People who are hunting help for their brick walls should not have to lose this resource which is helpful to many on just one surname. The complainers have ways to not go through all the posts if they choose not to, I was thrilled at the chance to maybe discover a clue. Now that chance is gone and it's not right. Please reconsider. [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> To: baden-wurttemberg <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:19 am Subject: [BW] RAAB Index Hello List, I have been requested to take the prisoner look-ups off list. Apparently, e have offended some people by cluttering the list with this ongoing hread. In the past I received requests for look-ups on both the list and y private email. This time, I neglected to include my private email in ffering to do look-ups. My bad - - I apologize. I think the BW list is one of the finest lists I have seen and would not ant o offend anyone; least of all our administrators who do such a fine job. nfortunately, I thought that getting surnames out in the open would afford ore opportunities to connect with long lost relatives. Perhaps, even knock own a brick wall or two and find that elusive, "Place of Birth" for an ncestor. e will loose those opportunities with all our surnames hidden away in rivate email boxes. That's sad ! So, in the future, I will continue to do look-ups for anyone that sends me a urname, BUT, only if they are sent to my private email. I will not respond o any requests for look-ups sent to the BW list, either past , present, or uture. If haven't answered your request as yet, please re-send it again to: [email protected] As before, the best requests have a single surname with several spelling ariations, a given name, and any other information that may make the search asier. To the list administrators; if you find that the BW list is falling asleep, et me know and I'll be glad to liven it up again. To the complainers; I apologize to you but suggest you invest in a delete ey. Marvin Hoerig ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Jim and Marvin, I totally agree that Rootsweb lists were created to share information. There is nothing like the ability to do "look ups" for members to inspire further research. I get very tired of restrictions placed on listers when there is actual study taking place. After all, some of us remember when these lists were always active. This list is better than most lately. I fault all of the "limit setting" for driving participants away. Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Jim Herter <[email protected]> To: baden-wurttemberg <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:36 am Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index I have no problem with the discussion. I thought that 'is' what lists are all about. It's not like the discussion was about sauerkraut! I saw the post by Bill Herder and went searching through my 'Herter' records to see if I could assist as a result. I would not have done that if I wasn't privy to the overall discussions.Create a filter to put these e-mails into their own box and use the multiple delete function or delete all if they bother you. Jim HerterLonesome Oak Business Development Group(269) 414-2230http://jherter.wordpress.com/________________________________From : Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]>To: [email protected]: Mon, March 19, 2012 10:18:45 AMSubject: [BW] RAAB IndexHello List,I have been requested to take the prisoner look-ups off list. Apparently,we have offended some people by cluttering the list with this ongoingthread. In the past I received requests for look-ups on both the list andmy private email. This time, I neglected to include my private email inoffering to do look-ups. My bad - - I apologize.I think the BW list is one of the finest lists I have seen and would not wantto offend anyone; least of all our administrators who do such a fine job.Unfortunately, I thought that getting surnames out in the open would affordmore opportunities to connect with long lost relatives. Perhaps, even knockdown a brick wall or two and find that elusive, "Place of Birth" for an ancestor.We will loose those opportunities with all our surnames hidden away inprivate email boxes. That's sad !So, in the future, I will continue to do look-ups for anyone that sends me asurname, BUT, only if they are sent to my private email. I will not respondto any requests for look-ups sent to the BW list, either past , present, or future. IfI haven't answered your request as yet, please re-send it again to: [email protected] before, the best requests have a single surname with several spellingvariations, a given name, and any other information that may make the searcheasier.To the list administrators; if you find that the BW list is falling asleep,let me know and I'll be glad to liven it up again.To the complainers; I apologize to you but suggest you invest in a deletekey.Marvin Hoerig-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well said and I agree. This is really sad.   Barbara Barbara Coakley [email protected] ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, March 19, 2012 10:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index People who are hunting help for their brick walls should not have to lose this resource which is helpful to many on just one surname.  The complainers have ways to not go through all the posts if they choose not to, I was thrilled at the chance to maybe discover a clue. Now that chance is gone and it's not right.  Please reconsider. [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> To: baden-wurttemberg <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:19 am Subject: [BW] RAAB Index Hello List, I have been requested to take the prisoner look-ups off list.  Apparently, e have offended some people by cluttering the list with this ongoing hread.  In the past I received requests for look-ups on both the list and y private email.  This time, I neglected to include my private email in ffering to do look-ups.  My bad - - I apologize. I think the BW list is one of the finest lists I have seen and would not ant o offend anyone;  least of all our administrators who do such a fine job. nfortunately, I thought that getting surnames out in the open would afford ore opportunities to connect with long lost relatives.  