Do you know this page?? http://www.wucherer-wolfgang.de/Reutlingen/Karte_427.htm Maybe your Rosine is part of this Bardtenschlager family. Send an e-mail to genealogie@wucherer-wolfgang.de. Manuela ----- Original Message ----- From: <mbartenslager3735@comcast.net> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Johann Bardtenschlager Immigration to PA > Carlisle > This is what I have on Johann Bardtenschlager > Birth Name: Joachim Bardtenschlager > Born15Jun1826 Reutlingen, Germany Died 24 Jan 1903 Rinley, York co., Pa. > Shown on 1850 Census Lancaster City, Lancaster Cty., Pa > John Bartenslager age 24 Occupation Baker Born Germany > South west Ward Lancaster City. > Married Rosine Katharine Seybold 24 Feb 1855 Lancaster City, Lancaster > Cty., Pa > > Hope this is the information needed. > I have sent a note to Lancaster County too. > Marilyn > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Carlisle Danzeisen's" <1833danzeisen@embarqmail.com> > >> Hi Marilyn, >> For anyone to assist you, more information about Johann Bardtenschlager >> would be necessary. Things that would be needed are things such as when >> he >> was born or his approximate age at a particular moment of time (such as >> how >> old was he in Aug 1850 when the census was taken), where he was born, >> etc? >> Whatever additional information you can provide about Johann might be >> helpful to someone. >> >> Since it appears that Johann settled in Lancaster County, PA, have you >> contacted the Lancaster County Historical Society >> (www.lancasterhistory.org)? I just checked their web site for >> Bartenschlager and they have a book >> Title: Bartenschlager family. >> Notes: Family files are created for Lancaster County families. They may >> contain correspondence about a family, short genealogies and charts, >> photocopies of inventories and accounts, letters, etc. The size of any >> particular family file varies greatly. >> Subject(s): Bartenschlager family. >> >> You may find what you are looking for (plus much more) there. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> mbartenslager3735@comcast.net >> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:23 AM >> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BW] Rosina Seybold Immigration LeHavre to New York >> 1853/1854 >> >> Carlisle >> Yes that has got to be her. I recheck her birthdate and the 29th is the >> right day. I will get a hold of the LDS here and see about get the >> record. >> One more piece of the puzzle. Now if I could find when her husband Johann >> Bardtenschlager came. All I know is that he was living in Lancaster City, >> Pa in August of 1850 when the census was taken, in the household of >> Thomas >> Holt from Ireland. >> In the census transcription the "d" was not written in Johann's name. >> >> Thanks so much to you and everyone who helped. >> Marilyn >> -----Original Message----- >> From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> mbartenslager3735@comcast.net >> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:15 PM >> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BW] Rosina Seybold Immigration LeHavre to New York >> 1853/1854 >> >> Carlisle: >> Her full name was Rosine Kathrine Seibold/Seybold born December 28, 1828, >> to >> Solomon Frederick Seibold/Seybold & Christiane Fredrike Huttenlacher. >> I do not know with she came over with any other family members. She had a >> brother Frederick who came ove to America in April 1860 and settled in >> Missouri. >> >> Marilyn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> mbartenslager3735@comcast.net >> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:06 AM >> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 >> >> Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband gg-grandmother >> came >> over from Germany to America. This is the information written on the >> outside >> of the truck she brought with her. >> Rosina Seybold >> Reist uber Havre >> nada. New York >> per. Postdriff >> All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and single. She >> married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, Pa. Feb.1855. He came over >> about 1850. I know she was here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was >> born >> >> in Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the same day his >> parents were married. >> >> Thanks >> Marilyn Bartenslager >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul ! Thank you for the above information - this site is always changing :-) Even I do work on it as in indexing volunteer, most of the time I get online something has changed. I have one question that I can not figure out for myself. The box labelled "Place" seems to have certain preferences that are in the dark to me. I have been trying to "refine" some searches by parishes where I know that records are online (IGI). Most the time some text pops up whichen I start typing my own. Then I get the answer that there are no records from that area - but without