Fred, you need to be more forgiving of some of us. I think I just did the same thing on my last posting. But I promise to be more careful in the future. Max (You need to refrain from double clicking on your Send button.) The records for Rheinbischofsheim may be rented at your local LDS Family History Center. ====================== Kirchenbuch, 1581-1965 Evangelische Kirche Rheinbischofsheim (A. Kehl) (Main Author) Parish register baptisms, marriages, deaths and indexes for Rheinbischofsheim. Includes Holzhausen. Second filming is incomplete but is of better quality. ====================== BTW: Does the PSU in your email address stand for Penn State? At 02:03 AM 3/3/2009, you wrote: >From: "Mayer, Charles" >Subject: [BW] Yeager / Jaeger Family >To: > >My gg-grandparents came from Rheinbischofsheim, a small town about >midway between Baden-Baden and Strasbourg, France. (bc = born >circa). Jacob Yeager (bc1819), wife Magdalena (bc1820), and >children Jacob (bc1844), Magdalena (bc1846), and Barbara (bc1848) >crossed to America on the ship Columbus, which departed Antwerp >Belgium and arrived New York on 6 January 1852. On the passenger >manifest, they were listed with the family name Jaeger from Rheinbischofsheim. > >Can anyone provide any info about this family's ancestry/history or >point me to a source that might lead to more info? > >Thank you, > >Charles A Mayer >Ormond by the Sea, Florida USA ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bqEjs3ri19pf58huOStr0WLq7n88rYrzTuy7vQ9nIpBxuJ8iwo/ [3] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com [4] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] mailto:PSU113@att.net [2] mailto:BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com [3] http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bqEjs3ri19pf58huOStr0WLq7n88rYrzTuy7vQ9nIpBxuJ8iwo/ [4] mailto:BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com

Charles, (You need to refrain from double clicking on your Send button.) The records for Rheinbischofsheim may be rented at your local LDS Family History Center. ====================== Kirchenbuch, 1581-1965 Evangelische Kirche Rheinbischofsheim (A. Kehl) (Main Author) Parish register baptisms, marriages, deaths and indexes for Rheinbischofsheim. Includes Holzhausen. Second filming is incomplete but is of better quality. ====================== BTW: Does the PSU in your email address stand for Penn State? At 02:03 AM 3/3/2009, you wrote: >From: "Mayer, Charles" <PSU113@att.net> >Subject: [BW] Yeager / Jaeger Family >To: <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com> > >My gg-grandparents came from Rheinbischofsheim, a small town about >midway between Baden-Baden and Strasbourg, France. (bc = born >circa). Jacob Yeager (bc1819), wife Magdalena (bc1820), and >children Jacob (bc1844), Magdalena (bc1846), and Barbara (bc1848) >crossed to America on the ship Columbus, which departed Antwerp >Belgium and arrived New York on 6 January 1852. On the passenger >manifest, they were listed with the family name Jaeger from Rheinbischofsheim. > >Can anyone provide any info about this family's ancestry/history or >point me to a source that might lead to more info? > >Thank you, > >Charles A Mayer >Ormond by the Sea, Florida USA ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bqEjs3ri19pf58huOStr0WLq7n88rYrzTuy7vQ9nIpBxuJ8iwo/

