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    1. Re: [BW] RAAB Index
    2. Marvin Hoerig
    3. Norma, There are 8 Hamms Marvin Hoerig -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > Please can you check if there is HAMM from Baden. Thanks Norma > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >

    03/18/2012 04:31:27
    1. Re: [BW] RAAB Index
    2. Marvin Hoerig
    3. Barbara, There are two - - one is listed below and another without a given name from Tutschfelden, Baden and nothing else. Name-- Ziebold, Gottlieb Birth Place-- Record-- Number--37918 Name Variation-- Residence--Köndringen Profession-- Sex--m Nationality--D Age-- Year Held--1848 Country of Origin--Baden Region--Emmendingen Revolutionary Army-- Militia-- Single-- Married-- Biography--Im Dezember 1848 wegen Teilnahme an hochverräterischen Unternehmungen in Untersuchung Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Barbara Coakley" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:04 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > Martin would you please check Ziebold?

    03/18/2012 04:30:55
    1. [BW] RAAB Index
    2. I was told several years ago that my great-grandfather "escaped" from service by coming to America. However, it is also rumored that he change his name in order to do that. The name I have is Henry Yentz but it may have been Henry Jentz. Born Jan 1 1864, immigrated about 1881 Thanks for checking for me. Bettye

    03/18/2012 03:53:13
    1. [BW] RAAB Index
    2. Hello Marvin this is Marvin in Oklahoma and am wondering if there are any BOHRER's in the RAAB index. I had the information once and lost it when my house burned down. Marvin J. Bohrer Searching for BOHRER's anywhere

    03/18/2012 03:06:48
    1. [BW] Lipp entries
    2. jonbar
    3. Hello Russ, I can send you entries from the Grossherzoglich Badisches Anzeigeblatt for - Heinrich Lipp whose was wanted or was having his wanted notice withdrawn in 1849 Heinrich Carl Lipp from Sinsheim born 1824 who did not report for military duty in 1849 (Page 54) and Johann Adam Lipp from Sinsheim born 1825 who did not report for military duty in 1849 (page 55) Jon

    03/18/2012 01:13:05
    1. Re: [BW] RAAB Index
    2. Craig Gauger
    3. Marvin, Are there any GAUGERs listed? Danke sehr. Craig > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:57:00 -0500 > Subject: [BW] RAAB Index > > Peter et al, > > Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison at > Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. > There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information > about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very > disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical > information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. > Most records fall between these two extremes. > > I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for > years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very > rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and ancestor > that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. > > Here are a few facts about these records: > > More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden > Country of origin is usually listed > Listed residences are not necessarily birth places > Few records show a birth place > Few records show an age > Even fewer records show a birth date > Spelling of names is often different than expected > The majority of prisoners were male, but not all > The majority were German, but not all > Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all > Year of incarceration is almost always listed > Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted > Marital status is seldom noted > > > If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind > that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - the > prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with the > interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. > > I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this > list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the > surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given name > as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have > several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you > can furnish, the easier my job will be. > > There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich or > at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. > > Marvin Hoerig > > > ------------------------------------------------- > From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > > > http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 > > > > Peter Elias > > > > On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> Chuck > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Peter Elias > > ************ > > > > http://petereliasmd.com > > http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/18/2012 01:01:52
    1. Re: [BW] Schrank/Schranck/Schrenk
    2. Ronald and Laura Bozzay
    3. Spelling was not standardized until the mid 1900s.  People spelled how it sounded to them at that moment.  Could be different people writing it down at different times.  I have documents where the same name is spelled differently within them.    Laura >________________________________ > From: Jerrian <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:35 PM >Subject: [BW] Schrank/Schranck/Schrenk > >Hi, Can anyone enlighten me as to a possible why, Schrenk (father's name), >would be changed to Schrank (son's name), in the same location >(Schwenningen), and later, in Schluchtern, be spelled Schranck in the church >records? Thanks, Jerrian > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

    03/18/2012 12:18:55
    1. Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, RAAB Index Lookup Request
    2. Karen Moore
    3. Martin, Thank you for your generous offer. Could you look up the name Jacob MUHR in the Raab Index. Thank you. Karen Moore

    03/18/2012 11:48:44
    1. Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, RAAB Index Lookup Request
    2. Marvin Could you please look up the name SCHOBER in the Raab Index. Thanks for your assistance. Chuck Schober

