Rebecca, For years we were told that my family came from Stuttgart. After many years (and much research) it was found that they were really from a village about 15 miles away. (Note: There are over 500 villages within 15 miles of Stuttgart.) A single woman of that age should have applied for and received emigration papers (required by the Kingdom of Würtemberg). If she did, there would be a record in the Würtemberg Emigration Index, by Trudy Schenk and Ruth Froelke. These data are also digitized and on Ancestry.com ($). These data give the home village of the appliers. The Emigration from Southwest-Germany (Auswanderung aus Südwestdeutschland) database shows only one Bertha RUSS/RUß, however she emigrated in 1857 and she was from Ulm. There are 2 Berta RUSS/RUESSs in the LDS IGI Files at FamilySearch born in years 1872+/-2. Both are baptized in Stuttgart, but both are the children of David RUSS and Marie BREINING. (And since a death date is listed for the later, aparrently both died.) BTW, the 1900 US census states your Bertha was born May 1871. The 1900 census also shows the immigration year, but it is on the last line on the page and is unreadable (it looks like it might be 1892). The 1910 census states she immigrated in 1885 (also states her middle initial is "L"). The 1920 census states she immigrated in 1886 and was naturalized in 1894 (naturalization records should be available in Scranton, application should give home village). At 02:03 AM 2/11/2009, you wrote: >From: Rebecca Olenchak <niamh343@earthlink.net> >Subject: [BW] Russ family of Stuttgart, 19th century >To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com > >Hello, > >I am researching the family of my great-grandmother, Bertha Russ >Fukan, Her father was named William (I presume Wilhelm) Russ and my >grandmother told me she was from Stuttgart. According to her 1949 >Scranton, PA death certificate, Bertha was born in 1872 and I have >passenger manifests of 14 year old Bertha Russ, from Stuttgart, coming >to the USA in 1885 as well as 20 year old Bertha Russ of W?rttemberg >arriving in the US in 1890. I believe either of these young ladies >could be my great-grandmother. > >I would be truly grateful for any information at all that anyone might >be able to give me on Wilhelm and Bertha Russ. Many thanks for your >time! > >Best regards, > >Rebecca Olenchak ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8cgl9hsk6OMs6kGM7HZhTuvypZ9z7mEVcqk24Hm9lOAcNve/

Hello Rebecca, maybe you should ask in the Stadtarchiv of Stuttgart. They have an e-mail-adress: Stadtarchiv Silberburgstrasse 191 70178 Stuttgart Deutschland phone: (0711) 216-6327 fax: (0711) 216-4456 e-mail: poststelle.stadtarchiv@stuttgart.de http://www.stuttgart.de/stadtarchiv You also have looked in http://www.auswanderer-bw.de/auswanderer/index.php?sprache=en&suche=1 regards from germany Manuela (Siewert)

<< From: ToySchach@aol.com Subject: Re: [BW] Russ family of Stuttgart, 19th century Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:06:10 EST Yes you can write in English. No do not send a self-addressed envelope and an international reply coupon. Since you know her father name you can ask for a copy of the page from the Family Book showing 3 gererations of Bertha family. They are allowed to do this only for a direct ancester that is why you must say she is your great-grandmother. Keep the letter short. Kent In a message dated 2/10/2009 4:00:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, niamh343@earthlink.net writes: In a message dated 2/10/2009 11:44:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, niamh343@earthlink.net writes: >> Thanks very much, Kent, you have been a great help to me here! Best regards, Rebecca

<<From: "Manuela Siewert" <siewertmanuela@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [BW] [english 94%] Re: Russ family of Stuttgart, 19th century Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:36:08 +0100 References: <06AC9DD2-01DC-490E-8A0B-A75DF48B1F0B@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <06AC9DD2-01DC-490E-8A0B-A75DF48B1F0B@earthlink.net> Hello Rebecca, maybe you should ask in the Stadtarchiv of Stuttgart. They have an e-mail-adress: Stadtarchiv Silberburgstrasse 191 70178 Stuttgart Deutschland phone: (0711) 216-6327 fax: (0711) 216-4456 e-mail: poststelle.stadtarchiv@stuttgart.de http://www.stuttgart.de/stadtarchiv You also have looked in http://www.auswanderer-bw.de/auswanderer/index.php?sprache=en&suche=1 regards from germany Manuela (Siewert)>> Many thanks, Manuela! I really appreciate your posting this info! Best regards, Rebecca