In the Southwest Germany Emigration Index, I found the following: Emigrant identification 249121 Title First name Jakob Last name Jäger Second name Last place of residence Rheinau District Rheinbischofsheim Domicile Marital status Denomination Profession Name at birth Sex Year of birth Date of birth Reference Emigration year 1851 Date of emigration Continent Nordamerika Country of destination Nordamerika Point of destination Age at emigration Number of adults Number of children Motive Remigration Bailer Comments insgesamt 5 Personen; Capital Assistance County nicht zuweisbar Archive Generallandesarchiv Karlsruhe The phrase "insgesamt 5 Personen" in the comments field. My translation is "in total 5 people [traveling together]" This fits your group exactly. The LDS films for Rheinau don't appear to go back further than 1896 so they could be included in another nearby parish. However, even though Rheinau is only about 1 kilometer from Rheinbischofsheim, it's not certain that they are included in the later's books based on the film's notes. A little research (or someone on this list) may reveal in which parish the ordinances were done for Rheinau in the 1800's. I'd do it myself but must off to the dentist (I'd rather be researching but . . .) Also, the online church books suggested by another list member don't cover Jakob's (1819) and later birth years yet. Regards, Paul near Portland -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mayer, Charles" <PSU113@att.net> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:48 PM To: <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BW] Yeager / Jaeger Family > My gg-grandparents came from Rheinbischofsheim, a small town about midway > between Baden-Baden and Strasbourg, France. (bc = born circa). Jacob > Yeager (bc1819), wife Magdalena (bc1820), and children Jacob (bc1844), > Magdalena (bc1846), and Barbara (bc1848) crossed to America on the ship > Columbus, which departed Antwerp Belgium and arrived New York on 6 January > 1852. On the passenger manifest, they were listed with the family name > Jaeger from Rheinbischofsheim. > > Can anyone provide any info about this family's ancestry/history or point > me to a source that might lead to more info? > > Thank you, > > Charles A Mayer > Ormond by the Sea, Florida USA

And one more! I think I may have set a record, finding the passage from Germany to America of five of my 16 gg-grandparents in one day. At least a personal best. These folks crossed the Atlantic on the ship Irene that departed Le Havre, France and arrived New York on 29 December 1854. Onbard were my gg-grandmother, Bertha Weitzenecker (bc1830), her siblings Wilhelm (bc1813), Friedrich (bc1815), Anthon(y) (bc1820), Leander (bc1824), Philippina (bc1828), and possibly a niece, Pauline (bc1846). Bertha's gravestone lists her DOB as 26 June 1831. According to family legend, those folks and several more siblings were the children of Count Henry (or Simon) Von Weitzenecker. Count Henry had a castle near Vienna, Austria. At some point, the Von Weitzenecker's were forced to flee Austria and settled in Ravensburg in Wurttemberg. Can anyone provide any info about this family's ancestry/history or point me to a source that might lead to more info? Thank you, Charles A Mayer Ormond by the Sea, Florida USA

My gg-grandparents came from Baden, Germany and crossed to America on the ship Florida that departed Le Havre France and arrived New York on 18 July 1853. They apparently traveled before marriage, as they are listed together on the passenger manifest as Johann Mayer (bc1833) and Krescencia Ohnesorg (or Ohnesong) (bc1829). Also with them was Genofera Ohnesorg (bc1830), probably a sister of Krescencia. Possibly they all came from the same town, as I suspect the passenger list was made up upon boarding, and those three folks boarded together. Can anyone provide any info about this family's ancestry/history or point me to a source that might lead to more info? Thank you, Charles A Mayer Ormond by the Sea, Florida USA

My gg-grandparents came from Rheinbischofsheim, a small town about midway between Baden-Baden and Strasbourg, France. (bc = born circa). Jacob Yeager (bc1819), wife Magdalena (bc1820), and children Jacob (bc1844), Magdalena (bc1846), and Barbara (bc1848) crossed to America on the ship Columbus, which departed Antwerp Belgium and arrived New York on 6 January 1852. On the passenger manifest, they were listed with the family name Jaeger from Rheinbischofsheim. Can anyone provide any info about this family's ancestry/history or point me to a source that might lead to more info? Thank you, Charles A Mayer Ormond by the Sea, Florida USA

Hi, I am researching the Ammon family. My ancestor is John George Frederick AMMON married to Rosina Barbara GEB (SEIZ) Frederick was a locksmith in the town of Kirchberg. He handed the business on to his son Julius Ammon who then passed the business on to his son-in-law Paul Muhle. If anyone thinks they may connect please contact me. Looking forward to an answer, Gay Eunson in Australia.

