Judy, There were 3 Schlageters from Zell in the prison at Rastatt during the 1848/1849 Revolution. They were: name Schlageter, Josef name variation residence Zell im Wisental, Schönau, Baden occupation Weber sex m age incarcerated 1848 nationality D remarks: Der Beteiligung am Struveaufstand 1848 beschuldigt, 1849 unbeteiligt (305 / 73: 81). name Schlageter, Sebastian name variation residence Zell im Wisental, Schönau, Baden occupation sex m age incarcerated 1848 nationality D remarks: Teilnehmer des Hochverrats 1848, am 9. November 1848 in Untersuchung (234 / 2058*: 81) name Schlageter, Xaver name variation Schlageder residence Zell im Wisental, Schönau, Baden occupation Müller sex m age incarcerated 1849 nationality D remarks: Am 3. Mai 1849 zum Schriftführer des Kreisvereins der Volksvereine gewählt (236 / 8208*: 101; StAF B 738 / 4 Nr. 39: 64). There is no way I can search these records by individual fields. Prisoners were listed in alphabetic order. To find others from Zell, I would have to look through all 38,000 pages. Marvin Hoerig

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Marvin, I have come up with the possibility that my Mathias Schlageter was from Zell im Wiesental . His BD may be Feb 23, 1825.Are there any listed from that town? Thanks. Judy On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Marvin Hoerig wrote: > > Judy Eggers, > > There were 25 Schlageter/Schlagetter/Sahlageders held in Fort A of the > Rastatt Prison during the 1848/49 Revolution. Unfortunately, they > are from > nearly that many different towns. It would have been nice to find > most from > the same town, giving you a good place to search for your Mathias. > Information on all 25 is very limited - - there are even three that > have no > given names listed. > > > > There is one Mathä Schlageter (male) listed from Lienheim, Waldshut, > Baden > but there is no age given in his record. No occupation listed > either but it > says he was incarcerated in 1848 for "highly treasonous activities". > > > > Is it possible that your Mathias, (who named one of his sons Joseph) > could > have had a brother Joseph or perhaps his father was a Joseph. There > are > three Josef Schlageters listed and again, no ages for any of them. > Do you > have any other given names that I might check for you ? I find that > the > vast majority of the 32,000 prisoners were, (when ages were listed) > in their > 20 so that makes your Mathias a good candidate for a visit to the > stockade. > > > > Nearly all these 25 Schlageters were from small towns fairly close > to a line > between Frieburg and Waldshut. I doubt that this is much help but it > narrows down the search area in Baden. If you like, I can send you > a list > of the towns of residence listed for all these Schlageters. > > > > Marvin Hoerig > > > [BW] Schlageter emigration > J. Eggers Msgene@mac.com

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Thanks, Don, for that paragraph on Lubbers. Very interesting! Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" <dwats@cox.net> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [BW] SORG, SCHNEIDER and Surname Pronunciation Ja ...... Sorg can mean "try carefully". SorgE means an almost constant state of fear. Before you turn off your computer, it also came from a placename, Sorga, in the states of Sachsen and Thüringen. An early entry is 1314. It was also found in Sachsen-Anhalt and Schlesien. SchneiderS is the genitive form of Schneider, a taylor by trade. LubberS is a genitive form, as well. It probably comes from Liutbert (leetbaret), a "called by name" from early times. "Liutbert, I told you not to play with the bears! Now get in this house before you attract the Celts!" It has an amazing variety of forerunners: Leuprecht, Löbbert, Lübbert, Luppert Lübbe, Lübben, Lübbers, Lübcke, Lüpke, Lupp. A surname might be found as Lippert. In German the letter "a" is pronounced "ah". The letter "b" is "bay". "o" is "oh". "u" is as in glue. Two dots over a, o, u changes the pronunciation, sometimes difficult to duplicate. Open your mouth wide (oval) and pronounce the letter "e" well in the back of your throat to get the idea of the change. The letters "b" and "p" were interchangeable in early German. :-) Don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3774 (20090117) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Just as a follow-up to Roger's comment yesterday on how the 1870 Allegheny County, Pennsylvania census for the 6th Ward looked like it could be Jacob Lerch, Maggie Lerch, Jacob Lerch, Charles Lerch and Retta Snyder, Male age 75, instead of my Sorg family, who we believed were living with wife's father, Better Snyder (Schneider). In a letter from my source, he writes: "Yes, I have assumed that Sorch was the 1870 census taker's error, since the 1870 City of Pittsburgh directory listed him as Jacob Sorg, laborer, living at 44 Sedgewick - which is in the 6th Ward in the city of Allegheny. I am amazed that (Sorch) is a real German name. I have found Pittsburgh census records as Sorg, Sorch, Sorge, Sorgg, Sorogh, Sorgs, Sorigh, Sory and Sorrich." Therefore, still seeking information on Jacob Sorg (Sorch) born 1820 in Baden, Wuerttemberg. Also his wife, Margaretta (Maggie) SNYDER (Schneider?) born abt 1820 in Baden, their son Jacob Sorg (Sorch) born 1847 in Baden and Maggie's father, Better (Betta? Retta?) Snyder (Schneider?) born 1795 in Baden. Best wishes, Sherry Shallenberger samc123@zoominternet.net