typing anything into that field, I get resaults. ????????? Wilhelm Paul Rands schrieb: > Try looking for marriages in B-W and elsewhere in Germany at the following > pilot search page by LDS FamilySearch. > > Go to www.FamilySearch.com > > Select the words "See new prototype for searching millions of new records" > > Wait a minute or two for the site to download onto your PC. > > Select "View all collections" > > Select "German baptisms 1700-1900" or "German marriages 1700-1900" > > The data is not new nor is it complete, just searchable in a new way. > However, there are NEW free databases on this page. For example, the 1850 > U.S. Federal Census which previously you had to have a membership in > Ancestry to view. This index is NOT the Ancestry index but a new one > indexed by volunteers via FamilySearchIndexing.org. Other databases will be > added as the indexing is complete. > > Bookmark it and use it. Also, consider volunteering to index so we'll more > indexes sooner. There are German indexing projects, BTW. > > Regards, > > Paul > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

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I am checking to see if there was anyother emails sent concerning Johann Bardtenschlager. I recieved the one from Carlisle and thought there was others. After sending answer to the site all my other emails disappeared before I got to read them. If there were any please re-send. Sorry for the mix up. Marilyn

Carlisle This is what I have on Johann Bardtenschlager Birth Name: Joachim Bardtenschlager Born15Jun1826 Reutlingen, Germany Died 24 Jan 1903 Rinley, York co., Pa. Shown on 1850 Census Lancaster City, Lancaster Cty., Pa John Bartenslager age 24 Occupation Baker Born Germany South west Ward Lancaster City. Married Rosine Katharine Seybold 24 Feb 1855 Lancaster City, Lancaster Cty., Pa Hope this is the information needed. I have sent a note to Lancaster County too. Marilyn -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Carlisle Danzeisen's" <1833danzeisen@embarqmail.com> > Hi Marilyn, > For anyone to assist you, more information about Johann Bardtenschlager > would be necessary. Things that would be needed are things such as when he > was born or his approximate age at a particular moment of time (such as how > old was he in Aug 1850 when the census was taken), where he was born, etc? > Whatever additional information you can provide about Johann might be > helpful to someone. > > Since it appears that Johann settled in Lancaster County, PA, have you > contacted the Lancaster County Historical Society > (www.lancasterhistory.org)? I just checked their web site for > Bartenschlager and they have a book > Title: Bartenschlager family. > Notes: Family files are created for Lancaster County families. They may > contain correspondence about a family, short genealogies and charts, > photocopies of inventories and accounts, letters, etc. The size of any > particular family file varies greatly. > Subject(s): Bartenschlager family. > > You may find what you are looking for (plus much more) there. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:23 AM > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Rosina Seybold Immigration LeHavre to New York 1853/1854 > > Carlisle > Yes that has got to be her. I recheck her birthdate and the 29th is the > right day. I will get a hold of the LDS here and see about get the record. > One more piece of the puzzle. Now if I could find when her husband Johann > Bardtenschlager came. All I know is that he was living in Lancaster City, > Pa in August of 1850 when the census was taken, in the household of Thomas > Holt from Ireland. > In the census transcription the "d" was not written in Johann's name. > > Thanks so much to you and everyone who helped. > Marilyn > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:15 PM > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Rosina Seybold Immigration LeHavre to New York 1853/1854 > > Carlisle: > Her full name was Rosine Kathrine Seibold/Seybold born December 28, 1828, to > Solomon Frederick Seibold/Seybold & Christiane Fredrike Huttenlacher. > I do not know with she came over with any other family members. She had a > brother Frederick who came ove to America in April 1860 and settled in > Missouri. > > Marilyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:06 AM > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 > > Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband gg-grandmother came > over from Germany to America. This is the information written on the outside > of the truck she brought with her. > Rosina Seybold > Reist uber Havre > nada. New York > per. Postdriff > All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and single. She > married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, Pa. Feb.1855. He came over > about 1850. I know she was here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was born > > in Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the