Gay, Just a comment. You capitalized GEB as though that was Rosina Barbara's surname. "Geb" is the German abbreviation for "geboren" or "born" or in this case "born as". It appears her name was Rosina Barbara SEIZ/SEITZ. At 02:02 AM 2/27/2009, you wrote: >From: "Gay Eunson" <eunson5253@bigpond.com> >Subject: [BW] Ammon family >To: <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com> > >Hi, >I am researching the Ammon family. My ancestor is John George >Frederick AMMON married to Rosina Barbara GEB (SEIZ) >Frederick was a locksmith in the town of Kirchberg. He handed the >business on to his son Julius Ammon who then passed the business on >to his son-in-law Paul Muhle. >If anyone thinks they may connect please contact me. >Looking forward to an answer, >Gay Eunson in Australia. ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bnApMNhyU9LZrnz1wm96rAZ9wRNTwfpVhVI6r0MkorH2lD5zzS/

Hi Paul, Thanks for the clarification. One thing on my mind: does this scenario extend to encompass the Scottish (and to a smaller extent, Irish) emiggration from their homelands to America in the 1750s? Cheers from HD, Dick Stewart =-=-=- Richard wrote: Did the 'redemptioners' scenario consist only or primarily of Germans/Prussians? Me: While the bulk of redemptioners were German-speaking, the program could in theory be extended anywhere on the continent where sovereigns allowed these Neulaender to wander about and recruit their citizens. I suspect that the Dutch tended to go to the Dutch East Indies. The French came to North America mainly as Huguenot refugees who had been living in other countries since the 1685 Revocation of the Treaty of Nantes. If a Huguenot had been living in England, s/he could come under a different system (see next paragraph). German-speaking Swiss also came but often after having spent time (or a generation or two) in Baden-Wuerttemberg or the Palatinate or somewhere else in "Germany" and thus were considered Palatines, not Swiss. Many British came as indentured servants but not under the redemptioner system. They worked out the terms of their indentures before leaving the British Isles. There was a fair amount of kidnappings and misrepresentation in the early arrivals (late 1600's) so that British law early changed to state that indentures of British citizens were not legally enforceable in the colonies unless they were endorsed by a magistrate in Britain. The idea was that a person would appear before a magistrate who would examine the person and his understanding of the indentures (contract) to verify s/he understood the terms and conditions and was signing his/her future labor away voluntarily. There apparently still was abuse when a magistrate could be bribed but it meant that most British indentured servants had negotiated their indentures before leaving the old country and therefore they had some protection and some bargaining power. Redemptioners, on the other hand, were at the mercy of the market after they had arrived and were desperate, hungry, sick, scared, and with no other alternative. If the ship had to depart before the human cargo had been "placed" then the remaining travelers were brought ashore and kept under house arrest by the shipping company's local agent until redeemed. If a passenger died after crossing the halfway point, his family was responsible for the deceased's fare and thus had to negotiate to trade their future labor for a much higher sum. It was not unusual for children to be split from parents and obligated to work substantial distances from other family members. Apparently, many started out the journey with what they were led to believe was ample funds to pay for the entire voyage but ended up going into debt during the voyage and having to also sell themselves. Gottlieb Mittleberger accompanied an organ from Germany to install it in a Lutheran chapel in the colonies. After returning to Germany, he wrote an account of the redemption system. The book has been in continuous print since then. It's pretty graphic (some scholars say sensationalist) about the abuses of the system. For a translation of substantial portions of Mittleberger's 1754 book, see http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bdorsey1/41docs/40-mit.html German immigrants later formed into societies to pressure the various colonial and later U.S. states and federal legislature to regulate the trade in their countrymen. Eventually, the regulation made the trade so humane that it became unprofitable for shipping companies because they couldn't pack them in like sardines and charge for everything biscuit they ate, riffle their baggage, charge for family members who didn't survive the voyage etc. The trade wained in the late 1700's and was all but killed by some new legislation in 1819. Regards, Paul in Oregon