Perhaps, even knock own a brick wall or two and find that elusive, "Place of Birth" for an ncestor. e will loose those opportunities with all our surnames hidden away in rivate email boxes.  That's sad ! So, in the future, I will continue to do look-ups for anyone that sends me a urname, BUT, only if they are sent to my private email.  I will not respond o any requests for look-ups sent to the BW list, either past , present, or uture.  If haven't answered your request as yet, please re-send it again to:                         [email protected] As before, the best requests have a single surname with several spelling ariations, a given name, and any other information that may make the search asier. To the list administrators;  if you find that the BW list is falling asleep, et me know and I'll be glad to liven it up again. To the complainers;  I apologize to you but suggest you invest in a delete ey. Marvin Hoerig ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well this is an unfortunate turn of events. I was enjoying reading all the requests. I thought this was the reason that it was always emphasized to kept the subject line on target - so people who weren't interested could go down the list of incoming mail and delete, delete, delete. So now the rest of us get cheated out of the show that's playing behind closed doors? I'd like to thank Marvin for the service he so selflessly provides - for free, I might add, and respectfully ask the administrators to re-evaluate the policy. If all the requests and responses bother people, they can always unsubscribe for a week or so, and use the archives to see if they missed anything of import. But this policy means that none of us have any recourse to see what we are missing. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Hoerig" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:18 AM Subject: [BW] RAAB Index > > > Hello List, > > I have been requested to take the prisoner look-ups off list. Apparently, > we have offended some people by cluttering the list with this ongoing > thread. In the past I received requests for look-ups on both the list and > my private email. This time, I neglected to include my private email in > offering to do look-ups. My bad - - I apologize. > > I think the BW list is one of the finest lists I have seen and would not > want > to offend anyone; least of all our administrators who do such a fine job. > Unfortunately, I thought that getting surnames out in the open would > afford > more opportunities to connect with long lost relatives. Perhaps, even > knock > down a brick wall or two and find that elusive, "Place of Birth" for an > ancestor. > We will loose those opportunities with all our surnames hidden away in > private email boxes. That's sad ! > > So, in the future, I will continue to do look-ups for anyone that sends me > a > surname, BUT, only if they are sent to my private email. I will not > respond > to any requests for look-ups sent to the BW list, either past , present, > or > future. If > I haven't answered your request as yet, please re-send it again to: > > [email protected] > > As before, the best requests have a single surname with several spelling > variations, a given name, and any other information that may make the > search > easier. > > To the list administrators; if you find that the BW list is falling > asleep, > let me know and I'll be glad to liven it up again. > > To the complainers; I apologize to you but suggest you invest in a delete > key. > > Marvin Hoerig > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James, I can handle the deluge as long as folks are patient with me. Some of our fellow listers complained to the administrators and I was asked to cease the look-ups on the BW list and go private. I am saddened but I will comply. This is still one of the best maintained lists on the web. I don't see this will make it a better but then, who am I - - - ? I really don't know why anyone would object to seeing all kinds of surnames listed. It seems to me that hiding them in private email boxes is terribly sad. Opportunities to find information will be lost. Only two people will gain from taking these look-ups off list; the person making the request and myself. Marvin Hoerig -------------------------------------------------- From: "BroJames" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:44 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [BW] Fw: RAAB Index > Thanks Marvin, is your decision because there are too many listed? Just > curious. > > > Thanks again for all your help to the members of the list. > > > James Schafer > SETexas, USA > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, March 18, 2012 10:33:07 PM > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > > James, > > That would be a chore I'd rather not tackle. > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "BroJames" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:39 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > >> Marvin, >> >> How would I go about getting a list of the Schäfer's you mentioned. I'm >> interested in doing follow up on any/all of them >> >> Thanks again, >> >> James Schafer >> SETexas USA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 9:34:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index >> >> James, >> >> The only spelling I found from your list was Schäfer but there was no >> Richard. Sorry >> >> Marvin Hoerig in WI >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "BroJames" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 2:00 PM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index >> >>> Marvin, thanks for your generous offer. I have been searching for ANY >>> information on my Great-Grandfather, but have found nothing beyond his >>> immigration to the USA in 1867. >>> >>> Although he would have been too young, I think, he was born in 1841 or >>> 1844 >>> (conflicting dates), perhaps his father would have been involved in the >>> revolution. I only have my GGF's given name, but no information on his >>> father. >>> >>> Surname: >>> Schaefer >>> Schafer >>> Shaefer >>> Shafer >>> >>> For what it's worth my GGF given name was: Richard >>> >>> I've been