Don, I tried the phone link, but didn't have much luck with it. I'll try the passenger lists. Thanks again for recommending that great website. I'm sure I'll be referring back to it quite often. Sherry

Hi Don, Thank you for the explanation and suggestions for the name Sorg. I spent some time on the Datenbanken today where I found a couple possiblities, looking at both Sorg and Sorge. If I'm looking for a Jacob Sorg born 1820 in Wurttemberg, would it be a stretch to e-mail someone who listed a Michael Sorg b 1566 in Stuttgart, Duchy of Wurtenberg? Sherry

Sherry .. you really need a "tree" of persons between him and your personal database. However, "never give up" was our motto when I ran several mailing lists. It can't hurt. You may want to use........ http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm .......to scroll down to the distribution of surnames in Germany. :-) Don

Don, l looked at your website and it is awesome! I have been searching my maiden name Immel for 15+ years and have never been able to locate a meaning for this name. I checked out some of the links on your webpage, but nothing was located. Whenever you have a chance, with your knowledge, do you think you could find information on the name? Carole Lubbers, Marietta, Ga. USA (Lubbers-from Friesland) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Watson" <dwats@cox.net> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [BW] SORG, SCHNEIDER b. Baden, Wuerttemberg > http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm > > .........covers all of Germany. > > :-) > Don > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3773 (20090117) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > >

Ja ...... Sorg can mean "try carefully". SorgE means an almost constant state of fear. Before you turn off your computer, it also came from a placename, Sorga, in the states of Sachsen and Thüringen. An early entry is 1314. It was also found in Sachsen-Anhalt and Schlesien. SchneiderS is the genitive form of Schneider, a taylor by trade. LubberS is a genitive form, as well. It probably comes from Liutbert (leetbaret), a "called by name" from early times. "Liutbert, I told you not to play with the bears! Now get in this house before you attract the Celts!" It has an amazing variety of forerunners: Leuprecht, Löbbert, Lübbert, Luppert Lübbe, Lübben, Lübbers, Lübcke, Lüpke, Lupp. A surname might be found as Lippert. In German the letter "a" is pronounced "ah". The letter "b" is "bay". "o" is "oh". "u" is as in glue. Two dots over a, o, u changes the pronunciation, sometimes difficult to duplicate. Open your mouth wide (oval) and pronounce the letter "e" well in the back of your throat to get the idea of the change. The letters "b" and "p" were interchangeable in early German. :-) Don

I have BEATHALTER in my line. If you're looking for a spelling variation. Keep in mind, our ancestor's surnames were misspelled when departing and/or arriving from/to wherever they were leaving or arriving. Good luck in your search. Beverly Mack Zanon Researching Many Surnames in Baden/Wurttemberg Descendants of Stephan Beathalter 1 BEATHALTER, Stephan b: Abt. 1765 in Langhurst, Schutterwald, Baden, Germany . +KARCHER, Maria Anna b: Abt. 1765 in Langhurst, Schutterwald, Baden, Germany m: Abt. 1784 in Langhurst, Baden, Germany .......... 2 BEATHALTER, Anna Maria b: 04 Jan 1783 in Langhurst, Schutterwald, Baden, Germany d: 23 Oct 1818 .............. +STUDER, Johannes b: May 1781 in Langhurst, Schutterwald, Baden, Germany m: Apr 1805 in Langhurst, Baden, Germany Father: Johannes STUDER Mother: Rosina KARCHER ...................... 3 STUDER, Katharina b: Apr 1807 in Langhurst Schutterwald, Baden, Germany d: 31 Aug 1869 ...................... 3 STUDER, Carolina b: Oct 1809 in Langhurst, Schutterwald, Baden, Germany, Pg 66 ...................... 3 STUDER, Johannes b: 14 Nov 1812 in Langhurst, Schutterwald, Baden, Germany Film #0949959, Page 79, Record #51 d: Bef. 1860 .......................... +HANSMANN, Theresia b: Oct 1809 in Schutterwald, Baden, Germany Film #0949959, Page 65 d: 14 Jun 1862 in Schutterwald, Baden, Germany Notation on Taufen Record Film #0949959, Page 65 Father: George HANSMANN Mother: Ursula JUNKER ...................... 3 STUDER, Franz Haver b: 20 Nov 1815 in Langhurst, Schutterwald, Baden, Germany d: 24 Apr 1817 in Langhurst Schutterwald, Baden, Germany ...................... 3 STUDER, Xaver b: 23 Feb 1818 in Langhurst, Schutterwald, Baden, Germany d: 14 Jun 1887 .......................... +LIPPS, Rosina .......... 2 BEATHALTER, Georgus b: Apr 1785 in Langhurst Schutterwald, Baden, Germany In a message dated 1/17/2009 3:15:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, baden-wurttemberg-request@rootsweb.com writes: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:01:53 -0500 From: GEORGE <greamer@FASTMAIL.FM> Subject: [BW] Beerhalter To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <497111E1.4020606@FASTMAIL.FM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Greetings -- This is my first post to this maillist. I have been working for many years on a line of "Beerhalter" which emmigrated to Philadelphia PA shortly before or around 1850. The names which interest me are Henry (my ancestor) and Henry's brothers, Charles and Moritz. I have naturaltization information on the two latter, but have never been able to get any for Henry. I know that Henry had a daughter born in Philadelphia in 1855, named Sophia, and that Henry married a woman by the name of Margrete Ege. Henry died in Spring Bay, ILL near Peoria in 1859. I know absolutely nothing about the parentage of the three brothers.except that the U.S. census states the brothers were from Wuerttemberg which they list for almost all immigrants. Any help would be appreciated. I have seen the namwe in the 1850 census spelled as Bierhaltre. George Reamer greamer@fastmail.fm