Bert wrote: > Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index about Adam Wacht > District: Nuer. > Name: Wacht, Adam > Birth Place: Aich > Application Date: Jul 1750 > Destination: Pomerania > Number: 550806 > > Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index about Hans Jerg Wacht > District: Nuer. > Name: Wacht, Hans Jerg > Birth Place: Aich > Application Date: Jul 1750 > Destination: Pomerania > Number: 550806 Me: There are 10 places in Germany named Aich and at least one in Alsace (part of France but ethnically German). There is one near Nuernburg and another near Nuertigen, both starting with the same three (four with u umlaut converted to ue) letters. Still I'd say the following is your target parish record (as already noted by Fred Held). The microfilm information at the FHL indicates there is a Familienbuch, a secondary source but a bonus, nonetheless. Title Kirchenbuch, 1679-1966 Authors Evangelische Kirche Aich (OA. Nürtingen) (Main Author) Familienbuch -- Taufen 1679-1794 --FHL INTL Film 1056613 (If your ancestors were Roman Catholic, this is likely not the correct Aich.) There is a Family Book on the film above which can be a boon to those who do not speak German. Since the baptisms are on the same film, I would start with the Family Book then look up every reference in the actual parish record and scan the entry. Then ask for help reading the entries because you can learn a lot from the details in addition to date/place/event. You can often learn profession, citizenship status, social standing, mother's maiden name, origin of one of the parents if not from the parish, religion if not same as parish, etc. Remember that Adam may be your ancestor's second given name. That is, his birth entry may be something like Johann Adam Wächt. Whatever the first given name is, it will likely be the same as the first given name of the first named baptismal sponsor. The second given name is the name the child will be called by and will often use, even in official type situations as an adult. And yes, the first given name could be the same as the first given name of his brother since it's the second given name that distinguishes the two. This Aich was combined, along with the village of Neuenhaus into the town of Grötzingen in 1975 and the resulting municipality changed its name to Aichtal (Aich Valley) in 1978. For web page see www.aichtal.de Mapquest now (incorrectly) shows this Aich as Aichtal but it appears that the locals still call their village Aich and Aichtal is the municipality (combination of the three villages). Mapquest's index still has this place under Aich but the display shows Aichtal. From the photos on the web site, this is a truly beautiful spot on earth. Waecht would easily become Wecht because Wacht, after dropping the umlaut on the a doesn't sound or look like the German pronunciation which would have been something like Veckt. However, the ch was higher in the back of the mouth than English ck, more like the Scottish gh which may be why the name got the spelling of Weight. In my theory, the gh then became silent like English spelling suggests and then it's an easy transition to Wait/Waite. Waits is the plural which became the name. My surname is Rands and many then extrapolate that my name is Paul Rand so I'm guessing some think your name is Bert K. Wait. Good luck, Paul -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bert K. Waits" <waitsb@math.ohio-state.edu> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:18 AM To: <BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com> Cc: <waitsb@math.ohio-state.edu> Subject: [BW] Help requested from a newbie - immigration records > Help requested from a newbie. > My immigrant ancestor Adam Wacht b. 1723 in Aich, Germany appears in the > Ancestry.com immigration records for July 1750. So does his brother John > George for the same date. See below. > But I read that the index covers 1808-1890. Yet my ancestor came to > America ca 1750 (and does show up in Berks Co PA in the mid 1750s - tax > records). > So I am a bit suspicious of the listings below. Can you help me? Are they > valid? Was Pomerania considered an independent country in 1750? Does it > make sense that they would have come to Philadelphia in 1750 from > Pomerania? > > Thanks much, Bert Please contact me by email at bkwaits@gmail.com > > Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index about Adam Wacht > District: Nuer. > Name: Wacht, Adam > Birth Place: Aich > Application Date: Jul 1750 > Destination: Pomerania > Number: 550806 > > Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index about Hans Jerg Wacht > District: Nuer. > Name: Wacht, Hans Jerg > Birth Place: Aich > Application Date: Jul 1750 > Destination: Pomerania > Number: 550806 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN-WURTTEMBERG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Paul, I read with great interest your last email. I have a question. Did the 'redemptioners' scenario consist only or primarly of Germans/Prussians? Cheers from Heidelberg, Richard