Yes you can write in English. No do not send a self-addressed envelope and an international reply coupon. Since you know her father name you can ask for a copy of the page from the Family Book showing 3 gererations of Bertha family. They are allowed to do this only for a direct ancester that is why you must say she is your great-grandmother. Keep the letter short. Kent In a message dated 2/10/2009 4:00:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, niamh343@earthlink.net writes: In a message dated 2/10/2009 11:44:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, niamh343@earthlink.net writes: Hello, I am researching the family of my great-grandmother, Bertha Russ Fukan, Her father was named William (I presume Wilhelm) Russ and my grandmother told me she was from Stuttgart. According to her 1949 Scranton, PA death certificate, Bertha was born in 1872 and I have passenger manifests of 14 year old Bertha Russ, from Stuttgart, coming to the USA in 1885 as well as 20 year old Bertha Russ of Württemberg arriving in the US in 1890. I believe either of these young ladies could be my great-grandmother. I would be truly grateful for any information at all that anyone might be able to give me on Wilhelm and Bertha Russ. Many thanks for your time! Best regards, Rebecca Olenchak Since Bertha Russ was born after 1871 her birth records should be available from the Stuttgart City records. The cost is about $10 which you pay after receiving the records base on what I paid a few years ago. State that she is your great-grandmother and try to give the month and year of birth. There address was Landeshauptstadt Stuttgart Standesamt D-70161 Stuttgart Germany Kent Schach >> Many thanks, Kent! I don't speak, read or write German; will they accept requests in English? Also, did you include a self-addressed envelope and an international reply coupon with your request? Thank you again! Rebecca **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002)

<< From: ToySchach@aol.com Subject: Re: [BW] Russ family of Stuttgart, 19th century Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:15:46 EST In a message dated 2/10/2009 11:44:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, niamh343@earthlink.net writes: Hello, I am researching the family of my great-grandmother, Bertha Russ Fukan, Her father was named William (I presume Wilhelm) Russ and my grandmother told me she was from Stuttgart. According to her 1949 Scranton, PA death certificate, Bertha was born in 1872 and I have passenger manifests of 14 year old Bertha Russ, from Stuttgart, coming to the USA in 1885 as well as 20 year old Bertha Russ of Württemberg arriving in the US in 1890. I believe either of these young ladies could be my great-grandmother. I would be truly grateful for any information at all that anyone might be able to give me on Wilhelm and Bertha Russ. Many thanks for your time! Best regards, Rebecca Olenchak Since Bertha Russ was born after 1871 her birth records should be available from the Stuttgart City records. The cost is about $10 which you pay after receiving the records base on what I paid a few years ago. State that she is your great-grandmother and try to give the month and year of birth. There address was Landeshauptstadt Stuttgart Standesamt D-70161 Stuttgart Germany Kent Schach >> Many thanks, Kent! I don't speak, read or write German; will they accept requests in English? Also, did you include a self-addressed envelope and an international reply coupon with your request? Thank you again! Rebecca

In a message dated 2/10/2009 11:44:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, niamh343@earthlink.net writes: Hello, I am researching the family of my great-grandmother, Bertha Russ Fukan, Her father was named William (I presume Wilhelm) Russ and my grandmother told me she was from Stuttgart. According to her 1949 Scranton, PA death certificate, Bertha was born in 1872 and I have passenger manifests of 14 year old Bertha Russ, from Stuttgart, coming to the USA in 1885 as well as 20 year old Bertha Russ of Württemberg arriving in the US in 1890. I believe either of these young ladies could be my great-grandmother. I would be truly grateful for any information at all that anyone might be able to give me on Wilhelm and Bertha Russ. Many thanks for your time! Best regards, Rebecca Olenchak Since Bertha Russ was born after 1871 her birth records should be available from the Stuttgart City records. The cost is about $10 which you pay after receiving the records base on what I paid a few years ago. State that she is your great-grandmother and try to give the month and year of birth. There address was Landeshauptstadt Stuttgart Standesamt D-70161 Stuttgart Germany Kent Schach **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002)