same day his > parents were married. > > Thanks > Marilyn Bartenslager > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This will look and sound somewhat strange, but in order to find an approximate pronunciation, do the following: Stand in front of a mirror and then watch yourself form the letter "O". Your lips are only slightly extended and round. If you want to make the "Oe" sound, extend your lips fully and the "O" sound automatically becomes the "Oe" sound as the lips are slightly flatter and produce a higher pitched sound. Most definitely, it is not pronounced as "Westerly" in Germany, but I can see how that would evolve once it had been unsuccessfully attempted on numerous occasions. Give it a shot. Regards, Don **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

Hi Carlisle: I didn't know there was a book. but when I first started my research a cousin had sent me a copies of pages of an old diary written by Rosina Bardtenschlager about the birth of her children. I was told it was given to him but wasn't sure where it had come from. I will be contacting thme right away. Thanks Marilyn -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Carlisle Danzeisen's" <1833danzeisen@embarqmail.com> > Hi Marilyn, > For anyone to assist you, more information about Johann Bardtenschlager > would be necessary. Things that would be needed are things such as when he > was born or his approximate age at a particular moment of time (such as how > old was he in Aug 1850 when the census was taken), where he was born, etc? > Whatever additional information you can provide about Johann might be > helpful to someone. > > Since it appears that Johann settled in Lancaster County, PA, have you > contacted the Lancaster County Historical Society > (www.lancasterhistory.org)? I just checked their web site for > Bartenschlager and they have a book > Title: Bartenschlager family. > Notes: Family files are created for Lancaster County families. They may > contain correspondence about a family, short genealogies and charts, > photocopies of inventories and accounts, letters, etc. The size of any > particular family file varies greatly. > Subject(s): Bartenschlager family. > > You may find what you are looking for (plus much more) there. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:23 AM > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Rosina Seybold Immigration LeHavre to New York 1853/1854 > > Carlisle > Yes that has got to be her. I recheck her birthdate and the 29th is the > right day. I will get a hold of the LDS here and see about get the record. > One more piece of the puzzle. Now if I could find when her husband Johann > Bardtenschlager came. All I know is that he was living in Lancaster City, > Pa in August of 1850 when the census was taken, in the household of Thomas > Holt from Ireland. > In the census transcription the "d" was not written in Johann's name. > > Thanks so much to you and everyone who helped. > Marilyn > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:15 PM > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Rosina Seybold Immigration LeHavre to New York 1853/1854 > > Carlisle: > Her full name was Rosine Kathrine Seibold/Seybold born December 28, 1828, to > Solomon Frederick Seibold/Seybold & Christiane Fredrike Huttenlacher. > I do not know with she came over with any other family members. She had a > brother Frederick who came ove to America in April 1860 and settled in > Missouri. > > Marilyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:06 AM > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 > > Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband gg-grandmother came > over from Germany to America. This is the information written on the outside > of the truck she brought with her. > Rosina Seybold > Reist uber Havre > nada. New York > per. Postdriff > All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and single. She > married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, Pa. Feb.1855. He came over > about 1850. I know she was here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was born > > in Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the same day his > parents were married. > > Thanks > Marilyn Bartenslager > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try looking for marriages in B-W and elsewhere in Germany at the following pilot search page by LDS FamilySearch. Go to www.FamilySearch.com Select the words "See new prototype for searching millions of new records" Wait a minute or two for the site to download onto your PC. Select "View all collections" Select "German baptisms 1700-1900" or "German marriages 1700-1900" The data is not new nor is it complete, just searchable in a new way. However, there are NEW free databases on this page. For example, the 1850 U.S. Federal Census which previously you had to have a membership in Ancestry to view. This index is NOT the Ancestry index but a new one indexed by volunteers via FamilySearchIndexing.org. Other databases will be added as the indexing is complete. Bookmark it and use it. Also, consider volunteering to index so we'll more indexes sooner. There are German indexing projects, BTW. Regards, Paul