Richard wrote: Did the 'redemptioners' scenario consist only or primarily of Germans/Prussians? Me: While the bulk of redemptioners were German-speaking, the program could in theory be extended anywhere on the continent where sovereigns allowed these Neulaender to wander about and recruit their citizens. I suspect that the Dutch tended to go to the Dutch East Indies. The French came to North America mainly as Huguenot refugees who had been living in other countries since the 1685 Revocation of the Treaty of Nantes. If a Huguenot had been living in England, s/he could come under a different system (see next paragraph). German-speaking Swiss also came but often after having spent time (or a generation or two) in Baden-Wuerttemberg or the Palatinate or somewhere else in "Germany" and thus were considered Palatines, not Swiss. Many British came as indentured servants but not under the redemptioner system. They worked out the terms of their indentures before leaving the British Isles. There was a fair amount of kidnappings and misrepresentation in the early arrivals (late 1600's) so that British law early changed to state that indentures of British citizens were not legally enforceable in the colonies unless they were endorsed by a magistrate in Britain. The idea was that a person would appear before a magistrate who would examine the person and his understanding of the indentures (contract) to verify s/he understood the terms and conditions and was signing his/her future labor away voluntarily. There apparently still was abuse when a magistrate could be bribed but it meant that most British indentured servants had negotiated their indentures before leaving the old country and therefore they had some protection and some bargaining power. Redemptioners, on the other hand, were at the mercy of the market after they had arrived and were desperate, hungry, sick, scared, and with no other alternative. If the ship had to depart before the human cargo had been "placed" then the remaining travelers were brought ashore and kept under house arrest by the shipping company's local agent until redeemed. If a passenger died after crossing the halfway point, his family was responsible for the deceased's fare and thus had to negotiate to trade their future labor for a much higher sum. It was not unusual for children to be split from parents and obligated to work substantial distances from other family members. Apparently, many started out the journey with what they were led to believe was ample funds to pay for the entire voyage but ended up going into debt during the voyage and having to also sell themselves. Gottlieb Mittleberger accompanied an organ from Germany to install it in a Lutheran chapel in the colonies. After returning to Germany, he wrote an account of the redemption system. The book has been in continuous print since then. It's pretty graphic (some scholars say sensationalist) about the abuses of the system. For a translation of substantial portions of Mittleberger's 1754 book, see http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bdorsey1/41docs/40-mit.html German immigrants later formed into societies to pressure the various colonial and later U.S. states and federal legislature to regulate the trade in their countrymen. Eventually, the regulation made the trade so humane that it became unprofitable for shipping companies because they couldn't pack them in like sardines and charge for everything biscuit they ate, riffle their baggage, charge for family members who didn't survive the voyage etc. The trade wained in the late 1700's and was all but killed by some new legislation in 1819. Regards, Paul in Oregon

Hello List! Does anyone have any info regard Andreas Gläser b. 1796 from Neusatzeck (Neusatz), Rastatt Kreis. His wife was Margaretha Schumacher (b. 1797). Children are Jakob, Johann Georg (b. 1819), Katharina b. 1826, Johann Heinrich b. 1834, Andreas b. 1834. Other places associated with this family: Rathskirchen, Dörrmoschel. Thanks in advance. Dave _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009