    03/18/2012 11:39:12
    1. Re: [BW] RAAB Index
    2. Mike Singer
    3. Frank Joseph Straka, Sr. b. 1845 Bohemia, Baden, Germany d. aft. 1900 Philadelphia, PA (assumed) I am looking for all related to this person. Mike Singer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marvin Hoerig Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BW] RAAB Index Peter et al, Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison at Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. Most records fall between these two extremes. I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and ancestor that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. Here are a few facts about these records: More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden Country of origin is usually listed Listed residences are not necessarily birth places Few records show a birth place Few records show an age Even fewer records show a birth date Spelling of names is often different than expected The majority of prisoners were male, but not all The majority were German, but not all Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all Year of incarceration is almost always listed Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted Marital status is seldom noted If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - the prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with the interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given name as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you can furnish, the easier my job will be. There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich or at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. Marvin Hoerig ------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 > > Peter Elias > > On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> Chuck >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Peter Elias > ************ > > http://petereliasmd.com > http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/18/2012 10:49:25
    1. Re: [BW] RAAB Index
    2. Mike Singer
    3. I am thankful that you are doing this look up for these people. Is this index an electronic file? Is there a place where someone else can access the list for research? Joseph George Raab b. 1832 Waibstadt, Baden-Württemberg, Germany d. 30 Jan 1871, Philadelphia Pennsylvania, USA I am looking for all related to this person. Mike Singer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marvin Hoerig Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BW] RAAB Index Peter et al, Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison at Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. Most records fall between these two extremes. I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and ancestor that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. Here are a few facts about these records: More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden Country of origin is usually listed Listed residences are not necessarily birth places Few records show a birth place Few records show an age Even fewer records show a birth date Spelling of names is often different than expected The majority of prisoners were male, but not all The majority were German, but not all Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all Year of incarceration is almost always listed Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted Marital status is seldom noted If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - the prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with the interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given name as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you can furnish, the easier my job will be. There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich or at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. Marvin Hoerig ------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 > > Peter Elias > > On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> Chuck >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Peter Elias > ************ > > http://petereliasmd.com > http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/18/2012 10:46:28
    1. [BW] Schrank/Schranck/Schrenk
    2. Jerrian
    3. Hi, Can anyone enlighten me as to a possible why, Schrenk (father's name), would be changed to Schrank (son's name), in the same location (Schwenningen), and later, in Schluchtern, be spelled Schranck in the church records? Thanks, Jerrian

    03/18/2012 08:35:46
    1. Re: [BW] Fwd: RAAB Index
    2. Marvin Hoerig
    3. Teri, There are dozens of Haas listings. No David nor anyone from Freistett. Sorry Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 8:27 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [BW] Fwd: RAAB Index > > Hello Marvin, > > I hope you are not over whelmed with all these requests, we certainly > appreciate your help. > > I am looking for a Haus / Haas family that fled prior to 1850. My > ancestor was a David Haus possibly (Johann David) I think they were from > Freistett. David joined an uncle when he got here to the states but I > Don't know > his first name. > > Any chance they are on your list? > thanks much, > > Teri > > > ____________________________________ > From: [email protected] > Reply-to: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: 3/17/2012 10:23:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time > Subj: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > > > David, > > I didn't find any of the spellings listed that you gave. Sorry. > > Marvin in WI > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Kemle" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:22 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > >> Hello Marvin: >> Could you please look up the names: >> Kiemle >> Kiemlen >> Kiemlin >> Kümlin >> Kemle >> I am curious to see if there are any of my relatives on the list. >> >> Hopefully this is not too much trouble. >> >> David Kemle >>>From Kent WA back to Mramorak, Yugoslavia. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Marvin Hoerig<mailto:[email protected]> >> To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:57 AM >> Subject: [BW] RAAB Index >> >> >> Peter et al, >> >> Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison > >> at >> Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. >> There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no > information >> about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is >> very >> disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical >> information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. >> Most records fall between these two extremes. >> >> I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people >> for >> years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some >> very >> rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and >> ancestor >> that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. >> >> Here are a few facts about these records: >> >> More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden >> Country of origin is usually listed >> Listed residences are not necessarily birth places >> Few records show a birth place >> Few records show an age >> Even fewer records show a birth date >> Spelling of names is often different than expected >> The majority of prisoners were male, but not all >> The majority were German, but not all >> Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all >> Year of incarceration is almost always listed >> Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted >> Marital status is seldom noted >> >> >> If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in > mind >> that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - >> the >> prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with > >> the >> interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. >> >> I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on > this >> list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If >> the >> surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given >> name >> as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have >> several spelling variations, include them also. The more information > you >> can furnish, the easier my job will be. >> >> There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it > rich >> or >> at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. >> >> Marvin Hoerig >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM >> To: >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index >> >> > >> > http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0<http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0> >> > >> > Peter Elias >> > >> > On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > Peter Elias >> > ************ >> > >> > http://petereliasmd.com<http://petereliasmd.com/> >> > http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/<http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body >> of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    03/18/2012 08:33:20
    1. Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 60
    2. Marvin Hoerig
    3. Russ, There are 4 Lipps but none from Sinsheim. Does your Lipp have a given name ? Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Russell Lipp" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:49 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 60 > Marvin, > > Most of my ancestors came from Sinsheim, Baden, and emigrated to America > in the late 1840s and 1859s. The surname is Lipp. Could look that surname > up in the RAAB index to see if any Lipp's were imprisoned? Thanks very > much. > > Russ Lipp >