Dear Linda: The simplest answer is to add an "e" after the vowel with the umlaut. Osterle would become Oesterly, and I think that it would be pronounced as you suggested, Westerly. In a message dated 10/26/2008 7:27:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lsmontoya@aol.com writes: Thanks for all of the helpful information on the bark Blucher and the rail maps.? The internet is just an amazing tool! Every little bit I find about my ancestor makes me want to find out more and more about what his life was like. If Blucher has an unlaut over the u, how would it it be pronounced? Going back to the men who accompanied him, how would I pronounce Marx Osterle (with an umlaut over the O). I'm thinking it would be similar to Westerly? Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

Thanks for all of the helpful information on the bark Blucher and the rail maps.? The internet is just an amazing tool! Every little bit I find about my ancestor makes me want to find out more and more about what his life was like. If Blucher has an unlaut over the u, how would it it be pronounced? Going back to the men who accompanied him, how would I pronounce Marx Osterle (with an umlaut over the O). I'm thinking it would be similar to Westerly? Linda

Kent, thank you for the link to the map site, what an amazing thing to watch it progress through the years! Linda This link show the rail routes in Germany and boarder changes 1635- 1885. Yes, you could get from W?rttemberg to Bremen in 1853. Hit escape when you want to stop at a year. Kent Schach _http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/mapsp/mapebga0.htm_ (http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/mapsp/mapebga0.htm)

In reference to your comment: Fred, the passenger list says they arrived on the ship Blucher, and the type of ship is listed as a bark.?I googled the Blucher but I could only find the?steamship Blucher that?was built?after 1900. Sure would like to find a picture of the Bark Blucher! Linda The Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild has some ship images, you might try there. It's online, and a good source for searching out passengers and ships. Madi B. Researching Bader, Wilson, Ramsey, OGuin, Luchsinger, Bradley, Scales, Tarter. ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [BW] Need some help with translation Date: 10/26/2008 12:05:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: _lsmontoya@aol.com_ (mailto:lsmontoya@aol.com) To: _fhheld@netzero.net_ (mailto:fhheld@netzero.net) , _baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com) Sent on: Fred, the passenger list says they arrived on the ship Blucher, and the type of ship is listed as a bark.?I googled the Blucher but I could only find the?steamship Blucher that?was built?after 1900. Sure would like to find a picture of the Bark Blucher! Linda -----Original Message----- From: Fred H Held <fhheld@netzero.net> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com; lsmontoya@aol.com Sent: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 9:26 am Subject: Re: Need some help with translation Linda,? ? The voyage would have taken 40-45 days, if on a sailing ship, but there were steam powered ships in that time that would take less than half that.? ? >From Wikipedia:? "The first steamship credited with crossing the Atlantic Ocean between North America and Europe was the American ship SS Savannah, though she was actually a hybrid between a steamship and a sailing ship. The SS Savannah left the port of Savannah, Georgia, on May 22, 1819, arriving in Liverpool, England, on June 20, 1819; her steam engine having been in use for part of the time on 18 days. The first ship to make the transatlantic trip almost entirely under steam power was the Canadian ship SS Royal William in 1831."? ? As far as the train, I don't know for sure in Germany (our German cousins may have the answer), but I know the US had steam trains half way across America by 1852.? ? At 10:27 AM 10/26/2008, you wrote:? >From: lsmontoya@aol.com? >Subject: Re: [BW] Need some help with translation? >To: fhheld@netzero.net, baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com? >? >Fred, thank you for the explanation. I have noticed that several of >Leonhard's sons (born here in America) did that, and it drove me >crazy because?I never knew to look for Andrew David, or David >Andrew.? Now at least I understand what they were doing.? >? >I do have another question maybe you can answer.? The passenger >arrival list says their ship arrived in Baltimore on June 13, 1853.? >The emigration application documents mentioned Leonhard being >approved March 24, 1853.? I've read that the voyage would take about >45 days which means they must've left Bremen around the first of >April, which only gave them a week to get from Geislingen an der >Steige to Bremen.? Do you know if there was a rail line they might >have taken? Or would they have traveled by boat in 1853?? >? >Thank you again!? >Linda? ? ____________________________________________________________? Click here and choose from thousands of high quality used cars.? http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vAOwDXsPslmoqjSHbcgEdZsX aUhK9UDKOzIxcNhLDlwrTFK/? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211625659x1200715650/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=82&bcd=emailf ooter)