down dead-ends before and this may be another, but I hold out >>> hope. >>> Thank you again. >>> >>> James Schafer >>> SETexas, USA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 9:57:00 AM >>> Subject: [BW] RAAB Index >>> >>> Peter et al, >>> >>> Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison >>> at >>> Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. >>> There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no >>> information >>> about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very >>> disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical >>> information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. >>> Most records fall between these two extremes. >>> >>> I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for >>> years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very >>> rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and >>> ancestor >>> that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. >>> >>> Here are a few facts about these records: >>> >>> More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden >>> Country of origin is usually listed >>> Listed residences are not necessarily birth places >>> Few records show a birth place >>> Few records show an age >>> Even fewer records show a birth date >>> Spelling of names is often different than expected >>> The majority of prisoners were male, but not all >>> The majority were German, but not all >>> Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all >>> Year of incarceration is almost always listed >>> Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted >>> Marital status is seldom noted >>> >>> >>> If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in >>> mind >>> that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - >>> the >>> prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with >>> the >>> interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. >>> >>> I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on >>> this >>> list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the >>> surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given >>> name >>> as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have >>> several spelling variations, include them also. The more information >>> you >>> can furnish, the easier my job will be. >>> >>> There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich >>> or >>> at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. >>> >>> Marvin Hoerig >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index >>> >>>> http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 >>>> >>>> Peter Elias >>>> >>>> On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> Peter Elias >>>> ************ >>>> >>>> http://petereliasmd.com >>>> http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks! C > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:32:17 -0500 > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > > Craig, > > There are none listed. Sorry. > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Craig Gauger" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:01 PM > To: "B-W Roots Web" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > > > > > Marvin, Are there any GAUGERs listed? Danke sehr. Craig > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is quite sad, and I, too, would hate to see the discoveries moved off-site. However, I can also sympathize with those who are having to download and read through emails where 90+% of it is a copy of prior threads. (The lines that begin with '> '). This has nothing to do with deleting emails, it is something that's embedded WITHIN the emails. It is gracious email etiquette on lists like this to clip off the excess thread and include only the parts germaine to the immediate discussion. (See <snip> example below.) Thanks, Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> To: baden-wurttemberg <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:19 am Subject: [BW] RAAB Index > Hello List, > I have been requested to take the prisoner look-ups off list. Apparently, > I have offended some people by cluttering the list with this ongoing thread. <snip> > To the complainers; I apologize to you but suggest you invest in a delete key. > Marvin Hoerig

Coulf you please look for Debano and Portrey. Thanks

Hi Marvin, Any Hasenstab on the list form Sinsheim? Thanks, Chris Hassenstab

Hello List, I have been requested to take the prisoner look-ups off list. Apparently, we have offended some people by cluttering the list with this ongoing thread. In the past I received requests for look-ups on both the list and my private email. This time, I neglected to include my private email in offering to do look-ups. My bad - - I apologize. I think the BW list is one of the finest lists I have seen and would not want to offend anyone; least of all our administrators who do such a fine job. Unfortunately, I thought that getting surnames out in the open would afford more opportunities to connect with long lost relatives. Perhaps, even knock down a brick wall or two and find that elusive, "Place of Birth" for an ancestor. We will loose those opportunities with all our surnames hidden away in private email boxes. That's sad ! So, in the future, I will continue to do look-ups for anyone that sends me a surname, BUT, only if they are sent to my private email. I will not respond to any requests for look-ups sent to the BW list, either past , present, or future. If I haven't answered your request as yet, please re-send it again to: [email protected] As before, the best requests have a single surname with several spelling variations, a given name, and any other information that may make the search easier. To the list administrators; if you find that the BW list is falling asleep, let me know and I'll be glad to liven it up again. To the complainers; I apologize to you but suggest you invest in a delete key. Marvin Hoerig