Hi Don, Wow, http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm is a great site. That will keep me busy for a while. Thanks, Sherry

Hi Roger, Thank you for sending me the information from the 1870 census. Yes, it does look like it could be Jacob Lerch, Maggie Lerch, Jacob Lerch, Charles Lerch and Retta Snyder, Male age 75. However, I can see why my friend thought it was our Sorg line, Jacob Sorch, Maggie Sorch sons, Jacob and Charles and possible father-in-law, Better Snyder. The birthdates and places of birth match for our family, with our Charles born in Pennsylvania and his brother, Jacob, born in Baden, but it's definitely a stretch to say it's them. If anyone else cares to take a look and offer their opinion, it's the 1870 census for the 6th Ward, Allegheny County, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, page 13. A comparison of the other enties listed with first names starting with L's and the first names starting with S's might help. Again, Roger, thanks for your help. I'm glad I asked, instead of just taking my friend's word for it. I've been burned more than once that way. I'm sorry, but I really don't have enough information on our Snyders at this point to know if they ever migrated to Minnesota or Montana. Best wishes, Sherry

http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm .........covers all of Germany. :-) Don

My ggg grandfather, Jacob SORG, was born abt 1820 in Baden, Wuerttemberg. His wife, Margaretta SCHNEIDER (SNYDER) was also from Baden. After immigrating to the U.S.(sometime before 1856), they settled in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. I'm told in the 6th Ward, Allegheny County, Pittsburgh 1870 census, Jacob and Margaretta SORG are living with Better SNYDER, age 75, also born in Baden. The informant believes Better SNYDER was "probably" the father of Margaretta. I would love to learn more about this family and also obtain a copy of the above census, if sks has the time to look it up for me. I've been doing research in the U.S. for over 30 years, and have been on several England lists for the past 5 years, but this is my first posting on the German lists. I did manage to pick up some maps for Baden while on a tour of Germany back in 2001, so I do realize what a big area I'm searching. Any help getting started would be greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Sherry Shallenberger (from a very snowy and bitterly cold Pennsylvania) samc123@zoominternet.net

George, There is a BEERHALTER listed in the LDS IGI Files at FamilySearch that seems to fit your family. I suggest you visit your local LDS Family History Center and rent the referenced microfilm ( #0896162) to find what village the family is from. ====================== IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 MORIZ BEERHALTER Pedigree Birth: 12 MAR 1825 Father: PATRIZ BEERHALTER Mother: MARIA ANNA RINGER Spouse: MARIA ANNA HUMMEL Marriage: 01 FEB 1859 Sankt Leonhard Katholisch, Kottspiel, Jagstkreis, Wuerttemberg Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. Batch No.: M956811 1858 - 1885 0896162 ====================== At 02:02 AM 1/17/2009, you wrote: >From: GEORGE <greamer@FASTMAIL.FM> >Subject: [BW] Beerhalter >To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com > >Greetings -- This is my first post to this maillist. I have been >working for many years on a line of "Beerhalter" which emmigrated to >Philadelphia PA shortly before or around 1850. The names which interest >me are Henry (my ancestor) and Henry's brothers, Charles and Moritz. I >have naturaltization information on the two latter, but have never been >able to get any for Henry. I know that Henry had a daughter born in >Philadelphia in 1855, named Sophia, and that Henry married a woman by >the name of Margrete Ege. Henry died in Spring Bay, ILL near Peoria in >1859. > >I know absolutely nothing about the parentage of the three >brothers.except that the U.S. census states the brothers were from >Wuerttemberg which they list for almost all immigrants. Any help would >be appreciated. I have seen the namwe in the 1850 census spelled as >Bierhaltre. > >George Reamer greamer@fastmail.fm ____________________________________________________________ Click here to get you high school diploma (GED) in days http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8RviHwa8nhZoY1bAN1HSZbvi8XEodELWwI2BWCSpIjtNUpO/

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