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Linda, It appears you needed to make you Google request a little differently. Try "Bark Blucher." http://www.rieperoots.com/showmedia.php?mediaID=509 This sketch shows a side-wheeler steam ship (SS) bark, which is unlikely. The 8 June 1855 crossing makes no reference to it being a SS. (http://www.immigrantships.net/v7/1800v7/blucher18550608.html) In addition, the trip duration shown is 67 days (2 April to 8 June), which would indicate it is not steam powered. At 01:13 PM 10/26/2008, you wrote: >From: lsmontoya@aol.com >Subject: Re: [BW] Need some help with translation >To: fhheld@netzero.net, baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <8CB05A40012BB85-7F0-33D0@FWM-D04.sysops.aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Fred, the passenger list says they arrived on the ship Blucher, and >the type of ship is listed as a bark.?I googled the Blucher but I >could only find the?steamship Blucher that?was built?after 1900. >Sure would like to find a picture of the Bark Blucher! > >Linda ____________________________________________________________ Click here for a free search to find an interior design school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vGm8IBFBKsIL4aAGaXsTYZdrBAhQ0ieO89T9Ep71bXuOuV2/

Carlisle Yes that has got to be her. I recheck her birthdate and the 29th is the right day. I will get a hold of the LDS here and see about get the record. One more piece of the puzzle. Now if I could find when her husband Johann Bardtenschlager came. All I know is that he was living in Lancaster City, Pa in August of 1850 when the census was taken, in the household of Thomas Holt from Ireland. In the census transcription the "d" was not written in Johann's name. Thanks so much to you and everyone who helped. Marilyn -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Carlisle Danzeisen's" <1833danzeisen@embarqmail.com> > Hello Marilyn, > Bingo --- > > "The Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index" lists > Name: Seibold, Rosine Katharina > District: Esslingen > Birth Date: 29 Dec 1828 (it is off by one day, but it probably the same > person) > Birth Place: Plochingen > Application Date: 1854 > Destination: Pennsylvania > > It looks like she emigrated in 1854, rather than 1853. Microfilm of this > source can be attained for a fee through your LDS Family History Library for > you to review. > > > I also located an entry for > Name: Seybold, Salomon Friedrich > District: Esslingen > Birth Date: 5 Mar 1834 > Birth Place: Plochingen > Application Date: 1864 > Destination: Pennsylvania > > > I hope that this helps.... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:15 PM > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BW] Rosina Seybold Immigration LeHavre to New York 1853/1854 > > Carlisle: > Her full name was Rosine Kathrine Seibold/Seybold born December 28, 1828, > to Solomon Frederick Seibold/Seybold & Christiane Fredrike Huttenlacher. > I do not know with she came over with any other family members. She had > a brother Frederick who came ove to America in April 1860 and settled in > Missouri. > > Marilyn > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Carlisle Danzeisen's" <1833danzeisen@embarqmail.com> > > > Marilyn, > > The free National Archives on-line archival data base > > (http://aad.archives.gov/aad/index.jsp ) lists four Rosina/Rosine > Seybold's under the "Data Files Relating to the Immigration of Germans to > the United States, created, ca. 1977 - 2002, documenting the period 1850 - > 1897 - Collection". > Manifest Identification Number 8424 - age 25; arrival date 06/20/1855 from > Havre; ship name: HELVETIA > Manifest Identification Number 8935 - age 21; arrival date 06/02/1857 from > Bremen; ship name: NEW ORLEANS > Manifest Identification Number 30220 - age 23; arrival date 08/30/1866 from > Havre; ship name: TAMPICO > Manifest Identification Number 40912 - age 20; arrival date 03/26/1889 from > Bremen & Southampton; ship name: EMS > > You may want to check out the National Archives online archival data base > for other spellings of her name. > > Ancestry.com has more Rosina/Rosine Seybold's than this with alternate name > spellings, but without knowing her date of birth and other information (such > as did she come to the US with other family members, where was she from in > Germany, did she have a second/middle name that she may have gone by, etc.), > it becomes harder to help you narrow it down. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > mbartenslager3735@comcast.net > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:06 AM > > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 > > > > Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband gg-grandmother > came over from Germany to America. This is the information written on the > outside of the truck she brought with her. > > Rosina Seybold > > Reist uber Havre > > nada. New York > > per. Postdriff > > All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and single. She > married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, Pa. Feb.1855. He came over > about 1850. I know she was here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was born > in Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the same day his > parents were married. > > Thanks > Marilyn Bartenslager > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Marilyn, For anyone to assist you, more information about Johann Bardtenschlager would be necessary. Things that would be needed are things such as when he was born or his approximate age at a particular moment of time (such as how old was he in Aug 1850 when the census was taken), where he was born, etc? Whatever additional information you can provide about Johann might be helpful to someone. Since it appears that Johann settled in Lancaster County, PA, have you contacted the Lancaster County Historical Society (www.lancasterhistory.org)? I just checked their web site for Bartenschlager and they have a book Title: Bartenschlager family. Notes: Family files are created for Lancaster County families. They may contain correspondence about a family, short genealogies and charts, photocopies of inventories and accounts, letters, etc. The size of any particular family file varies greatly. Subject(s): Bartenschlager family. You may find what you are looking for (plus much more) there. -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mbartenslager3735@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:23 AM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Rosina Seybold Immigration LeHavre to New York 1853/1854 Carlisle Yes that has got to be her. I recheck her birthdate and the 29th is the right day. I will get a hold of the LDS here and see about get the record. One more piece of the puzzle. Now if I could find when her husband Johann Bardtenschlager came. All I know is that he was living in Lancaster City, Pa in August of 1850 when the census was taken, in the household of Thomas Holt from Ireland. In the census transcription the "d" was not written in Johann's name. Thanks so much to you and everyone who helped. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mbartenslager3735@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:15 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Rosina Seybold Immigration LeHavre to New York 1853/1854 Carlisle: Her full name was Rosine Kathrine Seibold/Seybold born December 28, 1828, to Solomon Frederick Seibold/Seybold & Christiane Fredrike Huttenlacher. I do not know with she came over with any other family members. She had a brother Frederick who came ove to America in April 1860 and settled in Missouri. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mbartenslager3735@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:06 AM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Ship from LeHavre to NewYork 1853/54 Trying to locate information on the ship that my husband gg-grandmother came over from Germany to America. This is the information written on the outside of the truck she brought with her. Rosina Seybold Reist uber Havre nada. New York per. Postdriff All I know that it was sometime between 1853 to 1854 and single. She married Johann Bardtenschlager in Lancaster, Pa. Feb.1855. He came over about 1850. I know she was here before Oct 1854 as their oldest son was born in Millersville, Pa. in Oct 1854. His baptism is list as the same day his parents were married. Thanks Marilyn Bartenslager

Fred, the passenger list says they arrived on the ship Blucher, and the type of ship is listed as a bark.?I googled the Blucher but I could only find the?steamship Blucher that?was built?after 1900. Sure would like to find a picture of the Bark Blucher! Linda -----Original Message----- From: Fred H Held <fhheld@netzero.net> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com; lsmontoya@aol.com Sent: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 9:26 am Subject: Re: Need some help with translation Linda,? ? The voyage would have taken 40-45 days, if on a sailing ship, but there were steam powered ships in that time that would take less than half that.? ? >From Wikipedia:? "The first steamship credited with crossing the Atlantic Ocean between North America and Europe was the American ship SS Savannah, though she was actually a hybrid between a steamship and a sailing ship. The SS Savannah left the port of Savannah, Georgia, on May 22, 1819, arriving in Liverpool, England, on June 20, 1819; her steam engine having been in use for part of the time on 18 days. The first ship to make the transatlantic trip almost entirely under steam power was the Canadian ship SS Royal William in 1831."