Bert wrote: Was Pomerania considered an independent country in 1750? Me: Germany was formed in 1871 from a large number of entities (kingdoms, duchies, free cities, principalities etc.) that were formerly members of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (HQ in Vienna) which wasn't an empire, Roman, or holy as the truism goes. Western Pomerania (Vorpommern) was part of the Holy Roman Empire but under Swedish jurisdiction in 1750. So yes, it was a different country. It was on the Baltic and a jumping off point for the American Colonies. I think there is a fair chance your ancestor was recruited by traveling agents of a Dutch shipping company to go now and pay later for the passage with their indentured labor (usually around seven years). The agents had often previously made the trip (hence their nickname New Worlders or Neulaender in German) and had worked off their travel debt and then were recruited to return and sell the idea to others. The New Worlders got a commission for each passenger they delivered to the ship in Rotterdam and so had an incentive to embellish the facts about the program. For more information, see my article in Wikipedia entitled Redemptioner at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redemptioner There is a book out about two such travelers in 1772. Both left from Baltic ports, one of them Stralsund in Western Pomerania. See the book Souls for Sale: Two German Redemptioners Come to Revolutionary America by Susan E. Klepp, Farley Grubb, Anne Pfaelzer de Ortiz. (Pennsylvania State University Press, 2006, ISBN 0-271-02881-5 It is likely that your ancestor thought he was heading to some other destination than America since the system was in place for other places and emigration at that time from the German states was more likely not to the British Colonies in North America. My wife's ancestor came as a redemptioner in the same ship with the two "souls" of the book mentioned above. The group was shepherded from Stralsund by a new worlder to Rotterdam with the idea of sending them to the Dutch East Indies. They arrived too late in the season for that destination so they waited around, virtually as prisoners in Rotterdam, until their recruiter could sell them to a ship for Philadelphia. The ship made its mandatory stop in Cowles (island port off the cost of England) to be processed by British immigration and then sailed on to Philadelphia. Colonists came on board the ship when it arrived in Philadelphia and bartered with the travelers on how long they would work under indentures if the colonists paid the ship's captain their fare. In essence, they were "redeemed" by their new master. My wife's ancestor agreed to 7.5 years. His indentures were recorded in town and he became a German-speaking clerk for a well-known harbor merchant in the city of brotherly love. Most ended up as farm laborers. A few of those indenture registrations survive, including those of my wife's ancestor's, Friedrich Markus MONTELIUS. Some guess that about half of the German immigrants in the 18th century arrived as redemptioners. You have a fair chance of finding their ship of arrival since males 16 years of age an older show up on the various lists of those giving the oaths they had to take to enter a British colony (loyalty to the king, swearing they didn't believe in the Roman Catholic doctrine of regicide of Protestant monarchs, and another I can't remember). Happy unearthing, Paul near Portland