Hello, I am researching the family of my great-grandmother, Bertha Russ Fukan, Her father was named William (I presume Wilhelm) Russ and my grandmother told me she was from Stuttgart. According to her 1949 Scranton, PA death certificate, Bertha was born in 1872 and I have passenger manifests of 14 year old Bertha Russ, from Stuttgart, coming to the USA in 1885 as well as 20 year old Bertha Russ of Württemberg arriving in the US in 1890. I believe either of these young ladies could be my great-grandmother. I would be truly grateful for any information at all that anyone might be able to give me on Wilhelm and Bertha Russ. Many thanks for your time! Best regards, Rebecca Olenchak

I am searching for my ancestors in the area of Mengen and Schallenstadt. 4 brothers emigrated to the usa. My grt-grt-grandparents Henry and Minnie (probably Whilemina) and son Wilhelm Frederich GIESELMAN. They arrived in New York in 1836, the brothers got separated and my family show up in Vanderburgh county, Indiana in 1856 as per marriage liscense of Wilhelm F, and Magtalena Gostley. I would appreciate any clues anyone can provide. Thank you. Rita Broeker Missouri USA

Greetings -- Researching Margrete/Margaret Ege who emigrated to U.S. ca 1840-1855 and married Henry Beerhalter in, I believe, Philadephia. Perhaps she was already married to him at time of emigration. Believe she may have been related to John Ege who is found in Peoria census in 1860. He emigrated in n18465, and I have found him, I believe, on a ship arriving in New York on June 1, m1846. This ship indicates that he came from Dehlingers/ Detingen. It is hard to read the handwriting on the passenger list of the ship, Olof. Any help would be appreciated. George Reamer greamer@fastmail.fm or greamer@optonline.net

Kathi: Thank you, I've been working on my database for 20 years and with the contributions of other researchers, it has grown a bit. I don't have separate databases for different towns, it is all one database. I only input a family if I can find an existing connection to someone already in my database, so it is one very big, complex family tree of everyone living in the Goeppingen area. I have never researched with the Lauffen records, but I do have about 140 people in my database that have Lauffen connections. The easiest way to look at them is to go to my WorldConnect page, scroll down to the bottom and click on "WorldConnect Global Search". In the search screen, put Lauffen in the birth place box. Leave the other boxes blank, and it will bring up everyone born in Lauffen. As you look at names, you can narrow down the results by using the "skip database" box. If you look to the right of the screen, you will see the names of databases. If you decide that you don't have any connections with a certain database, you can copy and paste the name of the database in the "skip database" box (leave a space between each database name). That will narrow down your search. I always put the name of my database in the box because I don't want to look at people in my database. You can also use the "updated within" box to only look at databases updated within a certain time frame. Kathy bonnell -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bigbluedog1@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:48 AM To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com Subject: [BW] Attention: Kathy Bonnell Hi Kathy, As I recall, you did research in the town of Lauffen am Neckar. Am I correct ? If so, have you created databases for this area as well ? I'd be very interested to know. Great job on the Goeppingern area databases. Thanks, Kathi OTT Williams Lauffen am Neckar KRAFT, STEINLE, ALLINGER ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.17/1931 - Release Date: 02/02/09 19:21:00

Hi Kathy, As I recall, you did research in the town of Lauffen am Neckar. Am I correct ? If so, have you created databases for this area as well ? I'd be very interested to know. Great job on the Goeppingern area databases. Thanks, Kathi OTT Williams Lauffen am Neckar KRAFT, STEINLE, ALLINGER