? ? As far as the train, I don't know for sure in Germany (our German cousins may have the answer), but I know the US had steam trains half way across America by 1852.? ? At 10:27 AM 10/26/2008, you wrote:? >From: lsmontoya@aol.com? >Subject: Re: [BW] Need some help with translation? >To: fhheld@netzero.net, baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com? >? >Fred, thank you for the explanation. I have noticed that several of >Leonhard's sons (born here in America) did that, and it drove me >crazy because?I never knew to look for Andrew David, or David >Andrew.? Now at least I understand what they were doing.? >? >I do have another question maybe you can answer.? The passenger >arrival list says their ship arrived in Baltimore on June 13, 1853.? >The emigration application documents mentioned Leonhard being >approved March 24, 1853.? I've read that the voyage would take about >45 days which means they must've left Bremen around the first of >April, which only gave them a week to get from Geislingen an der >Steige to Bremen.? Do you know if there was a rail line they might >have taken? Or would they have traveled by boat in 1853?? >? >Thank you again!? >Linda? ? ____________________________________________________________? Click here and choose from thousands of high quality used cars.? http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4vAOwDXsPslmoqjSHbcgEdZsXaUhK9UDKOzIxcNhLDlwrTFK/?

She's listed as Helena in the 1870 and 1880 census. Unfortunately, I have never been able to find them in the 1860 census. She died in 1887 and there is no printed obituary. I have always wondered if the pronunciation of her name --- having just arrived from Germany less than 2 yrs previously, was misunderstood... Minna for Helena. Wanda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred H Held" <fhheld@netzero.net> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [BW] Need some help with translation > Wanda, > > I have a similar situation in my own family. My GGgrandmother was > Christened Christina with no rufname. However, the family has always > stated her name was Christina Lydia, until I found her Christening > record. I can only assume is she decided to take the name Lydia. The > same may be true of your Helena, she may have simply taken the name > Wilhemina. How is she listed in the censuses? > > > At 10:27 AM 10/26/2008, you wrote: >>From: "DeltaLady" <wanda.ridge@sbcglobal.net> >>Subject: Re: [BW] Need some help with translation >>To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> >> >>Fred, I am much interested in the information you posted on the name >>issue. >> >>My great grandmother's emigration record, baptismal record, civil registry >>books, etc. from Urloffen give her name as Helena Schelli. Passengers >>arriving in port of New Orleans record her name as Helena. Family Bible >>has her name recorded as Helena. I never saw a middle name written, even >>in >>the documents from the Archives, of which I have many. >> >>Yet the marriage record in Memphis, Shelby Co., TN reads "Minna Schelli." >> >>Is there an explanation for this? This has long been a puzzle to me. >>Thanks for any help. >>Wanda > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uHs7y7T9TtT2Y6jCb5OGq3bu4MfpZzzVM9LygMTEUMZ5IOI/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 10/26/2008 11:28:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lsmontoya@aol.com writes: Fred, thank you for the explanation. I have noticed that several of Leonhard's sons (born here in America) did that, and it drove me crazy because?I never knew to look for Andrew David, or David Andrew.? Now at least I understand what they were doing. I do have another question maybe you can answer.? The passenger arrival list says their ship arrived in Baltimore on June 13, 1853.? The emigration application documents mentioned Leonhard being approved March 24, 1853.? I've read that the voyage would take about 45 days which means they must've left Bremen around the first of April, which only gave them a week to get from Geislingen an der Steige to Bremen.? Do you know if there was a rail line they might have taken? Or would they have traveled by boat in 1853? Thank you again! Linda Hi Linda This link show the rail routes in Germany and boarder changes 1635- 1885. Yes, you could get from Württemberg to Bremen in 1853. Hit escape when you want to stop at a year. Kent Schach _http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/mapsp/mapebga0.htm_ (http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/mapsp/mapebga0.htm) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211625659x1200715650/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=82&bcd=emailf ooter)