I agree with everyone's positive post regarding the great contribution Marvin has made to this list. It was exciting to go to my Genealogy folder and see all the responses. One of the benefits of the Delete button is if I see a Subject line I have no interest in I can just punch it and the post goes away. No big deal!!! Have you ever noticed how much the Minorities control the Majorities. There probably was only one or maybe two negative people who complained. 'Nuff said!! James Schafer SETexas, USA ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, March 19, 2012 10:49:38 AM Subject: Re: [BW] Fw: RAAB Index That is the shame of it Marvin, many of us are losing a great opportunity and it isn't how it should be. There has to be a better way, the complainers have other ways to avoid so many posts if they don't want them, I was having a great time hunting clues, though none of the surnames are mine, there could a reference to one of mine. [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> To: BADEN-WURTTEMBERG <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Mar 19, 2012 11:44 am Subject: Re: [BW] Fw: RAAB Index James, I can handle the deluge as long as folks are patient with me. Some of our ellow listers complained to the administrators and I was asked to cease the ook-ups on the BW list and go private. I am saddened but I will comply. his is still one of the best maintained lists on the web. I don't see this ill make it a better but then, who am I - - - ? I really don't know why anyone would object to seeing all kinds of surnames isted. It seems to me that hiding them in private email boxes is terribly ad. Opportunities to find information will be lost. Only two people will ain from taking these look-ups off list; the person making the request and yself. Marvin Hoerig -------------------------------------------------- rom: "BroJames" <[email protected]> ent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:44 AM o: <[email protected]> ubject: [BW] Fw: RAAB Index > Thanks Marvin, is your decision because there are too many listed? Just curious. Thanks again for all your help to the members of the list. James Schafer SETexas, USA ________________________________ From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 18, 2012 10:33:07 PM Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index James, That would be a chore I'd rather not tackle. Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "BroJames" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:39 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > Marvin, > > How would I go about getting a list of the Schäfer's you mentioned. I'm > interested in doing follow up on any/all of them > > Thanks again, > > James Schafer > SETexas USA > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 9:34:31 PM > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > > James, > > The only spelling I found from your list was Schäfer but there was no > Richard. Sorry > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "BroJames" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 2:00 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > >> Marvin, thanks for your generous offer. I have been searching for ANY >> information on my Great-Grandfather, but have found nothing beyond his >> immigration to the USA in 1867. >> >> Although he would have been too young, I think, he was born in 1841 or >> 1844 >> (conflicting dates), perhaps his father would have been involved in the >> revolution. I only have my GGF's given name, but no information on his >> father. >> >> Surname: >> Schaefer >> Schafer >> Shaefer >> Shafer >> >> For what it's worth my GGF given name was: Richard >> >> I've been down dead-ends before and this may be another, but I hold out >> hope. >> Thank you again. >> >> James Schafer >> SETexas, USA >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 9:57:00 AM >> Subject: [BW] RAAB Index >> >> Peter et al, >> >> Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison >> at >> Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. >> There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no >> information >> about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very >> disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical >> information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. >> Most records fall between these two extremes. >> >> I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for >> years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very >> rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and >> ancestor >> that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. >> >> Here are a few facts about these records: >> >> More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden >> Country of origin is usually listed >> Listed residences are not necessarily birth places >> Few records show a birth place >> Few records show an age >> Even fewer records show a birth date >> Spelling of names is often different than expected >> The majority of prisoners were male, but not all >> The majority were German, but not all >> Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all >> Year of incarceration is almost always listed >> Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted >> Marital status is seldom noted >> >> >> If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in >> mind >> that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - >> the >> prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with >> the >> interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. >> >> I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on >> this >> list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the >> surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given >> name >> as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have >> several spelling variations, include them also. The more information >> you >> can furnish, the easier my job will be. >> >> There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich >> or >> at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. >> >> Marvin Hoerig >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index >> >>> http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 >>> >>> Peter Elias >>> >>> On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> Peter Elias >>> ************ >>> >>> http://petereliasmd.com >>> http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marvin, Are there any Egenriether on the list? Thanks, Barb -----Original Message----- From: Marvin Hoerig Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BW] RAAB