Bert, First , you are looking at emigration records and not immigration records. The Würtemberg Emigration Index number (550806) is the LDS microfilm number that those data were found. Here is the online LDS Family History Library catalog (FamilySearch website) entry for that microfilm. It is a valid entry in the WEI. ================= Auswanderungsakten, 1526-1899 Nürtingen (Württemberg). Oberamt (Main Author) Emigration from the district of Nürtingen, Württemberg, Germany; includes internal migrations, emigration to European countries, the United States and elsewhere. Includes indexes. See the Württemberg Emigration Index 943.47 W22st v. 2. ================= You can visit your local LDS Family History Center and rent that microfilm. BTW, your family has been thoroughly researched. In addition to the entry in Pedigree Resource files at FamilySearch by Amanda GOODALL, there are 5 entries in RootsWeb WorldConnect for your Adam, b: 23 DEC 1726, there is this one who includes the parents and siblings. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=llewellyn-jones&id=I0873 Unfortunately, the records for Aich do not go back much further. Here is the LDS FHL catalog entry for the Aich data. =================== Kirchenbuch, 1679-1966 Evangelische Kirche Aich (OA. Nürtingen) (Main Author) Parish register of baptisms, marriages, deaths, confirmations and family books for Aich ( OA. Nürtingen), Württemberg. =================== At 02:02 AM 2/17/2009, you wrote: >From: "Bert K. Waits" <waitsb@math.ohio-state.edu> >Subject: [BW] Help requested from a newbie - immigration records >To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG@rootsweb.com >Cc: waitsb@math.ohio-state.edu > >Help requested from a newbie. >My immigrant ancestor Adam Wacht b. 1723 in Aich, Germany appears in the >Ancestry.com immigration records for July 1750. So does his brother John >George for the same date. See below. >But I read that the index covers 1808-1890. Yet my ancestor came to >America ca 1750 (and does show up in Berks Co PA in the mid 1750s - tax >records). >So I am a bit suspicious of the listings below. Can you help me? Are they >valid? Was Pomerania considered an independent country in 1750? Does it >make sense that they would have come to Philadelphia in 1750 from >Pomerania? > >Thanks much, Bert Please contact me by email at bkwaits@gmail.com > >Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index about Adam Wacht >District: Nuer. >Name: Wacht, Adam >Birth Place: Aich >Application Date: Jul 1750 >Destination: Pomerania >Number: 550806 > >Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index about Hans Jerg Wacht >District: Nuer. >Name: Wacht, Hans Jerg >Birth Place: Aich >Application Date: Jul 1750 >Destination: Pomerania >Number: 550806 ____________________________________________________________ Right on time. Click now for great project management software! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8WgpndwsMM0dMb0kM3RZsabeE7wmMy9idHosNdMUgAob62w/

Help requested from a newbie. My immigrant ancestor Adam Wacht b. 1723 in Aich, Germany appears in the Ancestry.com immigration records for July 1750. So does his brother John George for the same date. See below. But I read that the index covers 1808-1890. Yet my ancestor came to America ca 1750 (and does show up in Berks Co PA in the mid 1750s - tax records). So I am a bit suspicious of the listings below. Can you help me? Are they valid? Was Pomerania considered an independent country in 1750? Does it make sense that they would have come to Philadelphia in 1750 from Pomerania? Thanks much, Bert Please contact me by email at bkwaits@gmail.com Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index about Adam Wacht District: Nuer. Name: Wacht, Adam Birth Place: Aich Application Date: Jul 1750 Destination: Pomerania Number: 550806 Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index about Hans Jerg Wacht District: Nuer. Name: Wacht, Hans Jerg Birth Place: Aich Application Date: Jul 1750 Destination: Pomerania Number: 550806

In a message dated 2/13/2009 3:45:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, kenlampel@yahoo.com writes: Hello!!! I am looking for records, census, birth, death, marraige records for Johann Stephan Katz. B. 01 APR 1829 in Remmingsheim, Schwarzwaldkreis, Wurttemberg, D. 08 FEB 1879 unknown location. His spouse was Magdalena Katz and they were married on 01 MAY 1854. One daughter was Mary Katz. I am looking for other children and Johann Stephan Katz's parents. They may be Benedict Katz and Rosina Katharina Braun but I can't confirm these "family" rumors nor the LDS site where someone had this information submitted. I can read German so if you have records in German that is fine or can point me in the right direction. Thank you! Kenneth Lampel Hi Ken Order the 3 microfilms of Remmingsheim records and you can see the real records. Three films for $ 16.50 for 2 months at most FHCs. Another $33 and they will keep the films for you to view forever. Kent Title Kirchenbuch, 1558-1967 Authors Evangelische Kirche Remmingsheim (OA. Rottenburg) (Main Author) Notes Mikrofilme aufgenommen von Manuskripten im Landeskirchlichen Archiv Stuttgart. Protestant parish register of baptisms, marriages, deaths, confirmations and family register for Remmingsheim, Württemberg, Germany. Subjects Germany, Württemberg, Remmingsheim - Church records Format Manuscript (On Film) Language German Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Gefilmt durch The Genealogical Society of Utah, 1986 Physical auf 3 Mikrofilmrollen ; 35 mm. Film Notes Note - Location [Film] Taufen 1558-1719 Tote 1559-1638 Heiraten 1558-1718 Tote 1638-1719 Taufen 1715-1808 Heiraten 1716-1810 Tote 1716-1778 - FHL INTL Film [ 1457490 Items 5-6 ] Tote 1776-1799 Konfirmationen 1746-1843 Taufen 1808-1901 Heiraten 1808-1908 Tote 1800-1965 - FHL INTL Film [ 1457491 ] Konfirmationen 1844-1967 Seelenregister 1726-1870 Familienregister I-II 1808-1886 - FHL INTL Film [ 1457492 Items 1-4 ] **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002)