Thank you.  I'll stay in touch.  Daniela ________________________________ From: Jo Burkhardt <Jburkhardt@acpl.lib.in.us> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 9:40:22 AM Subject: Re: [BW] Seitz I have the following for Seitz If these are helpful, I have a few more and would be glad to copy them out for you. Entry #1319 Seitz, Polycarpus, M from Nüertingen, 1591 Diakonus in Winterbach, 1595 - 1609 Pfarrer in Musberg, seit 1609 in Bempflingen, born about 1568, died in Bempflingen 13 Feb 1616. Son of Samuel Seiz, deutscher Schulmeister (Schoolmaster) in Nürtingen "lebte still und eingezongen und zeichnete sich durch eine sorgfaltige Fuhrung der Kirchenregister aus" Married Nürtingen 2 Dec 1592 Married Maria Eblin, daughter of Martin Eblin (Pfarrer=priest) Children: 1.    Anna Maria  Married Jörg Laumayer in Musberg in 1612 No date of birth 2.    Barbara  born 25 Mar 1596 3.    Sara  born 30 May 1597 4.    Regine  born 7 Jan 1599 5.    Polycarpus  born 13 Jun 1600 6.    Samuel  born 25 Oct 1601 7.    David  born 19 Apr 1603 8.    Hans Jacob  born 4 Apr 1605 9.    Ester  born 15 Oct 1606 10.    Josef  born 18 Apr 1609 Entry #1320 Seitz, Johann Daniel, 1708 "Dragoner vom Hohenst. Regt., Hrn Hauptman von Gaißberg Compagnie", 1710 württembergischer Dragoner Out of wedlock Ephrosina Haller Children: 1.    Johann Daniel  born 19 Dec 1708 born out of wedlock Died 17 Jun 1710 2.    Johannes  no birth date  died 24 May 1713 Jo Burkhardt Graphic Artist Allen County Public Library (260) 421-1268 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have the following for Seitz If these are helpful, I have a few more and would be glad to copy them out for you. Entry #1319 Seitz, Polycarpus, M from Nüertingen, 1591 Diakonus in Winterbach, 1595 - 1609 Pfarrer in Musberg, seit 1609 in Bempflingen, born about 1568, died in Bempflingen 13 Feb 1616. Son of Samuel Seiz, deutscher Schulmeister (Schoolmaster) in Nürtingen "lebte still und eingezongen und zeichnete sich durch eine sorgfaltige Fuhrung der Kirchenregister aus" Married Nürtingen 2 Dec 1592 Married Maria Eblin, daughter of Martin Eblin (Pfarrer=priest) Children: 1. Anna Maria Married Jörg Laumayer in Musberg in 1612 No date of birth 2. Barbara born 25 Mar 1596 3. Sara born 30 May 1597 4. Regine born 7 Jan 1599 5. Polycarpus born 13 Jun 1600 6. Samuel born 25 Oct 1601 7. David born 19 Apr 1603 8. Hans Jacob born 4 Apr 1605 9. Ester born 15 Oct 1606 10. Josef born 18 Apr 1609 Entry #1320 Seitz, Johann Daniel, 1708 "Dragoner vom Hohenst. Regt., Hrn Hauptman von Gaißberg Compagnie", 1710 württembergischer Dragoner Out of wedlock Ephrosina Haller Children: 1. Johann Daniel born 19 Dec 1708 born out of wedlock Died 17 Jun 1710 2. Johannes no birth date died 24 May 1713 Jo Burkhardt Graphic Artist Allen County Public Library (260) 421-1268

Daniela: Like Kent, I research in the Goeppingen area and have researched with the Boehringen records. I have about 2800 people from Boehringen in my database and about 1,000 people named Seitz, but unfortunately no Seitz in Boehringen. I've been inputting the family books from the Goeppingen area into one database along with other records and have approximately 277,000 people in my database from the villages surrounding Goeppingen. Some of those villages are: Bartenbach, Hattenhofen, Duernau, Gammelshausen, Albershausen, Boll, Kleineislingen, Boertlingen, Rosswaelden, Zell, Pliensbach, Schlierbach, Reichenbach, Boll, Bezgenriet, Sparwiesen, Jebenhausen, Holzheim, Uhingen, Gruibingen, Eschenbach, GrossSuessen, Buenzwangen, Wangen, Neidlingen, and more... If you would like to take a look, I have my database uploaded on the WorldConnect site. The address is: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=kbonnell kathy bonnell -----Original Message----- From: baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:baden-wurttemberg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Daniela OConnor Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:54 PM To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BW] Seitz Kent, I'm interested in the Seitz you mention in Goeppingen and Nuertingen. In between these two towns is an area called Boehringen and I have a connection there with my Seitz.  I'd like to stay in touch as we may have some connection.  Daniela ________________________________ From: "ToySchach@aol.com" <ToySchach@aol.com> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:28:01 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Seitz In a message dated 1/31/2009 2:01:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, elm121147@mhcable.com writes: Seitz,  the name of your great, great, great grandfather, does not appear in Wuerttemberg until after the Thirty Year War (1618-1648). I have 6 children of Leonhard Seitz born in 1583 Goeppingen  Wuerttemberg from Apr 1606 to Apr 1616 Also a Elisbetha Seitz was born in Heiningen in 1577 There is a Barbara Seiz born about 1526 in Goeppingen. I also have 2 Seizin from Nuertingen born about 1542 and 1567 and 2 Seizen from Merklingrn born about 1579 and 1548. All these are before the 30 year war. Kent Schach **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1926 - Release Date: 01/30/09 17:31:00