Index Peter et al, Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison at Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. Most records fall between these two extremes. I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and ancestor that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. Here are a few facts about these records: More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden Country of origin is usually listed Listed residences are not necessarily birth places Few records show a birth place Few records show an age Even fewer records show a birth date Spelling of names is often different than expected The majority of prisoners were male, but not all The majority were German, but not all Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all Year of incarceration is almost always listed Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted Marital status is seldom noted If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - the prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with the interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given name as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you can furnish, the easier my job will be. There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich or at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. Marvin Hoerig ------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 > > Peter Elias > > On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> Chuck >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Peter Elias > ************ > > http://petereliasmd.com > http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My primary ancestor was named Johann Adam Lipp. There were many other Lipp's from Sinsheim, Baden. Thanks for your reply. Russ Lipp Sent from my iPad On Mar 18, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "Marvin Hoerig" <[email protected]> wrote: > Russ, > > There are 4 Lipps but none from Sinsheim. Does your Lipp have a given name > ? > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Russell Lipp" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:49 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 60 > >> Marvin, >> >> Most of my ancestors came from Sinsheim, Baden, and emigrated to America >> in the late 1840s and 1859s. The surname is Lipp. Could look that surname >> up in the RAAB index to see if any Lipp's were imprisoned? Thanks very >> much. >> >> Russ Lipp >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are there any Schrenier in the index? My ancestors emigrated in 1849 from Diersheim, Baden, Germany. The oldest son arrived in 1850 or 1854 Barbara Bower

Chris, My relatives also came from Sinsheim, Baden. I was wondering if you have any other information about the town or that area that you might be willing to share? You can send anything to my personal email : [email protected] Thank you, Nancy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Hassenstab Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BW] Hasenstab from Sinsheim Hi Marvin, Any Hasenstab on the list form Sinsheim? Thanks, Chris Hassenstab ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am searching for Deininger? This family married into my Kurtz family from Ottmarsheim. Thank you for your time. Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Ellen Schmand <[email protected]> To: baden-wurttemberg <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:18 am Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index Are the Wentz/Wenz or Weickum/Weikum on the list?Ellen -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' withoutthe quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I follow this list with great passion and interest. I've learned a lot about how to conduct research and find things I wouldn't normally be able to identify. I second Ellen's comments ... Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ellen Schmand Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index What a shame. I cannot believe this would offend anyone who is looking for ancestors. I gain information on all sorts of items, even if they are not directly related to my research. Isn't this or other types of threads what the lists are all about? Or am I confused...... Ellen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marvin Hoerig Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BW] RAAB Index Hello List, I have been requested to take the prisoner look-ups off list. Apparently, we have offended some people by cluttering the list with this ongoing thread. In the past I received requests for look-ups on both the list and my private email. This time, I neglected to include my private email in offering to do look-ups. My bad - - I apologize. I think the BW list is one of the finest lists I have seen and would not want to offend anyone; least of all our administrators who do such a fine job. Unfortunately, I thought that getting surnames out in the open would afford more opportunities to connect with long lost relatives. Perhaps, even knock down a brick wall or two and find that elusive, "Place of Birth" for an ancestor. We will loose those opportunities with all our surnames hidden away in private email boxes. That's sad ! So, in the future, I will continue to do look-ups for anyone that sends me a surname, BUT, only if they are sent to my private email. I will not respond to any requests for look-ups sent to the BW list, either past , present, or future. If I haven't answered your request as yet, please re-send it again to: [email protected] As before, the best requests have a single surname with several spelling variations, a given name, and any other information that may make the search easier. To the list administrators; if you find that the BW list is falling asleep, let me know and I'll be glad to liven it up again. To the complainers; I apologize to you but suggest you invest in a delete key. Marvin Hoerig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This message and any attached documents contain information from QLogic Corporation or its wholly-owned subsidiaries that may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute, or use this information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message.