Hello!!! I am looking for records, census, birth, death, marraige records for Johann Stephan Katz. B. 01 APR 1829 in Remmingsheim, Schwarzwaldkreis, Wurttemberg, D. 08 FEB 1879 unknown location. His spouse was Magdalena Katz and they were married on 01 MAY 1854. One daughter was Mary Katz. I am looking for other children and Johann Stephan Katz's parents. They may be Benedict Katz and Rosina Katharina Braun but I can't confirm these "family" rumors nor the LDS site where someone had this information submitted. I can read German so if you have records in German that is fine or can point me in the right direction. Thank you! Kenneth Lampel

Hello, With the help of several on this list, particularly Erika Lanz, we've been able to follow the Roger (Rager with an oomlout) family back to 1611 in Niedernhall. Charles Fredrick (Karl Friedrich ) Roger, born 1858, emigrated to England when he was 16... about 1874. In 1878 he married Lissette Diez in Barrow in Furness. The dates are a little funny. Lissette and Charles each date themselves as 22 on the marriage certificate - but they should only have been 20. Lissette lists her birthplace as Germany and her father as Christophe Diez, farmer. They had 2 children in Barrow in Furness and later they moved to London and had several more. Lissette died at age 46 in London. We are trying to find Elizabeth Christina Diez but have struck out so far. We suspect she might have been from the Baden Wurttemerg area but haven't found anything. We would appreciate any help that the list can provide. Thanks. Glen Roger

Hello Fred, I thank you very much for all of your helpful advice and kind messages! I think I have a much better idea now of how to proceed with my research. Many thanks again for your time and help! Best regards, Rebecca Olenchak << Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:21:01 -0600 From: Fred H Held <fhheld@netzero.net> Subject: Re: [BW] Russ family of Stuttgart, 19th century To: baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com, Rebecca Olenchak <niamh343@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <AABE3FZUUAR2WQ9J@smtpout02.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Rebecca, For years we were told that my family came from Stuttgart. After many years (and much research) it was found that they were really from a village about 15 miles away. (Note: There are over 500 villages within 15 miles of Stuttgart.) A single woman of that age should have applied for and received emigration papers (required by the Kingdom of W?rtemberg). If she did, there would be a record in the W?rtemberg Emigration Index, by Trudy Schenk and Ruth Froelke. These data are also digitized and on Ancestry.com ($). These data give the home village of the appliers. The Emigration from Southwest-Germany (Auswanderung aus S?dwestdeutschland) database shows only one Bertha RUSS/RU?, however she emigrated in 1857 and she was from Ulm. There are 2 Berta RUSS/RUESSs in the LDS IGI Files at FamilySearch born in years 1872+/-2. Both are baptized in Stuttgart, but both are the children of David RUSS and Marie BREINING. (And since a death date is listed for the later, aparrently both died.) BTW, the 1900 US census states your Bertha was born May 1871. The 1900 census also shows the immigration year, but it is on the last line on the page and is unreadable (it looks like it might be 1892). The 1910 census states she immigrated in 1885 (also states her middle initial is "L"). The 1920 census states she immigrated in 1886 and was naturalized in 1894 (naturalization records should be available in Scranton, application should give home village). >>