OK. This is just what I have been given by a great Aunt. Wonder if there is any relation. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ToySchach@aol.com> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Seitz > > > In a message dated 1/31/2009 2:01:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > elm121147@mhcable.com writes: > > Seitz, the name of your great, great, great grandfather, does not appear > in > Wuerttemberg until after the Thirty Year War (1618-1648). > I have 6 children of Leonhard Seitz born in 1583 Goeppingen Wuerttemberg > from Apr 1606 to Apr 1616 > Also a Elisbetha Seitz was born in Heiningen in 1577 > > There is a Barbara Seiz born about 1526 in Goeppingen. > > I also have 2 Seizin from Nuertingen born about 1542 and 1567 and 2 > Seizen from Merklingrn born about 1579 and 1548. > > All these are before the 30 year war. > > Kent Schach > **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, > stay > up-to-date with the latest news. > (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1926 - Release Date: 01/30/09 17:31:00

In a message dated 1/31/2009 2:01:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, elm121147@mhcable.com writes: Seitz, the name of your great, great, great grandfather, does not appear in Wuerttemberg until after the Thirty Year War (1618-1648). I have 6 children of Leonhard Seitz born in 1583 Goeppingen Wuerttemberg from Apr 1606 to Apr 1616 Also a Elisbetha Seitz was born in Heiningen in 1577 There is a Barbara Seiz born about 1526 in Goeppingen. I also have 2 Seizin from Nuertingen born about 1542 and 1567 and 2 Seizen from Merklingrn born about 1579 and 1548. All these are before the 30 year war. Kent Schach **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)