What a shame. I cannot believe this would offend anyone who is looking for ancestors. I gain information on all sorts of items, even if they are not directly related to my research. Isn't this or other types of threads what the lists are all about? Or am I confused...... Ellen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marvin Hoerig Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BW] RAAB Index Hello List, I have been requested to take the prisoner look-ups off list. Apparently, we have offended some people by cluttering the list with this ongoing thread. In the past I received requests for look-ups on both the list and my private email. This time, I neglected to include my private email in offering to do look-ups. My bad - - I apologize. I think the BW list is one of the finest lists I have seen and would not want to offend anyone; least of all our administrators who do such a fine job. Unfortunately, I thought that getting surnames out in the open would afford more opportunities to connect with long lost relatives. Perhaps, even knock down a brick wall or two and find that elusive, "Place of Birth" for an ancestor. We will loose those opportunities with all our surnames hidden away in private email boxes. That's sad ! So, in the future, I will continue to do look-ups for anyone that sends me a surname, BUT, only if they are sent to my private email. I will not respond to any requests for look-ups sent to the BW list, either past , present, or future. If I haven't answered your request as yet, please re-send it again to: [email protected] As before, the best requests have a single surname with several spelling variations, a given name, and any other information that may make the search easier. To the list administrators; if you find that the BW list is falling asleep, let me know and I'll be glad to liven it up again. To the complainers; I apologize to you but suggest you invest in a delete key. Marvin Hoerig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Helen.   I think the purpose of the list is to generate discussion and interest and educate people on what resources are out there.   What Marvin has offered to do is generous...it is time consuming and a labor of love.   I hope the list admins reconsider this ill advised decision.  If someone wants to opt out of the emails just ask them to set their preference to batch instead of individual emails.  Rootsweb allows for that.    Why penalize the entire list?  There seems to be a lot of people who were enjoying this thread.  And it is relevant to the topic of the list.    Laura >________________________________ > From: Helen <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:50 AM >Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > >Well this is an unfortunate turn of events. I was enjoying reading all the >requests. I thought this was the reason that it was always emphasized to >kept the subject line on target - so people who weren't interested could go >down the list of incoming mail and delete, delete, delete. So now the rest >of us get cheated out of the show that's playing behind closed doors? > >I'd like to thank Marvin for the service he so selflessly provides - for >free, I might add, and respectfully ask the administrators to re-evaluate >the policy. If all the requests and responses bother people, they can always >unsubscribe for a week or so, and use the archives to see if they missed >anything of import. But this policy means that none of us have any recourse >to see what we are missing. > >Helen > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marvin Hoerig" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:18 AM >Subject: [BW] RAAB Index > > >> >> >> Hello List, >> >> I have been requested to take the prisoner look-ups off list.  Apparently, >> we have offended some people by cluttering the list with this ongoing >> thread.  In the past I received requests for look-ups on both the list and >> my private email.  This time, I neglected to include my private email in >> offering to do look-ups.  My bad - - I apologize. >> >> I think the BW list is one of the finest lists I have seen and would not >> want >> to offend anyone;  least of all our administrators who do such a fine job. >> Unfortunately, I thought that getting surnames out in the open would >> afford >> more opportunities to connect with long lost relatives.  Perhaps, even >> knock >> down a brick wall or two and find that elusive, "Place of Birth" for an >> ancestor. >> We will loose those opportunities with all our surnames hidden away in >> private email boxes.  That's sad ! >> >> So, in the future, I will continue to do look-ups for anyone that sends me >> a >> surname, BUT, only if they are sent to my private email.  I will not >> respond >> to any requests for look-ups sent to the BW list, either past , present, >> or >> future.  If >> I haven't answered your request as yet, please re-send it again to: >> >>                        [email protected] >> >> As before, the best requests have a single surname with several spelling >> variations, a given name, and any other information that may make the >> search >> easier. >> >> To the list administrators;  if you find that the BW list is falling >> asleep, >> let me know and I'll be glad to liven it up again. >> >> To the complainers;  I apologize to you but suggest you invest in a delete >> key. >> >> Marvin Hoerig >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I have no problem with the discussion. I thought that 'is' what lists are all about. It's not like the discussion was about sauerkraut! I saw the post by Bill Herder and went searching through my 'Herter' records to see if I could assist as a result. I would not have done that if I wasn't privy to the overall discussions. Create a filter to put these e-mails into their own box and use the multiple delete function or delete all if they bother you. Jim Herter Lonesome Oak Business Development Group (269) 414-2230 http://jherter.wordpress.com/ ________________________________ From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, March 19, 2012 10:18:45 AM Subject: [BW] RAAB Index Hello List, I have been requested to take the prisoner look-ups off list. Apparently, we have offended some people by cluttering the list with this ongoing thread. In the past I received requests for look-ups on both the list and my private email. This time, I neglected to include my private email in offering to do look-ups. My bad - - I apologize. I think the BW list is one of the finest lists I have seen and would not want to offend anyone; least of all our administrators who do such a fine job. Unfortunately, I thought that getting surnames out in the open would afford more opportunities to connect with long lost relatives. Perhaps, even knock down a brick wall or two and find that elusive, "Place of Birth" for an ancestor. We will loose those opportunities with all our surnames hidden away in private email boxes. That's sad ! So, in the future, I will continue to do look-ups for anyone that sends me a surname, BUT, only if they are sent to my private email. I will not respond to any requests for look-ups sent to the BW list, either past , present, or future. If I haven't answered your request as yet, please re-send it again to: [email protected] As before, the best requests have a single surname with several spelling variations, a given name, and any other information that may make the search easier. To the list administrators; if you find that the BW list is falling asleep, let me know and I'll be glad to liven it up again. To the complainers; I apologize to you but suggest you invest in a delete key. Marvin Hoerig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message