    03/18/2012 08:21:38
    1. Re: [BW] RAAB Index
    2. Please can you check if there is HAMM from Baden. Thanks Norma Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: "Marvin Hoerig" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:57:00 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: [BW] RAAB Index Peter et al, Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison at Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. Most records fall between these two extremes. I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and ancestor that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. Here are a few facts about these records: More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden Country of origin is usually listed Listed residences are not necessarily birth places Few records show a birth place Few records show an age Even fewer records show a birth date Spelling of names is often different than expected The majority of prisoners were male, but not all The majority were German, but not all Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all Year of incarceration is almost always listed Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted Marital status is seldom noted If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - the prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with the interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given name as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you can furnish, the easier my job will be. There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich or at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. Marvin Hoerig ------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 > > Peter Elias > > On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> Chuck >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Peter Elias > ************ > > http://petereliasmd.com > http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/18/2012 08:20:34
    1. Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 60
    2. Marvin Hoerig
    3. Roberta, There are no listings for Schultze but there are 5 Schulzes and only one of those matches any your given names. He was hot too helpful in giving out his personal information. His record leaves much to be desired. He was: Name-- Schulze, Ferdinand Birth Place-- Record--30966 Number-- Name Variation-- Residence--Weite Profession-- Sex--m Nationality--D Age-- Year Held--1849 Country of Origin-- Region-- Revolutionary Army-- Militia-- Single-- Married-- Biography--Im August 1849 als politischer Gefangener in der Infanterie-Kaserne aufgeführt Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:30 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 60 > Dear Marvin, > > , Could you do a look-up for me, please. I'd like to check to see if my great great grand uncle, ALBERT FERDINAND LUDWIG SCHULTZE, was on the Raab list. Family lore has it that both he and my 2nd great grandfather, Wilhelm Ludwig Theodor Schultze, attended the University of Heidelberg. > > Thank you, > Roberta Schultze > San Jose, California > > Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on AT&T > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 60 > Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:20 pm > > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RAAB Index (Marvin Hoerig) > 2. Re: RAAB Index (David Kemle) > 3. Re: RAAB Index (BroJames) > 4. Re: RAAB Index (Dawn Webb) > 5. Re: RAAB Index (Marvin Hoerig) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:57:00 -0500 > From: "Marvin Hoerig" <[email protected]> > Subject: [BW] RAAB Index > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Peter et al, > > Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison at > Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. > There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information > about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very > disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical > information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. > Most records fall between these two extremes. > > I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for > years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very > rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and ancestor > that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. > > Here are a few facts about these records: > > More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden > Country of origin is usually listed > Listed residences are not necessarily birth places > Few records show a birth place > Few records show an age > Even fewer records show a birth date > Spelling of names is often different than expected > The majority of prisoners were male, but not all > The majority were German, but not all > Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all > Year of incarceration is almost always listed > Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted > Marital status is seldom noted > > > If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind > that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - the > prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with the > interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. > > I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this > list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the > surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given name > as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have > several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you > can furnish, the easier my job will be. > > There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich or > at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. > > Marvin Hoerig > > > ------------------------------------------------- > From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > >> http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 >> >> Peter Elias >> >> On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Peter Elias >> ************ >> >> http://petereliasmd.com >> http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:22:24 -0700 > From: "David Kemle" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Marvin: > Could you please look up the names: > Kiemle > Kiemlen > Kiemlin > K?mlin > Kemle > I am curious to see if there are any of my relatives on the list. > > Hopefully this is not too much trouble. > > David Kemle >>From Kent WA back to Mramorak, Yugoslavia. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marvin Hoerig<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:57 AM > Subject: [BW] RAAB Index > > > Peter et al, > > Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison at > Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. > There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information > about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very > disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical > information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. > Most records fall between these two extremes. > > I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for > years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very > rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and ancestor > that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. > > Here are a few facts about these records: > > More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden > Country of origin is usually listed > Listed residences are not necessarily birth places > Few records show a birth place > Few records show an age > Even fewer records show a birth date > Spelling of names is often different than expected > The majority of prisoners were male, but not all > The majority were German, but not all > Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all > Year of incarceration is almost always listed > Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted > Marital status is seldom noted > > > If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind > that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - the > prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with the > interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. > > I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this > list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the > surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given name > as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have > several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you > can furnish, the easier my job will be. > > There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich or > at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. > > Marvin Hoerig > > > ------------------------------------------------- > From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM > To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > > > http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0<http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0> > > > > Peter Elias > > > > On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> Chuck > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Peter Elias > > ************ > > > > http://petereliasmd.com<http://petereliasmd.com/> > > http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/<http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 12:00:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: BroJames <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Marvin, thanks for your generous offer. I have been searching for ANY > information on my Great-Grandfather, but have found nothing beyond his > immigration to the USA in 1867. > > Although he would have been too young, I think, he was born in 1841 or 1844 > (conflicting dates), perhaps his father would have been involved in the > revolution. I only have my GGF's given name, but no information on his father. > > Surname: > Schaefer > Schafer > Shaefer > Shafer > > For what it's worth my GGF given name was: Richard > > I've been down dead-ends before and this may be another, but I hold out hope. > Thank you again. > > James Schafer > SETexas, USA > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 9:57:00 AM > Subject: [BW] RAAB Index > > Peter et al, > > Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison at > Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. > There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information > about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very > disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical > information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. > Most records fall between these two extremes. > > I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for > years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very > rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and ancestor > that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. > > Here are a few facts about these records: > > More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden > Country of origin is usually listed > Listed residences are not necessarily birth places > Few records show a birth place > Few records show an age > Even fewer records show a birth date > Spelling of names is often different than expected > The majority of prisoners were male, but not all > The majority were German, but not all > Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all > Year of incarceration is almost always listed > Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted > Marital status is seldom noted > > > If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind > that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - the > prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with the > interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. > > I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this > list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the > surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given name > as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have > several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you > can furnish, the easier my job will be. > > There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich or > at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. > > Marvin Hoerig > > > ------------------------------------------------- > From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > >> http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 >> >> Peter Elias >> >> On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Peter Elias >> ************ >> >> http://petereliasmd.com >> http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 07:26:44 +1100 > From: "Dawn Webb" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello Marvin > > A VERY long shot! > > Surname BERNHARDT any spelling - in England, with him and descendants, it > has appeared as all of these - Burnhead, Bernhart, Bernharolt, Bernhard and > I shudder but once it came up as Bernard. > > Given names most likely some variant of Frederick, Freidrich etc - I always > "knew" him as Fred, but his first given name (presumably the saint's name > but seldom if ever used) was Johan or Johannes or... - in England, mostly > as John. Fred is used almost exclusively in England. > > I think he was born about 1830 but records are scarce. Possibly Wurttemburg > or something close to that word but.. and could be Prussia on one census. > Shocking writing in England! Story is, he was left on a childless farming > couple's doorstep as a babe and raised by them till near / young adulthood, > when he vanished off to England. But that is a family story, and may not be > exactly true. > > Fred's son Henry certainly knew how to be somewhat economical with the truth > and vary it slightly too! Henry married seven tiems so far found - 6 > bigamously and the first (legal?) time, he lied about his age. > > I have Fred in England, marrying, 1860 or VERY late 1859. Could be the > prison experience that made him leave Germany is my thought. > > Dawn (Melbourne Australia) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marvin Hoerig > Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 1:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BW] RAAB Index > > Peter et al, > > Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison at > Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. > There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information > about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very > disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical > information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. > Most records fall between these two extremes. > > I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for > years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very > rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and ancestor > that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. > > Here are a few facts about these records: > > More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden > Country of origin is usually listed > Listed residences are not necessarily birth places > Few records show a birth place > Few records show an age > Even fewer records show a birth date > Spelling of names is often different than expected > The majority of prisoners were male, but not all > The majority were German, but not all > Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all > Year of incarceration is almost always listed > Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted > Marital status is seldom noted > > > If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind > that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - the > prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with the > interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. > > I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this > list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the > surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given name > > as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have > several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you > can furnish, the easier my job will be. > > There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich or > at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. > > Marvin Hoerig > > > ------------------------------------------------- > From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > >> http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 >> >> Peter Elias >> >> On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Peter Elias >> ************ >> >> http://petereliasmd.com >> http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6975 (20120317) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6975 (20120317) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:20:25 -0500 > From: "Marvin Hoerig" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > David, > > I didn't find any of the spellings listed that you gave. Sorry. > > Marvin in WI > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Kemle" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:22 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > >> Hello Marvin: >> Could you please look up the names: >> Kiemle >> Kiemlen >> Kiemlin >> K?mlin >> Kemle >> I am curious to see if there are any of my relatives on the list. >> >> Hopefully this is not too much trouble. >> >> David Kemle >>>From Kent WA back to Mramorak, Yugoslavia. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Marvin Hoerig<mailto:[email protected]> >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:57 AM >> Subject: [BW] RAAB Index >> >> >> Peter et al, >> >> Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison >> at >> Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. >> There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information >> about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very >> disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical >> information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. >> Most records fall between these two extremes. >> >> I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for >> years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very >> rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and >> ancestor >> that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. >> >> Here are a few facts about these records: >> >> More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden >> Country of origin is usually listed >> Listed residences are not necessarily birth places >> Few records show a birth place >> Few records show an age >> Even fewer records show a birth date >> Spelling of names is often different than expected >> The majority of prisoners were male, but not all >> The majority were German, but not all >> Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all >> Year of incarceration is almost always listed >> Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted >> Marital status is seldom noted >> >> >> If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind >> that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - >> the >> prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with >> the >> interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. >> >> I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this >> list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the >> surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given >> name >> as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have >> several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you >> can furnish, the easier my job will be. >> >> There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich >> or >> at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. >> >> Marvin Hoerig >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM >> To: >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index >> >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0<http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0> >> > >> > Peter Elias >> > >> > On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > Peter Elias >> > ************ >> > >> > http://petereliasmd.com<http://petereliasmd.com/> >> > http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/<http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BADEN-WURTTEMBERG list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > >To post a message to the BADEN-WURTTEMBERG mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 60 > ************************************************ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/18/2012 08:03:46
    1. Re: [BW] RAAB Index
    2. Marvin Hoerig
    3. Stuart, There are 3 Bechmanns on the list. Two were from Rotenfels - Both were Robert with no way on knowing if they were related. I expect they were. They were: Name--Bechmann, Robert Birth Place-- Record--1603 Number--2045 Name Variation-- Residence--Rotenfels Profession-- Sex--m Nationality--D Age-- Year Held--1849 Country of Origin--Baden Region--Rastatt Revolutionary Army--Yes Militia--Yes Single--Yes Married--no Biography--Wehrmann des 1. Aufgebots von Rotenfels, ab 29. Juli 1849 als Gefangener im Rastatter Fort B aufgeführt Name--Bechmann, Robert Birth Place-- Record--1604 Number--2046 Name Variation-- Residence--Rotenfels Profession--Militär Soldat Sex--m Nationality--D Age--22 Year Held--1849 Country of Origin--Baden Region--Rastatt Revolutionary Army--Yes Militia--No Single--No Married--No Biography--Soldat der Pionier-Kompanie der Artillerie, ab 29. Juli 1849 als Gefangener im Rastatter Fort A aufgeführt (49 / 2410*: 3). Steckbrief vom Mai 1851 (GAMK, 1851, S. 201, 325). I suspect that "Single--No" and "Married--No" was a typo, but it's not mine! There are also 16 Bachmanns on the list - - but none of those were from Rotenfels. . Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stuart Bechman" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:02 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > Marvin, > Could you check the list for any Bechmann's? > My family line in Rotenfels, Rastatt, Baden seems to end about 1830-1840. > I have > often wondered if they got caught up in the 1848 revolution. > Do you know what happened to the prisoners, were they executed or held for > life? > Thank you, > Stuart B >

