has an entry > > made by "Le Comunissaire de police Deligue" > which states something like "Vie > > pour New York _____ mariner franchise Havre 23 ? April > 1853" This entry is > > approximate as it is difficult to read. The seal reads > "Ville Du Havre - > > Seine ?" > > > > Great Grandfather: Johann Jacob Lang from Weiler > Wurttemberg born Feb 8, > > 1827 > > > > Thanks for any help > > Joanne Lang Paymal > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

--- On Sat, 10/25/08, mbartenslager3735@comcast.net <mbartenslager3735@comcast.net> wrote: > From: mbartenslager3735@comcast.net <mbartenslager3735@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 10:05 AM > Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband > gg-grandmother came over from Germany to America. This is > the information written on the outside of the truck she > brought with her. > Rosina Seybold > Reist uber Havre > nada. New York > per. Postdriff > All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and > single. She married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, > Pa. Feb.1855. He came over about 1850. I know she was > here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was born in > Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the > same day his parents were married. > > Thanks > Marilyn Bartenslager > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Carlisle Danzeisen's" > <1833danzeisen@embarqmail.com> > > > Joanne, > > Below is an entry I located that might help you. Could > this be your > > G-Grandfather? > > > > Name: J. J. Lang > > Arrival Date: 3 Jun 1853 > > Age: 26 (Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827) > > Gender: Male > > Port of Departure: Le Havre, France > > Destination: United States of America > > Place of Origin: Germany > > Ethnicity/Race-/Nationality: German > > Ship Name: "Franchise" > > Port of Arrival: New York > > Line: 29 > > Microfilm Serial: M237 > > Microfilm Roll: M237_126 > > List Number: 495 > > Port Arrival State: New York > > Port Arrival Country: United States > > > > The manifest does not indicate the date that the ship > "Franchise" departed > > Le Havre, but it could have been at the end of April > 1853. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of j paymal > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:03 AM > > To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BW] 1853 ship "Franchise" + > LeHavre > > > > Does anyone know if there was an Emigrant ship named > Franchise that sailed > > from LeHavre, France to New York between April 23-29, > 1853? The entry in my > > Great Grandfather's Wanderbuch (an > apprentist's record book) has an entry > > made by "Le Comunissaire de police Deligue" > which states something like "Vie > > pour New York _____ mariner franchise Havre 23 ? April > 1853" This entry is > > approximate as it is difficult to read. The seal reads > "Ville Du Havre - > > Seine ?" > > > > Great Grandfather: Johann Jacob Lang from Weiler > Wurttemberg born Feb 8, > > 1827 > > > > Thanks for any help > > Joanne Lang Paymal > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message