Kent, I'm interested in the Seitz you mention in Goeppingen and Nuertingen. In between these two towns is an area called Boehringen and I have a connection there with my Seitz.  I'd like to stay in touch as we may have some connection.  Daniela ________________________________ From: "ToySchach@aol.com" <ToySchach@aol.com> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:28:01 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Seitz In a message dated 1/31/2009 2:01:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  elm121147@mhcable.com writes: Seitz,  the name of your great, great, great grandfather, does not appear in  Wuerttemberg until after the Thirty Year War (1618-1648). I have 6 children of Leonhard Seitz born in 1583 Goeppingen  Wuerttemberg from Apr 1606 to Apr 1616 Also a Elisbetha Seitz was born in Heiningen in 1577 There is a Barbara Seiz born about 1526 in Goeppingen. I also have 2 Seizin from Nuertingen born about 1542 and 1567 and 2 Seizen from Merklingrn born about 1579 and 1548. All these are before the 30 year war. Kent Schach **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Following is a copy of some note regaring my ggg grandfather, Johann Jacob Seitz. If anyone can give any further info or dircetion about how to trace further I would greatly appreciate it. Seitz Family Notes by Freya Alwina Goerner The name Seitz is the diminutive of Siegfried. Seitz, the name of your great, great, great grandfather, does not appear in Wuerttemberg until after the Thirty Year War (1618-1648). The first traces of it are to be found in the Rhine Valley and in upper Bavaria. One of the oldest church bells in Germany (Nuremberg) bears the imprint that it was cast by Seitz. Immediately after the Thirty Year War, during which all archives were destroyed, the name of Schiller, the family from which the poet sprang, appeared in Wuerttemberg, as did that of Seitz, and, later on, the two families were united by marriage. Johann Jacob Seitz, your great, great, great grandfather, was born in 1790, served as a member of the elite corps of King Frederick Wilhelm of Wuerttemberg and saw duty in the Coalition Wars against Napoleon in the capacity of secret courier, in which capacity he covered 65 missions into foreign lands besides many in his own country. The passports showing that he went repeatedly to St. Petersburg, Moscow, Paris, Rome, London, Triest, still are extant. In 1815 his missions took him three times to the Vienna Congress as well as to the headquarters of the commander of the British Army, the Duke of Wellington, to whom he personally delivered a message he had carried between the soles of his boots. At the time, Napoleon no longer trusted the Rheinbund contingent, then fighting with the French in the hope of obtaining the much propagandized freedom and equality. Napoleon, fearing secession of this Rheinbund contingent because of plundering and devastation on the part of the French soldiery instead of fulfillment of the glorious promises, ordered all travelers coming from the south to be carefully searched and examined. The task of Johann Jacob Seitz was to pass through the French lines without discovery of his mission on the part of the enemy. The undertaking was a most dangerous one. However, his linguistic qualifications stood him in good stead, i.e. posing as a French businessman, as described in his passport, he got through safely. All descriptions were fictitious, except only that of his person. The Rheinbund contingent had been separated from the main German forces and the message told how reunion could be effected. Goethe's "Hermann and Dorothea" treats of the return to the fatherland of some of these disillusioned Germans. After the close of the second Coalition War, Johann Jacob Seitz was ordered to proceed to Paris to collect Wuerttemberg's (there was no United Germany then) portion of France's contribution to the war debt. At the time, the Bois de Boulogne, through which he had to make the return trip to Germany, was so infested with robbers that there was little likelihood of bringing the gold coin, the medium in which payment was to be made, safely out of France. Accordingly, Johann Jacob Seitz formed the plan of buying a charcoal cart, disguising himself and the accompanying bank official as charcoal venders, and stowing the case containing the gold under the charcoal. Thus, was the treasure brought safely into Germany. Your kin on the other side of the big pond have in their possession various gifts bestowed on this great, great, great grandfather of yours by royal heads, among them a valuable snuffbox from Alexander I of Russia. Two of the sons of Johann Jacob Seitz excelled in the field of art: one, an art connoisseur, gathered the A.T. Stewart Collection and brought out the steel engravings "Washington and His Generals," "Lady Washington's Reception," etc.-- the other was the architect of several churches in Germany known for their pure Gothic design. * * * * * On page 51 of the large DuPont book published several years ago appears a picture of Frederick Christian Schoenbein, the inventor of gun-cotton. Family records show that he was born in 1798 in Metzingen (Wuerttemberg), the son of a postal secretary, and died professor of the University of Basel (Switzerland). Besides, he invented collodium and discovered the ozone in the air. His great grandfather Martin Schoenbein, born 1662, was a half-brother to Ann Marie Schoenbein, born 1675, who, in 1693 married Adreas Casper, a surgeon in Metzingen, and her grandniece, Wilhelmine Caroline, married, in 1818, Carl Dihm, another great, great, great grandfather of yours, who introduced photography into Wuerttemberg from France. Tante Alwine gave Arlene this information while she was attending the Wood-Ridge High School in the early 1950's. It would be interesting to try to get information about our other forbears. Hedwig D. Ludlam (1962) Note: Pauline Seitz was Hedwig D. Ludlam's grandmother Transcibed by Stuart D. Ludlam on 4 March 1995 File: ALWINA1.DOC.

Hello Diane, Do you have any of that information and how far back are we talking?  So far I have many leads to follow, but am still not certain where my Regina Seitz came from.  This is something I am exploring with a cousin of mine also.  Daniela ________________________________ From: Diane Hettrick <dhettrick@earthlink.net> To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:22:37 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Seitz According to a cousin's research in the church records held by the  LDS, I have Seitz ancestors.  The locations I have are Jettenbach and  Gronau (the tiny one).  I think all my ancestors were in the hills  above Stuttgart, wine country, I believe.  Neckarkreis, Wuerttenberg. Diane Hettrick dhettrick@earthlink.net On Jan 22, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Sheri Martin wrote: > I have Seitz or von Seitz in my family from > Stuttgart,Neckarkreis,Wuerttemberg. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniela OConnor" <danieoc@sbcglobal.net> > To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [BW] Seitz > > > > > Thank you Rose. I'm sure that will be on my list of areas to pursue.  > I'm > just trying to gather a few more bits of info before I try to  > communicate > with German bureacracy. ;-)) Daniela > > > ________________________________ > From: "RoseSchiller@aol.com" <RoseSchiller@aol.com> > To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:45:36 AM > Subject: Re: [BW] Seitz > > Daniela, > the Seitz surname exists in Rottweil. You might ask at the  > "Stadtarchiv > Rottweil" for more information. > I do not have their e-mail adress but you will find it at the official > Rottweil website: _www.rottweil.de_ (http://www.rottweil.de) or > _www.stadt-rottweil.de_ (http://www.stadt-rottweil.de) . > > Regards > Rose > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message