    03/18/2012 07:36:58
    1. Re: [BW] Lipp entries
    2. BroJames
    3. Hi Jon, Do you by chance have any Schäfer, Schaefer, Schafer, Shafer on the list you have? I'm interested in doing follow up on any/all of these. Thanks, James Schafer SETexas, USA ________________________________ From: jonbar <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 18, 2012 1:13:05 PM Subject: [BW] Lipp entries Hello Russ, I can send you entries from the Grossherzoglich Badisches Anzeigeblatt for - Heinrich Lipp whose was wanted or was having his wanted notice withdrawn in 1849 Heinrich Carl Lipp from Sinsheim born 1824 who did not report for military duty in 1849 (Page 54) and Johann Adam Lipp from Sinsheim born 1825 who did not report for military duty in 1849 (page 55) Jon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/18/2012 06:43:14
    1. Re: [BW] RAAB Index
    2. BroJames
    3. Marvin, How would I go about getting a list of the Schäfer's you mentioned. I'm interested in doing follow up on any/all of them Thanks again, James Schafer SETexas USA ________________________________ From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 9:34:31 PM Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index James, The only spelling I found from your list was Schäfer but there was no Richard. Sorry Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "BroJames" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 2:00 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > Marvin, thanks for your generous offer. I have been searching for ANY > information on my Great-Grandfather, but have found nothing beyond his > immigration to the USA in 1867. > > Although he would have been too young, I think, he was born in 1841 or > 1844 > (conflicting dates), perhaps his father would have been involved in the > revolution. I only have my GGF's given name, but no information on his > father. > > Surname: > Schaefer > Schafer > Shaefer > Shafer > > For what it's worth my GGF given name was: Richard > > I've been down dead-ends before and this may be another, but I hold out > hope. > Thank you again. > > James Schafer > SETexas, USA > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 9:57:00 AM > Subject: [BW] RAAB Index > > Peter et al, > > Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison at > Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. > There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information > about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very > disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical > information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. > Most records fall between these two extremes. > > I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for > years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very > rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and ancestor > that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. > > Here are a few facts about these records: > > More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden > Country of origin is usually listed > Listed residences are not necessarily birth places > Few records show a birth place > Few records show an age > Even fewer records show a birth date > Spelling of names is often different than expected > The majority of prisoners were male, but not all > The majority were German, but not all > Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all > Year of incarceration is almost always listed > Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted > Marital status is seldom noted > > > If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind > that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - the > prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with > the > interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. > > I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this > list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the > surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given > name > as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have > several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you > can furnish, the easier my job will be. > > There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich > or > at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. > > Marvin Hoerig > > > ------------------------------------------------- > From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > >> http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 >> >> Peter Elias >> >> On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Peter Elias >> ************ >> >> http://petereliasmd.com >> http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/18/2012 06:39:48
    1. Re: [BW] RAAB Index
    2. Marlene Graban
    3. Marvin I am looking for inforamtion on a Louis Geringer (or Gehringer, Gerringer).  All I know is he was from Baden but I don't know where in Baden. I found him and his sister in the 1850 US census living with another German family in Ohio and he was 16 or 17 at that time.  Don't know when he came to the US.   Marlene ________________________________ From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> To: Stuart Bechman <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index Stuart, There are 3 Bechmanns on the list.  Two were from Rotenfels - Both were Robert with no way on knowing if they were related.  I expect they were. They were:                           Name--Bechmann, Robert                   Birth Place--                         Record--1603                       Number--2045           Name Variation--                   Residence--Rotenfels                   Profession--                             Sex--m                 Nationality--D                           Age--                   Year Held--1849       Country of Origin--Baden                       Region--Rastatt   Revolutionary Army--Yes                         Militia--Yes                         Single--Yes                       Married--no                   Biography--Wehrmann des 1. Aufgebots von Rotenfels, ab 29.                                     Juli 1849 als Gefangener im Rastatter                                     Fort B aufgeführt                           Name--Bechmann, Robert                   Birth Place--                       Record--1604                       Number--2046           Name Variation--                   Residence--Rotenfels                   Profession--Militär Soldat                             Sex--m                 Nationality--D                             Age--22                   Year Held--1849       Country of Origin--Baden                       Region--Rastatt   Revolutionary Army--Yes                         Militia--No                         Single--No                     Married--No                   Biography--Soldat der Pionier-Kompanie der Artillerie, ab                                     29. Juli 1849 als Gefangener im                                     Rastatter Fort A                                     aufgeführt (49 / 2410*: 3). Steckbrief                                     vom  Mai 1851 (GAMK, 1851, S. 201, 325). I suspect that "Single--No" and "Married--No" was a typo, but it's not mine! There are also 16 Bachmanns on the list - - but none of those were from Rotenfels.  . Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stuart Bechman" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:02 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > Marvin, > Could you check the list for any Bechmann's? > My family line in Rotenfels, Rastatt, Baden seems to end about 1830-1840. > I have > often wondered if they got caught up in the 1848 revolution. > Do you know what happened to the prisoners, were they executed or held for > life? > Thank you, > Stuart B > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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